High-def DVDs and the console wars
Ever since Sony announced that the PlayStation 3 would be shipping with Blu-ray disc support, the next-generation movie wars have been wrapped up with the next-generation system wars. Now that both the PS3 and the Xbox 360's HD-DVD add-on have been out for a few weeks, the first effects of that relationship are beginning to show. After crunching some numbers, the take away message is relatively simple: gamers do not care about high-definition movies. At least not yet.This week's NPD data revealed sales of 42,000 Xbox 360 HD-DVD drives and 197,000 Blu-ray equipped PS3s in November. At first this seems like a big victory for Sony and a vindication of the idea that the PS3 will push Blu-ray as a movie format. More than that, it seems like a vindication of the idea that high-definition home movies in general are beginning to catch on. After all, the November sales of these two items alone nearly matches the estimated 275,000 high-def movie players sold through October.
But a deeper look at the sales estimates for the actual high-def discs shows that neither of these ideas really pans out. While you would expect the introduction of nearly 200,000 Blu-ray equipped PS3s to have some impact on Blu-ray disc sales, sales rank data provided by Amazon.com and compiled by eProductWars shows nary a blip in the data since the PS3's launch. Indeed, while the PS3's Blu-ray support likely gives Sony's format the installed base lead for high-def movie players, the Amazon charts still show HD-DVD sales outpacing Blu-ray sales by a good margin on Amazon, suggesting that most PS3 owners are not that interested in the movie format yet.
True, PS3 owners could simply be going to other retail outlets to buy their Blu-ray discs, but considering that the system is currently the 314th best-selling item on the whole of Amazon, you'd think some of these shoppers would throw a few more Blu-ray discs in their cart as well. Yet there is currently not even one Blu-ray movie on the list of Amazon's top 1,000 sellers, while HD-DVD movies have consistently shown at least a handful of products in the same list for the past few months.
HD-DVD supporters shouldn't get too excited yet either. Despite the widespread idea that people buying the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive would want to buy up lots of HD-DVD movies to go with it, the add-on's sales seem to have had little to no effect on the sales ranks of HD-DVD movies. In fact, HD-DVD movie rankings on Amazon actually declined a little in November and December. This isn't that surprising, considering that the 42,000 HD-DVD sales represents a paltry 1.24 percent of the 360's installed base. With such a small potential market, we can hardly expect Gears of War levels of sales for any discs.
Even if all these new Blu-ray and HD-DVD supporting gamers start buying up discs by the ton, though, the undisputed champion of the DVD wars will still be the standard DVD for the forseeable future. Talking about a few hundred thousand HD players here or there seems kind of silly when you consider that Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest sold 10.5 million copies on standard DVD this week. Even if the Playstation 3 puts Blu-ray into 15 million homes by the end of 2007, that's still less than the estimated 16 million DVD players sold in 2005. True, these new high-def player owners could start buying up high-def discs instead of standard DVDs, but assuming that consumers will be willing to abandon the relatively fresh DVD format with the same speed they abandoned the decrepit VHS standard is a bit naive.
While high-def movie supporters everywhere are looking to Sony and Microsoft to finally propel their new formats into wide acceptance, the early sales numbers seem to indicate that, so far, consumers are buying game systems for the games and not for 1080p movies. This could all change in the future, of course, but right now there's every reason to expect regular old DVDs to continue their dominance for a good long while.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Todd @ Dec 16th 2006 2:58PM
Having bought a XHDVD drive. And already starting to pick up more and more HD movies. So far while I need to get my hands on a 1080p DLP TV. Picture quality is great on a 720p, and my friends 1080p DLP..dear god.
I recommend Backdraft..just wow.
wiiare @ Dec 16th 2006 9:41AM
....And the Wii is selling like hotcakes without DVD playback.
Jonathan @ Dec 16th 2006 9:44AM
I think this is really bad news for Sony. One of the main reasons PS2 has such a large install base is because it also functions as a DVD player (something people actually wanted at the time). If no one even wants HD movies, why are they gonna spend $500-600 on a PS3?
They'll stick with their PS2 until dev support dries up, then realize they can get a Wii at a fraction of the price (rumors are Wii will drop to US $200 in the spring) and be done with it.
