PlayStation Store download limbo (PS3 annoyance #004)

Wii doesnt have background downloading either.

Well not with system updates anyway. as for VC games, they download really fast so its not as much of an issue.

The world did not need next gen systems yet. Between the 360, PS3, and Wii, everything just feels "rushed" and not complacent. When PS2 came out the the gaming world felt a need for a new system. When Xbox came out the gaming world felt the need for a competitor/alternative to PS2.

Frankly, I am not blown away by any of these systems graphically or game play wise. I believe most of the sports ports play better on the Xbox/PS2 like madden and NBA live.

This is kind of annoying.
How long did it take for the 360 to get background downloading?

Well, at least it gives us a good metric to see how well Sony will respond to its consumer base with patches/fixes/updates.

How long did Microsoft take? Six months, I guess (Fall release to Spring update = 6 months)?

Does wii have background downloadin'?

Sony isn't competing with the Xbox 360 fomr a year ago. It is competing with what is there now. For them to ignore obvious features like this is just stupidity and arrogance. For your extra $200 you get a console that is barely competitive with year old hardware?

Nick, I guess you haven't played Gears of War.

I read that it doesn't support resume downloading either. If you quit a download, supposedly you have to start all over again.

4. Does wii have background downloadin'?

No, it does not, but when you buy a game, it does entertain you by translating packets into coins, with mario running up to them as the data comes in! Yay, coins and blocks!

@Nick
I originally thought 360 was rushed out. So many problems and graphics that weren't really a step up.

But now, playing a 360 is truly next gen. Fire it up, and everything is seamless, this is the living room all in one we were promised. Now they even have new arcade demos that automatically download.

The games and power are there, if you play any PS2/Xbox shooter, and then Gears of War and say there is no graphical step up you are blind. Even playing the almighty Halo2 and then Gears of War, I'm almost annoyed at how old Halo2 seems. (I had this same reaction when I went back and played the original Gran Turismo on my new PS2).

...

Now, I think it is ridiculous that 1 year later, Sony didn't focus all of their energy on testing and retesting the Xbox360. What are people loving, what are they hating. Background downloading, universal friends list, seamless integration, gamer achievments. How did they screw this up?

Also, why release it now, I know the holiday season is a huge thing, but if you only have 100,000 why not wait 6 months and make sure it is perfect. With a June launch, by the Holidays there would be enough to go around and you could really dominate.

Launching with problems, without all of the features, and a crippled launch list, I don't understand it.

Joe Smith has one of the best points I have heard in a long time.

Anybody (usually Sony fanboy) that replies to these criticisms with, "Xbox had the same problems at launch!" simply doesn't understand that that would ok....if they both launched at the same time!

Sony took an extra year and now has to compete with an xbox experience that has had a year to polish itself.

It seems to suggest that MS will always be a step ahead and Sony will now always be playing catch up. (cept maybe in Japan)

This also shows how brilliant Nintendo's marketing has been in trying to create such a different product than the other two since they are now not directly comparable.

#9

LMAO!

PS3 to fanboys: Hey kids, stop all the downloadin'.

"That Sony's new console lacks background downloading and a download queue is maddening. "


Well, you have to undersdtand the reason for that is the ps3 has only one core and processor and that is dedicated to downloading. Its not like it has multiple processors and could just bind the download task to one of the cores..

oh wait..

Hey Joystiq, why dont you take down the 360 annoyances that have been fixed with firmware updates, or just dont make any sense (can't eat my system!?)

The same thing applies with the PS3 and Gamecube.

I am supprised that Sony has not caught onto some aspects of the 360, but in general their online service is holding up fairly well.

Another annoyance that should have been avoided due to Microsoft's experience: The option to avoid directly booting into the disc when you start the PS3.

dam i guess its time to start using a handle here...
/me stabs other Nick
HMM problem fixed.


