Comparing next week's PS3 and Wii launches
Chris Morris over at CNN/Money explores availability, mass advertising, limited launch titles, and PS3 vs. Wii predictions as the two consoles prepare for launch next week in the US. While Sony's extremely limited number of PS3 launch units is known (400k), Nintendo's exact November 19 numbers are unknown. THQ president Brian Farrel predicts Ninty will have between 600,000 to 800,000 units available on launch day, "enough to keep the flow coming." The article expects Wii restocking to happen before Black Friday but has no idea when a PS3 restock will hit because Sony isn't sharing much information at the moment.Regarding a lack of mass advertising, Morris and Nintendo President Reggie Fils-Aime remind us that launches are all for hard-cores who don't need company sponsored promotions. "The advertising and marketing is for casual gamers. We want to get them excited when they can actually go out and get something, so we'll start next week," said Fils-Aime.
The column also touches on the question that "doesn't matter, but everyone likes to talk about:" Who's going to win? The prediction? No definitive manufacturer winner in terms of market share. Only gamers win as the playing field is expected to be a lot more even this time.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
tracked @ Nov 10th 2006 6:19PM
I hope Nintendo sells out and PS3 sells really slowly. I also hope that Wii breaks the PS2 record.
rom @ Nov 10th 2006 6:20PM
Just got my issue of OPM today. Resistance got a 9 out of 10. They called it a very competent fps. Since it is an all sony mag, I don't know if the launch excitement clouded to their jugement or not. Seems like a good game though.
D AVERAGE @ Nov 10th 2006 6:37PM
1. I hope Nintendo sells out and PS3 sells really slowly. I also hope that Wii breaks the PS2 record..............................D AVERAGE SAYS U MUST HAVE LOST YOUR MIND WE ALL know nintendo will do 22 mill or less because its still nintendo i dont care about the litle gimmikey controller and we all know for a fact it wont beat ps3 in the end ....another gamecube just gonna lose support eventually
terry @ Nov 10th 2006 6:50PM
d average is a fucktard.
velocitystrike @ Nov 10th 2006 6:50PM
I reckon Ninty'll have more than 800,000 consoles on launch day.
??? @ Nov 10th 2006 6:58PM
Since I have the 360 and other consoles; I'd be happy just to get ONE world beater game apiece-Wii[Zelda] and PS2[Resistance]-super stuff!
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 6:59PM
- Terry,
As much as you don't like it, the fact is the Wii is nothing more than a Gamecube with a gimmick, and we all know how well the Gamecube did...
lets just put the gun down and we go get me those fries @ Nov 10th 2006 7:00PM
1. I hope Nintendo sells out and PS3 sells really slowly. I also hope that Wii breaks the PS2 record.
Posted at 6:18PM on Nov 10th 2006 by tracked 0 stars
why because your a hater, or it is because you are a purist pussy?
??? @ Nov 10th 2006 7:00PM
Woops, that's PS3[Resistance]
DiahrreaMan @ Nov 10th 2006 7:04PM
*sigh* The fanboys are unleashed as usual. If I had the money, I'd get both consoles, Wii for my Zelda fix, and PS3 for FF-VII remake and the imminent Kingdom Hearts 3. They're both good consoles, so stop all this bickering, sheesh.
TwilightKnight @ Nov 10th 2006 7:04PM
Considering how Nintendo said 4 million by years end, with only a month and a weekish left after the launch. Since American is getting the bigger part of that pie, I will assume 2.5 of that 4 million will come here by years end.
2.5 million devided by 5 weeks is 500,000 per week. Since the launch will have the largest shipment obviously lets half those weekly numbers and add it to the launch.
1,250,000 launch with 250,000 more every week by years end, give or take.
This is all just a estimate. It all depends on how many Nintendo is producing right before the launch, which explains why they are not telling us, since they don't know themselves.
Andrex @ Nov 10th 2006 7:04PM
7: Then what does that make the PS3? Another PS1 with prettier graphics? Pass.
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 7:10PM
- Andrex,
PS3:
Graphics, great games, revolutionary controller, web browser, operating system, blu-ray drive, and a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to older gamers.
Wii:
Wiimote.
You get what you pay for.
friedgreenmushrooms @ Nov 10th 2006 7:16PM
Wii: Great games, revolutionary controller, web browser, operating system, and a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to everyone.
PS3: FMVs.
You get what you pay for.
Andrex @ Nov 10th 2006 7:26PM
Graphics: Same as Xbox 360...
Great games: Not until 2007-2008, and even they are arguable.
Revolutionary controller: Same design for 10 years.
Web browser: Gee, the Wii doesn't have this! Oh wait...
Operating system: Yellow Dog, underwhelming you Linux experience since 1999!