And if Blu-Ray fails, it's more than just the PS3 that's in trouble, it's all of Sony.
Kevin @ Dec 16th 2006 9:48AM
To #1:
I like hotcakes.
stewis @ Dec 16th 2006 9:47AM
one thing you fail to point out in your article is that while 197,000 PS3 Blu-ray players were sold these could have been bought for gaming, HD movies or both while one thing we can say is certain 42,000 users bought the HD-DVD addon for the movies.
Ndric @ Dec 16th 2006 9:49AM
I'm still buying/renting DVDs til this is done. I don't want to end up wasting my money.
Optimus Prime @ Dec 16th 2006 10:05AM
Studios will support the format with the largest install base.
PC makers will support the format with the largest capacity. It would be stupid to have one format for data and a different one for movies... oems dont like extra hardware and licensing costs.
And, taking Amazon sales data and suspect analysis as a proxy for overall BD/HD-DVD interest is stupid. Stop being stupid, Joystiq.
bearattack79 @ Dec 16th 2006 10:07AM
Guess Xbox 360's HD-DVD OPTION was a great Idea. Options let the consumer decide.
Movies suck these days anyway!
BUT if this Blueray thing changes games dramatically, Ill sign up. All I see now is expensive load times, and lots of free space. Like RFOM, that was supposed to be a showcase of what Blueray can do for games. Well I’m not impressed so far, but it’s still early.
Zozart @ Dec 16th 2006 10:06AM
I'm just going to get the HD-DVD attachment for my Xbox and a PS3 next year (whenever its released), and... that's it; I'm set for whatever format wins, and the worst case scenario is that I've only lost the cost of the HD-DVD drive.
nick @ Dec 16th 2006 10:14AM
The PSP played movies as well, and there are over 5 million PSPs sold in the US alone. The highest selling UMD movie was what-- 100,000?, but as of the last year, PSP movies are selling quite poorly or basically not at all.
Just because the PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies does not guarantee the success of Blu-Ray movies. You really need to target mainstream America to make Blu-Ray successful, and for that to happen you need to have a cheap player. By a cheap player, I mean a system that cost less than $200.
The cost of the PS3 is out of the reach of mainstream. The cost of Blu-Ray players are out of the reach of the mainstream.
And that you have a competing format, will only help confuse the market. While both exist, neither will be immediately successful.
Also another factor in Blu-Ray that is mentioned time and time again, is that you also have to have an HDTV. People don't buy TVs just to buy TVs. They typically buy TVs when their existing TV stops working. The exception is those who always have to have the latest technology (early adopters), but that's a small percentage of the overall market. Anyway, people buy TVs every 10-15 years. It'll be years before even 50% of the households have an HDTV.
BlackHeart @ Dec 16th 2006 10:24AM
From the eproductswars homepage:
"What do customers ultimately buy after viewing this item?"
From Blu-Ray link:
74% buy the item featured on this page:
Superman Returns [Blu-ray] $23.95
14% buy
Superman Returns (Two-Disc Special Edition) DVD ~ Brandon Routh $23.49
5% buy
Superman II - The Richard Donner Cut DVD ~ Christopher Reeve $19.99
3% buy
Mission - Impossible III (Two-Disc Special Collector's Edition) DVD ~ Tom Cruise $23.49
3% buy
X-Men 3 - The Last Stand [Blu-ray] $27.95
From HD-DVD-Link:
85% buy
Superman Returns (Two-Disc Special Edition) DVD ~ Brandon Routh $23.49
5% buy
Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest (Two-Disc Collector's Edition) DVD ~ Orlando Bloom $22.99
4% buy
Cars (Widescreen Edition) DVD ~ Owen Wilson $16.99
3% buy
The Da Vinci Code (Widescreen Two-Disc Special Edition) DVD ~ Tom Hanks $16.99
3% buy
X-Men - The Last Stand (Widescreen Edition) DVD ~ Hugh Jackman $15.87
So, 74% of people who visits the blu-ray item buy it and 0% of people who visit the HD-DVD product does buy it, seems like some information is not correct, how can they track the sales of an amazon product anyway?
