Microsoft developer doubts Wii's endurance

Wrong use of "it's" in second paragraph's second sentence.

The Wii will stop being questioned when it's no longer a "Trendy" item.

I've already ran into people and had a conversation, similar to this:

"Yeah I play games"
"Really, sweet man. What games are you playing now?"
"Oh I only play Wii Sports"

Nintendo has taken the gaming console, and made it into a trendy item everyone has to have. Not because they're gamers, but because it's the "In" thing right now. Granted, this is what Nintendo wanted (With the broader audience) but you do have to question the longevity of something like that...

Before the Wii was released people questioned if it would work at all. And now that it is released people are questioning if it will still be fun tomorrow? Or the day after?

Every single person who has touched a Wii has had a blast with it. Every. Single. Person. Half of my friends hate videogames, yet they all love playing Wii. Microsoft is just trying to scare as many gamers away to sell a few more consoles before X-Mas.

The only reason the Wii could ever fail is if developers actively decided not to put their games on the system. The end.

The Wii is just the gamecube equivalent of the slim PStwo with a redesigned wavebird with motion sense tech and an updated OS. The Wii will probably suffer the same fate as the gamecube did and remain unique but underwhelming.

Agreed raphael and this is what this guy is doing.
Trying to make developers avoid the Wii.
MS is scared and it shows (wouldn't surprise me if their behind most of the Wii injuries).

To listen to what any MS employee has to say about his competition is crazy.
It's like asking the Ford car designer what he thinks of Chevy. I don't know why websites post this crap.

The iPod was also a "trendy" thing, and look how it's doing now...

raphael, stop being a drama queen.

The DS has been out for two years, and barely any of the games are truely original and innovative (BA, EP, EBA, etc.), the rest are ports or sequels from Nintendo franchise.

Most people won't care about more sequels, but to me, the Wii is just another excuse to keep selling more sequels with less innovation. Nintendo just feeds us these extra cheap "innovative" games like Wii Sports/Music/Motor Sports to claim they are innovative.

If Nintendo wants to be innovative they need to make real software that takes advantage of more than just the controller itself. I don't want Gamecube games with new controls.

There was a lot of hype about the DS touch screen. Sure, we saw a few games that made use of it, though most have been traditional games.

The Wii could fall prey to the same fate, but I doubt it. The control scheme forces developers to be innovative. The biggest issue with Wii is the graphics horsepower (or lack thereof). I get the feeling that we won't see too much more graphically, though I have been wrong before...

I DO believe that the controller will lead to more immersive games and think Wii Sports is just the tip of the iceberg.

I have a Wii, dont care for it so not everyone raphael. I only play bowling with my girlfriend who is a Zelda nut and the reason I bought it for her. Just not my thing.

In a group environment it is probably the most fun, but on your own I find no use for it.

When they break 15 million units sold they will be beyond the gimmick questions. When they break 25 million they will be a serious contender for new gen supremacy. When they break 40 million they will be declared the winner of this gen. 50 million plus and they'll be back to the old school Nintendo home system numbers.

This guy knows all about the difficulties involved in sustaining a consoles "long term potential". After all, the Xbox was replaced only 4 years after release.

"But assuming Wii can consistently prove itself moving forward, at what point will its sustainability stop being questioned?"

Never.
The "it's a gimmick" accusation is the main fallback for all anti-Wii groups and individuals, second only to "ZOMG GRAFFIX."

Even when it turns out that it isn't a gimmick and that graphics don't matter these anti-Wii groups will continue to harp on those points because they know that even though the overwhelming majority of people disagree, THEIR FANBASE ("Xbots" & "SONYfags") believes those things to be true, and they're going to do their best to placate/reassure their fans no matter how many lies they have to spew.

Wii won the launch battle.
It's yet to be seen if Wii will win the long haul, but if Sony continues to see production problems and doesn't drop prices, it's looking like Wii will win this round in terms of market saturation.

raphael,


Sorry to burst your bubble but I did not have a blast with it and I know I'm far from alone in not having fun with the wii. I digged the cube and had fun w/ the 64, but this wii junk is awful. Then again I do not like the gimmicky ds either. No fun to be had in Nintendoland as of late. Their wares play like dated reruns that have nonsensical doodads tacked on in hopes of overcompensating for their lowtechness.

@ 8.

"If Nintendo wants to be innovative they need to make real software that takes advantage of more than just the controller itself. I don't want Gamecube games with new controls."

What games would you consider "innovative" on the other consoles then? I'd just like to know...

And I'd also like to know how "a different way to play a game" isn't innovative. When games went to 3D, nobody said, "Oh well, they're just the same games, only in 3D now." But whatever. Delusions are cool.

@Ronin Seraph, Surely thats the intention of every person trying to sell something - to make it the 'in' thing. Off the top of my head, the iPod, thats been the 'in' thing for years now....doesnt mean its suddenly going to fall apart for Apple.

Electronics usually don't have long life spans before something new gets released, but i don't see any reason why the Wii can't hold it's own until the next Nintendo product is released in maybe 5 years or so?

Granted, comparing the iPod and the Wii is not really suitable considering how different the markets are - but Nintendo will try as much as possible to keep the console as 'trendy' as possible, just like Microsoft and Sony will do the same thing.

@8 "The DS has been out for two years, and barely any of the games are truely original and innovative (BA, EP, EBA, etc.), the rest are ports or sequels from Nintendo franchise."

Can you name 5 games for the PSP what is completely new/innovative? I can for the DS: Trauma Center, Pheonix Wright, Club House Games, Nintendogs, and Feel the Magic XY/XX.