Blur-ray drive: Delays, delays, and price hikes. It's totally worth it for HD cut scenes though!
...And a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to older gamers: Stretching to the freaking Commodore is stretches far further and attracts a far wider audience of older gamers.
Optimus Prime @ Nov 10th 2006 7:41PM
Its simple...
NES --> GC : 90% --> 15%
...Wii has nowhere to go but up.
Tom @ Nov 10th 2006 7:42PM
"PS3:
Graphics, great games, revolutionary controller, web browser, operating system, blu-ray drive, and a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to older gamers."
That made me chuckle a little bit. The PS3 controller is deemed "revolutionary" while the wiimote is gimmicky, yet the PS3 has the same Design as from the previous generations and offers limited motion sensing compability compared to the Wiimote. Hmmm
People were saying how the NDS was gimmicky too...and look how it turned to out
And that immensely intellectual list of yours can be used for the other two consoles as well
T - Bag obviously gets t-bagged from sony for posting shit like that
SymetriX @ Nov 10th 2006 7:44PM
They'll both sell out, but I don't see a "Zelda" for the PS3 to sustain the momentum once the rush dies down.
TwilightKnight @ Nov 10th 2006 7:48PM
Indeed, the only difference between the two is that the Wii has a killer app and the PS3 has ports, a decent FPS, and a hack and slash.
Watch as Twilight Princess outsells the entire software lineup of the PS3 this year. Also direct your attention to Japan where the DS will most likely outsell the PS3. Since hey, it is outselling the Xbox 360, it isn't that far of a stretch.
Llenlleawg @ Nov 10th 2006 7:52PM
-T-Bag
"PS3:
Graphics, great games, revolutionary controller, web browser, operating system, blu-ray drive, and a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to older gamers.
Wii:
Wiimote.
You get what you pay for."
(fanboy...)Correction:
PS3:
Better graphics, great games, TILT&TUMBLE controller, web browser, operating system(so does every other system...), blu-ray drive, and a backwards compatibility list of games that are just as playable to older gamers.
Wii:
Graphics, revolutionary(fully motion sensitive)Wiimote, great games(anyone ever hear of Zelda, series with two guiness world record preorders), web browser(opera), operating system(to run, a console needs an operating system...), and a backwards compatibility list of games that are just as playable to older gamers(NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, Terbo Graphix, GameCube).
Do your research next time buddy :)
(I could have mentioned the various disadvantages of the PS3 AND the Wii, but we are listing advantages right?)
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 7:53PM
- You kids,
Show some dignity for Christ sakes. Defending a Wii at any age above 5 is like me grabbing a fisher-price toy and saying it's ok if I still like it.
Since you are persisting though, it'd only be rude for me not to at least prove my point. After all, I was the one who started all of this...
- friedgreenmushrooms,
"Wii: Great games"
For children under the age of 5.
"revolutionary controller"
A gimmick isn't going to save the console.
"web browser"
Nothing in comparison to the accessibility of the web browser on the PS3.
"operating system"
Where'd you pull that one out of?
"and a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to every manchild."
Manchilds? Yes. Normal people? No.
"PS3: FMVs."
Now, now, no need for jealousy.
"You get what you pay for."
Irony at it's finest.
- Andrex,
"Graphics: Same as Xbox 360..."
The 360 console has nothing to do with this argument.
"Great games: Not until 2007-2008, and even they are arguable."
Fanboyism has nothing to do with this argument.
"Revolutionary controller: Same design for 10 years."
Shape, yes. Usage? A whole new experience.
"Web browser: Gee, the Wii doesn't have this! Oh wait..."
Barely accessible, and offers none of the great features the PS3 version does.
"Operating system: Yellow Dog, underwhelming you Linux experience since 1999!"
Fanboyism has nothing to do with this argument.
"Blur-ray drive: Delays, delays, and price hikes. It's totally worth it for HD cut scenes though!"
Aside from the fact that cut scenes are vital for certain genres, and that's not even close to what else they can do with the space, are you implying that you never watch movies?
"...And a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to older gamers: Stretching to the freaking Commodore is stretches far further and attracts a far wider audience of older gamers."
If older gamers wanted to play games from the commodore, I think they'd download them for free off of the net instead of paying $10-$15 for ‘em.
Anything else?...
Andrex @ Nov 10th 2006 8:06PM
T Bag, your responses are so hysterical I'm having trouble writing this.
-->"Show some dignity for Christ sakes. Defending a Wii at any age above 5 is like me grabbing a fisher-price toy and saying it's ok if I still like it."
Nintendo DS Lite.
-->"For children under the age of 5."
Red Steel, Sadness, Orb, Thorn, et cetera.
-->"A gimmick isn't going to save the console."
