BusinessWeek's Wildstrom: "PS3 is a winner"

Oh yes flash, it's obviously so much better than the 360. You and ">" make me laugh. Please tell me if you belong to Sonydefenseforce.com, because I do, and I would love to flame the hell out of your asses. My name on their is the same as it is on here.
So, please provide me a link stating, in english (not bat-shit crazy fanboy talk) why the PS3 is so much better than the PS3.

P.S. Good luck with that link, considering it's hard to find factual evidence for an opinion. Face the fact that maybe the reviewers aren't as ready to eat the Sony bullshit pie that so many of you fanboys grovel in

You don't have to be a “gamer” to recognize a good console or bad console. Many gamers get side tracked into insignificant details.

PS3 has what many consider a steep price going against it. People who are not willing to pay up will justify not purchasing the system by making a big deal out of minor faults. Currently there is only one problem of concern with the PS3 and that is HDTV compatibility. What about dead consoles at launch? Yes, it is unfortunate but it's hard to knock one company for it when all companies have had this problem.

@Daniel

I don't believe you. I think you're one of the new breed Sony fanboys. Gone is the PS3 is god like crap and now you pretend to own a 360 and while you "like" it, it just doesn't hold up to the PS3. It's a load of crap.

I have owned a 360 since launch. I know around 10 other people who purchased a 360 within 3 months of launch. Want to guess how many of us have had our 360's die? 0 (Zero). Yes maybe thats just good luck but I always find it odd that people who "like" the 360 but LOVE their PS3's seem to know 50 people who have had their 360's die. It makes no sense.

On to Gears of War... Having now beat the game multiple times and spent a countless amount of time playing multiplayer I have NEVER had my 360 freeze while playing this game nor have I even heard about someone's 360 freezing while playing Gears. While you did not address this it fits here, I'm tired of hearing about Resistance multiplayer being better, sure it has 40 people but where's the co-op? I'm sick of death match because I'm not 12 and don't get to sit at home and practice all day... oh and by the way all the parents who bought their prepubescent children Gears you need to be shot. (On a side note while I have thouroghly enjoyed Gears its lasting potential is a little weak)

I admit my time spent with a PS3 has been limited to about 1 hour. The whole time was a friend of a friend showing us Resistance. My initial thought on the PS3 was damn that thing is big. After I got over that I enjoyed my time with the PS3 but can't say I could justify $600 for it. Or even $400. It comes off as a solid system but nothing more than the 360 I have owned for a year. And I really don't see the appeal to Resistance... not saying its a bad game but I guess I was just expecting more after what I had been hearing.

Which leads me to the finale... the new breed Sony Fanboy gushes over their PS3 while claiming to like their 360 and not be said Sony fanboy which is completley illogical. ANYONE who owns a 360 and a PS3 right now would have to say that at this moment in time the 360 is superior. Will this hold true in 6 months possibly not but right now saying that a system that has had refinements and is in its second generation of games is less than a system that has been out a week and has one game that anyone is talking about is ludicrous.

So stop. If you're going to be a fanboy jump in the deep end. Where's azn1080p that guy needs to come back and set his fanboy buddies straight. This failed attempt at pretending you don't have preconceived notions as to which system you like best is BS. I'm not saying the 360 will win this generation, I don't even know if I care who wins, I like the games I'm playing now. However, I am completely sick of these illogical arguments that are being made by the Sony fanbase. If you are going to lie do your research and make plausible statements. You and all of your friends 360's have died so many times you can't count and to top it all off it freezes 33% of the time you play?!?! It's a load of crap! If my 360 did that I would toss it in the garbage.

Get to college (or if by some chance you are in college) take a course on logic and argument. Come back and then convince us all how while you like your 360 (which apparently may stab you in your sleep) the PS3 with its release games and your 1 week knowledge of the system is the superior choice.

Oh, please! This guy will endorse anything... just look at this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH1PJTY9AVA

JR

I think I'm the only person in the world to wonder why Sony is calling the PS3 controller "Sixaxis".

