TIME says Wii Sports may be "the greatest videogame" of all-time

Well, if you want to operate under the impression that I'm just an elitist gamer, fine. You'd be wrong, but it's not my fault you hold fast to misconceptions.

The problem, at least for me, with Wii Sports is not conceptually, but with implimentation. To be frank, that's not at all close to what you'd be doing in tennis, bowling, or the others. If you were at all familiar with the sports in question, you'd find the motions for Wii sports to be way off, and I know at least one tennis player who says repeated plays at the game would screw him up on actual courts.

One of the reasons the Guitar Hero games work, actually, is that it tries as much as possible to match actual guitar playing. This is why you get real guitarists singing the game's praises - while comparatively simplistic, the game is based on realistic motions (and those who know how to play the guitar from real-life experience find themselves able to apply their skill with success on the game).

So in terms of simulation alone, Wii Sports is not taking the GOAT mantle. Besides, it always seems ridiculous that someone who has barely played any video games declares one the greatest. It would seem silly for someone who has only seen a couple dozen movies to proclaim a particular favorite of theirs as the greatest film of all time.

"While there a more "gamers" today than there were during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, more casual players have been alienated since the big push to 3D worlds."

This is a fallacy that Nintendo likes to propagate.

The fact is, people have left Nintendo; their install base has shrunk to the point where it consists of their most loyal fans (look at the top GC sales).

There was never a significant 'casual' gamer base to lose in the first place. And, only a fraction of the core gamers left gaming altogether; Nintendo propaganda would have you believe that everybody left.

So, with the Wii, they are trying to attract a new 'casual' base (not one that was 'lost').. who may or may not be interested in video games. Can they be convinced? The DS worked out well somewhat; but a self contained gaming system is different than a home console.

"So, with racing games, you hold the wiimote flat and tilt it to steer. This is how ALL wii racing games are going to control. After the novelty wears off, its no different than button mashing. Youre back at GC1.5.

With sword swinging games, you are going to shake the wiimote or do slash gestures. This is how ALL sword games are going to control... after the novelty wears off, its no different than button mashing. " (Posted by >)

I don't get what your point is. So, the control for some games will be similar. Does that make them not fun?

"except die-hard partisans of the other systems" my ass. Me and a freind managed to convert a hardcore Xbox fanboy to the Wii in 20 seconds flat. The two consols were side by side and we started talking, we finaly convinced him to pick uyp the controller and within 20 seconds admitted that he took back everything he said against it and was now going to purchase the consol and I quote "screw Xbox."

"So in terms of simulation alone, Wii Sports is not taking the GOAT mantle. Besides, it always seems ridiculous that someone who has barely played any video games declares one the greatest. It would seem silly for someone who has only seen a couple dozen movies to proclaim a particular favorite of theirs as the greatest film of all time."

Is he not allowed to have his own opinion? Tell me, do you have a song that you consider the best song ever? a game? a movie? a book? a musican? an actor? a play? a toy? a musical instrument? a website?

Frankly, you are being stupid. You are letting your anti-nintendo bias shine through by saying that he has no right to believe that wii sports is the best game ever, just because you don't like it.

You bring up Guitar Hero, you know what, I play guitar and bass, guitar hero is MUCH different than playing the actual instrument. Wii sports is not a 100% accurate representation of actual sports? boo fucking hoo. What difference does that make? Gran Tourismo is not a 100% accurate representation of driving a car, does that make it a bad game? (for the record, I know a couple people that think GT2 for PSX is the best game ever)

If a sports game isn't a completely accurate simulation of the actual sport, it's a bad game? Look at how many people think Rockstar's Table Tennis for xbox 360 is a great game. Look at how many people think Virtua Tennis for Dreamcast is a great game. But oh wait, they are wrong, because pressing an analog stick back and forth and pressing a button is nothing like playing actual tennis, table or otherwise. Thank you for showing all of us gamers the light. What the hell, who needs any sports game if you can play the actual sport, right? Because we all know a video game that doesn't 100% represent the sport or whatever it is about is terrible.

Look at it this way: Duck Hunt for NES was absolutely nothing like duck hunting in real life. How come tons of people can think of family members that don't play games (as well as family members/themselves who do play a ton of games) that absolutely loved Duck Hunt?

""While there a more "gamers" today than there were during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, more casual players have been alienated since the big push to 3D worlds."