Wasn't the PS3's titlt sensor added two weeks before E3? Laugh out loud.
-->"Web browser is nothing in comparison to the accessibility of the web browser on the PS3."
Point and click is worse than navigating with a joystick? Wow.
-->"Manchilds? Yes. Normal people? No."
Have you checked the VC list lately?
-->"'Graphics: Same as Xbox 360...' The 360 console has nothing to do with this argument."
Doesn't respond to my answer...
-->"'Great games: Not until 2007-2008, and even they are arguable.' Fanboyism has nothing to do with this argument."
Then why are you here? Once again, doesn't comment...
-->"'Revolutionary controller: Same design for 10 years.'"Shape, yes. Usage? A whole new experience.
It is not used in 95% of PS3 titles.
-->"'Web browser: Gee, the Wii doesn't have this! Oh wait...' Barely accessible, and offers none of the great features the PS3 version does."
Like...?
-->"Operating system: Yellow Dog, underwhelming you Linux experience since 1999!' Fanboyism has nothing to do with this argument."
Yellow Dog is the DOS of Linux.
-->"Blur-ray drive: Delays, delays, and price hikes. It's totally worth it for HD cut scenes though!' Aside from the fact that cut scenes are vital for certain genres, and that's not even close to what else they can do with the space, are you implying that you never watch movies?"
You'd rather watch an interactive movie on a PS3 than play a game? You are a Sony fanboy!
-->"...And a backwards compatibility list of games that are much more playable to older gamers: Stretching to the freaking Commodore is stretches far further and attracts a far wider audience of older gamers.' If older gamers wanted to play games from the commodore, I think they'd download them for free off of the net instead of paying $10-$15 for ‘em."
Check the updated VC list, I'm sure there's something you'd like. If you say, "I'd rather emulate them", then go ahead, but accept that people will buy those games you just emulated and that the money is going mostly to Nintendo.
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 8:07PM
- Llenlleawg,
"Wii:
Graphics..."
Wait, did you just say graphics?
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/734/734398/wing-island-20060922032648739.jpg
ROTFLMFAO... Nice try fanmanchild. I'm just going to ignore your whole argument because of that blatant fanboyish attack. Was worth a good laugh though.. LOL
Simple fact is, the Wiimote isn't going to save this Nintendo 64.5, nor is a BC list of games that I can quite easily download from the net right now for free. The Wii is a fad, the fad will die once everyone tries the Wii Kiosks or buys the console by mistake. You should expect a lot of present returns after Christmas due to utter disappointment on the Wii's part.
Oh and by the way, Sony doesn't even consider the Wii as competition.
Llenlleawg @ Nov 10th 2006 8:07PM
- T-Bag
"For children under the age of 5"
dont seem to remember five year olds playing Farcry, Spinter cell, or Blazing angels...
"A gimmick isn't going to save the console."
Tilt&tumble = A whole new experience
Fully motion sensitive = Gimmick?
Llenlleawg @ Nov 10th 2006 8:14PM
- T-bag
Ignoring the facts eh?
If you HAD read my post you would have seen that my correction was that the PS3 had "Better Graphics" and that the Wii had "Graphics".
"Nintendo 64.5" still wondering where that came from...
TwilightKnight @ Nov 10th 2006 8:16PM
T-bag's comments are at least 3 years out of date. Most of what he tries to get across sounds really lame just by the sheer fact of the Nintendo DS matching most of those same criterias and is SELLING ALOT.
DS a gimmick? Check.
DS aimed at kids? Check.
DS uses a lower storage media format, thus inferior? Check.
Doesn't have FMVs, so it sucks? Check.
Doesn't play pretty movies? Check.
If the DS is so horrible then why has it sold over 28 million? Hmmm...? Anyone? Hello?
Same thing with the Wii, since the market stradegy is pretty much exactly the same.
Silver @ Nov 10th 2006 8:23PM
Ignore the miserable troll (T-Bag). All the Wii haters are just peeved because they won't be able to get their hands on a PS3 until spring or summer. Sucks for them.
friedgreenmushrooms @ Nov 10th 2006 8:25PM
T-Bag:
How is the Wii remote a gimmick, when the PS3 controller also has motion-sensing functionality? Am I missing something, because I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same thing. This argument is just tiring, because there's no logical basis to it. After so long, I am so tired of having to ask for just a simple logical answer from people. It really makes my brain hurt. Ow.
Regardless, the Wii remote isn't meant to improve gameplay in any way, not for current gamers. It's only meant to be easy for non-gamers to use. Non-gamers can point at things and make motions rather easily, but remembering which button goes with what action is a bit harder for them. That's the only reason the Wii remote is how it is.