Personally this was my first and major annoyance when the 360 came out. Now when i first started to download a game on my ps3 i flipped out. Hopefully sony gets to work soon on a firmware update.
Also with the Wii background downloading isn't really a need when VC downloads are quick as shit. Also didn't Nintendo say the console would download updates when the console was "off"?

This is simply unacceptable on Sony's part.. [And yes, I think the Wii should have the ability too, but at least most Wii downloads take mere seconds. (I do have a very fast connection though.)] You should be able to do other things while you're downloading, pause your downloads, and start right back where you left off in the case of a glitch. Not having these features is very disappointing.

Two points...

1 - Because HDD is standard issue.. all PS3 owners can download games out of the box. (Downloading to limited capacity, expensive, proprietary memory cards aint the same.)

2 - PS3 network functionality is free for all. Someone, who gets something for free is less likely to bitch about it.

3 - They better fix this if they expect people to buy and download multi-gig HD movies.

Wii Annoyance: can't store more than 512 mbs of VC downloads. Have to erase and redownload as necessary to "manage your memory".

Note: You don't have to rebuy, just redownload.

"PS3 network functionality is free for all. Someone, who gets something for free is less likely to bitch about it."

I disagree. People complain no matter what. Being free, just makes it hurt more when they complain.

Wii doesn't support background downloading, but I believe it does let you resume a download in the case it gets interupted. For PS3 to not support resume is crazy, considering the high chance of a wireless glitch inbetween a large download session...

S:

how come I can save 2gigs worth of vc stuff on my SD card then?

#17 why would they not auto load the disc? the PSP still does almost 2 years later... Multi-media system my ass...at least give me the option to have it autoload on boot or not.

$24, yeah, especially since the DS gives you that option, and it's not even a multimedia device

/nintendofanboyism

Only 4 annoyances to far…I do not think the Joystiq crew is trying hard enough. Let compare the long list of Xbox 360 annoyances and see if they also apply to the PS3 (and we could also extend these to the Wii just to be fair).

“Insert game name here” Racism (PS3 annoyance #005).

Unless PS3 gamers are more polite than Xbox gamers…then you will have trash talk. Bonus points go to the PS3, as you can hear the trash talk clearer with your expensive USB headsets.

Red Dot, weird beeps, no explanation (PS3 annoyance #006)
More poorly documented flashing lights and error codes.

Failing the boyfriend test (PS3 annoyance #007)
PS3 attracts the opposite sex even less than the 360. (Wii is like Axe body spray in this category)

Painful PS3 texting needs work (PS3 annoyance #008)
PS3 still need to input text with a controller, as it cannot read your mind (yet). Still painfull.

Ring of disc death (PS3 annoyance #009)
To be fair, I do not think that anyone has taken their PS3 and gave it a good shaking while playing games to find out if this is true or not. Anyone willing to give this one a try?

Digital lifestyle from a dumb terminal? Not likely. (PS3 annoyance #010)
Does not provide any extra features than the Xbox 360 does. Once could even say that it actually provided less features.

PS3 console dunked in water to prove it's damned big (PS3 annoyance #011)
While it may not have a huge power supply, the console itself makes up for this. Dunk your console in water and you will notice that it most likely displaces as much water an and Xbox 360 and it power supply combined.

Plastic doesn't taste nearly as good as chocolate (PS3 annoyance #012)
Is the PS3 made of chocolate? NOPE…add another annoyance (fair is fair)

Xbox 360 wireless controllers aren't (PS3 annoyance #013)
Requires wires way more than Xbox 360. The PS3 controllers must be wired to sync it to the unit. Also requires a wire to recharge it, as you cannot use rechargeable batteries

How many PS3s will be returned before it goes the way of the Dreamcast. I think Sony is in big trouble and they know it.

YOU CANNOT SAVE VC GAMES TO YOUR SD CARD! CONSOLE ONLY! I have two Wiis and I'll send screenshots to anyone who wants to prove me wrong.