USP45 @ Dec 16th 2006 10:59AM
The PS3 just launched, blu-ray movies launched in june and there's only 3 blu-ray players out there. Don't you think it's a little early to be jumping to dumb conclusions like this. Just wait six months when there's a significant number of PS3 out there, a much bigger selection of movies and then maybe you could jump to conclusions. But a month away from launch is just dumb.
Blu-ray is going to win is just this simple, if you have a HDTV, a PS3 and you're going to buy a movie are you going to buy a dvd or a blu-ray disc for just $4.00 more. Whoever thinks that blu-ray won't catch on is just plain stupid. Even if only 20% of projected PS3 buyers buy blu-ray movies that will be more than enough to bury HD-DVD.
And I am a gamer and yes I'm interested in HD movies.
azesino @ Dec 16th 2006 10:37AM
Microsoft Idia for Option over Forcing the format was a good one for me because I dont care about HD movies,yet.
When p@rn start coming out on hd heck i might think about it
azesino @ Dec 16th 2006 10:37AM
BlackHeart you are doing your research in the wrong place.
Leave the number crunching to the Pros.
Dave @ Dec 16th 2006 10:43AM
I bought the HD-DVD player for the 360 and have yet to buy an HD-DVD. Why? Blockbuster has a nice selection of rentals (HD-DVD and BRD), though new releases aren't showing up terribly quickly. Add to that the ability to download 720p movies off of Marketplace, and I'm in content overload. Maybe someday I'll actually buy a disc, but for now there are just so many options available that I don't need to. That's simply fantastic!
jayntampa @ Dec 16th 2006 10:41AM
ugh, I'm getting annoyed at having to repost this EVERYWHERE. That web site shows relative sales between media -- not hardware. You can't read anything about hardware into it. Zero. Zilch. It's an incompatible statistic.
Why? Because when the introduction of all those Blu-ray and HD-DVD drives came out ... there was an push of major DVD releases. Remember, those stats compare all sales in software -- HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and DVD. Due to the number of DVD players out there, the sales of HD formats would have to be exponentially higher to affect the rankings.
All you can judge by those stats are comparative sales between formats -- HD-DVD is beating Blu-ray ... DVD is wiping the floor with both. That's it. That's all. Nothing else.
Greg2k @ Dec 16th 2006 10:43AM
Everyone knows the reason why Blu-Ray sales aren't picking up speed after the PS3 launch is because nobody's opened their's yet. They're all on fucking eBay.
Zeke @ Dec 16th 2006 10:53AM
I'll stick to standard DVDs until they stop making them. They look just fine on an HDTV. How does the saying go? Oh yeah, FTW!
Jack @ Dec 16th 2006 10:56AM
@9 > nick
I agree that most houses don't buy new tvs until one or more sets in house stops working, but there's still plenty of TV buying going on all the time. As of now my household has 2 HDTV's, my 20" LCD that I use as a monitor, and our 46" projection tv that we used to replace a fully functioning CRT tv.
But then again, I don't want or plan on buying a PS3, and the odds of me shelling out the $500 total to get an xbox 360 AND the hd-dvd drive are slim to none. At this point the odds point in favor of buying the HD-DVD x360 drive to gut and put in my PC case, which I see as the only cheap drive on the market, but then again, I would feel foolish on the level of putting a DVD-Rom drive when I should wait for an HD-DVD burner.
Basically, none of the prices for any of this make it worth it to me just to play movies...I love high def images/video, but I'm getting a wii for Christmas.
hey alex @ Dec 16th 2006 11:16AM
Here's the thing, I'm a gamer and I love movies. I own several hundred DVDs. Will I buy Blu-Ray movies? No. Will I buy HD DVD movies? No. I'm done with purchasing movies. It's far easier to rent from Netflix. I don't need to "own" the movie. With DVD I got caught up in all that. And I don't need to have an inventory that rivals Blockbuster. If I want to watch it again, I can simply rent the movie again. It'll be far cheaper.
Anothing area that's interesting is recording in Media Center (connected to cable) and then transfering to my PSP to watch when I'm traveling. It works quite well.
