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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:01PM (Unverified) said

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Personally I think it's a little of both. Although I don't think it's really "unfair"

Any company would take every opportunity possible to ride the ol' hype train.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:02PM Fernando Rocker said

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Nintedo is the father of videogames... and this generation, Nintendo will kick some PS3-Asses!
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:02PM (Unverified) said

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Nintendo is the puppet master of this industry, others are followers.

And Muffin you suck a**
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:04PM (Unverified) said

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Oh yes, there has been a lot of spin. I don't expect the market to crash if Wii fails and I remember Nintendo's stories about how amazing the GameCube was compared to the PS2 and Xbox, while still coming up with "only" 11 million(?) sold in the end.

While we accuse Sony of spinning specs with their dubious "fact sheet" and we read Microsoft telling us 1080p isn't needed, we have Nintendo telling us the market is doomed without them.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:05PM Sub said

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I don't know if Nintendo "needed" a new, innovative idea to stay competitive. They still made a nice profit with the gamecube, dispite having a much smaller market share.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:05PM Crono141 said

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Try 21 million, but otherwise correct.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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If Nintendo's products are so inferior, how would they be able to 'unfairly leverage hype'? There is a reason people get excited for Nintendo products.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:09PM atomato said

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I don't think it's so much Nintendo's spin as it is Sony's self-inflicted negative spin and Microsoft's "we're trying to launch the Zune and Vista and Office 2k7, but also buy 360, too kthx."
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:10PM (Unverified) said

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I think wii will have a very diffcult to start because many developers are not use with new control features yet. Like real FPS game (like Half Life) is not working at all because the aim point ("crosshair") is alway stay on the centre of the screen.
So how it will work on wiimote when you need to turn 180 to look behind without block yourself on the screen?!.

Maybe next few years or next system, Nintendo can be back on power like 90's.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:13PM (Unverified) said

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Next Gen might want to check their math, the industry had stagnatted for over two years until this past year. Sales had been holding steady despite growing economies, that is equivalent to a decline overall in value.

Nintendo does spin, everyone does, but the industry really does need help. The DS has done a little, hopefully the Wii can do more. we can have both types (or more) of gaming solutions, but having only one hardcore model was hurting the industry pie.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:14PM Crono141 said

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"So how it will work on wiimote when you need to turn 180 to look behind without block yourself on the screen?!."

I think they could put a button combo that when activated spun you around 180, like in RE4.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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Sounds like Nintendo may very well be spinning the whole industry's problems for ther benefit, but at the same time something they were saying must have connected with developers and gamers, or they wouldn't have jumped on the hype train to begin with.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:17PM (Unverified) said

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"It had been absolutely sidelined as a console manufacturer in the past decade, by competitors with more money and a superior ability to deliver technically advanced machines."

Bull. Nintendo has always been able to deliver technically advanced machines. The Gamecube cost a lot less to make than the Xbox and produced competitive visuals. To me, that’s a more advanced machine. It's not like Nintendo couldn't figure out how to make the Wii export high def visuals. They chose not to.

Using next gens logic, I have a superior ability to produce a technically advanced machine compared to Nintendo because I built my computer with 2 gigs of Ram and a $400 graphics card. Why can't Nintendo keep up with me?

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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:20PM (Unverified) said

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ok im sick of you fernando.

you are such a dummy. first you say something stupid like wii can handle gears of war a year from now and now you are saying nintendo is the father of videogames. another stupid lie. i know you are six and all but there is this guy named ralph baer who is the real father of video games. and i guess you never heard of atari or intellivision or even arcades huh?

go play with your plastic wii ok?
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:29PM Cry Havoc said

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The industry doesn't need a new direction in order to survive, or even prosper -- Madden sells every year despite being riddled with flaws and bugs that were present the year before.

However, most gamers should appreciate the attempt, at the very least. Because guess what? The Wii could very well be the greatest system ever released. It could also be a tremendous flop. If you're in doubt, don't buy it! It costs you nothing to sit and watch to see how the bricks fall, but if it does well, every gamer with $250 to spare has the opportunity to share in something unique. Something that has never been done before, for the most part.