I completely agree that the Wii remote isn't entirely ideal...for us. But it's not made with me in mind, or you, or any gamer. It's for everyone else. It's for the people that Nintendo is marketing to, which isn't you or me, so I don't expect you to be interested at all. I'll admit, I only care about the Wii because I want to play Zelda (and Mario, Metroid, etc.).
You're going to play whatever you want to, I'll play whatever I want to. Can we just leave it at that?
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 8:32PM
- Andrex,
"T Bag, your responses are so hysterical I'm having trouble writing this."
Laughing at obvious facts. Furthermore proves my manchild theory.
"Nintendo DS Lite."
Now imagine DS Lite, but only as a console rather than a handheld. That's a Wii.
"Red Steel, Sadness, Orb, Thorn, et cetera."
So out of the 60 launch titles, only one isn't a kid oriented game? Ouch...
"Wasn't the PS3's titlt sensor added two weeks before E3? Laugh out loud."
You'd make a great conspiracy theorist. Lawls.
"Point and click is worse than navigating with a joystick? Wow."
Who ever said anything about a joystick? It's mouse and keyboard enabled, meaning you don't have to break your arm trying to surf the net like on the Wii.
"Have you checked the VC list lately?"
Have you checked romnation.net lately?
"Doesn't respond to my answer..."
That's because the question was irrelevant.
"Then why are you here? Once again, doesn't comment..."
To prove the point that the PS3 is a lot more capable of bringing home an entertaining experience than a Wii will ever be. It's not a matter of fanboyism, not at all. In fact I've enjoyed many Nintendo consoles in the past. Heck, my favorite game of all time is Super Mario Brothers. It's just that Nintendo hasn't been delivering the goods these past 2 generations. I'm just here to show you that, not make you believe it.
"It is not used in 95% of PS3 titles."
Would you like to show me some proof for that percentage?
"Like...?"
Multi window browsing, the ability to use a mouse and keyboard. More onboard gigs to save more photo's, songs, and videos. Like I said, you get what you pay for.
"Yellow Dog is the DOS of Linux."
This makes it an under whelming experience how exactly? He just wanted to take a shot so I'm standing my ground.
"You'd rather watch an interactive movie on a PS3 than play a game? You are a Sony fanboy!"
Apparently you don't understand English.
"Check the updated VC list, I'm sure there's something you'd like. If you say, "I'd rather emulate them", then go ahead, but accept that people will buy those games you just emulated and that the money is going mostly to Nintendo."
So you replied by saying that the majority of people who buy Nintendo consoles are stupid? Well if they're paying for games that are 20 years old, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that they're complete morons.
majortom1981 @ Nov 10th 2006 8:42PM
T-bag you are talking about fanboys when every single comment by you has been a fanboy comment. Only sony fanboys would call wii a fisher price toy.
Llenlleawg @ Nov 10th 2006 8:44PM
"How is the Wii remote a gimmick, when the PS3 controller also has motion-sensing functionality? Am I missing something, because I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same thing."
As in reference to the web browser being much easier on the Wii, having the ability to point adds a whole new dimention to motion sensing.
"Regardless, the Wii remote isn't meant to improve gameplay in any way, not for current gamers. It's only meant to be easy for non-gamers to use. Non-gamers can point at things and make motions rather easily, but remembering which button goes with what action is a bit harder for them. That's the only reason the Wii remote is how it is."
Yes the Wiimote will be easier for non-gamers, no it will not take away from hardcore gamers. It is obvious from all the cross platform games that it will not make gameplay in any way less than other systems controlers, it adds to it(shooting for example).
When it all boils down, the PS3 has better Graphics and the Wiimote has better control. Both add to realist and depth, one visually, one physically(plus the speaker). It's just a matter of what you prefer, and how much you are willing to spend.
Sarmstrong @ Nov 10th 2006 8:46PM
Which PS2 record?
Clayton @ Nov 10th 2006 8:48PM
T-Bag, most of your comments annoyed me, but one I just couldn't let go. "Well if they're paying for games that are 20 years old, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that they're complete morons."
Do an ebay search on Sega Genesis, Turbografx, NES, ect. You'll notice there seem to be a hell of a lot of people bidding on this stuff, and it all goes for hundreds of dollars. Saying that only morons buy old games is one of the single most moronic comments I've ever heard.
GamerT @ Nov 10th 2006 8:50PM
It would be pretty cool to see Nintendo outsell Sony but that is not going to happen. We all know that PS3 will sell out quickly and there will end up being tons of them on eBay for around $2000 a piece.
Andrex @ Nov 10th 2006 8:52PM
"Laughing at obvious facts. Furthermore proves my manchild theory."
You're the one without the facts. Proof below:
"Now imagine DS Lite, but only as a console rather than a handheld. That's a Wii."
-->100,000 consoles sold a week is suddenly a bad thing?