This is a fallacy that Nintendo likes to propagate."

this is not a "fallacy" firstly because it does not site numbers and secondly because Casual players HAVE become alienated.
Maybe you don't know any, but I know lots of people who had a nintendo or a genesis but don't play games anymore because they either got bored with it or found that new games were more demanding of their time.

Also my mom used to play with my NES she isn't even interested in the Gamecube and my dad (though he tries his best) can't get the controls well enough to play COD past the first two levels.

it doesn't matter whether he exagerrated about WiiSports' greatness [he did].

nintendo was right about nongamers digging their system

some of you don't want to admit it

Mindsweeper?
Solitaire?
DuckHunt?
Guitar Hero?
DDR?
DonkeyKonga?

Neither my mother nor my father
have ever played ANY of those games.

Not once.

By Sunday evening I'll know if WiiSports has won them over..

"The problem, at least for me, with Wii Sports is not conceptually, but with implimentation. To be frank, that's not at all close to what you'd be doing in tennis, bowling, or the others. If you were at all familiar with the sports in question, you'd find the motions for Wii sports to be way off, and I know at least one tennis player who says repeated plays at the game would screw him up on actual courts."

I don't think that anyone is arguing that playing Wii sport is exactly like playing the sports in question. The idea that the motion is "way off" is a gross over simplication. The motions are similiar. That's all they need to be for a game obviously designed to showcase the controller, not the sports it uses to display its functionality.

You shouldn't have to be a professional at any of the sports in order to play them well, and the game is not a simulation. It seems to me that this is a positive point.

If your problem with the game is that it does not pick up the nuances of the actual activity then I think you will be having a big problem with the Wii. The simplification of the sport is where the game hooks casual gamers. This is where I find myself agreeing with your point on GH. It is like playing a guitar but simplified to the point that people who have never played a guitar can be good at it. While people who play guitar for a living might enjoy it, I don't think they would call it an musical expression.

In addition to that, comparing athletes to musicians is unfair in the realm of video games. I find that musicians are better at Donkey Konga, DDR, and Kareoke as well. They understand rhythm and musical theory.

Athletes might be gifted, but this help them little with controling digital input. Despite your reactions to it, Wii sports were never touted as a realistic simulation of anything. Just a game.

I myself am one of the alienated gamers. I used to play Atari 2600, NES, and genesis ALL the time... i got a sega cd and played a few games ALL the time... then I got a 3DO (after it dropped to $400) and played it a lot too... i moved up to the playstation and loved a few games, but the excitement wore off and i went back to the old games... then i bought a PS2, kept it for 6 months and sold it... bought an XBOX and got toe jam and earl and played it all the time because it was so close to the gameplay of the original... but that was the only game i really got into... i did buy a dreamcast right before it's demise only because i could run the genesis emulator, and now that is the only system I still have... the new stuff really does demand too much time... some people like that... some people like a game that takes months to play through, with a lot of thought put into it, but not me. I like to pop in a game, have some fun, and then go back to the real world... I don't want a thousand buttons to press... i am personally just not coordinated enough with my fingers for that.

All of these reasons make the Wii seem like fun to me. AND it is something I could buy that 1. is relatively cheap and 2. is something i could enjoy to play with my kids. It is a welcome change to the same old same old that games seem to have become in the past decade.

and of course i will be able to play my old favorites on it (not that i can't on my computer already, but it just isn't the same).

In my opinion, a console should be a console and a computer should be a computer. I am the type of person Nintendo was looking for when they went against the grain of current gameplay.

"Is he not allowed to have his own opinion?"

He's perfectly entitled to his opinion. And I'm perfectly entitled to mock him for how poorly informed it is, and how poorly he worded it.

Yeah, I have my favorite movie. But you don't see me running around, proclaiming "The Truman Show" the greatest movie of all time. You see me saying I like it more than every other movie, sure. But there's a huge gulf between, "This is my favorite, ever." and "This is the best, ever."

As for your very poorly-considered tangent about simulation, let's be up front - most games aren't about simulation, they're about emulation (no, not the kind that software pirates perform). I'll give you two examples.

Simulation is the idea that you're going to replicate the action as closely as possible. For example, Guitar Hero with the guitar controller, Wii Sports, or a light gun game.

Emulation is the idea that you're going to perform an action that isn't close to the action you're trying to perform. Most video games work on this principle - you don't move to make a character jump, you just press a button. You don't actually aim a gun to shoot in an FPS, you just slide a mouse. And so on.

When you make a game that's supposed to be a simulation, you want the controls to come close to the actual action. For emulations like Gran Turismo or Rockstar's Table Tennis, you don't care.