Honestly, the innovation from Nintendo is something they needed to stay alive in the home console race. Isn't necessity the mother of invention? Has Next-Gen completely missed the business model that says you do exactly what you have to to survive and succeed? Nintendo didn't need to innovate to beat Sega. They certainly didn't need to innovate to beat 3D0 or any of the other "lesser" systems. And as much as the concept (read: price tag) behind the PS3 bothers me, I will be the FIRST to admit that it looks like a wonderful system with bounds of potential. Microsoft isn't exactly gaining my loyalty either, but Gears of War is a mind-blowing experience.

Right now, EVERY company needs to innovate to survive. Microsoft did it through it's unique interface for web-based gaming. Sony is doing it through an immensely powerful processing core with enough power to do "anything", from this generation's standpoint.

You guys can hate all you want. Bash all the systems you want. If I had the money, there would be a 360, Wii, and PS3 lined up next to each other in my room. I have the money for only one, so I'm going with the one that I have always trusted -- Nintendo.

It's just a great time to be a gamer. A better time to be a rich one, but the fleet of games that will be dubbed the next-gen for the next 4 years has the potential to be the greatest games ever. Early 360 launch aside, it's starting from a mostly even point. Can't wait to see how all this innovation plays out.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:21PM (Unverified) said

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Minus the "unfair" part, your final sentence contains the truth. Who doesn't leverage hype to their advantage? It's a big part of marketing. If you don't use that hype to help sales, what's the point of the hype in the first place?
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:26PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, Developers dont get fooled easily. Games cost upwards of $40 million bucks each.

Its kind of funny, but most people dont even know what nintendo's "plans" are anyway. Most folks getting a Wii probably have no idea about the "game industry" or "the need for new fresh gameplay", etc. Wii is being hyped big time in the mainstream media, but Nintendo has had little to do with it. We are giving Nintendo way to much credit. Nintendo isnt MAKING a news journalist have fun when they try out a Wii, etc. lol

But I do think Nintendo is trying to spin things positively so it doesnt loose its hardcore base. (the guys who post on blogs lol) Nintendo has "promised" that they wont abandon hardcore gamers but Nintendo really hasnt mentioned future "hard core" games. Zelda and Metroid looks to be it (from nintendo) No more eternal darkness or Star fox adventures type games, etc coming from first/second party it seems...
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:37PM JHarris said

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Oh geez, "go play with your plastic wii?" Is the best you can come up with? Schoolchildren come up with better taunts than that.

Of course companies hire people folk full-time to spin things, and Nintendo is no different.

But as a gamer from before the days of Nintendo, who remembers a time when ALL games were new and different... we do need a change. I find it impossible to get excited over first person shooters, no matter their quality, or RTSes, or sports games. That's at least half of the industry right there, and it might be three-quarters.

I hope Nintendo beats their asses. But it's not because I like Nintendo as a company (which I do) -- it's because if they get whupped hard enough, it could be just the thing to turn them around in the next next-generation.

Hey, I can dream if I want.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:29PM (Unverified) said

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Nintendo is going to do very well with the Wii. Everyone that I've talked to have been very excited for the system, and I think that once everyone gets their hands on a demo unit that any doubts will be shattered.

Even though it doesn't have as much horsepower as the Xbox 360 or the PS3, the Wii is still a next-gen console because it's controller is so innovative and new. It'll be damn fun.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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crono141

Yeah I know like Metroid Prime 3 have special way to move around but isn't true classic FPS, I mean like port from any PC game to Wii.

What about 90? What about when looking up to the sky? And when you are on different angle from TV so how to make you back on the point of view to TV?
Exactly it is quite hard to reconfigure, that's why it will be hard and slower for 3rd party developers.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:31PM miniboss1232 said

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You're certainly right that Nintendo was the one that needed change more than anyone. I don't think anyone can argue against that. Nintendo can't say that, of course, but they know it.