I mean, come on. XYZ = 3.

Unless of course, Sony is so awesomely powerful, they created a whole new set of physics and laws of nature.

I have to be honist with every one on here all the new gen consoles ar good. What people should do is just find system that they want and if they don't like it take it back or sell it on ebay. People really shouldn't dislike systems because they should just be payin attention on there system. Early today my friend and i were aguing over this game he said there's only NBA 07 and i said there's also and NBA live 07 he said NBA live 07 is just a new NBA 07 ( what a dumbass) so i think people should just shut up and think about there own crap. My oppinoin is that PS3 is the best system but listen that oppinion can change or i might be wrong but hey that's me people need to just leave it at that.

The ridiclousness on Joystiq about illogical console side-taking - primarily the visitors - has gotten out of control.

I don't have a problem with Alan's comments on this post - it is always wise to consider the source and potential biases of any reviewer. However, there have been similiar reviews hyping up the Wii and 360 - and on NEITHER occasion has anyone pointed out the fact that these reviewers are just as "non-gamer-savvy" as this poor looking guy.

For every > that goes way too far and discredits his own arguments and opinion by childish writing tendancies...there are 20 or more doing the same for the Wii! I know a lot of the more intelligent/respectable posters have more or less gone silent as of late in embarassment that people who are jumping on the Wii bandwagon are making the rest look bad. Some people cry that Sony bought the review, others make strange, moronic, and paranoid descriptions of "the new PS3 fanboy", whatever that is. People just CAN'T accept the notion that the PS3 could be a rational choice for the best console to have. It is pathetic.

Here's the deal. No one's going to say that, if you compare all the games out for the PS3/360/Wii right, now, the PS3's lineup is the best (I would personally rank it 2nd, but that's only because I can't stand any Zelda game post-LttP.) Objectively, the 360's line up of the past year would trump the Wii's one good game + garbage, which would edge out the PS3's fairly good game + sports games + real stinky garbage. And that presents a problem for Sony, because lots of reviewers this holiday season are going to look at the short term and think the console is a bust. But if you look at what titles are *going* to become available, the PS3 looks like a much better choice. It is very possible to prefer the 360 exclusives to the PS3 ones, but I and many others will see the PS3 as having a superior lineup (especially if we have PC, and can get the 360's "console exclusives" anyways). And when you consider the lack of online charges, and Cell's potential, and better out of the box hardware, and BR, and more hardware options...how is it so surprising that some (a ridiclously high number of people, when you look at the 360's pitiful sales numbers) are passing on the 360?

As for the Wii - yeah, we get it. You're excited to be in on a fad. You missed Doc Martins and wearing your hat backwards, but you're gonna be on the ground floor for this one. We're all very happy for you. We hope that you'll still feel the same way in 4 years when only 5 or 6 A-level games have ever been released for your system, and they all have "Zelda", "Mario", and "Smash Bros" in the title. In the mean time, could you tone down the shrill harping, and borrowed-from-Apple obnoxious attitude about your totally hip white piece of electronics..and just go enjoy your games (err...game)? No, not every Wii fanatic is hypocritical and obnoxious - but truckloads of them around here seem to be.

So please, if you're going to continue to go to ridiclous lengths to bash Sony for taking risks in making a powerful, long lasting machine, or for trying to make money (since neither Microsoft nor Nintendo care about that!)...then at least do it with a little more sophistication, ok? And just because one analyst happens to disagree with your groupthink, it doesn't mean you have to respond as if you were all laughing at the slow kid in gym class....this strange need y'all have to eliminate all difference of opinion.

Wow-
That was just a bad article.

He's just regurgitating Sony hype all over the place. I have no problem with praise for any console as long as it is substantiated with good data and experience. He obviously has neither.

He provides no solid evidence for his claim that PS3 is a "winner". He admits that he has only played 3 games long enough to figure out the controls...so, 10 minutes? Up to an hour each if he is both a nongamer and a retard?