A friend of mine has a SlingBox connected to his Tivo is is watching anything he records remotely via his laptop. It's pretty cool.
Anyway, I could care less who wins the HD format war. Just count me out for buying movie discs.
Werbal @ Dec 16th 2006 11:23AM
The simple fact is most people don't see a big enough difference between regular DVD and its HD brethren.
DVD caught on so quick because it looked a LOT better than VHS. You could show a DVD to your grandma and she'd be able to see the difference.
The movie studios want people to go totally hog wild again and start replacing all their regular DVD with the HD versions, but it won't happen. Because DVD, for most people, looks perfectly fine and they don't see the reason why they should buy a new player, a new TV and whole new versions of films for a slightly better quality picture and sound.
Kn1ves @ Dec 16th 2006 11:25AM
why is it always plain and simple, cut and dry to the Playstation fanboys? Why can't it ever be complicated, like let's say, explaining what Blu-Ray is without giving a plug to HD-DVD.
"Uhhh blu-ray is like dvd's but better! its like a high definition dvd for your HDTV!"
and thus, the consumer becomes confused...
Ryan @ Dec 16th 2006 11:37AM
Why in the world would anybody BUY movies? For the cost of only one DVD (or half of a HD-DVD or BD) I can get unlimited movies (including the movie I might have purchased) for a month from Blockbuster Online. When formats change, so do the rentals with no outdated collection to collect dust. More movies, for less money... how is this not common sense for everybody? For the record, I have a 360 with HD-DVD drive (WHICH ROCKS!!!) with no plans to purchase any HD-DVD's, I'll be getting all my movies for less at Blockbuster :) (No, I don't work for Blockbuster folks...)
Hatch @ Dec 16th 2006 11:53AM
Well whenever PS3's become available I'll finally be able to buy one and as soon as I do I'll start buying Blu-Ray Movies. That's why I bought the damn 1080P TV. And even if the format goes bunk I'll still have a 1080P capable system and by then HD-DVD will be like 150 bucks. I wish they actually had good movies on these formats. It's too bad the best movies are the older ones up-converted instead of newer ones actually shot in 1080P
Paltry @ Dec 16th 2006 11:57AM
"his isn't that surprising, considering that the 42,000 HD-DVD sales represents a paltry 1.24 percent of the 360's installed base."
Christ, "paltry?" are you kidding me? That 42,000 number is ONLY 2-3 WEEKS WORTH OF SALES. Look at places like Amazon and EB, it's on and off backorder there constantly. The HD-DVD drive did VERY well considering the fact that it's brand new technology.
And I agree with the above poster, using Amazon's "sales ranks" as basis for your sales data is both short-sighted and ignorant.
Mad @ Dec 16th 2006 12:11PM
I don't think in terms of consoles high-def movie DVD's were ever the issue, however I think Blue Dragon ( XBOX360 ) being released on 3 DVD's is!
buttlover @ Dec 16th 2006 12:11PM
..And the Wii is selling like hotcakes without DVD playback.
to #1 what the hell does the wii have to do with this news? I am so tired of hearing about the wii when you all know there is going to be a huge drought of games starting now! the wii is selling because sony hasnt released the best titles yet, because no one can find a ps3 and right now it looks like a good choice. check with me in 3-4 years though and lets see if people are saying "damn the wii graphics are bad!". nintendo could have won this console was if they supported hdtv and made graphics that were near xbox 360/ps3 levels. now they are left with a good selling console for the first 2 years possibly and fading after that. watch and see.
m3mnoch @ Dec 16th 2006 12:22PM
[insert long godzilla-crushing comment that i don't have the time to write right now]
m3mnoch.
Vince @ Dec 16th 2006 12:34PM
@26
yea blue dragon is released on 3 dvd's. Which is the annoying part, i imported the game for my 360 but it was missing the 2nd disc! (wtf) now i have to play through the first one and then get a savegame until the 3rd disc.
im missing half the game basicly. Microsoft should've stuck with hd-dvd because im sure hd-dvd has 30gb of space which could've fit this game onto a dual layer hd-dvd disc.