But in the end, is a change all that bad? Who knows, maybe Nintendo's system will become the "de facto standard". Or maybe both old and new will come together to create a stronger industry. If there's one thing the industry could always use, it's something new. And I certainly won't hold that against Nintendo. I think they're one of the few companies willing to take a risk on innovation. They may not be as noble as they want everyone to think, but their actions at least seem to suggest it.

Unlike Sony.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:34PM (Unverified) said

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Of course they are spin masters...

Example...

They cant compete on technology, so, they spin it in many ways: HD dont matter, graphics dont matter, digital audio dont matter, dvd play back dont matter, the industry is collapsing, the market hasnt expanded, etc, etc. All this spin hides the fact that they dont know how to build viable consoles.

But, everybody does this, so, i dont see the problem with Nintendo talking out of their asses.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:35PM (Unverified) said

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oh please. of course nintendo leverages spin, but let's not forget that the xbox is a beast forged PURELY from marketing campaigns (even the name 'xbox' is a flagrant marketing move) and microsoft's endless supply of capital. i'm not saying nintendo is above the abuse of power but let's put this in perspective - sony and microsoft are both at least as active in the spin department, and remember that nintendo's the one one out of the three players who isn't dumping money on system sales in order to artificially lower price and snatch up marketshare out of sheer strength of capital.

call me crazy but it seems to me that joystiq's been seriously reaching at straws to try to take the wind out of nintendo's hype of late. "zelda falls flat due to a color pallette heavy on earth-tones" followed by a 'rebuttal' to the effect of "yeah, well zelda does have it's share of flaws and the controls are still unproven but it's still a pretty good game!". it's a textbook example of artificially influencing people's opinions by offering a false dichotomy of opposing positions which are both skewed in the direction of a particular desired interpretation.

it's like something straight out of fox news.

just follow the paychecks, people.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:47PM Crono141 said

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I just find it funny that less than a week ago everybody thought joystiq was "OMFG ANTI_SONY" and "OMG BIAS FOR NINTEDO!"

Now its just "OMFG anti nintendo"

Could it be that they really are unbiased, and just reporting what they're seeing?
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:39PM Pal said

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I still wish that the Wii had the revolutionary Wiimote AND revolutionary graphics. Perhaps in the next generation we can have a combination of both.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:40PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think the question is whether Nintendo has "unfairly" used hype to their advantage. There's nothing they've done that's outside the boundaries of normal PR spin. The question is just to what degree they've been successful, and I do think they've "out-spun" their competition.

It's nothing new, though. They are masters of PR. They did it with the GameCube also, and anyone who's been to any of their press conferences always comes away wondering how anybody could even question their wisdom. (I've been to several of their PR events, going back to the N64 days and up through the GameCube. It's like being caught up in some sort of political rally just before an election.)

The problem for them is most of the public does not pay attention to PR spin. The hardcore community on sites like this always drinks the Nintendo Kool-Aid, but the rest of the public is not so reliably in Nintendo's camp (as evidenced by the GameCube), though they are sometimes (the DS). I think the point is it's less the PR that wins or loses and more the product itself. It's not about whether the game industry was doomed without a fresh new idea; it's about whether this is the particular idea, and the execution of that idea, that the public actually wants to buy into.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:45PM (Unverified) said

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If it weren't for Nintendo, we wouldn't be playing video games now! They saved the industry back in the 80's, and even if Nintendo isn't the top dog all the time, it'll still always have the on top of everything. They bring to the surface almost every ground-breaking idea: the analog stick, the d-pad, touch screens, motion sensitive technology, and more. Nintendo is the king of video games and will always be: no matter who tries to put it down. Every company will have it's dark days. The Sony will probably have their's soon (PS3). But anyway, I think Nintendo is the leader in video games...seeing that is what they are all about. Sony is for entertainment. Microsoft is for computers. Nintendo is for video games. And that is how it'll always be.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:48PM (Unverified) said

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Very interesting viewpoint one that I am in slight agreement with. For the record I like Nintendo and have owned nearly all major consoles from them, but their is a ring of truth to this IMO...

