American Technology Research believes that Sony may have only shipped 125,000 to 175,000 PS3 units in North America at launch, 15K of which were sent to retail as demo kiosks. That's far cry from the originally planned 400,000 number. If true, this estimate is in line with November 14 analyst predictions that Sony would be unable to hit its already limited launch inventory.The report also suggests Sony won't be able to hit its desired 2 million units shipped by year's end, and they don't expect the company to adjust forecasts: "To be crystal clear, we don't expect it likely that Sony will update any of its hardware numbers before it reports its December quarter in late January. We believe that the December NPD report of North American November retail hardware is shaping up to be 125k to 175k, but outside of NPD and other local (Japan) market reports, we expect Sony to remain mum and focus on delivering units to retail."
We'd stay mum too, otherwise, BB-gun enthusiasts would be bustin' some caps up on Sony headquarters.
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400 k was shipped between Canada and the US. You should probally cross out "North America" and put the "US".
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just stop lying to ur loyal customers!!
I have a feeling that Europe launch is gonna get pushed even further
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He walked out with a PS3
THis was not even 15 minutes ago
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I feel sorry for your brother
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Why? All three consoles are good.
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just stop lying to ur loyal customers!!
I have a feeling that Europe launch is gonna get pushed even further"
Sony's not the one posting BS to suit their fanboy needs (i.e. Joystiq and Kotaku).
How are they lying? They did ship 400k. It was split between the US and Canada.
Europe will get theirs by Spring...
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The article is bullshit. That's what I'm trying to say. There were 400 k shipped to North America. It was split between Canada and the US. Use your common sense. Stores would only have 1 unit per store if there were only 175,000 per store in the US and Canada. I guess Joystiq and man analysts don't use their common sense though...
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Then wait until the price drops...
Sony has gotten everything together. People don't seem to realize that half of the bad press you see is BS.
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If they did ship 400K then there should have been 360K to the US, not 175K. Canada usually gets around a 10% share, or 40K.
Also, I heard Sony's target for Christmas is now 1 million, not 2.
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'nuff said
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If you’re going to say the article is lying then you should back it up with something other than your own words.
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Sure I could wait untill the price drops, but I am done waiting. I want to play now so 360 is what i have purchased. If the games get better in the future on the PS3 and sony drop the price i will think again but for now im really happy with 360, many of my friends have one and online is awesome. I f blue dragon turns out to be cool and MGS comes to 360 then I wont even give ps3 another thought
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Now it's all about receiving the bad numbers and bad press, as Sony deserves it for conning their customers since before E3 2005.
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In fact, Canada was estimated to only get 32,000 PS3s on launch day. That estimate was from Mark Levitan, a spokesperson for Sony Canada. And given the most retailers reported that their allotments were drastically cut just days before the product launch, I suspect the actual number of consoles shipped for launch was far less than 32,000.
The original information about the amount of units projected for Canada can be found here: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/11/17/ps3-shortage.html
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It's funny how B33 is now saying that "all consoles are good" when just a couple months ago it was all sony, all the time. Given him a couple more months, maybe he'll switch teams again and be a 360/Wii fanboy instead.
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I think I'm going to start posting as ">" by registering another gmail account.
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'nuff said"
No 400k did ship. And again, use your common sense. There would have been only 1 per store if the amount stated in the article did ship. And calling someone a fanboy (when their not) doesn't change the fact that 400k did ship.
"Webrunner, don't waste your time. Its a well known fact that both B33 and > are merely Sony fanbois trying to find a glimmer of hope in the waste that is the PS3. Logic does not get through to them."
Stop pulling the shitty "YOUR A FANBOY" card and grow up. I plan buying all three systems. I don't see why people need to be complete douche bags and diss and tell lies about a company when their not that bad. You know, the PS3 is $500-$600. You know what? Stop whining like a little bitch and telling lies and get over it. The price will go down. Stop bitching about something that's only temporary. Stop saying things like "it's a well known fact that B33 and > is a fanboy" when you don't that for sure and your only saying it because our opinion differs from yours. And especially when your completely wrong.
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look im not anti sony, but they have been making bad moves left and right. and things are not going to get magically better.
the unthinkable is now plausible, mgs4 on the 360?
that would pretty much kill the ps3
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You would think that if Sony shipped 400,000 units in North America, they would have sold that many because they are sold out.
