Sony's system projects a quiet cool (PS3 delight #1)

OMG U R SOOCH FAnTBOiZ tahkIng g00d about TEH PS3!!!1111 :P

jk
glad to hear something positive

That's all very good and whatever, but aren't you going to report how Resistance Fall of Man [and another game I forget] can't output at 1080i?
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Jamaican bob-sleigh team!

Is this thing bigger than a TiVo?

Anyone kno if the Wii has a similar design when it comes to cooling... lmao, Cool Runnings -> "Is it a good movie?" "It has its moments" "Cool Runnings" "Right!"

This is Sony's experience in consumer electronics showing through; eg. if you've seen the PS3 dissection videos you'll notice that the 380W power supply is incredibly tiny. My only concern are the heat sink fins gunking up with dust after a year.

Anyways, cool.

Sorry, that link should be:

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/39309975/m/340004202831

cool my ass

the ps3 at my local best buy melted...seriously

**Yawn** that's great. I'm thinking of getting a 360. Or it can be "coolness" of the PS3 can represent how the console will be, cold and unsold. I kid, I kid. Or am I!?


O_o'. PS3- We make babies cry.

The machine is so expensive and elegant looking I don't see why anyone in their right mind wouldn't buy an illuminated pedestal for it.

That's very good news. It'll be interesting to see if the hardware holds up better than PS2's-class-action-lawsuit-spawning quality did.

How's the Wii do in this respect actually?

"The machine is so expensive and elegant looking I don't see why anyone in their right mind wouldn't buy an illuminated pedestal for it."

Heh, that's funny. Honestly, the PS3 looks like a grill. I have expect to open it up and shove meat inside.

I think it was Major Nelson that said that the reason the 360 is so loud is because the disc spins 12x, whereas the PS3 spins 2x.

While the 360 noise is a slight annoyance, it's less annoying than the longer load times the PS3 will offer.

So the PS3 shares characteristics with a Fridge..
and the Xbox 360 can cook eggs.

I don't know what that makes the Wii.

I was really expecting this thing to be a shoddy POS that only looked good on paper and the rare times it actually worked... you know, like the 360, but the PS3 already seems far more reliable than the 360. Between Joystiq and IGN, a few dead units would have been found by now if the system was anywhere near as unreliable as Microsoft's.

Has anyone taken into account that the PS3 has larger vents, so it's going to run cooler. Also, it isn't trying to cool off 3 chips, like the 360. Oh, and my favorite....the 360 uses a DVD drive that spins at 12x while the PS3 uses a BD drive spining at 2x, which is why 360 loads games faster, unless you decide to let the PS3 dump load data on the HD. And the system cost $200 more, so the least they could do is make it cooler and less audible. Maybe all that should be taken into account before the fanboys get up in arms.

Yes, let's totally forget about the DDE we all received.

I wonder how many people will be willing to void their warranty on a 600 dollar system.

Riiiiidge Raaacer graphic glitches. Sorry I'm not sure how to submit news here but this is right along Blake's alley =)

http://www.gamebrink.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28670#post28670

Xbox 360's DVD's spin at 12x- Standard load times.

PS3 Blu-ray Disc spin at 2x- zzzzzzzzz

At least it's quieter sound makes it easier to sleep while the game loads.

"yo, sanka...ya dead".."ya man...im dead"
i hate PS3 but hay, cool runnings is a sweet movie

Just so everyone knows the PS3 controller does not come with a USB cahrager cable. I just bought one from wal-mart and on the back of the package it says that (A USB Cable is Not Included)

To those that asked:

According to Gamespot, the Wii is basically silent. More specifically, it didn't make any noise that they could hear. They held a microphone up to it and there wasn't any noticable sound.

Of course, noise levels in an office/studio are higher than a living room. So it's not the best test. But things look pretty good for the Wii.

that was Charger Cable Sry

Yeah, nothing fits into your stack of home electronics by your TV like something with a CURVED top that you can't put anything on top of. Brilliant comments.

Actually, I used to have my XBox 360 in the bedroom so I could play at night with headphones on. My wife made me remove it because the combination of the noises from the fan and spinning drive was too loud for her to sleep. So while console loudness may not be an issue when you're firing a machine gun in the middle of a battlefield, it's certainly noticeable in other scenarios.

"This is Sony's experience in consumer electronics showing through"

How do you relate noise level, to craftsmanship?

I can make a quiet piece of shit, but that still doesn't change the fact that it is a piece of shit.

Sony did use to make good products back in the 80's and early 90's, but they have been declining in quality ever since.