In fact, most of the things he says about PS3 are negative or skeptical, but then he goes on to blindly praise it anyways. The only true positive statement he makes about the games is that the graphics are good and it played smooth.

He says "the graphic details and effects on a high-def display were by far the best I've seen on a game console" but I question exactly how many games he has played on ANY console. It doesnt seem like he has that much of a basis for comparison; he is just some dumbfounded boob who is impressed by all the pretties on the screen.

He could have at least played the games substantially and given them a full and honest review that says more than "they was purty, and I could control things".

His opinion, if it even is that, is horribly underinformed, and he makes that very clear.

If he wants to sit down with the games for at least longer than it takes "to learn how the controls worked", and then actually do some background work with Wii and 360 as well (and no, his cheapshots and misleading information do not indicate background work; leave that BS to the fanboys) then I will take what he writes seriously.

Ryan - is there anything I can say that will make you realize I'm not a 'fanboy' of any sort? Believe it or not, the last Sony system I owned was a PS1, and I only received the PS3 through work (I work at a gaming site - another reason I go out of my way to NOT be biased to one system or another). And as I already mentioned, I'm to this day surprised as hell by how much I like the PS3.

The 360 has so much to offer and I can't possibly see it being a bad thing if a gamer decides to buy it. They can't lose. All I'm saying, though, is that I think in the long run the PS3 is the better choice of the two. You can completely disagree if you'd like - no skin off my back. I do think it's both unfair and quite lame to call me a fanboy, when I own all three next-gen systems and have been singing the praises of all three. But if it makes you feel better, by all means, continue.

I don't 'make up' stories about friends' 360s conking out. I had one get the 'red light of death' less than a week after launch, and one just replaced his. I've had to switch mine less than a month ago as well. If you're going to tell me that the 360 launch was ideal, then I think I should quit arguing with you right now. It's like me telling you that the PS3 has the best software launch lineup of the three, which it definitely didn't.

Anywho, enough of my ranting. I appreciate everyone with real questions who aren't accusing me or others of being a 'fanboy'. If anyone else has questions for me or comments in general, I'd love to hear them.

his teeth are really yellow. Owned

Socrates

Well considering the new Sony fanboy thing came from my post I would like to respond.

It's not really paranoia and I would prefer not to think of myself as moronic, though you are free to think what you would like.

My post had more to do with watching a frustrating pattern that I have seen occurring around the web. Way back when the PS3 was coming out Spring 06 and it had 2 HDMI ports and whatever else I thought man thats a sweet sounding system. I very thouroghly enjoyed my PS and PS2 and was excited to see what looked a great system coming our way.

As the 360 came out I found the Sony fanbase to be often a little fanatical (not that there aren't plenty of fanatical MS people and I don't even know if fanatical brushes the surface of many Nintendo fans). What began to bother me was as Sony started failing to deliver on what was promised the Sony fans didn't seem to grasp it. By no means do I think people should have abandoned their hopes of having a PS3, but the blind faith started to bother me.

And as blind faith has the tendency to do the hardcore Sony fanbase started attacking anything and everything around them that did not adhere to their beliefs. Look at any Joystiq post that reports something less than stellar about the PS3 and there will always be at least 1 post saying Joystiq is biased. Joystiq sums up and links the readers to what others have reported on which is news created by Sony. Sony made the bad news, no one else. However the hardcore seem to feel that anyone against there system needed to be attacked. This is what actually made me not want to support Sony, not Sony's failures but the unbelievable anger and often times disregard for the facts of the fans that represent them.

Back to the original purpose. My feeling of a new breed of Sony hardcore fan. Up until the release of the PS3 most of the angry fanboys of Sony swore that anyone who was not a supporter of their system would rue the day of its release. They stuck by their guns and swore that the PS3 would be the second coming blowing the 360 out of the water as they would never own something made by that monopolistic tyrrant M$.

Well the PS3 came out. No longer was this a mythical creature, people got their hands on it and could see for themselves what it was all about.