"So out of the 60 launch titles, only one isn't a kid oriented game? Ouch..."
-->I'll run down an even bigger list so you can understand:
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Red Steel
Far Cry: Vengence
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Necro-Nesia
Plus the racing, fighting, and Virtual Console games, and that's just for launch. The PS3 has...?
"You'd make a great conspiracy theorist. Lawls."
-->I'm just going on what the Warhawk guys said. Third parties also didn't learn about the feature until E3. So unlike what your weak mind has come up with, the SIXAXIS is the gimmicky controller, and the Wii remote is the revolutionary one.
"Who ever said anything about a joystick? It's mouse and keyboard enabled, meaning you don't have to break your arm trying to surf the net like on the Wii."
-->You must be a completely oblivious part of the SDF. It's been stated numerous times simple wrist motions are needed in all Wii games, except for the ones that don't even use the Wii remote.
Have you checked romnation.net lately?
-->Refer to my last response.
"That's because the question was irrelevant."
--> Uh-huh. So basically your responses are pick and choose.
"To prove the point that the PS3 is a lot more capable of bringing home an entertaining experience than a Wii will ever be. It's not a matter of fanboyism, not at all. In fact I've enjoyed many Nintendo consoles in the past. Heck, my favorite game of all time is Super Mario Brothers. It's just that Nintendo hasn't been delivering the goods these past 2 generations. I'm just here to show you that, not make you believe it."
--> Fanboy in denial. Nintendo has done many things the past 2 generations you are incapable of seeing.
"Would you like to show me some proof for that percentage?"
-->There's WarHawk... and... Madden... and... umm..?
"Multi window browsing, the ability to use a mouse and keyboard. More onboard gigs to save more photo's, songs, and videos. Like I said, you get what you pay for."
-->I'd rather pay for the experience on a PC and use it that way. Games consoles are supposed to play games.
"This makes it an under whelming experience how exactly? He just wanted to take a shot so I'm standing my ground."
-->It is severely lacking in terms of features and usability.
"Apparently you don't understand English."
--> ???
"So you replied by saying that the majority of people who buy Nintendo consoles are stupid? Well if they're paying for games that are 20 years old, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that they're complete morons."
-->No, I said people are still going to use the Virtual Console, which does have good games that you may not even be able to find ROMs for.
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 8:53PM
- Llenlleawg,
"For children under the age of 5"
dont seem to remember five year olds playing Farcry, Spinter cell, or Blazing angels...
Port, port, and port.
"A gimmick isn't going to save the console."
Tilt&tumble = A whole new experience
Fully motion sensitive = Gimmick?
When did I base my entire argument on the new tech inside of the PS3’s Sixaxis controller? I’m only picking fun at the Wiimote because that’s ALL the Wii’s got.
“Ignoring the facts eh?
If you HAD read my post you would have seen that my correction was that the PS3 had "Better Graphics" and that the Wii had "Graphics".
Unless the Wii surpasses the 360 or the PS3 in graphics, it shouldn’t be mentioned. It was your fault for putting yourself up for that.
"Nintendo 64.5" still wondering where that came from...
Look at the picture. In fact, look and watch all the Wii screenshots and videos. You’ll see where it came from.
- TwilightKnight,
“Same thing with the Wii, since the market stradegy is pretty much exactly the same.”
The DS Lite is a handheld. Kiddy graphics and shitty gimmicks can work there because it’s just a handheld. You don’t buy a handheld to play it at home, you buy one to go out and play off and on. Graphics, sound, all that jazz doesn’t really matter because you’re not serious about it at all. Consoles on the other hand, well, I think you get the idea.
- Silver,
I don’t plan on getting a PS3 for a few years. I already have a 360 and that’s all the next-gen gaming I need. Thanks for the presumptuous input though.
- friedgreenmushrooms,
“How is the Wii remote a gimmick, when the PS3 controller also has motion-sensing functionality?”
It’s a gimmick because that’s all the Wii’s got going for it. You’re not buying a Wii to play a bc game, you’re buying it for the Wiimote. Something that could have easily been made for the Gamecube for under $40 on the customers end.
“It's only meant to be easy for non-gamers to use.”
I’m going to be a bit presumptious here and guess that you’re a gamer. Knowing that, don’t you kind of feel awkward defending a console that wasn’t made for you? It was made for the people who really couldn’t care less about games. They’ll probably play it once or twice a month, and to them console wars are just a joke. That doesn’t mean the Wii’s better than the PS3, it just means that the people the Wii’s aiming for are non-gamers.
“You're going to play whatever you want to, I'll play whatever I want to. Can we just leave it at that?”
