PS3 harming Blu-ray acceptance

To use Sony's reasoning as to why they're going to win console game. "Brand Recognition" is one of the main points Sony says it's going to sell alot of PS3s.

This can also be said of HD-"DVD". Consumers know what "DVD"s are. And buy them in droves. They trust what the product is.

Many of them will wonder what "Blu-ray" is.

Also, like the console gaming arena (PS2), the current generation (DVD) will be the choice of people for probably a few more years. Unless studios stop supporting the format altogether.

Just let one fail already.

Rootbeer

You don't own a HDTV, do you? The picture quality on large screens is DRAMATICALLY better. If for no other reason, the improvement in picture quality alone is enough.

1) Improved picture quality
2) One disc high definition television show seasons

yea, I work at best buy and we're pretty much forced to tell everyone that Blu-ray is superior to HD-DVD. I personally perfer HD-DVD but I almost got fired for expressing my opinion, kinda like college.

>, You know something, I dont post much on here, I just stop by to see whats new from time to time, but I swear to god, every time I check out the comments on a story that interests me you have posted how much joystiq is to blame for this, or bloggers are to blame for that. NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK. Sorry to say it but I'm pretty sure 99% of joystiq readers will agree with me. If you don't like the stories, the bloggers, the research (or lack there-of), or the readers then why the hell do you even bother anymore? If the writers are shit, and the readers are morons, then why do you waste your time with us? Good riddance >, nobody's gonna miss ya!!! =)

*DojoRacoon* I LOVE IT ~ "trolling the troll..."

Thanks for slapping these fanboys around a little for everyone else. SLAP!!!

You can hardly call these people the "consumers opinion", I'd prefer to call it the "fanboys opinion".

Vivid has NOT chosen BluRay only. They haven't even committed to BluRay:
http://www.videostoremag.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=9861

When I went into best buy recently and asked about the xbox hd-dvd player. The best buy person working in the tv area told me that the only way to get 1080P was to get a PS3 or blu-ray player. Not only did he tell me that the xbox could not do 1080P, which it can, he also told me that the hd dvd movies are not in 1080P which they are. Kind of frustrating if you ask me. I love best buy, but I hate all the misinformation.

I don't really care which format wins, but I do think the hd dvd drive for the xbox 360 is a great deal if you already have an xbox 360.

bluray has already won. large install base, larger storage. surpasses the software specs of HDDVD (same codecs, higher bitrates, linear data rate). better interactive content (bd-java). Sony owns movie studios. Sony hardware is already widely used in the movie/entertainment industry. most studios support bluray.

hddvd and bluray suffer from DRM in the exact same way - they are both under the same restrictions (except hd-dvd has/had issues with region locks and studios forced them to fix that). some companies that had signed on with hddvd recently dropped hddvd in favor of bluray.

2) One disc high definition television show seasons

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAH

ahaha, oh man, AHAHA. Thats... hahah, too funny.

Do you SERIOUSLY believe that the studios will put a whole season of a show on 1 DVD when they can sell 2-4 ep per disk in a mutidisk collection?

For the average consumer 480p DVD is plenty good enough. No jaggies in film. Old films wouldn't even be able to use it effectively (like 70's or earlier, maybe even 80s)

Bottomline, if Blu-Ray were not in the PS3, the console would be cheaper, and a much easier sell (slamdunk?) for Sony, not to mention would have been available in quantity.

Blu-Ray is a huge gamble for Sony. They're really marketing two products.

@57 Myke:

*clap clap clap* ahhh, thank you.

I think the average consumer will have the final say in all of this format mess. Personally, I'm not ready to start a new movie libray based on a new format. It's way too early... specially now that DVD's are becoming more affordable than ever. But if I had to pick one of the two I will choose HD DVD just for the fact that I'm more confortable with name itself. Whether if it means less visual quality or less specs it really doesn't matter, it all comes down to prices and how much will the average consumer will be willing to pay for movies.

* RE: Sony's (proprietary) format reputation-

BetaMax lost to VHS despite better picture & features due to lack of industry adoption.