My father went through 3 sony televisions in an 3 month period before he got one that actually didn't have any problems.
He also had a sony upconverting dvd player that gave him nothing but problems, and had to get rid of 6 months later.

I had a sony receiver that I bought about 8 years ago, and two years later, the subwoofer output just completely stopped working.
The original ps1, I had atleast half a dozen friends who had to turn them upside down in order to get them to work.
My girlfriend is on her second ps2, because the first one decided it didn't like to play ps2 games anymore.
I know there are many more just like her.
As a matter of fact, wasn't there some kind of class action lawsuit against sony on the ps2?
Didn't they settle out of court on it?

If that is not admitting fault, I don't know what is.

I am not saying microsoft or nintendo makes perfect products, they don't. But don't sit up here on some high horse and say
"This is Sony's experience in consumer electronics showing through" is laughable.
I can tell you right now, I, and A LOT of others know, sony's expierence in consumer electronics TODAY, doesn't mean jack shit.

You lot certainly don't like PS3 good news do you, fanboys...lol

Any good news you hear, you turn into bad news, simply cos you can't admit things, lol.

i hope so, just look at the size of the heat sink and fan, it takes up most of the unit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoEA69MuYM&mode=related&search=

My 360 has never overheated and the only place it even gets warm is around the back vents. Also it's really only noticeably "noisy" when there's a disc spinning at full speed.

I think people are just talking up this heat/noise thing to be more than it's worth just as a discussion (read: argument) point.

Lets call it: "PS3: Irrelevant point #1"

I just got back a little while ago from the Target in Burbank, CA. The PS3 froze during the basketball demo and the employee opened the glass case for me to reset myself, since she didn't know where the on off button on the back of a playstation is.

The thing had plenty of room on an empty shelf and felt like it was on fire. I'm sure it had been on for a couple hours (this was at noon, so I guess they had been open for three hours). Then after playing not even two laps of motostorm, not even four minutes it reset to the menu screens.

Buggy as hell, or on the verge of breaking after a couple days?

looks like they took some design cues and cooling techniques from their $10,000 1080p projector.

Either that or the projector took it's design cues from the PS3, because the projector is a monster, and the PS3 looks like it would be it's overweight baby

I guess there isn't much to be delighted about the xbox 360 eh? :p

Nice, I sit 3 feet away from my 360 and it's noisy, as is my G5 under my desk. This noisy stuff is getting on my nerves, and I was hoping this was true about the PS3...

I guess I'm the only Joystiq reader to like this news though, as all the 360 fanboys feel the need to talk about USB cables, load times on the 360, and how 'noise' isn't a legitmate concern, which it is to me.

Go look at some Major Nelson porn, would ya fellas?

I think the lack of noise is attributed to the wicked fast 2x drive speed

It's so quiet because it's Blu-Ray drive spins at 2x.

The 360 DVD drive spins at 12x.

I'll take a little extra noise over slow-ass loading times.

Not that the 360 shouldn't be much more quiet, but what a lot of people don't seem to realize is that most of the noise comes from the DVD drive. Run the 360 without a disc and it's pretty quiet. The 360 DVD drive reads data off the discs at twice the speed of the PS3. You get twice the loading speed, but it's noisy, so it's a tradeoff. I suppose they could always slow the drive down in the 360 with a firmware update and it would make it a lot more quiet.

Ah the irony! The PS3 is quiet and cool, but consumes 380 Watts of power, twice what the 360 consumes. I wonder how quickly it will raise the temperature of the standard doorm room, cause my 360 doubles as a space heater in winter.

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/ps3-twice-as-powerhungry-as-xbox-360-211005.php

No, LordMinogue.

The 360 is rated at 5W at 120V (look at Wikipedia or your 360 power supply). That's 600W. That's 50% more than PS3 is rated at (3.2A, or 384W). Both of these are rated power at the wall. These comments that 360 only uses 230W is reading the back of the unit, which is not comparable to using the wall ratings on the back of the PS3, as the PS3 power supply is internal.

That having been said, both will certainly overheat if you put them in an enclosed space. And neither overheats if you don't. But the PS3 is far quieter (fan and optical drive) in both cases.

They certainly seem to have nailed the noise and heat ssue (just don't let those vents get blocked!) Nice engineering. Too bad the system is still butt ugly.

Xbox 1 games running on the 360 are wisper quiet. Anyone know why?