1. Nintendo were the ones that could really not continue with the way video games hardware was going. If Nintendo had made a traditional console like the PS3 or 360 they would have easily been crushed again. They couldn't get support from third parties and people were no longer interested in playing Zelda and Mario like they used too be. But its funnily a key reason why I most respect Nintendo. Changing things and taking a new approach when the existing one hasn't been working. No point going in and doing the same thing over and over again and hoping this time it will work. Something that Sony seems not be learning from with their new blu ray format.

2. Nintendo has made a console were from its birth its all about Money. Now I might have a Marxist type approach to this, but I cant see how this is a good thing at all. The prices of their games are not that much cheaper and even the controller as a complete set is more expensive then any controller released by the big 3, even accessories and attachments are just as highly priced as the competitors and VC games prices are ludicrous. With all the high mark ups on all parts of the Wii I cant see were the benefits of using last generations hardware has been passed to gamers. Its worrying that if in the next "war" Sony and MS copy this "Profit on day one" approach, we will be seeing prices increasing more so then even now.

3. Many of the Wii games are simply mapping out existing controls and using gesture input as a replacement. Thats not revolutionary, thats simply replacing pressing "A button" too "Swing wiimote to the right" thats goes in the face of the Wii philosophy. Wii is supposed to make gaming easier for non gamers but how is that gonna be easier if they are still having to learn a set of commands just as they would have done with face buttons. Not only that but some games are resting on the controller as emphasis for why its good. E.G Red steel doesn't offer anything that would consider it good on a normal controller, but the fact that its on the Wii has generated most of its good
previews. Just like what Rollin posted on www.infendo.com eventually Wii is going to have to do whats going on with the PS3/360 and improve the actual game not its controls.

4. No one was screaming for this "revolution" before the Wii was revealed. No one was saying that they felt that the controller was too complex for new gamers or that they felt the controller needed to be changed too shake up gaming. No one was saying a 'revolution' was needed and now we are seeing more and more people saying that Wii is the 'Saviour' as if gaming was an endangered species. I'm not saying that new ideas of changing things is bad, but lets not pretend as if they way we were/are playing games right now is in need of a drastic change.

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5.Nintendo's focus on casual gamers doesn't interest me. Because you know what, I'm not casual/non gamer I read and post long winded rants on Joystiq god damn it! I'm all for more people gaming, but when I think of Nintendo I want it too be for Zelda and Mario, not for Brain age and Nintendogs. I'm not a non gamer and so my tastes/needs in gaming are different to ones of people who don't even at this point in time care about gaming. What's funny more so, is that the Wii success will also eventually rest on the shoulders of the hardcore gamers or Nintendo fan boys. Their the ones who pre-order consoles, their the ones who non gamers are going to go too his/hers house to initially try out the Wii. Its not the causal gamer who is going to be sleeping out on launch date to get the console.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:43PM (Unverified) said

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"it's a textbook example of artificially influencing people's opinions by offering a false dichotomy of opposing positions which are both skewed in the direction of a particular desired interpretation."

Because "Nintendo sucks" = clicks. In the short-term, anyway. In the long term, people just get pissed and stop visiting the site, even after the editors have learned to behave. All those people you get to post irate comments might come back for the next two or three "controversial" posts, then get fed up and leave permanently, along with former regular readers.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:46PM (Unverified) said

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Nintendo says they are bringing new ideas to the industry, but they are really bringing old forgotten ideas back to the industry. All this hype about video games as fun - that's what they used to be!

Microsoft and Sony are the ones who changed the industry, by focusing on "mature" gamers and turning games into big-budget movie-like productions. Nintendo is simply returning to video gaming's roots by offering cheap fun entertainment for all ages, just like they did with the NES!

And I think that's necessary. Sony and Microsoft have lost touch with the average consumer. Kids are still a very large segment of the video game market, and casual gamers don't necessarily want expensive, violent games.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 4:54PM (Unverified) said

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I think Nintendo's going to have a rude awakening a couple years from now when Microsoft and Sony release wiimote-like 3D space motion sensing controllers for their easily-upgraded systems because Nintendo will not be unable to release a USB device to provide HD support. Though that's true, the relative lackluster sales of the XBOX 360 this year does seem to imply that maybe the same-old games with better graphics isn't as much of a draw as we've been lead to believe. The poor 360 sales may be due to its reputation of constantly breaking down, so by summer 2007 we'll be able to see how well the PS3 and 360 are selling.