MiniDisc died and never even stood a chance due to 0% industry adoption*



Yeah it must suck that Blu-Rya has the MOST industry backing by a pretty large margin right now :)

Have to agree with bubbastump...choice.
Think about it fanboys....choice. Can you imagine if Sony had just given the consumer a choice on whether or not to have the Blu-Ray or not? The price differential alone would be a marketing coup.
Consumers have traditionally liked to have choice in it's tech toys.
For you morons that keep harping on the 1080p...give it a rest. 1080p is not even on a significant number of HDTV's in the first place. Second no one is even broadcasting in 1080p. So you are telling me you are going to buy a $3,000 plus big screen tv and watch only Blu-movies and play some games (because not all games are 1080p) in 1080p...whatever. Then that in itself is a waste of money. Does anyone think that people are going to run out and get another HDTV that displays in 1080p??? For what?? Most of you couldn't tell if a channel or movie was displaying in 1080p or 1080i..you think you might but I doubt it.

56. "bluray has already won" based on what? An install base of PS3 owners who most of whom don't even have an hdtv??? Superior sales??? Have you checked Amazon sales rankings??? Niehter is doing gangbusters, but hd dvd is doing much better than blu-ray. Name recognition??? I think most everybody agrees that hd dvd has better name recognition than blu-ray. Superior quality??? Sony's blu-ray movies use mpeg2 codecs not mpeg4 or vc-1 thus making them look inferior to hd dvd's which all vc-1 or mpeg4. I don't really care which format wins, but I hate misinformation which you are definately spreading.

Another thing about past technology history and Sony.

1) BetaMax > VHS on tech specs
2) Xbox > PS2 on tech specs
3) Blu-Ray > HD-DVD on tech spec (although isn't the capacity thing just theoretical? as BR-Disc max out at 25 gigs right now vs the 30 of HD-DVD)

what do the 1st 2 items have in common?
they lost in that generation's format war

You don't necessarily have to have the best tech to win. Affordability also goes a long way. 500 dollars (HDDVD player) vs 1000 dollar (BR player)

This being said of course. The general public doesn't care about an incremental generation improvement. And DVD will ultimately win.

It comes down to this.. Does DVD play movies? yes, does it have extras on the disc(s)? yes.

If you buy an upcovert DVD player (150 or less) will it look good on my TV? yes

and if people still want to watch HD movies? cable, satellite. HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, Starz, OnDemand

To injest a large quantity of crap than this article I would need to put my mouth to a septic pipe and suck for some hours.

Seriously folks,Blu Ray is about the games and if I choose to rent a movie from blockbuster occaisionally why does that stick in yer craw so badly?

And whats with the synco comment praising M$fts HD-DVD strategy? Still looking for work are we?

The Xcast is the most disjointed piece of rubbish I have ever seen.

I am sure the success of SOny & Blu Ray hurts so much my niche gamer friend.

Buy a length of rope, it'll soon feel better.

I think the thing that people are missing here is pretty much the entire point of the article. The post made no judgement on the merits of HD-DVD v. Blu-ray. It simply said that the PS3 is hurting BD adoption. Which, in my mind, seems likely. BD has the stigma of a delayed, reduced, and (in some less fortunate parts of the world) non-existant PS3 launch, which has translated into resentment on certain tech forums. Because BD is seen as the reason the PS3 is doing so poorly, and all the publicized mishaps with BD component manufacture, the PS3 has negativly affected public perception of the PS3.

That's all there was to this post, but it seems people have missed that entirely.

I've always thought that somebody should investigation possible price fixing between Sony and Samsung. Sounds odd, but really, why did the Samsung BD player come out at over 2x the forecasted retail price of the PS3?

It just seems like Sony orchestrated the pricing in order to artificially make the PS3 look like a 'cheap' way to get a BD player in your home.

Yet a comparable HDDVD player by Toshiba came out less than the MSRP of the PS3.

Too much funny business going on with the BD side. I hope HDDVD wins.

With the fanboy likes of Gianni and > I wonder why I read the Joystiq comment section.

Oh wait, its for the laughs.

