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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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I think you may be reading into this too much.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:23PM (Unverified) said

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And people were criticizing Twilight Princess for having text. tsk, tsk.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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yeah.. I think playing OoT on my old n64 and not understanding what was going on, without grabbing his sister to read the words for him, made my little brother actually -want- to learn to read more than anything else...
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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This is a stupid topic for Joystiq. Submitter deserves a kick in the groin.

I come here for video game news, not stories about the literacy rate of England and trouble singing karoke.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:09PM (Unverified) said

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If you're illiterate, you need to learn to read. Stop wasting your time playing video games and get some help. I love playing video games, but I don't let it keep me from staying healthy. A person who chooses to indulge in any hobby or vice - be it games, drugs, sex or anything else - instead of fixing gross personal defects cannot claim that it is anyone else's fault.

If you're illiterate, I hope you get help and I hope it works. A man who cannot read is isolated from most of the world. Just don't pretend like the rest of us should abstain from reading, to make you feel better.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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I think Dead Rising has demonstrated that literacy is less important than legibility. ;)

But come on. The kind of person who cares about reading text in video games doesn't play the kind of game that requires you to read lots of text. There's no neglect here. And I certainly hope nobody tries to dumb down games in an effort to reach an illiterate audience.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:20PM (Unverified) said

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If you can't read, you've got bigger problems than not being able to play most video games.

Also, I nominate Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door for the game with the most text ever.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:11PM (Unverified) said

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the english are thick lol!

I live in northern ireland and our school system kicks ass compared to the english one, theyre actually cutting back on funding to bring us in to line with the rest of the UK

apparantly Scotland has a better school system than the english as well!

so when referring to England, make sure you refer to England and not the UK generally!

lol!

:)
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:12PM MonkeyBra1nz said

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What are you talking about? They do make games for illiterate people.... It's called manual labor!
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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When I was real young I loved King's Quest, I loved it so friggin much but I couldn't do a damn thing because I wasn't able to read. That game pushed me to learn...and look at me now. I can write on the internet!
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:13PM (Unverified) said

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#4 Are you writing to people that can't read? Because really that would be pointless since they won't be able to read what you just wrote. Also why would they be here? I'm sure it's not for the pretty pictures or lack there of.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:16PM (Unverified) said

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I couldn't imagine playing Zelda without the scrolling literature across the bottom. Personally voice acting means absolutely nothing to me because I hate trying to decipher a key component of a game's plot from some actor's stale dialogue. So i hope that games don't change on account of those who either can't read or are to lazy to try to get better. Society compromises the majority for the minority on too many occasions and i hope this isnt one of them. And no i dont care that im being mean to those illerate millions, its not like they would be able to tell anyway.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:18PM Withad said

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I guess there's a lot more people excluded from video gaming than you'd think. Joystiq had an interesting article a while back which talked about the problems of colour blindness with certain games.
I wouldn't say that game makers are "neglecting" the illiterate because that implies that they're doing it deliberately. They just assume it's a basic skill that everyone has (or in a perfect world, should have). Most things in life require some degree of literacy and I think it's a little unfair to say that games or even karaoke are the problem. Illiteracy is a problem, but it's not a permanent or incorrectable one, like many disabilities. Sure it may be hard and require commitment from the person learning and probably some kind of outside body but it can be overcome.
There are other problems out there which are far worse, simply in gaming terms. I remember reading an interesting letter in a games mag once from a deaf person who was worried about the inclusion of voice overs in games to the exclusion of text that he could read. That could be a problem.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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Slow news day.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:31PM (Unverified) said

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Are authors neglecting illiterate readers by only writing words?

what a shamefully self-pious line this article closes with

grody
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:32PM (Unverified) said

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Illiteracy is not a handicap, it's a fucking stupid way to be. If you can't read, learn. There's very few "illiterates" with medical reasons for not being able to read, and those few usually have more problems than not being able to play through the latest Zelda on their lonesome.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:39PM moominsean said

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i'd imagine that someone who is functionally illiterate isn't going to be playing the moby dick of video games...i'm sure pretty much anyone can pick up gta or some nba game and figure it out. i played the first 4 n64 games as imports and didn't know any japanese and had no problem getting through all of them. if literacy was all that important in games, we'd still be at "You are in a dark room. What will you do?" "Turn on the light." "You are not near a light switch."

and this was a pretty dumb article.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:43PM (Unverified) said

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Hey, you guys need to back off the illiterate. I'm illiterate and after reading all of these posts you people are just ignorant and full of hate. Just because you are literate, does that make you better than me? I don't believe it does. These game developers need to closely examine their full audience and understand the consequences and repercussions.

I'm illiterate and proud.

Illiterate means we need glasses right?