I’m not trying to tell people what to buy. I’m just offering insight on simple facts that can be clearly seen from a mile. Saying a Wii, which is basically a crippled console, is anywhere near the PS3’s status is absolutely ludicrous.
Senshida @ Nov 10th 2006 8:59PM
"Tea Bags are soo~ out of date! Lipton Tea-Pyramids are better! Tea is better that way!!!" This fictional comment seems familiar... T-Bag? (fanboy and tea bag)
Time for Senshida's Yawn of the Month!
This months yawn is... T-Bag's outrageously sony-fanboyified comments!
'Since you are persisting though'
I'd say your are persisting, because you don't back up much of your claims with legitimate proof.
'Barely accessible, and offers none of the great features the PS3 version does.'
The Opera Wii browser is actually the one with more features.
'For children under the age of 5.'
Ah, Fanboyism, immaturity, arrogance, and ignorance, at their finest. You are saying that a 5 year old kid would play Red Steel or Farcry Vengeance? Also, 5 year olds don't do reasearch, I did. (Read on, and also check out other people's comments)
'The 360 console has nothing to do with this argument.'
It does actually, Same Graphics + More Expensive = stupid buy.
'Aside from the fact that cut scenes are vital for certain genres'
And a lack of cut scenes would ruin a game? Oh really?
'If older gamers wanted to play games from the commodore, I think they'd download them for free off of the net instead of paying $10-$15 for ‘em.'
Virtual Console games costs $5. And many of them are supposed to have makeovers.
---
So the fact is.. T-Bag = Sony Fanboy = illogical.
Normal people use logic and proof to support their claims, you haven't T-Bag. But you did prove one thing, fanboys (of anything) are dumb.
This has been Senshida's Yawn of the Month. Thank you, and good night.
Jonn @ Nov 10th 2006 9:05PM
>Aside from the fact that cut scenes are vital for certain genres, <
No they're not. They're a clumsy and intrusive storytelling device.
>nor is a BC list of games that I can quite easily download from the net right now for free.<
That's piracy. Are you advocating theft?
>Oh and by the way, Sony doesn't even consider the Wii as competition.<
Didn't they also say Next-Gen doesn't start until the 17th?
>Laughing at obvious facts. <
So disagreeing with you automatically makes you right?
>Now imagine DS Lite, but only as a console rather than a handheld. That's a Wii.<
And the DS is outselling it's more powerful competition two to one.
>You'd make a great conspiracy theorist. Lawls.<
That doesn't actually respond to the statement.
>That's because the question was irrelevant.<
Then explain how it was irrelevant.
>Multi window browsing, the ability to use a mouse and keyboard. More onboard gigs to save more photo's, songs, and videos. Like I said, you get what you pay for.<
1. Wait, where was it stated that the Wii wouldn't be able to use USB keyboards and mice on the Wii?
2. So we're paying hundreds more for more storage space and multiple windows. Got it.
>Well if they're paying for games that are 20 years old, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that they're complete morons.<
If they're willing to play them, that means they have at least some value, which means Nintendo can justifiably charge for them. Hoist, petard, etc. Perhaps you would like to say they're too expensive?
Llenlleawg @ Nov 10th 2006 9:07PM
"Port, port, and port."
...and how does that make them for under age five? They are still on the Wii, thereby countering your argument that the Wii does not have non kidy games.
"When did I base my entire argument on the new tech inside of the PS3’s Sixaxis controller? I’m only picking fun at the Wiimote because that’s ALL the Wii’s got."
1. I didnt say your argument was based on that
2. Yes you are "pinking fun"
3. That is NOT all the Wii has.(refer to all above staments)
"Look at the picture. In fact, look and watch all the Wii screenshots and videos. You’ll see where it came from."
So your saying that the Wii has only slightly better graphics than the 64? I think everyone else here agrees that that is not true, its absolutly fanboyish. Not based on any facts whatsoever.
Ndric @ Nov 10th 2006 9:15PM
PS3 doesn't have any decent launch title.
T-Bag @ Nov 10th 2006 9:20PM
- majortom1981,
“T-bag you are talking about fanboys when every single comment by you has been a fanboy comment. Only sony fanboys would call wii a fisher price toy.”
I’m not buying a PS3, by the way.
- Clayton,
“There seem to be a hell of a lot of people bidding on this stuff, and it all goes for hundreds of dollars. Saying that only morons buy old games is one of the single most moronic comments I've ever heard.”
The people you see bidding on the stuff are collectors. They’re not buying them because they actually want to play the games, they just want to add them to their library of consoles. The Wii doesn’t offer you the consoles or the old controllers of those systems, so why would anyone pay $10-$15 for the games instead of going to a rom website. I’ll tell you why, because they’re consumer whores (I.e. morons).
- Andrex,
“100,000 consoles sold a week is suddenly a bad thing?”