BTW, I find it funny how apiratto condems honesty in journalism then chooses one of the few news outlets that hasn't had a major incident of flat out bias in recent years. Guess his statement is what passes for logic in a world where celebrities try to tell everyone what to think and some actually follow.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:00PM (Unverified) said

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Fernando

the name Atari ring any bells?

Nintendo is NOT the father of the videogame.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:08PM DWells55 said

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I'm just hoping Nintendo can get there stuff together here. I'd like to see Nintendo quality control require 480p and 16:9 support for all games. 480p + 16:9 makes an absolute world of difference on larger sets. Even native 1080i sets can see the difference (but the smart thing to do is switch your set to 540p).

I also hope they crack down on developers to do a better job graphically. If Resident Evil 4 was possible on the GameCube, then I want all games to look 1.5 times better than that.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:46PM (Unverified) said

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Davinche: I really disagree with your assessment here. If you look at the success of the DS or even the PS2, it's not because of any one group. It's because the systems have a wide variety of games from various genres. Not just sports games and FPS games, but RPGs, rhythm-based games, games for children, even games based on digital cameras.

Nintendo, watching the games industry growth slow down, and watching the market actually shrink in Japan, is casting a much wider net. It's not just about the controller: it's about keeping development costs low, and having a wide variety of titles for different people. Brain Age and Nintendogs are two HUGE sellers, so of course you'll continue to see those kind of games for both DS and Wii. But two other huge sellers for the DS are New Super Mario Bros and Final Fantasy III.

By focusing specifically on the core gamer, the 15-30 year old male who probably already has a PS2 and an XBOX and buys 1/2 dozen games a year, Sony and MS are really missing the big picture.

In the end, graphics are only part of the equation. Really, it all comes down to who has the most games. I don't think the 360 or the PS3 are any big threat to the Wii. I think the strongest competitors to the Wii are the PS2 and the DS.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:36PM (Unverified) said

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I agree with your points Jonathan, of course I forgot to bear in mind that though the low costs have not been passed to consumers it may have been passed to developers.

The industry in japan had definetly slowed down and has only came back with the success of the Ds which does show that a ninetendo 'shake up' works, and works really well, but I feel that games like Nintendogs is not enough for even non gamers in terms of an sit at home gaming experienece (Though I did/do actually love Brain Age, and think it would be great on a home console)
I just dont want Ninetendo to venture too far off into the left and just focus on trying too capture non gamers. Im selfish, and I would love to have unique games but more in the line of trying to capture current/existing gamers. Of course this goes in contrast with Nintendo shareholders philoposphy of "More Money!!" but I loved the idea of trying new games like animal crossing and Pikiin, which do a good job of appealing too casual gamers and hard core gamers.

Graphics are not the only part of the equation for gamers, yes, and more games/diversity of games has always been the standout feature of the winning console. But I would say that 360/PS3 bring more to the table then just graphics and sometimes thats lost in the perception of the consoles.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:43PM (Unverified) said

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I was starting to give into the hype for the Wii and started considering buying one. That is until I played it. Don't get me wrong it IS fun. It is just that I expected so much more. I felt as if the controls weren't that accurate and when I tried using the pointer it would dissappear once offscreen and it was hard to bring it back to the screen. I thought that it was going to recognize where I was pointing on the screen but it doesn't. It works more like a mouse. That's fine and all but I thought that it was going to be more accurate. Overall I wasn't overly impressed. Fun but I don't feel that it is going to change the industry. Who knows though maybe it will.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 5:54PM (Unverified) said

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I think Nintendo 'get's it'. They realize that the flashy stuff gets old after awhile. It's fun to have the 'fastest' PC for awhile, but in the end it's all about what you can do with it.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 6:03PM HelghanSuperSniper said

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@ Optimus

What's this you're spewing now? Nintendo didn't go Sony or MS route in designing the Wii because of cost. That's it. Cost. Build a console that costs 400 bucks to make and sell it for 200 hundred. How much money did you just make? Exactly, nothing. That's the current business model, where profits are made on games and accesories. But this isn't even guaranteed anymore because next gen development costs are reaching 20 million and beyond.