Pointing at you #22.

Pointing at you, #28

http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2006/111806_wii_softwareupdate_1.x

go to the part titled "New Wii Functionality"

"Along with the update also came the upgraded memory options we predicted earlier today. From the Wii options menu, you can now copy Virtual Console games over to SD cards; if you like, you can also delete the game from the internal memory, leaving it only on the SD card. Note that you will still only be able to play downloaded games on your own console, even from an SD card."

Can't play them from the card, but can definately put them on there.

You can't listen to messages in-game, nor can you play your own music in-game and you expect to have a background download while you play a game?

Get real. It's $600 machine, not a $1000 machine.

Give a PS3 to VC and maybe he could figure out more annoyances since he was quite annoyed by the 360 unless he's a closet Sony fanboy.

James, if vc is a fanboy of anyone, it's microsoft. hell, he even worked there as an intern.

the point is, everyone prefers one console over another. The opinions of the people on joystiq are only a big deal because thousands of people visit daily.

BullCock! If this would have been the 360 it would have been two annoyances instead of one. Being unable to download in the background is one and not being able to resume download another one. 1+1=2, get it right, tards.

Thryon fails at making analogies.


"Failing the boyfriend test (PS3 annoyance #007)
PS3 attracts the opposite sex even less than the 360. (Wii is like Axe body spray in this category)"

Girls are attracted to shiny stuff, so that makes PS3 even more attractive to them. Just make a survey, I already did with my girlfriend and her friends.


"Painful PS3 texting needs work (PS3 annoyance #008)
PS3 still need to input text with a controller, as it cannot read your mind (yet). Still painfull."

You can attach ANY keyboard to PS3. Try not embarrassing yourself next time.

"Ring of disc death (PS3 annoyance #009)
To be fair, I do not think that anyone has taken their PS3 and gave it a good shaking while playing games to find out if this is true or not. Anyone willing to give this one a try?"

Except Sony is not promoting leaving the PS3 vertically as much as Microsoft does with 360. Bummer.

"Digital lifestyle from a dumb terminal? Not likely. (PS3 annoyance #010)
Does not provide any extra features than the Xbox 360 does. Once could even say that it actually provided less features."

Less features? HDMI, Blu-ray out of the box, plays more music and movie formats, you can add any HDD you want, any USB peripheral you want, more content on the online store (well, you're talking out of your ass on most "annoyances", so why can't I? Fair is fair, right?). Not to mention that the Xbox 360 will never be endorsed to become a full-fledged computer because that would hurt Microsoft; PS3 is already a full-fledged computer if you install Linux, which is free. You can work on PS3, play on PS3 AND develop on PS3. Not to mention that it has much better backwards compatibility, and the games you can download for it are bigger than just 50 Megabytes.

"PS3 console dunked in water to prove it's damned big (PS3 annoyance #011)
While it may not have a huge power supply, the console itself makes up for this. Dunk your console in water and you will notice that it most likely displaces as much water an and Xbox 360 and it power supply combined."

That's most likely false, since the PS3 is barely larger than Xbox 360. Furthermore, the point of criticizing the HUGE power brick is that it is annoying to have something hanging like dog testicles out of your console for basic functionality. You know, like the HD-DVD drive.

"Xbox 360 wireless controllers aren't (PS3 annoyance #013)
Requires wires way more than Xbox 360. The PS3 controllers must be wired to sync it to the unit. Also requires a wire to recharge it, as you cannot use rechargeable batteries"

Xbox 360 annoyance #14:

You actually need to buy batteries, whether rechargeable or not. Unlike PS3's controller.

The controller that couldn't (Xbox 360 annoyance #15):

No next-gen functionality, unlike Wii or PS3.

Street fighter is unusable without a proper D-pad. (Xbox 360 annoyance #16):

'Nuff said.