I wasn’t talking about sales. I was talking about system specs.
“I'll run down an even bigger list so you can understand:
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Red Steel
Far Cry: Vengence
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Necro-Nesia
Plus the racing, fighting, and Virtual Console games, and that's just for launch. The PS3 has...?”
Zelda is and always was for kids, I grew up to realize that. I hope someday you will too. Until then though, just don’t mention it around friends or family. Aside from the single teen rated game known as Red Steel, all the other titles are ports or have shown no evidence of what rating they’ll get when they do actually release. So I don’t see what you’re getting at.
“I'm just going on what the Warhawk guys said. Third parties also didn't learn about the feature until E3. So unlike what your weak mind has come up with, the SIXAXIS is the gimmicky controller, and the Wii remote is the revolutionary one.”
Would you like to give me the links to this information’s source? Also, the PS3’s controller cant be gimmicky because it’s not the only thing the PS3 has going for it.
“You must be a completely oblivious part of the SDF. It's been stated numerous times simple wrist motions are needed in all Wii games, except for the ones that don't even use the Wii remote.”
The internet isn’t a game kiddo, you actually have to drag your arm from top to bottom constantly. I’d rather just move a mouse on the PS3 than break my arm trying scroll through news pages on the Wii.
“Refer to my last response.”
About the morons?
“Uh-huh. So basically your responses are pick and choose.”
Well yes, if the person I’m arguing with goes completely off track I’ll be there to remind them. I’d expect the same from you.
“Fanboy in denial. Nintendo has done many things the past 2 generations you are incapable of seeing.”
In comparison to what Sony has done? The Gamecube and Wii are likely, if lucky, to generate 1/3 of the PS2’s overall sales.
“There's WarHawk... and... Madden... and... umm..?”
…
“I'd rather pay for the experience on a PC and use it that way. Games consoles are supposed to play games.”
Irrelevance once again, what do PC’s have to do with this argument?
“It is severely lacking in terms of features and usability.”
Since I’m no expert in this department, I will not make false claims. I will however point out the fact that the PS3 is in fact doing everything better than the Wii is.
“???”
Don’t worry about it.
“No, I said people are still going to use the Virtual Console, which does have good games that you may not even be able to find ROMs for.”
Yes, I agree. Morons will still use the VC feature. Just give me a name and I’ll give you a link, it’s really that simple.
Whatever, I’m done for the night…
Andrex @ Nov 10th 2006 9:22PM
"When did I base my entire argument on the new tech inside of the PS3’s Sixaxis controller? I’m only picking fun at the Wiimote because that’s ALL the Wii’s got."
What does the PS3 offer besides bigger space for cut scenes and demos, and prettier graphics, that the Wii doesn't? The Wii has pointing: something no other console has or has ever had.
Andrex @ Nov 10th 2006 9:34PM
"I’m not buying a PS3, by the way."
-->I highly, highly doubt this. If you're truly not, I bet you have a PSP.
"I wasn’t talking about sales. I was talking about system specs."
--> So what if the DS doesn't have "system specs"? It sells more than the Game Gear 2, oops I mean PSP.
"Zelda is and always was for kids, I grew up to realize that. I hope someday you will too. Until then though, just don’t mention it around friends or family. Aside from the single teen rated game known as Red Steel, all the other titles are ports or have shown no evidence of what rating they’ll get when they do actually release. So I don’t see what you’re getting at."
-->You seemed to accidently gloss over Blazing Angels, a WW2 shooter, and Far Cry, which has gotten an M rating. Zelda is also more mature than previous games in the series, Twilight Princess has been bumped up to a T rating.
"Would you like to give me the links to this information’s source? Also, the PS3’s controller cant be gimmicky because it’s not the only thing the PS3 has going for it."
-->I know! It has all that other stuff getting Sony into production trouble and driving up costs for gamers and developers alike!
"The internet isn’t a game kiddo, you actually have to drag your arm from top to bottom constantly. I’d rather just move a mouse on the PS3 than break my arm trying scroll through news pages on the Wii."
-->I'd rather do it on my PC than a games console. But the PS3 isn't a games console, isn't that right?
“Uh-huh. So basically your responses are pick and choose.' Well yes."
-->All the confirmation I needed.
"In comparison to what Sony has done? The Gamecube and Wii are likely, if lucky, to generate 1/3 of the PS2’s overall sales."
-->Rumble, 4-player support, first-party wireless controllers, in addition to genre definers like Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time.
"…"
--> Exactly.
"Since I’m no expert in this department, I will not make false claims. I will however point out the fact that the PS3 is in fact doing everything better than the Wii is."
-->EVERYTHING? Really? Wow, then weekly Japanese sales reports, monthly American sales reports, PS3 price, and the bad PR Sony's been getting are all lies. I see the light now!