Blu-ray is a smart move by sony, i doubt people want to see games come with 3-5 discs. 50gb is space is not only good for sony but also good for the developers, now they dont have to compress which kill load times and sounds and they dont have to waste their time thinking how big it would turn out to be and compress ( which takes money).
blu-ray and hd-dvd are good things for high-def consoles, if microsoft waited a year they could've got hd-dvd into their system.
Alex @ Dec 16th 2006 5:09PM
It's obvious that everything depends on the growth of the HDTV market, and the people that see PS3 as simply a way for Sony to push a format onto us is oversimplified and completely wrong. Since Blu-ray has a maximum storage capacity of 200GB (8 layers), it's obvious that Sony chose the format not to win a petty HD Movie war within one generation, but to help developers for PS3 and future Playstation Platforms.
Games are the focus. Movie playback is just a bonus.
Steve2 @ Dec 16th 2006 12:54PM
Going farther than jayntampa, you can't even tell relative sales.
You can see HD-DVD is selling better.
But what's the sales difference between the 671st and 1,800th item on Amazon? What is it in percentage? Or in total units?
I'm sure we know the #1 item sells a LOT more than the 1,800th, but the difference between 671st and 1,800th could be as a miniscule percentage. And in fact, given how items can bounce up or down 100 spots week to week, it's clear the difference in sales between these places is not a lot.
I do feel 360 would be a better gaming machine if HD-DVd were built-in. But they just didn't have the option to wait until blue lasers were easy to find. They wanted to get out ahead of Sony and that meant giving up on a larger storage format. Coincidentally (or not), this is what Peter Moore did with his last machine, Dreamcast.
Paltry: 42,000 is indeed a tiny number. Yes, it's backordered on Amazon, but in other comment forums I've read about this article, many people say their local stores (BB, etc.) have 15-20 HD-DVD players just piled up there, and they aren't selling. Toshiba and MS made this add-on because they want to outsell BluRay, not be beaten 5:1.
I expect that the HD-DVD drive will sell another 42,000 in all of December, which is a bit over half what BluRay (PS3) is selling in a week in the US. This is not a good thing for Toshiba (sole hardware backer of HD-DVD).
The ZeroCorpse @ Dec 16th 2006 12:54PM
Discs? Why should I buy discs when I can:
1.) Rent them from Netflix
and
2.) download HD movies from Xbox Live
???
Xyzzy @ Dec 16th 2006 1:12PM
Hatch (#23):"It's too bad the best movies are the older ones up-converted instead of newer ones actually shot in 1080P"
Ummm, I don't think you understand how film works. Shooting on film actually has MORE resolution than 1080p. They're not "upconverting" anything. It's the same concept as a 35mm camera having more resolution than a 6 megapixel digital camera.
There are also a lot of good new movies on HD-DVD -- V for Vendetta, King Kong, Serenity, and Batman Begins come to mind. None of these are available on BD (yet?). The classics are also awesome, like Searchers, Robin Hood, and Casablanca.
Negativecool @ Dec 16th 2006 1:34PM
Why doesn't any get it yet?
DVD's will not decline in populatiry any time soon.
Blu ray and HD-DVD will be like Windows PC's vs. Apple Mac's...neither will go down flat.
Jim @ Dec 16th 2006 3:21PM
This is no surprising: DVDs are just fine, HDTVs still haven't reached critical market penetration and so on...
phipscube @ Dec 16th 2006 1:45PM
Why are people buying HD-DVD drives for the Xbox360 if they NEVER plan to buy HD-DVD's and openly admit to it? Thats just insane stupidity.
Uchendu Nwachukwu @ Dec 16th 2006 9:04PM
A lot of people may be buying the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive for use on their PCs.
Just a thought.
epobirs @ Dec 16th 2006 3:13PM
Viewing HD-DVD Drive add-on sales for the Xbox 360 is not a useful data point. Each PS3 sold is being treated as an addition to the Blu-ray install base but has yet to show this in the form of increased movie sales. In the long term, the studios are concerned with which format is going to generate the most revenue, not have the greatest numbers while being rarely used for movie playback.
