What has been fixed: the system has given a higher priority to 1080i signals so, if available, the console will default to 1080i over 720p. This means that if your HDTV supports 720p, and a game's native resolution (like Resistance: Fall of Man) is 720p, it should display fine in that resolution. If the native resolution is 1080p (NBA07, the XMB interface, Blu-ray movies) and your set supports 1080i and 720p, the console will automatically default to 1080i due to the higher preference, regardless of what your preference is. If you disable the 1080i output so everything will play in your preferred 720p, your Blu-ray movies will drop down to 480p. We're not really sure what problem this update was intended to fix or why the resolution hierarchy isn't user selectable.
Luckily, most new HDTVs support both 720p and 1080i making these issues moot for many gamers, but we're hoping (really, it's on our Xmas list) that the eggheads at Sony are working on a holiday-themed upgrade to support downscaling Blu-ray movies to 720p and upscaling some games (like Resistance) to 1080i. Oh, and maybe some of that DVD-upscaling we're hearing about while they're at it.
Also included in the update:
- RGB and Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr output selection over HDMI
- A backup utility to get your removable media data -- that's SD, Compact Flash, and Memory Stick -- to the HDD
- HDD formatting option
- Support for a Bluetooth remote control
Read -- AVS Forums on why 720p owners should not upgrade to 1.30
Read -- Machine translated list of updates from jp.playstation.com
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They probably should have just combined this with an actual fix, unless none is coming... which is my very strong assumption (no scaler?)
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Many gamers are in the early adopter group who mostly own the "older" (Past 2-3 years) HDTVs where this no 720p is a big issue.
Sony can't honestly expect people to run out and buy new HDTVs simply because theirs was one of the many sold without 720p support. There are a ton of us out here who would like to actually play a PS3, but if it doesn't work with our TVs, our hands are tied. This sucks!
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Wow...such basic rudimentary problems for a console that is supposed to support "true HD". God, the Ps3 has turned into a clown show. Good job, guys...you're making it easy for the competition this time around.
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If your TV accepts 1080i but is 720p native; then output it as 1080i from the PS3, the TV will do the downscaling and de-interlacing to fit its native resolution.
So, there is NO point to internal downscaling of 1080p to 720p in the PS3 (or any HD player) if the HDTV accepts a higher resolution signal. Which they all do since there are also ZERO 720p only HDTVs.. that standard became more common after 1080i.
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I don't get how it's even a problem in the first place.
How many of you *actually* have TV's that cannot display or scale 720p? Or are you just speaking for some otherwise unrepresented huddled mass of offline HDTV owners that apparently can't speak for themselves?
Nobody I have seen in any of these posts *or* comments has ever said this was a problem *for them*. They always speak about "early adopters" who bought their sets 2-3 years ago in a patronizing display of forced empathy. Well, I am one of those "early adopters" and my set displays 720p (at 1080i) just fine. You don't need to speak for me; I can speak for myself.
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In the same manner the x360 update added 1080p to the 360. If you can add a feature with an update (as with the 360 update) certainly you can fix one with an update as well (as with the PS3 update). Nothing more than a software problem not a hardware since HDMI can handle up to 1080p.
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My 360 does it.
Sony...a company that doesn't CARE.
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It makes it so that the PS3 searches outputs a 1080i connection before it attempts 720p. Thus if you don't have a 720p capable set it will not down convert the image to 480P rather display it as 1080i unless you disable the 108oi resolution. It's not really an update as much a re-ordering of the resolution algorithm that the PS3 uses to select a resolution. Since 1080i is actually a lower resolution than 720p I'd expect it to down convert a 720p game (RFOM)to 1080i instead of 480p. At least I would hope that is the case for all those early HDTV adopters.
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It's my understanding that the video signal that's sent over component cables is split into Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr spectrum whereas RGB is considered to be the 'purist' video signal available and is generally used when connecting over what are traditionally 'computer-based' connections; VGA, DVI and the like.
Thus, I don't understand why I'm selecting the domain, as it were, for video information over HDMI.
Maybe a guru here can better explain things to me.
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Initially, the hierarchy was 1080p>720p>1080i>480p>480i. Now it is 1080p>1080i>720p>480p>480i. If the game cannot run at 1080i because the scaler simply doesn't exist, shuffling the priorities around doesn't make the game suddenly play where it should on sets that only have 1080i and 480p. All it does is make the world more irritating for those of us on 720p sets because now the PS3 wants to give us 1080i, whether we like it or not.
Seriously, how hard is it to just scale everything like the 360 does? Set to 720p? Everything gets scaled to 720p, end of story.
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It's not like you often have a need to reset it.
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Cut off your nose, despite your face.
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Wow, so this is news to me....if you buy a ps3 for Bluray and you don't have a 1080p tv you are basically looking at a $600 progressive scan dvd player?
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"Maybe I'm ignorant, but why wouldn't the PS3 have a menu like the 360's where you can manually select the console's resolution?"