And then all the angry fanboys disappeared. Their end all of a system wasn't, it was just another game system. They couldn't come to the boards and rub it in everyone's face that everyone but them was wrong. Then the birth of the new sony fanboy came they no longer despised other systems, in fact, most seem lucky enough to own all 3. No longer was it a blow out but more that the PS3 was better than the 360 they also owned. Where did all the anger go? Where did the attitude of 360 being half the power of the PS3 go? It evolved, because once the PS3 was available no one could lie to themselves anymore. In the end it was just a console. But losing a battle doesn't mean losing the war, so the new Sony fanboy claims that they own a 360 and a Wii and they relate their horror stories (360 dying, Wii motion sensing not as accurate) while commenting on how the PS3 is going strong.

Anyway this has run on way to long. So as you can see I don't really feel paranoia about the new fanboy just more of a warning that the hatred (that really is probably way to strong of a word for this) and blind faith is still their but now hidden behind a veil of "I'm just a person who happens to like all the systems, but...".

And as someone who posts with the handle Socrates, I would think you would be appreciative of posts that use some basic logic. Rereading my original post it does come off angry and I do attack the statements of the poster because they appear to be falacies. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I just would prefer people use facts and logic in their defense/attempt to get others to be fans as they are, instead of lies and deciet.

Of course having gone back and reread your post maybe you only like posts from people who are not paranoid morons (such as myself) or people who are just jumping on fads, I mean they don't see the potential in the Cell (hopefully someone does find that potential because quite honestly the Cell is not a great gaming processor) or don't see that the PS3 games of the future will be superior.

But defending Sony while attacking others groupthink (by the way I do appreciate the fact that your posts are well written and you do use things such as groupthink correctly) is pretty damn funny.

Feeling the desperation there, Soap Crates?

The Playstation 3 has yet to prove itself as the long-lasting console that Sony claims it to be. Reviewers- reviewers who've actually spent more than an hour with the system, not Orson Welles here- have stated that they've seen no appreciable difference in the quality between PS3 and Xbox 360 games.

The only major difference is Blu-Ray, and that high-capacity disc format will only make a difference in the quality of full-motion video, and in the few ultra-high-budget games that can take full advantage of it. To put things into perspective, the dazzling action-RPG Oblivion, which takes over a hundred hours to beat, uses only seven gigs of a nine gig dual-layer DVD.

Sony likes to crow that the PS3 is "future-proof," but the fact of the matter is, a system can't really be future-proof if it can't survive the first two years after its release. Production of the PS3 hardware has been painfully slow. It's a nightmare to code for the system's Cell processor. It's at LEAST two hundred dollars more than its competitors, a disincentive when considering a next-gen purchase. Games that were once exclusive to the PS3 have since spread to other consoles.

Spin it however you like, but the Playstation 3 is in big trouble. Once that new car smell wears off and it becomes just another console, gamers will flock in droves to its cheaper competitors. With so many economically priced alternatives available, nobody in their right mind is going to pay two hundred extra dollars solely for the privilege of owning a Sony product.

JR

Daniel

Heh, well I apologize. I am truly sorry. I have just seen a lot of posts lately that fit a pattern. Your post fit that pattern. Talk about bad luck that the post that set me off happened to be fully genuine.

My post was angry, bad day at work, bad timing, just bad. I'm always happy when someone enjoys gaming.

By no means do I think the 360's launch was good or even ok. That truly sucks that you have had such horrendus luck with the reliability of the 360. I guess for my groups good luck there must be a group out there with equally bad luck.

I'm sorry that I refrenced you in my post. I at no point was attacking you as I was attacking this trend of Sony fanboys I have seen lately, sadly your post just happen to be read by me at the wrong time.

However I will have to disagree with you about attacking fanboys (while apologizing for saying you were a fanboy when you are not), I'm sick of them, I don't think they are good for gaming and the Sony ones seem to have methods that aggrevate me more than the rest.