The big question for the add-on drive sales is what portion of the dedicated HD-DVD player market does it represent? If that base has expanded by an appreciable percentage then it's purpose ha been fulfilled. As mentioned before, every one of those add-on drives is sold to somebody intent on actively using HD-DVD discs, whether purchased or rented. This makes for far easier tracking than the PS3's 'maybe they will, maybe they won't' situation for Blu-ray movie revenues.
For those touting their preference for rentals, you are still a contributing factor. The movie studios pay close attention to rentals and get a piece of the action on the big rental outfits business. This has been true since the 90s when the last of the litigation was finally settled. This is why operations like Blockbuster get advantageous release windows over their retail competition. The windows narrowed with the dominance of DVD but there are still a lot of perqs for the big renters.
#28
Vince, try to think it through. Your problem with your copy of 'Blue Dragon' had nothing to do with the technology. You could just as easily have received an HD-DVD version with a defective disc or no disc at all. Would that have meant the disc technology was to blame?
Blu-ray is only benefitting lazy developers. It has been demonstrated frequently in the fast that it is faster to rapidly load compressed data and decompress it than to load an uncompressed version. Load times on the PS3 are awful. The need for hard drive installation really drives that point home.
History has shown that people don't especially mind multi-disc games if the content is good. The severe lack of whining over disc changes in PS1 FF games illustrates this. The linear nature of the games made it so that the disc changes came only once per disc during the game and it was never necessary to reinsert an earlier disc.
Something like a GTA might not be able to pull that off but that is where it is up to developers to get creative. Caching to the hard drive is an obvious solution, as is supporting the use of the HD-DVD drive as a secondary DVD reader. (A technique in use since the days of floppy drives on 8-bit computers.) Even without games shipping on HD-DVD the drive can be used to make a better gameplay experience for the biggest DVD games.
#33
Think hard. Have you ever noticed those stores in your vicinity that rent movies as their primary business? Millions of DVD deck owners have no purchased movies in their homes. Everything they've watched was rented from one of these stores or a by mail version. (Or mooched off friends or illicitly obtained.)
GR781 @ Dec 16th 2006 3:06PM
33: You're missing the point- they are buying to rent.
9829839 @ Dec 16th 2006 3:13PM
i think the hd add on on the 360 is ugly. i would rather buy a hd player separtely... cus its embarrasing.
Lunaclown @ Dec 16th 2006 3:31PM
I've picked up the 360 HD-DVD add-on and have been very happy with it. I've purchased 6 movies already and plan on buying more to add to my collection. I've seen Blu-Ray and the two formats really don't look any different in terms of quality. I'll stick with HD-DVD as I already had a 360 and the upgrade only cost me 200 bucks with a movie and the remote.
I have to agree with one of the above posters when he said that the sales numbers are easier to read when it comes to the HD-DVD add-on buyers versus the PS3 buyers. The people that buy the HD-DVD 360 add-on are going to use it specifically for movies so the numbers are there where as the PS3 users may not be into the high definition movies but rather just games. Granted the PS3 user more than likely will try out the Blu-Ray functionality but the HD-DVD add-on buyer just seems more likely to buy more movies as that was the initial reason for buying the device. Just my 2 cents on that. Buy what you like and don't hate on what you don't.
zadaa @ Dec 16th 2006 4:26PM
Blu-Ray = UMDs = RULEz!!!!!!!!!!!!?
Bubba G @ Dec 16th 2006 4:40PM
USP45:
Your perspective is just as silly, becasue NO format will gain speed until they breach the $300 pricepoint for a standalone unit and then hit the mainsteam with a $200 unit. BOTH will flounder until then. HD_DVD has two units launching this summe at $300 or slightly less. Game systems at a $500 or $600 price point will NOT drive any format. This includes the 360, since it is a similar high price for new adopters.
The good news for MS is they eat the margin as an option, where Sony will eat margin for a tech that has a strong chance of failure- Especially this summer when the lower cost HD-DVD units are sold. Blu-ray has a $600 and maybe a $500 unit coming out this summer. The $500 unit is a big maybe.
Even still, HD-DVD could also lose, since the average consumer that drives 90% of the electronics revenue could care less about either format.
