Metareview - Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube)

This pretty much cements my view that gamespot is not a valid source to go to for reviews. They seem to have an agenda

Shut up. Just stop typing. You can find just as many people who would echo you as you can find people who would say the same thing about their PS3 coverage or their 360 coverage.

I'm sorry, but I own Gears of War and Z:TP, and there's no way GOW is that much better.

What constitutes being ".8 better?" You guys nitpicking stuff like this have no idea how to present a point, other than just saying "they're wrong" or "I'm pissed."


No game is perfect. I'd guess Tetris would come the closest, but it's really difficult to compare a puzzle game like that to, say, Super Mario 64 or whatever. A perfect score should be unachieveable. Sites and magazines to it to get attention, not because they are serious, insightful journalists.

"This pretty much cements my view that gamespot is not a valid source to go to for reviews. They seem to have an agenda..."

Shut up. Just stop typing. You can find just as many people who would echo you as you can find people who would say the same thing about their PS3 coverage or their 360 coverage.

"I'm sorry, but I own Gears of War and Z:TP, and there's no way GOW is that much better."

What constitutes being ".8 better?" You guys nitpicking stuff like this have no idea how to present a point, other than just saying "they're wrong" or "I'm pissed."


No game is perfect. I'd guess Tetris would come the closest, but it's really difficult to compare a puzzle game like that to, say, Super Mario 64 or whatever. A perfect score should be unachieveable. Sites and magazines to it to get attention, not because they are serious, insightful journalists.

GC version is more "true" to a traditional Zelda gamer - IMHO.

"ZEEEEELLLLLDDDAAAAA!!!! zelda ftw! my first born child will be named zelda or link! i love zelda!"

That was 1UP's actual review.

@PurpleSfinx:
The contents shape never changed. That lump of land was always there. All they did was zoom out on the map a little. Proof is in the following images found on Wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/World_of_Warcraft_World_Map.jpg/350px-World_of_Warcraft_World_Map.jpg

The only change was that the Islands in the Veiled Sea where the Draenei live were discovered and finally charted as the Alliance races formed an allegiance with the Draenei. The change came because there is this 100 pound gorilla of an expansion pack coming in January. It's all worth it. Trust me. I've been in the Beta since September, and outland is the best designed content in this game. That's my opinion, and the opinion of everyone else I've spoken with in Beta. Some might not like it, but that's your choice.

As for the reviews whatever. Reviews are COMPLETELY subjective. Reviewers express opinion. It's up to you to decide what your own opinion on a game is. Your opinion isn't necessarily the right one. That's the beauty of freedom. You're allowed to think what you want. Stop trying to tell everyone else their opinion is wrong. So what if they gave it a lower score at gamespot, does it make you dislike the game more? Probably not. So stop worrying about it. I love the Wii version. It's a fun game. It's a lot more epic than most Zelda games, and really was a nice change of pace in terms of being a Wolf. Again, my opinion. If you don't like it, that's cool. Your choice.

It has to suck knowing you just bought a Wii and the game looks exactly the same as a GameCube... which looks generally worse than any other LAST generation game console. If I had a Wii I would have wanted them to spend more time on the visuals. On the other hand, maybe that's not possible, considering the technical capabilities of the Wii.

Either way I suppose Zelda, regardless of technical ability, is about the gameplay. PS2 has God of War 2 coming out soon and I will surely buy it, even though I have a PS3 ... the game is awesome either way.

@PurpleSfinx

Sorry about that, you're right, he'd be in the alpha testing. I merely got my terminology mixed up for that one. I really don't follow the Xbox360 at all, so I got confused on that.
Anyway, as much as I trust him on the issue, I would kinda like to see someone else able to confirm anything about what happens with the left or right handed thing. Also tell if it actually does mirror reverse the level when you switch between left and right handed playing.

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Nintendo never claimed that Wii would have vastly improved graphics, they said "2-3 times better".Yes people would "crucify" X360 and PS3, but they have VASTLY improved graphics. I knew Zelda would not get perfect 10's everywhere. Oh yes, I'm 25 hours into
Zelda, it's my favorite series and I sill don't think it's perfect. But as many are saying, your view of perfect is different from mine or theirs, so play the game first and see what you think, instead of telling everybody how terrible Nintendo is.

Oh yes, and the frothing like little girls part-
1. Fanboys froth like little girls, not
usually casual gamers or gamers new to a series
2. I have a little sister and brother and they froth and scream the same way, no
difference between gender
3. Not all Wii owners bought Zelda. Do your research. The only 1:1 ratio game conceivably could be Wii Sports.

Sorry if you feel I'm flaming you, but I felt that you overlooked a few things.

BTW, Gamespot awarded this 88/100 game a spot as a runner up to the game of the year. Hmmm.