@ ahtheirony

Take it easy all. My argument was not that Sony is bad, is that these Annoyances are dumb and subjective. Every console will have some good features and some bad features, but should these not be listed in some comprehensive review. To argue that a console is not edible is lame and it is very hard to take Joystiq seriously on any comment after such a post.

I could argue with you on every counter-point you made (my wife finds both consoles ugly and prefers the Wii. You can hook-up any keyboard to the 360 as well...and I am not embarrased. When my batteries are dead, I pop in fresh ones, and continue playing wirelessly while the others recharge.....etc), but that was not the point of my post.

I already posted once my mind about how useless these posts are...and I got a -STAR for my efforts. Joystiq does not like to be criticized.

PS/ Joystiq, you once mentioned that you would gladly remove the background downloading annoyance for the Xbox once corrected....well, action speak louder than words you know. I expect you to remove it for the PS3 as well once they resolve that glitch.

#30

Yet a $300 console manages all of that. Shame on Sony.

For all of you who rather not pay a measily 50$ a year now know why its free. Go to the back of the line buddy. Just like the ones that don't pay at Fileplanet.Com

"Not to mention that the Xbox 360 will never be endorsed to become a full-fledged computer because that would hurt Microsoft; PS3 is already a full-fledged computer if you install Linux, which is free. You can work on PS3, play on PS3 AND develop on PS3."

okay, this one is just rubbish. The PS3 is not a "full fledged computer" a full fledged computer has the ability to be customized and upgraded. Can you put a DVD burner in the PS3? can you add another gig of RAM? Can you go buy a new CPU? NO. Can you run iTunes on the PS3 and buy songs for your iPod? No. Can I go buy Doom 3 for linux and run it on the PS3? HELL NO. Where would I get video drivers? Audio Drivers? Huh?

The PS3 is NOT and CANNOT become a "full fledged computer" it is AT MOST capable of becoming a very limited linux box due to all the reasons above, which makes it no more of a "full fledged PC" than the original XBOX.

You can also develope for 360, in the much more suitable XNA software that is actually supported by MS and not some half-assed homebrew app.

I'll never understand people who want to turn there console into a hacked ass fucked up voided warranty semi-PC. Even if sony does say they "support" linux on the PS3, that doesn't mean they are going to fully back it. Sony simply isn't THAT dedicated to the PS3 in the way that MS and Apple are dedicated to Windows and MacOS. Sure, it's cool if your using it simply for media functionality and playing a couple Nintendo ROMS, but it is nothing compared to an actual full-blown PC.

#30 PhillyRampage:
It may not be $1000, but according to analsts in the following link, it's actually an $805 and $840 machine:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/16/analysis-sony-losing-240-on-every-ps3/

Funny how my 3 year old PC that only cost me $650 back then can accomplish all those feats, not to meantion my 360 can too.

Can be fixed within days by an update if Sony got it together. Microsoft launched the 360 with mediocre dashboard features like 'single downloads only' as well.

I gotta give Sony some leeway on this one... If months go past with no updates, then I'll consider it dropping the ball. Like the Zune not having video playback at launch.

A) 360 was less mediocre at launch then ps3; and considering the year and $100-$200 differnce, thats really lame

B) anyone who thinks tha the sony online is comparible to xbox live is smoking really grat crack - please share!

Typoical - the cows are out apologising for sony. You would have thought that at luanch things would be going better and all us people giving sony crap with be eating our words... odd its still the other way around.

@ 41 - NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Sony deserves ZERO leeway. They delayed their console more then once but atleast 6 months. They also had a competitor to wathc for a year to see what they did right or wrong.

So what do we have here? crap luanch with only one good game who aveage reviwe scoew is only like 88 or 89% (Resistance); botches features across the board and just a sense that things are rushed or just not read yet?