Also, your shot at me being anti-Nintendo is positively laughable. Yeah, I don't like Wii Sports. That does not make me anti-Nintendo. It makes me anti-Wii Sports. This isn't the most absurd accusation made about me in the last week on Joystiq (that would be when someone accused me of being a Microsoft fanboy when I don't even own either of their consoles). But it's up there. Trust me, you could go over my posts in Joystiq and come up with much more to show that I'm a Ninty fanboy than an Nintendo hater.

Also, a bit of friendly advice - the next time you want to call someone an idiot, you ought to check over your own post for spelling, grammatical, and factual errors.

"If your problem with the game is that it does not pick up the nuances of the actual activity then I think you will be having a big problem with the Wii."

Reasonable argument, but it arises from a flawed premise. It's not that the nuances of the activity are missed. It's that the grand sweeping basics are way off. That's not even close to how you actually should use a tennis racket. That's not at all how you'd throw a bowling ball (well, unless you really wanted to damage the lane, but that'd cut short your game). And so on.

If Wii Sports was a simplified version of the actual motion, I'd be much more sanguine on it. But it's not the case, and I think the game would be much better (and just as easy to grasp) if they relied more on how the games are actually played and simplified that instead of the control scheme they actually devised.

32_footsteps, all valid points. I kind of got caught up in the moment with the 'stupid' comment. Sorry about that.

I just do not understand your belief against wii sports is all. noone has ever said it was exactly like playing the actual sports. everyone that I know that has played it has admited its not like the actual sports. that's the point, it's a video game. it's not trying to be the actual sport, it's trying to be a fun video game (and judging by 90% of the reviews I have read about it, it is succeeding)

also, some 'friendly advice' for you: just because someone can't spell everything right 100% of the time or doesn't use proper grammar doesn't make their thoughts any less valid. And for the record, I don't see any factual errors in my post except for maybe the anti-nintendo part, which I agree was me being a stupid fanboy.

@60

Clearly your impressions of the game are different than many other people's (inclding mine). I've played tennis and golf for many years and of course I have played all of the other sports before. I don't not find the motions in Wii sports that unrealistic. Even when I flick my wrist to preform the same actions (although it is usually less sucessful) intuitive for my understanding of the translation of motion.

It seems this is just a matter of preference. Until some sports professonal tells me I should be swinging the tennis racket between my legs instead of the stroke I take in Wii sports, I respectflly disagree with you.

sorry to double post-

I guess my issue is that you give off the notion that wii sports cannot be 'the greatest game of all time' to him. Anyone should be able to understand that he is speaking only of his own opinion, because noone in their right mind would honestly believe that they have absolute power to say that everyone must agree that it is the greatest game of all time.

I - as well as everyone I know - would say something is the 'best thing ever' (be it a game (suikoden 2), a book (bridge to terrabithia), a movie (back to the future 2/princess bride/bill and ted's bogus journey/shawshank redemption (4 way tie for me, heh)), or a band (the mr. t experience)
does that mean that those things are all the 'greatest ever' in their respective categories to everyone? of course not! it is just my opinion. It is an exageration, sure, but you and > are both making out like noone is allowed to think wii sports or any other game is 'the best game ever'
Everyone has favorites, Wii Sports just happens to be his. I am not taking issue with you not agreeing with his opinion, I am taking issue with the fact that in your posts you make it sound like he is not allowed to think it is the best game ever.

long story short, i'm tired. you don't like wii sports, i may or may not (wont know until sunday)
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, blah blah blah.

(side note: the fact that I have put so much effort into this shows how lame I am. hooray!)

Wow. I didnt think Nintendo's silly plan of trying to interest non-gamers would work on anyone, but I guess this at least shows that its possible. Hopefully the Wii lineup will offer versatility and a broad range of genres and titles (ie: get and keep third party support please!)

Score one for Nintendo I guess - one down...millions of non-gamers and skeptics to go.

well... I don't really care if it's 'like tennis', but I do care if it's fun to play, and this non-gamer guy seems to enjoy it. This is kind of like how I don't really care if guitar hero is -really- like playing a real guitar, I just wanna hit the right buttons in order to make the sounds come out right, and every now and then pop the controller to hear the crowd roar :)

Jody and 32_, I can see both of your arguments and how both could be right; either this guy's statement is valid be cause it is "his" greatest game of all time, or invalid because he obviously doesn't play a lot of games and is incapable of a fair judgement. So... agree to disagree?