The reality is that neither format is particularly desirable to the average consumer. First, the average consumer doesn't own an HD capable television, making either format practically useless. Second, even the minority who own HD sets (like myself) don't necessarily want Blu-Ray. I watch my DVDs upscaled, so I'm not going to get nearly as much as Joe 480i out of the deal. Add that to their high costs, and the fact that I already have an ENORMOUS library of DVDs, most of which wasn't even shot in a HD format (I primarily buy TV show runs and rent movies), so neither format does anything for me in that regard excpet make my walet lighter.

And if I did want one of the formats (which I don't) I'd choose based on price and quality. Since there's virtually no quality difference between the two (with the excpetion of crappily encoded early Blu-Ray), I'd wind up with an HD-DVD player, because I can score one of those for $200, whereas the PS3 (cheapest and supposedly best quality Blu-Ray player currently on the market) runs $500 at its cheapest, and can't be found on a stor shelf.

Finally, the Sony brand works against a new format. Sony's never been able to sucessfully push a major format. Everyone who ever bet on a Sony format got well and truly stung. From Beta, to Memory Sticks, to Minidisc (excepting Japan), Sony's formats have always been losers. So yeah, Sony's brand is strong, but a strong brand carries negatives as well as positives. The people remember your failures as well as your successes.

I'm sure I'll go with HD-DVD when it drops a little more in price, but compared to a blu-ray player it's already dropped in price.

On another note I totally agree with you Myke on >. He's the worst of the bunch in any news section posted on Joystiq. The guy/kid won't ever let anyone put any sense into his head, nor will he respond on certain topics.

MIkesOnline:

"Why has Blu-Ray already won?"

Blu-Ray has already won because it has wide-spread support. Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have lists of supporting companies on their sites.

Blu-Ray has 172 companies: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-14009/Index.html

HD-DVD has 9 companies: http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/ (Flash, click "Associated Companies" in the left menu)

3 companies appear on both lists: Warner Bros., HP, Paramount
Universal Music Group and Vivendi Universal Games appear on the BD list, while Universal Pictures appears on the HD-DVD list.

mfelps: Yup, Sony never had any successful formats.

By the way, I wish someone would invent a format so we didn't have to constantly switch cartridges for video games.

Oh, and have you heard the latest Weird Al cassette?

Oh wait, that's right, Sony & Philips invented the CD and some of the technology used in DVDs.

Well, all I can say is that...too the poor people, who make up most of American, they will always go with the cheaper stuff. I know I do :\

I'm always strapped for money, and I always go for the cheap stuff and I don't see many people going for either of the two. I'd just stick with DVD, cheaper ftw.

All the negativity towards blu ray would disappear if Sony was involved with HDDVD instead.
I just don't get how you can definitively say blu ray will fail. Especially when blu ray (currently) seems to have the edge as far as exclusive movie studio support:
1. Disney
2. 20th Century Fox
3. MGM
4. Sony Pictures
5. Lions Gate
6. Bandai Visual
7. Digital Playground
8. Artisian
9. BCI
10. Magnolia

If blu-ray was created solely by Sony I would take a hefty dump on it's HD UMD. But blu-ray is apart of a larger cooperation between many-a-company, not just one.

Just look at the first post here and you can tell by seeing how much more corporate support blu-ray has.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=747

And I'm not quite sure why everyone is bitching about the prices of blu-ray. Their pricing is generally the same. The only major downside is that the players are 2x as much. I don't see the point in arguing pricing. They are both WAAAY too expensive for mainstream attention.
Once the masses give a damn, HDTV's will be at the $500+ range, it will be hard to find and SDTV, and you will find HDDVD's and blu-rays in the 9 dollar bin at Walmart. By this time, blu-ray's pricing will have caught up to HDDVD and they will be on more even ground. So, Joe consumer now wanting some HD movies with his spankin new "high density tv ukyuck" sees blu-rays have 50-100GB (by that time 100GB blu's will be everywhere) capacity for about the same price as an HDDVD with the capacity of 30.

I guess my point is this is not just another Sony proprietary concoction like Beta or UMD. This has widespread support of MANY companies, and many more than HDDVD.
But hell, I don't even really care, I won't be able to afford an HDTV for another 10 years anyways. May the best format win until then.

Format wars should be illegal. They suck for all sides.

I wish people would stop going on saying that it is Sony proprietary it's NOT! And if anyone disagrees can they point out exactley where the information is that says otherwise?

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