Gee, they really spend that past year of xbox 360 and the past 6 months of their own delay REALLY well! :-P

(last parapraph is sarcasm, for those with only two fighting brains cells)

"okay, this one is just rubbish. The PS3 is not a "full fledged computer" a full fledged computer has the ability to be customized and upgraded. Can you put a DVD burner in the PS3? can you add another gig of RAM? Can you go buy a new CPU? NO. Can you run iTunes on the PS3 and buy songs for your iPod? No. Can I go buy Doom 3 for linux and run it on the PS3? HELL NO. Where would I get video drivers? Audio Drivers? Huh?

The PS3 is NOT and CANNOT become a "full fledged computer" it is AT MOST capable of becoming a very limited linux box due to all the reasons above, which makes it no more of a "full fledged PC" than the original XBOX.

You can also develope for 360, in the much more suitable XNA software that is actually supported by MS and not some half-assed homebrew app.

I'll never understand people who want to turn there console into a hacked ass fucked up voided warranty semi-PC. Even if sony does say they "support" linux on the PS3, that doesn't mean they are going to fully back it. Sony simply isn't THAT dedicated to the PS3 in the way that MS and Apple are dedicated to Windows and MacOS. Sure, it's cool if your using it simply for media functionality and playing a couple Nintendo ROMS, but it is nothing compared to an actual full-blown PC. "


No, it's not rubbish. You can't actually add RAM and a new CPU to every single computer in the market (most people don't really upgrade anyway). And guess what? They are still full-blown PCs because they perform what we need them to perform. You can even add a bigger hard drive, one of your choice (unlike xbox 360), and use the peripherals of your choice (like any Mouse and Keyboard) through USB. Why wouldn't you be able to use a DVD burner in combination with Linux anyway?

Point in case is: You can buy a PS3 for home use. You can navigate the internet seamlessly, you can actually work on it with FreeOffice, you have a programming interface as in almost any Linux distro (even if it's basic, it'll probably works for Net Yaroze), and you can watch nearly every media-file. Hell, you could probably use Windows Messenger on it, something you can't on Xbox 360. This is all NOW, not "later, maybe...".

Combine all these features with an excellent gaming console, which has Resistance: Fall of Man and will happen to have Lair, White Knight Story, Heavenly Sword, Virtua Figher 5, Afrika, Final Fantasy XIII, and Versus XIII, and Metal Gear Solid 4. Maybe even Shadow of the Colossus 2, Dragon's Quest IX, Kingdom Hearts 3 and God of War 3. Want more? PS1 and PS2 games. Oh, it just happens to also play Blu-ray movies.

If I knew how to use Linux properly, I'd dump my computer right now. It's old anyway, so perhaps soon I will switch entirely to PS3. For what I need a computer, I can save some dough and do everything on my TV.

It reminds me of the PSP and its downloading, which is annoying...

Your comments: I too am dumping my old computer (which has been running fedora for
the past 3 years) for the PS3. I have to deal with microsoft
products daily and have to support 40 people with there MS pains
(PcMS?). It is a breath of fresh air having a company willing to
think outside the box and allow people the freedom to use a open
source operating system on a true multimedia computer. Back in the
80's, the first multitacking, multimedia computer was buried by Gates
inc. Shure, I can buy an off-the-shelf PC to run linux, but what is
the fun in that? Having an excuse to get a blue-ray player, a
compact computer and gaming machine is great. Sure, I could pay 600$
for an Xbox360 with HD-DVD player but I guess I JUST DON"T LIKE MS
PRODUCTS.

Wow how quickly we all forget. Every release for every new system from the PS1 onward has had release issues. everything from bad psu's to microsoft selling nothing better than overly warm doorstops for the frist month or so of the 360. its the next gen expansion growing pains, happens every time. and those of you that say we didnt need a next gen yet WOW get off the B/W tv's and move into the present, or hell get your prescription filled. any way point is IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME get over it. it'll all get ironed out in the end it allways does. besides would u rather have your system now or have to wait another 3-6 mos for things theyll just update in firmware anyway.