J Nguyen @ Dec 17th 2006 1:02AM
Take it easy guys. The PS3 has only been out for 30 days. How can you judge the success or failure of the Blu-Ray format in this time. If someone knew which format would come out on top right now they should consider a job as an analyst or a fortune teller. I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to my 50" plasma hdtv, and it looks AWSOME. All of these product are from different companies. if every body made the same thing the same way how would there be any advances in technology? i leave by saying i think the ps3 will do to blu-ray what the ps2 did for dvd.
MoonfirePewPEwPEw @ Dec 16th 2006 5:49PM
"Microsoft should've stuck with hd-dvd because im sure hd-dvd has 30gb of space which could've fit this game onto a dual layer hd-dvd disc."
So Microsoft should of raised the price of their system by 200 dollars, delayed it until this year and use a medium that is slower than DVDs?
Why don't people think before they sprout out bs like this.
mesocool @ Dec 16th 2006 5:57PM
to # 1 GoOD POINT!
To 'Buttlover' ummmmm the reason the Wii is selling is because it has a AWESOME lineup! Including one of the best games EVER! EVER!!! and A great price, compared to the other two consoles, and lots availible. Not because the PS3 does not have systems availible. Heck come to Indianapolis you can find one anytime you want! If your in the midwest just come here! If your only 100 or so
miles away think how cheap it is to spend $30 on gas and get a system at cost! Indianapolis Rules! (except the colts need some defense on
the ground game). And 'Buttlover' the wii has earned the right to be mentioned in this news. Why? Because people DOG on it when they are pointing out how it does NOT have DVD or HD. So now they can make there point! We don't need it! Oviously people have been saying only a few care about HD
movies and even the PS3 fanboys are not buying blu-gay movie disks. And the graphics are not bad. Not near 360 but niether is the ps3, so what?
It has motion/feedback and SOUND on the controller! AWESOME! I can't wait to get one myself! And my favorite is 360, and I'm saying that. Note I will eventially get a PS3 when the graphics get better and the price gets better. And they have more than one game worth playing(meaning one that's not availible and way better on the 360).
Hey 'mad' did you say that when you switched out disks every 20 hours on the PS2? Thought not. So you'd rather wait 30 extra seconds every
time a level loads then switch a disk once every 20 hours (taking maybe 5 seconds) please. Bump!
dear '9829839' the PS3 is really ugly and you are not complaining about that! Bump.
And DVD's upscale on the HD-DVD not on blu-ray they will be lucky to downscale so it can play it!
nick @ Dec 16th 2006 6:23PM
HD DVD wasn't available when the 360 was released. It would have delayed the release of the console, slowed down the drive load times, and increased the cost of the system.
I'm actually glad I'm not having to pay an extra $200. If I want to watch movies I can buy the add-on. I bought a 360 to play games. Simple.
refinedsugar @ Dec 16th 2006 7:03PM
It's so easy to get wrapped up in a topic of useless debate. It's no secret that the HD era of movies has an abysmal adoption rate and passing the idea that somehow consoles were going to be the pivotal junction in the HD format war is absurd.
uh_oh @ Dec 16th 2006 10:37PM
Ill get the hd dvd add on cuz i have a 360. Besides that have you seen prices for blu ray and hd-dvd movies??? 35 bucks!! thats insane!!!
JJ @ Dec 17th 2006 12:20AM
hmm I'm very much into HD movies, as i;m very much in to HD gaming.
I mean the transition between 480i gaming and 720p gaming is huge (I just recently got an HDTV again in my apartment after being without one for about 2 years) and believe me once you go HD its hard to go back to standard definition anything.
Granted not everyone can afford an HDTV or even want one, but as a gamer that does have a sweet tooth for good graphics HD is paramount to me right now (which is why i have a 360 and PS3, working on getting a Wii though mind you, its hard to find one).
so i believe anyone thats into HD gaming that the 360 and PS3 both push, would theoretically be into HD movies assuming they like movies. besides whether no one likes it or not, HD is the Color TV of our generation and in a few years it will be the norm (and by few i dont mean like 2 or 3 but soon)