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Has the Acutal figures as we speak
360: 7,289,876
PS3: 275,509
wii: 740,901
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This is one of the dumbest statements I've read in a long time. The article states, on the high end, 175K units shipped. You say this would work out to 1 per store, indicating there were 175K stores across North America to carry the PS3, a ludicrous statement by itself.
However, let's play along and say you're right, i.e. 175K stores did carry the PS3. If 400K units shipped, then each store would've only have 2-3 units on average! Just as nonsensical since most stores had more than that, with some stores having as many as 30. You sir, are an idiot.
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There are more then 100,000 electronic retailers out there. And keep in mind that PS3's also shipped to Targets and Wal-Marts. both have a lot of stores scattered about the US.
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Yes you are correct but they are also the best form of figures available and close enought to the truth. I think if the PS3 had sold 400k in the US and 80+k in Japan then the figures would reflect this dont you.
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Best Buy/Future Shop = 1100 stores in N.A.
Gamestop/EBgames/Funco = ~4500 stores WORLDWIDE
Circuit City = ~600 stores in N.A.
Walmart and their affiliates = ~4000 stores in NA
Target = ~1500 locations in NA
These are your biggest electronic retailers in NA
They equal ~12000 locations.
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How can a company be trusted when they push such vagaries on the people that are supposed to be making the system happen? If they won't proudly show off the numbers to their own staff, do you really think they managed anywhere near the numbers they promised??
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Best Buy/Future Shop = 1100 stores in N.A.
Gamestop/EBgames/Funco = ~4500 stores WORLDWIDE
Circuit City = ~600 stores in N.A.
Walmart and their affiliates = ~4000 stores in NA
Target = ~1500 locations in NA
These are your biggest electronic retailers in NA
They equal ~12000 locations"
If those numbers are accurate, then that would justify the article...
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Exactly
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Manalysts?
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Those two statements contradict one another. Even if you're right and half of Sony's bad press is unfounded (doubtful), the truthful half would still be enough to show that the company hasn't gotten its act together.
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Who needs Wiki?
Target: 1494 stores in 47 states
http://investors.target.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=65828&p=irol-homeProfile
Best Buy: 940 in US _and_ Canada
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=83192&p=IROL-IRhome
Gamestop/EB Games: 4,400 in USA _and_ 15 other countries worldwide
http://www.ebgames.com/gs/newinvest/
Its really not hard to find. Just go to the company's website and click on "About Us" or "Invester Relations" or something like that, usually located on the bottom.
This is why it is important to check SOURCES before claiming there are 150,000 electronic stores in America... or to just think a little before posting would help too. If there were 150,000 eletronic stores/department stores in the USA alone, then there would be (on average) 3,000 in EACH STATE, which is just ridiculous.
There is no way Sony met their own expectations. If they did, they would be proudly proclaiming it. But since they aren't, they obviously botched it up, big time.
First it was millions by Spring, then it was millions by the end of the year, then it was half a mil by the end of the year, and now its... 200,000? Thats just lame.
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Um, check the Joystiq post two above this one.
"Sony Computer Entertainment America couldn't be more pleased with the response we have seen from consumers since the launch of PLAYSTATION 3 on Friday."
Of course, their PR statement won't reflect what their reaction is like behind closed doors, so it's next to meaningless.
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2: Canada was going to get about 30-40K
3: A few days before the shipment, almost all stores had their orders cut down drastically by Sony. (about half, from what I hear)
1+2: US was going to get about 360K
2+3: Canada actually got around 15K.
2+3+1: US actually got around 180K
If you want a simpler reasoning:
1: Each store was to get X systems when 400K was going to ship.
2: Each store got less than their allotted X systems
1+2: 400K did not ship.
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Plain and simple: prove to us that 400,000 consoles shipped to North America for the November 17th launch day. Regurgitating Sony PR will not cut it. The writing is on the wall that less than 200,000 shipped, now make us believe it isn't so.
Oh, and B33, 6 months ago you WERE proproting that the PS3 would destroy the 360/Wii. Why so somber about all three now? I am led to believe that even you are losing loyalty to Sony. Welcome to the light. Embrace it.
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