And yes as odd as it may seem I have no problem with someone who went in with an open mind and liked the PS3 the better than the rest, what bothers me are people who decided last year that the PS3 (or 360 or Wii) is the best and refuse to even think about another option. I just believe decisions should be based on facts and not myths.

Again I truly apologize.

I own a PS3, and I'm fully prepared to defend the system's greatness.

That being said...


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... Resistance is over.. SHIT

Socrates,

Come on man, get off it. This whole "Wii won't last 4 years" line is already so very tired. I would buy a Wii if it didn't play any new games and just allowed access to the virtual console. Now obviously to each his own and I can respect that. I had a 360, traded it in for my Wii, but I will undoubtedly buy one again. I won't even think about touching a PS3 for about 2 years, after that we'll see how Blu-Ray is doing.

If you see the PS3 as the up-and-coming victor, that's cool, you like FMVs. Say you're partial to the 360, okay, futuristic marines pique your interest, whether they be in the cold (Lost Planet), underground (Gears of War), or in space (Halo 3). If you want a heavy dose of nostalgia and quirky gameplay then maybe the Wii is your thing. The point is that all 3 systems do what they do very well. Just decide what you like.

Your little "fad" argument is where you get completely ridiculous. The problem with most Sony and Microsoft fanboys is that you guys just haven't earned it yet. Your little Xbox and PlayStation things have been going on for what now? 5 and 10 years, respectively? Big fucking deal. I hope the Wii is a "fad", just like the ipod. And let's face it. The Nintendo guys weren't the ones concerned with backward hats and Doc Martens. Those were the future drunken frat boys of America, a.k.a. Sony and Microsoft's main demographic.
Why the hell is it called an "Xbox"? Because "X"s are EXTREME!!!!
Why is "360" tagged on the end? Because 360s are EXTREMER!!!!
SIXAXIS? Palindromes are the SHIT!!!!
Four dimensions? This thing can travel through time!!!
True HD? For the 13 of you that actually give a shit and buy into our propaganda!!!

Come on man. This time Sony is the frat boy and you're the chic getting date-raped. Maybe if you love Sony enough you can change it.

Absolutely no worries Ryan. I don't think any form of entertainment has fans as .... er, fanatical as video games. It's all good - and I agree with you. There of course are fanboys out there - the ones who do play only one system and dub it The Greatest Thing Ever, or who, as you say, christen a console #1 when it has yet to be released.

You can see quite a few of those comments in this story here. It's just a matter of setting them apart from the people who know what they're talking about and aren't blinded by one game, one system or one company.

Just another loser who needs to keep his mouth shut about things he ADMITTIDLY knows nothing about. The PS3 is not a "winner". It has almost no units on market, has maybe 1 game worth playing, no force feedback, and has yet to prove it can offer anything the 360 can't. It is a horriblely failure that MIGHT recover, but I doubt it. Missing not 1, but 2 holiday seasons is going to create a rift with gamers and developers alike that will be extremely hard to overcome. Not to mention being $200 dollars more at MSRP and not really being able to show much for it other than subpar Blu-Ray, of which, IMO, HD-DVD is better anyway. I just can't help but believe that even if they manage to get consoles on shelves in 6 months or so, they are going to be doing a whole lot of sitting there, at least outside Japan. And god forbid you ask a European their opinion of Sony ATM.

And history, sixaxis has something to do with WWII.

Brian, it’s three axis for tilt, and three more ‘axis’ (actually, directions) for movement (acceleration).

~Grauw

fuck you joystick.. i'm boycotting you.. go ahead and trash talk the true next generation just cuz microsoft is your little pal... how much they paying you huh.. this is ridiculous.. ever hear of news being neutral.. f-u-c-k-y-o-u-j-o-y-s-t-i-c-k

if anyone complains about the price again, i'll fucking donkey punch you.. it's effin 200$.. you know.. the exact price of adding an hd dvd drive to your precious m$ 360.. they're the same price in my mind.. and if you complain about the price.. then you're a sad poor schmuck.. i got money to burn.. and i'll be burning it on a ps3.. and a lot of gear to go with it.. and i don't even game often.. i'ma do it just to support sony.. because their product is better... period.. get over your poor asses and quit protecting your old tech.