"I just do not understand your belief against wii sports is all. noone has ever said it was exactly like playing the actual sports."

My belief is based on my theory that the game would be more fun if Wii Sports more closely simulated the experience (simplified or not) of the actual sport in question. I feel like playing the game is fighting against my instincts that "you should throw a bowling ball like this," and so on. When I feel like I have to fight myself to play a game, I don't enjoy it.

"also, some 'friendly advice' for you: just because someone can't spell everything right 100% of the time or doesn't use proper grammar doesn't make their thoughts any less valid."

I never said your points about Wii Sports were less valid because of your inability to copy edit. I said that you shouldn't call someone an idiot when you then proceed to make stupid mistakes in your grammar, spelling, and fact-checking. To that list, I should also add reading comprehension.

As for your points, Koo, it might be particular instruction I've had. Also, it might particular pickiness in the two sports in the package I know best (bowling and baseball). But the motions feel quite off to me. I know I'm not the only one who has encountered these problems. But we can agree to disagree, I suppose.

I dobut greatest game of all time thats really overstepping it.

32_, the 'less valid' comment I made wasn't about my post per se, it was more of a generalization, that being that no matter how hard people on the internet want it to be, 'you can't spell!' is not a valid argument against someone when they make valid points.

not so much directed at your response to me as it was directed at internet posting in general. sorry, I should of made that clear. I thought I did by saying 'make THEIR thoughts any less valid' instead of 'make MY thoughts any less valid'

looks like I'm not the only one that needs help with reading comprehension ;)

"32_, the 'less valid' comment I made wasn't about my post per se, it was more of a generalization, that being that no matter how hard people on the internet want it to be, 'you can't spell!' is not a valid argument against someone when they make valid points."

That's true, but that's not at all what you said, which you admit. And given that you were making the point that I was an idiot at the time, the fact that I caught those errors and you didn't actually invalidates your point.

I comprehended what you wrote just fine. You just need to learn to write more clearly.

So, here we are arguing over another post again. Aren't console launches fun? 32, I shall make the educated guess that for every one person who yearns for slightly more realistic controls for Wii Sports, there will be at least two people who are happy that it's an overly simple motion. This is because generally, people like things to be simple. I know, I know, you're not asking for much. You've got a point--it's not a simulation, and it's barely a psuedo-simulation. My point is that for the general audience that Nintendo is marketing to this generation, that won't matter. People will still buy the Wii, and still bust out the Wii Sports when their friends are over so they can all look like big dorks flailing in their living rooms.

Even if people only buy Wiis (there's an odd looking pluralization) for Wii Sports and a few other simple games, those are still console sales that are generating a profit for Nintendo. It isn't the gaming community that is going to determine the success for Nintendo this go-round. It is the ex-gaming and non-gaming community that will make or break this console.

From what I've read so far, it looks like the Wii is on its way to being made.

By sunday, we'll know if Nintendo was right in thinking that they can recreate the success of the DS at homes across the US with the Wii. Honestly, I think they might and might not make it to getting all non-gamers into their console, but their fanbase will still be there, and so they will endure, should Nintendo come last place again.

On a side note, I find it funny when PSP/Sony fanboys roaming around the net are still in denial and won't accept the fact that the DS was VERY successful in doing what it set out to do. I won't point fingers, but you know who you are.

by the way, of course I agree to disagree. can't possibly agree with everyone's points on everything. I do like people like 32_footsteps in that they can make their points (even if i don't agree with them) without resorting to pointless personal attacks (which again I feel like a huge jerk for the 'stupid' comment i made)

people like 32_footsteps are more of what joystiq needs..people that can argue their point in a respectable manner instead of entering every post and commenting something like 'wii is for homos!' or something similar.

Obviously Final Fantasy XXXVI is better, what an unwashed swine! Well, off to live in a basement for the rest of my life!

I think the sample sizes are a bit too small to be able to make educated guesses, Vince. You might be right in that ratio in the end, but there isn't enough backup to make an educated guess in any direction yet.

Personally, I think I'll be vindicated down the line when Wii Sports 2 comes out (and I do believe such a game will be developed) with improved controls that more closely mimic (albeit simplistically) the actual action and it will be even better received than the original. Of course, that won't be for at least a year, but I'm remarkably patient. I've dealt with video games for over 25 years, and I've learned that with enough patience, I'll find the evidence I've sought.