A. link is right handed because he isn't the link in OoT, having two hero's of time thhat are both lefty's is a probability nightmare.

B. they didn't mirrow the entire damn game to just change the arm link holds the sword in, thats more trouble then it's bloody well worth, they most likely did it to add some significant difference between the titles.

C. a perfect game is 11/10 as they are both imposible too obtain, however, a top ranking game is 10/10, with reviews always allow a little bit of leeway, it's a score from bad to good, 1 to 10, not bad to OMFG PURE PWNAGE GUYZ LAWL!!!

D. subjective points have no validity in arguments, there fore, no review can effectivly make an argumennt because all reviews are subjective.

E. Gamespot gets their viewers from being overly harsh, think about it, the first line of 3d games have shit reviews compared to current games, though they were old, they WERE revolutionary at the time, and therefore they should have gotten amazing marks just for being 3d

F. Gamespot was overly harsh in it's review on Zelda, all they complained about was that it was not handed down to nintendo from on high, possiblty on a orichalcum platter, maybe even adorned with mithril jewlery, and did annybody else notice that comment about the game being TOO long? wtf? they said 40 hours was too much "especially" for an action adventure game, wouldn't it stand to reason that zelda's genra should be the longest style of game? who would play a 40 hour shooter? it would have to be one hell of a game to not get repetative.

G. Gamespot should have been harping about the fact that the game starts off way too easy, and only at the end does it get a little tough. i would have to admit, i am angry that i didn't once get stuck on a puzzle for atleast 3 hours. however this is understandable, and nintendo is trying to get new fans to the franchize, so us zelda vets are going to just have to wait or the next game to be challenged.

H.you wag the damn wimote to attack, it's not like it takes that much skill, and rright handed link suure as hell doesn't make a difference on the bow or hookshot, this is jsut an excuuse for left handed people to act like they are being ignored and for die hard zelda fans that have named their pet parrot "sprite" to take up arms against a company that is trying to move forward withoutt pissing off to many fans, think about itt, how about they re-hash the entire system, fans wouldn't be pleased that it's a "new" game, they would be in an effing uproar that nintendo DARE mess with their traditional game.

"55. It has to suck knowing you just bought a Wii and the game looks exactly the same as a GameCube... which looks generally worse than any other LAST generation game console."

well, thats not actually true,

i don't understand where so much mis-information came from,

But despite what a lot of uninformed people think, the game cube was far more graphically capable than the ps2, and a quick look at any games playing on the systems quickly confirms that.

Yes it ultimately came in last place, and whether or not it was a better system than the PS2 is highly debatable. (because what truly determines a system's merit is games)

But still, factually, the game cube was a more powerful piece of hardware with clearer graphics.

I played through Twilight Princess and really enjoyed the experience. It wasn't the most difficult of Zeldas, and it didn't exactly have stacks and stacks of sidequests, but I enjoyed playing it. Which, at the end of the day, is what playing a game is all about. You don't play a game to be miserable, do you?

As for the comments about reviews, they are OPINIONS! Try to remember that. Just because somebody doesn't agree with what you think, doesn't mean they are out to kill you and your family. So just chill out. I personally think the game should've scored higher, but I can also see their points and I accept them. Their review didn't make me want to play the game any less.

As for the whole mirror-image thing. Nintendo did that to make the two versions slightly different.

I also saw somebody mention that the GameCube version of Twilight Princess was more expensive. The reason for this is because a lot of stores no longer stock GameCube games or hardware, because (let's face it), the system didn't sell that well. So, if stores were to actually stock the GameCube version, they would need to make a profit. Nearly every store in the country will be selling Wii consoles, so they'll sell in 'bulk'. It's hard to put into words, and I'm rambling, so I shall stop.

As for the whole 100/100, 10/10 or 5/5 thing, it doesn't mean the game is perfect (like so many other people have said), it just means the game is GREAT!

Take care people, I'm done rambling. :)

To begin with, LoZ:TP was originally designed for gamecube, and was in development for almost as long as the wii. It is a great game witha really satisfying story, possibly to counter the dissappointing boss fights. It's not a perfect game, so it doesn't deserve a 100%, but it might be worthy of a 10/10. What's the point of having a 100% system if you're never going to use the highest possible score?
As for 10/10 games, i'd say half life 2 for the balance, the challenge, the story and the feel of the game. Deus Ex for reaching and for it's time. And pandora directive, but that's another story. If you're looking for 100%, go out there and live your life, because it will be a long time before video games reach that pinacle. Anyway, for gamecube or wii, TP is a superb game. Hopefully the next one will advance the genre in ways we hoped this one would. If you're looking for the flagship of the wii, wait until the next wave of wii games. Nothing in the ps3 or xbox launch titles was as complete and staisfying a game as zelda. Except oblivion, but that wasn't exclusive.