The industry is hurting and has been for a while. Sells were stagnant. thank goodness for the portables because even I was about to stop playing.

Nintendo is conducting business just like any other company. The goal is profit margin, constant increasing profit margins without spending a mint to aquire them. Nintendo is a profitable company and the only dedicated game developer of the big three. Some people simply can't understand this.

If the game industry continues on the "same gameplay, better graphics, higher price tag model" eventually people are going to stop playing. Like I mention I was able to sell all of my consoles and just say "f%^k it". I still ended up selling my PS2, two Xboxes including a special edition green Halo Xbox and two Gamecubes. I sold all of my games except for select GAmecube games because I figured Wii would be my last console. I've been playing since 1980 and with Sony constantly going on about "gaming ghettos" and trying to bring about the end of 2D gaming, I don't want to see PS3 dominate the industry again.
I wish Sega could make a Dreamcast 2 and replace them. MS is trying to appeal to the industry but they are just trying to be a better Sony. If MS really wants to take the market they need better first party development. Halo can only take you so far. the rest of their efforts have been surpassed on other hardware by other developers.

Could Wii be a better console? Sure. Nintendo blew it on a few points. Price, No online support at launch, VC games are horribly overpriced but when it's all said and done, Nintendo still makes great games and good hardware. Would would have thought Metroid Prime Hunters would look like a low Res Gamecube Metroid? Or what about Mario Kart on DS? I'm more interested in what is coming for Wii and DS than any other hardware. Touch screens and motion sensing controls have made me interested again.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 6:06PM HelghanSuperSniper said

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jeez...sorry about the typos guys...I'm at work trying to finish up and type this at the same time....
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 6:17PM (Unverified) said

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Joystique is teh bias, yes?

How many "stories" are you guys going to run this week trying to be geek-chic by showing you're too cool for the already too cool Wii launch crowd of the hardcore?
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 8:45PM (Unverified) said

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they spin
but the "saving the industry" mantra is somewhat true.

I was defnately gonna opt out of this round game consoles [possibly videogames altogether...forever].

Nintendo didn't even convince me with the DS or the pre-controller Revolution.

After seeing the Wii Remote, I was definite in my decision to buy the system that uses it.

I can only knowledgeably speak for myself, but I know a few people [offline] who are like me.

If Nintendo gambled on us buying into the Wii, they're assured success in that sense.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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You know what,
As long as they keep putting out fun and interesting games to play while making enough to be profitable, I don't really give a crap if they aren't #1.
People are always obsessed about being number one or Sony VS. Nintendo VS. microsoft like its some kind of boxing match where only one company will survive.

The DS went and tried something different without being all about having jaw dropping graphics and look what happened. Nintendo just needs to keep doing what its doing, making affordable fun to play games. I could care less what the "hardcore" gamers think, I just want something enjoyable and not the same crap all the time.

Plus, if anyone is hardcore enough they would spend the money for the wii in addition to another system. Since the Wii console and games both cost less people obsessed with games are likely to buy both. People who don't think spending a lot of money on a gaming system will by a wii.

I can't see your average joe laying down $650+ to get a game system and play some new movie format.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 7:11PM Maverick Saturn 06 said

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Personally, I think Sony and Microsoft are as bad as each other, both use their fans for money, they boh have thier sneaky ways of doing it, no doubt. Nintendo is the only one still the "Games" console.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 7:03PM (Unverified) said

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Davinche, about the mapping controls to gestures thing... To the unintiated, there is nothing inuitive about pressing a button in your hands to make a character on screen jump, for example. What does pressing a button have to do with jumping? Making a character jump with an upward motion of the remote is a bit easier to learn ("to jump UPWARD motion UPWARD"). More of a connection, less arbitrary. So non-gamers still have to learn commands, but what matters is that increased intuitiveness means an easier time learning, and the controls will become second nature faster.