You should have posted "OMFG PS3 SO LOUD. IT'S ON FIRE. MY HOUSE IS CURRENTLY ON FIRE. FUCK SONY!!!" to appease the Nintendo fanboys. Now you lost most of your audience. :D

Some good news, by the way. I will miss replacing my consoles monthly, like the..last one I bought.

The drive in the original Xbox is a 2-5x DVD player.

since when was the 360 loud? do you all play the games with the tv volume turned off? what the hell is wrong with you. the ingame sounds and music will mask any bit of noise that the system makes. my projector is the loud part and even that i dont hear once i am immersed in the games.

"How do you relate noise level, to craftsmanship?

I can make a quiet piece of shit, but that still doesn't change the fact that it is a piece of shit."

Take a look at the following series of videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHS07EFGZ3g&mode=related&search=

And.

You clearly feel that you have been diss'd by Sony; those are issues that you have to work through to heal. Its not good to go through life with so much hate, either deal with it, or move on; dont let it drag you down.

AK,

If you think settling out of court is an admission of fault, you've got a lot to learn about how our legal system works in the real world.

This is certainly contrary to my experience

Went to GameStop today to pick up FFIII, and the PS3 kiosk there was running louder than any console i had ever heard, and certainly louder than the 360 across the room

(although i'm more inclined to believe joystiq in this, as they have a retail unit vs. a kiosk)

Quieter is nice, and so are short load times. But as long as it's not on a handheld where battery/time is more of a concern, I won't sweat the extra seconds, yet equally half the time my speakers are louder than the 360 anyway, so it's up to the user which is more important to them.

Personally, I'm wondering what the hell MS are doing. Not for fear of PS3, because with the shortages and poor launch they won't be much of a threat until more titles/consoles are in stores, but the Wii has built a hype felt throughout the world, with the units and the launch titles to back it up.

My 360 is sitting here in quite a lame state, I hope it can pull out more than GoW to combat this situation, purely because it's feeling like a waste of money compared to the Wii right now. HD-DVD ain't gonna cut it either at that price and severely limited libraries.

Though knowing Sony I look forward to a redesign of the PS3, all tiny(ish) and sleek, that's if they ever produce enough units to even be in contention.

Optimus,

Nice video.
I didn't bother to watch all of them, because I really didn't see the point.
So, now that I know what the inside of a ps3 looks like, how does that change my expierences with sony products in the last decade?

There is no hate here. Just sharing my, and others, personal expierences with sony electronics.
Call it a "Consumer Review" if it makes you feel better.
I stand by my statement though.
Sony doesn't make products like they used to.

Scott,

I have a pretty good idea how our court system works.
(I am a CJ major, and I did a 6 month internship for the 184th district court of Harris County)

Big companies (like sony) settle out of court when they feel that they can't win the case against them.

Back on topic,
I am glad the ps3 is quiet.

You can't judge a company that large across the board on all of their products. You can judge their quality control maybe, but they've been churning out some nice bits of kit in certain areas, like their camcorders are still the best around for example. The factories and the staff are all entirely different throughout the different departments, it's understandable, when a company grows like that expecting them to uphold high standards in all areas is a bit much.

Playstation was a much smaller division even when the PS2s were released, now the PS3 is taking a lot of the company's investment, far more than in the past.

Like how the Xbox is so small to MS, that they didn't really sweat too much when the 360s had faults.

I'll still hold my breath though, seeing PS3s in larger numbers will almost definitely highlight some issues, if not, then kudos.

AK,

I don't want to get into a big thing over this, but a Criminal Justice major doesn't teach you anything about civil litigation. There's a reason it's called "Criminal" Justice. Even disregarding that, a 6 month internship at a district court isn't exposing you to the type of litigation you claim Sony admitted fault on.

Your district court experience is mostly minor criminal matters, traffic tickets, landlord-tenant disputes, and civil lawsuits no greater than $25,000. You're no where near big time corporations getting sued, much less multi-million dollar class action lawsuits.

Big companies like Sony settle out of court for a number of reasons, including public relations, but primarily due to the cost of litigation. Big companies settle out of court all the time knowing full well that they would likely win at trial. But the cost associated with getting to trial is usually far greater than the proposed settlement. Less than 5% of lawsuits actually go to trial. That means 95% either settle out of court or are dismissed. The claim you made suggests that 95% or so of lawsuits are actually valid claims. That couldn't be further from the truth.

I have no idea whether Sony was actually at fault in the class action lawsuit you mentioned, but very few people actually do. Regardless, to say that a company is admitting fault because it settles out of court, you are disregarding scores of legal and corporate logic and strategy.