Socrates,

You my friend, are no better than the ones you preach (which is exactly what it sounds like) against.

You disclaim >'s posts as immature drivel and yet use all his main points and bullets in your anti-nintendo rants. Pot, meet kettle.

Essentially, we get it - you don't like the Wii. Now will you please STFU and stop the sermons?

Thanks.

@ 69

That doesn't make any sense. You cannot define an accelerometer's function as an "axis". And even if you could, there's only one set of directives, not three. That would be, to calculate the acceleration of the controller from A to B.

Secondly, "tilt" as you described it, would only be a combination of two coordinates -- X, Y, or Z.

Clearly this man smokes crack (the teeth are a dead giveaway, as well as his moronic praise of Sony). It seems that he fails to mention that no one is using Sony's online services because there aren't any worth a crap. Sony Online = Ghost Town! How's he like the chat features? Oh there aren't any. Game invites and buddy lists? Not there either. All the features that Sony is leaving up to the developers are what makes Xbox Live so awesome. Sony wants Xbox Live quality service soooo bad they can taste it!

STFU Sony! How many times are you going to poop on consumers this year? How many times are you Sony Fanboys going to overlook the damage done to your asses? Your crappy laptop battery recall, your CD spyware, your camera recall, your piss poor attempt to push another proprietary BluGhey format on us and wow - what an awesome launch for your colsole! This crackhead's attempt to PR spin your over-priced, underperforming console into something good is hilarious to all of us who are smart enough to know better.

#19 "Oh, and Resistance is challenging Gears of War for my most-played game right now. It's flippin' awesome."

ROFL!!!!!!!! This guy is on crack!!! LOL

There have been weel over a million copies of Gears sold. Resistance??? There is less then 200k PS3's out there right now and most are on Ebay so there not being used. How many copies of Resistance you think they sold?!?!

And that is why it's being reported that there is only an average of 13 online games going on at one time. And even if there is 40 people per game, that still in the hundreds.....worldwide. Embarassing!!!

Sony stinks, XBOX360 rules! I bet yellow teeth never laid hands on the consoles. He had someone do it for him, while he smoked 2 packs and drank coffee with wiskey! That dude is in for the money!

It's kind of funny to see you people bickering and trash-talking each other. Sony fans NEED M$ fans and M$ fans NEED Sony fans. I'm not discounting Nintendo's involvement, they just don't seem to fall into the classic 2-sided battle that's been going on in every system gen since NES v.s. Master System (Yeah, I'm that old) I was all for Nintendo through the 64, and loved seeing Sega fall off the map, but Nintendo hasn't seemed to mature with it's fan-base since that point.
Anyway, that's all waay off the subject that I was trying to hit. The bottom line is, without fierce competition between the Sony and M$ (and maybe Wii) camps, games would quit evolving and the bar of quality would never be raised. So we'd be stuck with the same old crap till the end of time. Competition will save us from that. Also, we all need the "not quite" gamers too. In fact, their opinions matter even more than us "hardcore" gamers' opinions. Reason being, there aren't enough "hardcore" gamers in existence to financially support the corporately demonic machinery that churns out the products we love.
Now I agree, this yellow-toothed fella doesn't sound like he put forth enough time and effort to be making believable comparisons, but there's plenty others out there like him, that are gonna use whatever little soapbox they have to talk parents, casual gamers, etc... into dropping large chunks of cash on a system. And I say let 'em, and screw 'em. It's their fault if they choose to follow uneducated advice and spend their hard-earned money on a system that might not be right for them. Their hard-earned money is gonna support the future "Gears of Wars" and "Resistances" that'll keep us self-proclaimed hardcore gamers drooling. Damn, it seems I've written a book. Flame away, folks!

@50 Sony themselves said that their system would run 4D and everybody knows in the fourth dimension everything is multiplied by 2. =)