Yeah, slow news day #13
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:43PM (Unverified) said

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There was a billboard here in town that advertised "Connect with Deaf People over the phone". I'm kinf od reminded of that.

They took it down before I managed to take a photo.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:44PM (Unverified) said

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Im from northern Ireland too John. Your right in saying our education system is the best in the uk. My uncle is a maths teacher in scotland and teaches in a private school, he says its depressing how stupid his pupils are. I have even noticed myself(i am doing GCSEs this year) that the english examination board have very low expectations for higher tier exams than the northern ireland examination board.
Yeah i also hate it when they talk about the whole of the uk being stupid. The United Kingdom is a group of countries not just one country.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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In case non of you realised the UK has joint highest literacy rate in the world see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 4:56PM (Unverified) said

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OMG,
Are game makers cutting a large part of potential amputee gamers by making their games require the use of your hands? In the future maybe we should see more games that function entirely on speech input?

"Run left, jump, no not that way, the other, shit."
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:01PM (Unverified) said

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My little brother and sister actually learned to read from "Diablo", they saw me and my brother playing and wanted to join in but soon realized we coulden't always be there to read the item discriptons so they just started figuring it out on there own.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 10:16PM TheBahn said

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I agree with everyone that said this was a stupid article. I'm all for an immersive experience in my video games, so voice acting a-l-l t-h-e w-a-y!
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:11PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, theres a huge difference between 30% of your population not being able to read scrolling kareoke, and 5%.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:20PM fernpointoh said

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If you can't read, you've got bigger problems than not being able to play fucking kareoke.

Learn to read. Then proceed.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:28PM (Unverified) said

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Here's a radical solution: how about, instead of trying to better accomodate illiterates, we try to improve literacy?

Also, I think it bears noting that most of the people here who have said insulting things about the intelligence of illiterates' seem barely literate themselves. A little insecure, guys, or just completely lacking in self-awareness?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:35PM (Unverified) said

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#19

I did my gcses two years ago and got a C in french despite not knowing anything about it lol! mainly because i went with aqa (english exam board) instead of ccea!

wer bouts in NI u from? im in Bangor lol!
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 5:45PM (Unverified) said

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All your base are belong to us!
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 6:12PM (Unverified) said

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ah, the good ol' days when you got a new pokemon game and on the back it said "Basic reading skills required to enjoy this game"

Lol.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2006 6:39PM (Unverified) said

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Well, there's always the other side of the problem. English isn't my first language, but I know enough to survive in London for six months.
How did I learn? Playing games; the first and the one who taught me most being Ultima VII.
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Posted: Dec 21st 2006 3:34AM (Unverified) said

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"Illiteracy is not a handicap, it's a fucking stupid way to be"

Wow, you guys are all haters. Some people have serious reading problems, and it's not for lack of trying. I know my little sister wishes more than anything that she could read and write as well as everyone else, unfortunately she is dyslexic. There was an article in Joystiq about games that inhibit the color blind,
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/30/colorblind-gaming-or-table-tennis-is-impossibly-hard/
and just the other day there was a story on epilepsy.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/19/epilepsy-and-games-a-closer-look/

I'm not suggesting that illeteracy is a serious illness, but some people just find reading tough. It can't be explained just like how some people aren't good in science or math.

This message board also could have gone into how text in games might be detrimental to the playing experience of the literate as well. Cinematics move from one line to another, as opposed to many games where you have to hit the "A" button after EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE. Or how as an opposite of what JD3 said, if a game has good voice actors, it could add a layer of drama and a deeper meaning than simple text.

But no people can't talk about topics like these, they just have to shoot the messenger. I don't know why I'm always suprised by the ignorance of people on these message boards.
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Posted: Dec 21st 2006 5:46AM Grauw said

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I can’t read sheet music very well, I always have to do that very slowly.

Doesn’t mean I can’t play music, or that having sheet music in front of me is not helpful when playing a song… There’s still guidance in the sheet music, even though I can’t read it fast enough to follow the normal pace of the music.

~Grauw
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Posted: Dec 21st 2006 9:55AM KTXL said

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Um, the Typing of the Dead?
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Posted: Dec 21st 2006 3:16PM (Unverified) said

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I would contend that, illness or not, stupidity or not, most people who can't read are probably not going to be in the income bracket to enjoy video games. The less education you have (according to Time Magazine, now; I'm not pulling this out of my butt) the longer hours you work. Figuring that illiterate equates to something less than a 5th grade education, time magazine suggests you'll be working something like nine and half hours a day. How would you find time to play games?
Of course, writing this I contemplate the irony of discussing longer work days for the less educated when I am working ten hour days myself most of this holiday season. Ah well, I don't have time to play games either.
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