As for no one having been complaining that controllers were too complex for non-gamers, ever think that the complaint never arose precisely BECAUSE non-gamers were scared away from even trying in the first place? I think that's Nintendo's view: that so many people don't play games silently implies the controllers may be too complex for them.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 7:37PM SpiralGear said

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WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!!!!!

I HATE ALL OF YOU WHINERS AND BITCHERS

god every one that posted either a bad thing or a good thing about the wii, ps3,xbox 360 is an idiot

its not a f****** debate just buy the one YOU want and shut your hole
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 7:47PM (Unverified) said

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This is WTF ive been saying. All of sudden nintendo tells we need innovation. And all of a sudden on the wii mote train. Nobody complained whe ps2 and xbox came out AI got smarter things looked better games had more depth. GC was sidelined, yea yea profit is great on paper but when people refuse to even check out your product just by looking at it, you have a people. So like they said nintendo made it everyone's problem. They remind me of the government and as usual people are too stupid to decide what they really want. People just wanted "good" and the PS3(will) and 360 delivers,. do you people that call the wii innovative even knows what that means. Because great AI more depth and 5.1 sound and picture-esce graphics and that innovative enough for me. I do think games need better storylines and much ending! Hell i remember when SF2 had ending now they just show credit and say that you've won
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 9:44PM Lamppost said

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I think a "revolution" was needed from a developer's POV, not from a consumer POV. Consumers are more than ready to plump down $600+ on a PS3; that alone shows that many felt there was nothing wrong with the industry. What I think many feared was that the cost of creating the games for next-gen systems would be so high that they wouldn't be able to sustain a profit (which is why EA bought Criterion a while back-they wanted to reduce the costs of using Renderware and at the same time pocket coin from other developers who wanted to use it). By introducing a new system and selling it to an audience that wouldn't necessarily care about the next-gen graphics because of the system's innovate design, they allow developers to create games at less cost and (theoretically) make more of a profit.

I think most major 3rd party developers, while they are realistic about the Wii's chances, they are rooting for the system to succeed. As for the end-user, I think this thread alone proves that there is no price at which a hardcore gamer would shake his head and take a pass.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 10:16PM soul4sale said

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What is this, dumbass observation day? "Is Nintendo the spin doctor of video games?"

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Anybody with "marketing," "public relations" or "executive" in their title - like just about everyone this blog relies on for news - ain't talking to Next-Gen to make friends. That includes anyone from MS or Sony too. Bloody hell, the writers on here are like lambs to the slaughter.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2006 11:33PM (Unverified) said

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I am curious about the wii. I would love to play the next zelda, mario, and metroid on it. The problem is, I bought the gamecube for the same reason, played the games, loved them, then the machine gathered dust until re4. I'm afraid the same thing is going to happen to the wii. Great first party games.....then nothing. What is there to look forward to beside first party titles that I cannot get on the ps3 or 360?
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Posted: Nov 14th 2006 1:42AM (Unverified) said

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*uglyteeth: "I would love to play the next zelda, mario, and metroid on it. The problem is, I bought the gamecube for the same reason, played the games, loved them, then the machine gathered dust until re4. I'm afraid the same thing is going to happen to the wii."

Precisely. No matter what Nintendo does with the hardware, they will still be Nintendo. Even killer apps for the Wii, like Zelda, aren't much better than Gamecube releases. That's pretty pathetic.

I find it ironic that while Nintendo talks about innovative gameplay, and Nintendo fanboys balked at playing PS1 games on the PS2, Virtual Console is laden with ancient games with no improvements (if improvements were made, you could have the option of turning them off). Where are the new games?

Nintendo used to be efficient and practical with their hardware. Now, with all the recycled hardware, old games, and "traditional" controls that have to be purchesed seperately, they are just damned greedy and lazy.

But, they will still make a bloody fortune, even if the system bombs.
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