I appreciate the thoughts on that, Jody. If you want my advice on encouraging such behavior out of others, here's a few pointers.

Take control of the conversation. Illiterate trolls are going to spring up no matter what. But if you can take control of the conversation, people will focus on you and those who post like you (whether they agree or not) rather than the riffraff. It also encourages people to talk to that level (if they want to be acknowledged, they have to talk on your level, not theirs).

Qualify all your statements. This is related to my point earlier - there's a huge gap between "this is my favorite" and "this is the absolute best." You're on much stable ground and thus better able to argue your point on statements like the former. If you are going to say something along the lines of the latter, you have to generalize, like "one of the absolute best," and you should quantify it further (for example, I can say that Netjak considers Castlevania: Symphony of the Night one of the absolute best games ever - it got the most votes when we did our internal "Best Game" poll).

Don't directly insult those you talk to. I'm not always the best at this myself, and I'm more than willing to leave rhetorical traps for people to walk into, but it's much better to just give others enough rope to hang themselves than go on the offensive.

Finally, remember your place. And I mean that as a video gamer. We devote ourselves to something that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. But it does matter in that it brings happiness to millions, but in that it's no different than hundreds of other activities. So enjoy it, take it seriously, but don't treat anything like the end-all, be-all. There's always another game.

not to sound like a whore for 32_footsteps, but that is the best post ever on joystiq.

I dunno... if you're going to start sending me whores, I could give out my location...

In all seriousness, I appreciate the sentiment, but I've seen better posts out there. Some which have made the same points I just made, even. Just keep in mind Isaac Newton's words: "If I have seen further, it's because I have stood on the shoulders of giants."

Whatever anyone might think of me, it's just as right for me to say that.

...first off id like to say that nintendo is the best and is seriusly gona kill ps3...(microsoft and nitendo should just be freinds)..eny ways i think that wii sports is a good game but needs some more depth in it but is good for "non-gamers" but for us core gamers, we need somthing that kicks some seriouse but...like zelda twilight princess....but hay, its a freeby so u can't complane....peace and love to all nitendo fans...

A list of 'simple' games that are among the most influencial and/or best games of all time:

TETRIS
PONG
SOLITAIRE

Pong was the first and had the greatest reach and impact while being put on every system.

Tetris and Solitaire were included with GB and Windows respectively, and their reach was just as remarkable.

If Wii is successful Wii Sports could have some degree of real influence among gamers.

>>>> After the novelty wears off, its no different than button mashing. Youre back at GC1.5.

With sword swinging games, you are going to shake the wiimote or do slash gestures. This is how ALL sword games are going to control... after the novelty wears off, its no different than button mashing.

>>>>""While there a more "gamers" today than there were during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, more casual players have been alienated since the big push to 3D worlds."

This is a fallacy that Nintendo likes to propagate."

""While there a more "gamers" today than there were during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, more casual players have been alienated since the big push to 3D worlds."

This is a fallacy that Nintendo likes to propagate.""


I only know a handful of people 35 and over that play consoles anymore when a ton more used to be into them hardcore back when they first came out. They've lost their simplicity and pick-up-and-go fun and now become chores where you have to spend 20 or more hours to finish the game, not to mention the increased complexity of it all (which is easy for us advanced gamers).


I'm 27 and I grew up with consoles, however, my last console I've actually played and had fun with was the SNES and Genesis. I haven't bought any console since then other than a PS2 that was given to me that acts as a DVD player and has only logged about 25 hours of gaming time.


I'm primarily a PC gamer because what consoles can do, a PC can do better. The reason why I used to like consoles is because they gave an aspect and way of play that, at the time, PC gaming could not provide so it was good for a change of pace. These days, consoles try to increase their power to be like a PC and that's all they are, wannabe PCs and there's not much difference between the games.


I find the Nintendo Wii to be quite refreshing and something new and I'm not alone on that. I know a ton of non-gamers who are looking forward to it because they can easily get up and play. They don't have to read an instruction book or learn complex button combinations to play. What they naturally think they'd have to do, they simply do with the wiimote. Have a sword and simply swing it. Have a bowling ball and simply roll it. With a regular console, they wouldn't know what certain buttons do until tons of trial and error. With the Wii, it's so natural.