"Yes, I agree. Morons will still use the VC feature. Just give me a name and I’ll give you a link, it’s really that simple."
-->Abiding the law is moronic?
Clayton @ Nov 10th 2006 9:39PM
My god thank you! The jerk is finally done for the night! Think about Nintendo's target audience, not all of them know how to use emulation, and some, god forbid, want to follow the law and make sure the authors are given proper credit. It's just like how some people pay for music using itunes and some people still use programs like bearshare to download music. I love old games more than new games, arcade and NES games are the souls of all gaming, and saying they aren't at least worth 5 bucks deserves a kick to the teeth.
Llenlleawg @ Nov 10th 2006 9:43PM
Then ill leave you with this(though more for the benefit of others considering ROMs)
"...a BC list of games that I can quite easily download from the net right now for free."
"Just give me a name and I’ll give you a link, it’s really that simple."
Although Emulators for game systemes are legal, ROMs are not. Some people hold to the 24 hr rule, but that only applies if you are using it for educational perposes. The "having the cart" argument is in question and obviously does not apply to games you dont have.
Bottom line, you are calling people morons for getting games legally.
Every argument you have made has either been countered, equalled on the Wii(graphics depth to physical depth), or just plain ignorant(N64.5, 5 year old games, mouse/keyboard, Emu, ect.)
I respect most Sony Fans as most have respect for classical and current Ninty, they just have different priorities and are more willing to spend. But others I just cannot understand(T-Bag, those at best buy in line right now..)
Morale @ Nov 10th 2006 9:51PM
T-Bag:
"PS3:
Graphics, games, revolutionary controller, web browser, operating system, beta-ray trojan horse, and a backwards compatibility list of games that are actually much more playable to younger gamers, seeing as how the people who grew up on an NES are older than the 14-year-olds who grew up on a PS1, ten years ago."
Fixed that for you.
I'd take the Wii, which has all of those with a more revolutionary controller and a better backlog of games, sans the upgrade to an unnecessary storage format.
Moogle @ Nov 10th 2006 9:58PM
*psst* T-bag is a troll, he doesn't even believe the things he's saying. Just laugh at him and move on.
FuzzyPickles @ Nov 10th 2006 10:04PM
I laugh everytime I read the phrase "kiddy graphics" from these Sony fanboys. By your logic:
1. Better graphics are graphics that resemble real life more accurately.
2. The environment in live-action shows are more realistic than those in cartoons because they... well, let's face it... are real.
3. Friends is live-action... thus "realistic-looking".
4. South Park is animated, so it's less realistic looking... aka "teh kiddie grafx".
5. In conclusion, Friends must be funnier than South Park. And more mature. Among other things.
HikerManiac @ Nov 10th 2006 10:09PM
T-Bag:
You do realize how stupid or dare I say "kiddy" you are acting correct? I sure hope so because even PS3 fanboys can see that a mile away. You say a list of things about one console and then say it is bad. Then you list a bunch of other things about the other console and then say it is good. In both of these situations you are providing absolutely no to very little support (Only examples I have noticed that is legit is the multi window browser and more memory which both aren't that big of a deal.). Also, by the way, if you are trying to "enlighten" us to the "superior PS3" next time try actually saying reason why it is better and then back it up with something called cold hard facts. Lastly, notice how I am not really taking my side of one console or the other, this is because rhetoric skills (if you don't know the art of persuasion through words) are absolutely horrid. Literally as good as a 5 year old which is down right pathetic, no joke.
PS. As much as you would like this, your opinion on things is not considered as fact.
Jonathan @ Nov 10th 2006 10:16PM
Holy crap, it seems like the closer we get to launch, the nastier people get.
I'm getting a Wii, because it's cheaper, in more ample supply, it has great games coming out at launch, and my television is SD (Sony Vega).
But that doesn't mean I "hate" the PS3. Like the PSP, It's an amazing piece of technology. Maybe one day, if my TV dies and I have to get a new one, then I'll pick up a PS3 to go with it. By that time, there _should_ be an amazing variety of games for it and the price may have come down as well.
I still even have hopes for the PSP. I know all the DS guys are snickering at it, but all it needs are a 2-3 cool killer apps that really use it well and sales will definitely pick up. Despite what some would have you believe, the PSP is far from "dead". (And before you say I'm biased, I actually have two DS lites and I have more DS games than PSP ones)
Getting back to my point, this whole idea of "Nintendo is for 5 year olds, it's just a Gamecube with a gimmick" or "I hate Sony and the crappy Gaystation3, it's just PS1 in HD"... you all sound like a bunch of 2 year olds.
If you're gonna prefer one system over the other, at least make a valid point and not the same tired old drivel.