"I don't really get what I'm supposed to choose when I'm given the ability to use RGB or Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr over HDMI."
because writing good, usable software is hard.
because catching corner-cases is hard.
because sony's core competency isn't software.
m3mnoch.
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The games are more than playable in 1080i, even on my 720p-native set. But still, it could be better, as it was before.
Sony, this is a big screw-up. Fix it.
Nizno:
No, you don't need 1080p in order to see BluRay movies in better than 480p, you just need an HDTV that supports 1080i, which they all do. The problem here is that if you tell the PS3 you don't support 1080i in at attempt to prefer 720p, then BluRay movies go to 480p.
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BD and HD-DVD use the Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr as the native colour space; this has a wider range than RGB and is the better option. How people can spin this as a negative, i dont know.
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Wow, so this is news to me....if you buy a ps3 for Bluray and you don't have a 1080p tv you are basically looking at a $600 progressive scan dvd player?
Yeah im a bit puzzled by this also... can anyone confirm or deny this please?
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This problem won't be fixed for years, when the 2 year old + HDTVs cycle out.
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Posted at 11:13AM on Dec 6th 2006 by Atilac"
...I *think* you mean "Cut off your nose to spite your face."
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Does this mean that Bluray movies won't play on 720p at all? It is either 1080p or 480p but nothing in between?
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This sucks. So many TVs have a native resolution of 720p. Why would Bluray movies be downsampled to only 480p? That's insulting!
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"If you disable the 1080i output so everything will play in your preferred 720p, your Blu-ray movies will drop down to 480p."
"Wow, so this is news to me....if you buy a ps3 for Bluray and you don't have a 1080p tv you are basically looking at a $600 progressive scan dvd player?"
I suppose, if you are to tragically lazy to turn back on 1080i when you go to play a movie..
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It isn't about being lazy, it is about the machine being smart enough to do basic things. The competition does not force the user into the screen settings menu to switch resolution when playing a game / watching a movie. Why does the PS3?
If anyone is lazy, it is Sony for not building scaling capabilities into the PS3.
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What should I set the resolution at to have the best quality picture?
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"How many of you *actually* have TV's that cannot display or scale 720p? Or are you just speaking for some otherwise unrepresented huddled mass of offline HDTV owners that apparently can't speak for themselves?
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My TV does NOT support 720p, but only 480p and 1080i. It is a CRT HDTV, and none of these support 720p. If I try to pump a 720 signal to my TV it has a little hissy fit. It does not scale it up or down.
So yes, there are people like us out there and I know I won't buy a PS3 until this issue is resolved.
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@#17, RogueStorm, no, this patch does NOT correct this problem.
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B) Same scenario, but the game has been coded for 1080i, then you will be able to see the game in 1080i. That is what this patch fixed. Still...how many games are in 1080i/p?
C) Same scenario with movies.
The PS3 does not upscale images for movies, PS3 or PS2/1 games. Apparently it may never to this as you require a upscaling chip (which it does not have) in the box.
Maybe they can come out with a software fix, but that may bottle neck the - already ify - system even further.
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Are that many people ignorant to the number of HDTV sets that sold for a period of 2+ years without 720p? These sets were made by Mits, Sony, and many other manufacturers. They also cost over 3k in many cases. I am one of those owners and will simply spend my gaming dollar on my 360 rather than suffer with 480p on my HDTV.
Before you go out and claim this is a non-issue do some research on the problem or simply be glad you are not affected.
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Wah, wah, it's sony's fault that I bought a soon-to-be-obsolete TV and they wont let me get 12% more resolution.
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If putting in a scaler couldn't possibly cost too much, why didn't your TV, which surely cost over $1,000 include one? If it had one (as mine does), you wouldn't have to whine about the PS3 not having one.
Scaling isn't the answer anyway, games should render at all resolutions. Ridge Racer does, Sony should have ensured all developers supported 480i, 480p. 720p and 1080i (1080p optional).
What's this 2 year stuff? My almost 4 year old (Sony) CRT HDTV had a scaler (36XBR800, I've sold it by now). You don't have a scaler if you bought a cheap-jack HDTV. You can even get one TODAY that doesn't take 720p. But you'd be stupid to do so. You would have been stupid to do so two years ago too. FOX, ESPN and ABC all use 720p. Buying a TV without it will hurt you more than just in relation to PS3.
kod:
Stop perpetuating the myth that 1080i only has 540 lines of resolution. It's not true. If that were true, then DVDs, are only 720x240, which isn't true either (DVDs are 480i on-disc and are upconverted specially in the player). I do agree that CRT HDTVs do not come anywhere nearly fully resolving the 1920 lines of resolution in the other direction.
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Are you implying that there isn't much difference between 480p and 1080i? That's funny. I want you to go over to AVSforum and post this exact quote...I can't wait to see it.
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It will only be able to upscale from 720p to 1080i if it has a scaler chip, therefore no firmware update can fix this, and the hardware must be changed in future generations of PS3s?
Correct?
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funny.
m3mnoch.
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