The Wii is awesome because as I said, consoles of today are wannabe PCs. The Wii is able to give you a gaming experience unlike any console or PC thanks to it's innovative controller. The Wii is unique and is giving us that change of pace that consoles did back when they first came out. It's different from a PC and everything else whereas other consoles are same-o-same-o. There isn't much difference between the 360 and the PS3. Heck, there isn't much difference between the PS2 and Xbox compared to the PS3 and 360 other than upgraded graphics. There isn't much difference between the 360 and PS3 compared to a PC other than lacking many more features. The Wii has something over all of those systems and it's why it will be an awesome seller this time around.


The PS3 and 360 are a part of evolution; the Wii is part of revolution. As one of the Nintendo execs said, if you want something next-gen, don't look here as what we have is something NEW-gen. Why play something with simple upgrades when you can play something entirely new?

#79 and 80:

What did you gain by simply quoting those two statements? They weren't convincing the first time, and quoting them as if they were Bible passages doesn't help.

Motion sensing controls are qualitatively different than button pressing. If you stripped away all the trappings of a game and instead focused on simply pressing a button versus moving your arm, you'd find the experiences to be markedly different. This is so obvious as to not even be worth mentioning. Ah well.

Something else that is obvious: even if the basic premise of the latter quote was correct (which it isn't), the only way it could be true is if the Wii only ended up offering the same types of games we've been playing for years. More on that in a bit.

So yeah, assuming that all racing games on the Wii are played in the same manner, and that the Wii becomes the industry standard, motion tilting will become the new status quo. This doesn't mean, however, that we're better off sticking with buttons; it might mean the opposite--that tilting is a superior method of control in this particular instance. As more and more hands-on previews come in, this appears to be the case.

All this is rendered moot, however, if the Wii eventually provides an experience that is simply impossible to emulate on standard controllers. Make no mistake about it, that's Nintendo's goal, and if they succeed the impetus will then be on supporters of traditional controls to justify the existence of buttons and sticks. Precedent won't be enough.

To 20, (32_Footsteps) you meant "intransigence".

Tetris still tops many greatest games of all time lists. No reason Wii Sports couldn't trail Tetris, but yeah not greatest game of all time. Certainly a milemarker though. I don't know, I still need to sit down with it (I did play Tennis at E3, it was great fun.)

I think they should have tossed the Wii Sports name and thrown even more stuff on there, like the target practice and airplane games we saw at E3. The hardcore are asking for more, and I'm sure some of that stuff was ready, this package could have been G.O.A.T. material instead of a simple system showcase.

slagar says eloquently:
[[9. i love it when "gamers" dis "non-gamers", as the gamers truly aren't getting it. it seems the "gamers" are defending their way of life against the oncoming horde that doesn't understand what gaming is all about.

the Wii isn't about traditional gaming. it's trying to get to those who are turned off by the things that traditional gaming has been about. Leet speak. Pwning. Fragging. those thing are getting old and it is time for a change.

think of the Wii as a gateway. it will get people who have never picked up a controller to pick one up. who knows what will happen from there.

it means more people will be playing games and that can only mean good things about gaming in general.]]

PERFECT, slagar.
PERFECT.

Thank you. Thank you.
You beat me to the punch.

I am in total agreement.
With Wii Nintendo is breaking this boys' clubhouse effect that gaming has gathered over the years & taking the elitism from this industry.
Some people naturally like a Comic Book Guy can't stand it. Dinosaurs they are. And Wii's the meteor strike to wipe out the old order.

*I* have ALWAYS wanted gaming to spread out to more audiences. To be able to play with your entire family just like playing cards or watching a movie together...only a fool would think that's a bad thing.

Mentioning Wii Sports to my decidedly NON-gaming relatives perked their interest whereas a Mario or Zelda never could.

Who CARES if Wii Sports is the best game ever in reality. It MAY be the best game ever in bridging the gap & destroying the long-held negative stigma toward videogaming & if that happens it WILL be the greatest.

Wii gonna capture everybody one way or another: hardcore, softcore, newcore. And that's beautiful.
I love that company. Without them videogaming just wouldn't be the same.

John Lucas

Oh come-the hell-on!! You claim that Time Magazine labeled wii sports as being soo good. But why? because some geeked-out editor at TIME recently discovered video games?? I tell ya fanboys are always looking for a way to over-inflate the image of their favorite console. Tell me what the heck does this Wilson Rothman guy know about video games! damn near nuthin, i'd bet! and now you expect me to view him as a credible video game critic because he works for Time Magazine. Are you freeken kidding??

As far as I'm concerned, the Wii will be the greatest console I have to use to play Metroid far. Other than that...I'm still hoping the graphical and feature downfalls won't get overshadowed too quickly.