I dont think it's accurate to say the industry's been stagnate over the past decade. It has in fact grown so much that they make movies (not very good ones) and books based on game franchises, consule launches get national media attention from every source even the evening news, and of course people blame video games for their illegal behavior.
Sure, I still use the D-Pad and analog sticks, but I'm very happy with my 360 and the quality and inovation of the games and dont think industry's been festering for 10 years before the Wii came along.

"But assuming Wii can consistently prove itself moving forward, at what point will its sustainability stop being questioned?"

What have they proven exactly?

The best game is Zelda, which spent 4+ years in development, has a built in fanbase, has tacked on controls, and isnt even exclusive to the Wii.

Meanwhile, all their third party games are sh!t. Just read the reviews, im not the one saying it. FPSs are dead on Wii. Racing games are dead on Wii. Golf sims are dead on Wii. Whats left? Mario-[sport]? Point and click Flash games like Elebits? Mini and party game compilations?

Aside from Nintendo franchises and mini/party games, what do people have to look forward to in 2007? Nothing. Zero. Nada. Zip.

Wii may be GC1.5 in terms of specs, but, once the hype has settled, its going to be GC0.5 in terms of sales and marketshare. Enjoy your honeymoon period Nintendo fans; there's gonna be a drought of worthwhile games come 2007.. you know it.

I think the Wii will definitely have staying power, but not in the way we usually use the term. In the niche it's carved, it'll thrive, because it really has no competition. In the epic games area, mm, not really. I still don't think it's going to bring over many "hardcore" gamers; I mean yeah, some may purchase it as a secondary console, but for the more "serious" games which push the graphics and processing power of the new consoles, the Wii isn't going to change anything.

I know, I know, "graphics don't equal gameplay, gameplay over graphics." Yeah, but Tetris is a heck of a lot of fun, and yet sometimes I want to play something more "heavy." I think there are "heavy" games and "lite" games, and I think where the Wii's going to succeed is in the lite area. "What about Zelda?" you ask. "Puzzles, engrossing gameplay, etc." I'm not saying the Wii won't get any games like that, but in the long run I think developers of epic adventure games and such will lean toward the consoles that can simply do more. The wiimote is supposed to be fun and all (yes, I admit it, I haven't tried it yet), but I think that in more involved, demanding games, the value it adds to the fun factor is going to be significantly less than, say, a much lighter game which requires less use of your brain to play (note: this isn't supposed to sound condescending). So I guess I'm saying that the wiimote adds more to simpler games than to more involved ones.

To be honest, the wiimote doesn't seem like it'd be that fantastic of a controller when playing something like an RPG with turn-based battles, or any other game that's not directly controlling the movement of one person.

Anyways, sorry if this post sounds incoherent. Just my perspective.

#13 I excused games like Trauma Center, hence the "etc.". You can't call the DS/Wii platform innovative when 5%-15% of the games or ideas are original. And did I ever say the PSP was more innovative? NO. It's just a Dreamcast with media features.

I own a Wii and a Xbox360. I love the Wii, but I definitely see where he is coming from. If the wii doesn't get better games than the gamecube, it's in trouble.

You know Optimus Prime one day that bubble you're living in is going to pop.

I can tell you've never played the Wii.

Happy trolling freak.

One thing a lot of you don't get is that the Wii is going to take off with the late-20s/early-30s market in a way that no other console has been able to. Video games in general are considered "kiddie stuff" because the primary demographic is the 12-22 age range. Past that people get jobs, people get lives, and people don't have time to play video games for long stretches.

In steps the Wii, which focuses mostly on games that you can quickly get in and out of in 15-30 minute bursts, with the occasional longer game. Suddenly a whole new market opens! You don't have to sit down for a four hour marathon of turn-based whatsis, and you don't have to sit down with your clan for a 2 hour seige on whatever other clan you're fighting, you can just turn something on for a short amount of time, get involved, feel like you've done something, and then turn the machine off. It's amazin!

Most people i know in that age bracket actually complain about Zelda being too long and too involved, because as older gamers WE DON"T HAVE TIME FOR LENGTHY GAMING SESSIONS ANY MORE. Weeknights I'm busy doing other stuff, and on weekends I'm generally spending time with my girlfriend instead of playing video games. The Wii gives me my gaming fix without taking up a lot of time. It's great!

Speaking of honey moon periods optimus i think ps3 has ended there's prematurely

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can't even ebay the damn thing for retail (ebayer would lose over US$100 selling the ps3 or -20%). I though there was only like 500k world wide - so rare - and yet still very difficult to unload on ebay.

look at the Wiis on ebay, they sell for around US$400 thats over US$100 profit (search yourself if you can). Theres 4 times as many as there are ps3 but people are willing to pay up to 60% more on ebay just to get one.

So funny, sonyfanboys are the most delusional people (well some not all) posting on forums today.

SO keep kidding yourself buddy.

I like how all these "innovators" seem to think the Wii didn't ship with a 7-button controller. There's more there then just motion sensors.

Granted, only two buttons are really usable while gaming, but throw in a nunchuck and you've got 4 usable buttons, an analog controller, and a d-pad. Is that just a "fad"?

How's that Xbox selling, Chris?

To be honest, in the beginning I found little use for my DS. If I remember rightly, the launch line up was poor. Now look at it, and the great games being released for it. Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Final Fantasy, Elite Beat Agents...and this isn't even counting Nintendo's own titles. It's an extremely popular machine.

I realise the home console market and the handheld market are completely different, but I don't like people like Optimus Prime condemning a console barely a month after its release. Is it so far beyond people to look at the success of the DS and keep an open mind about the Wii?

I can see why he thinks this and i too did think the same but at the end of the day its Nintendo. They have been in the business for years and they aint gonna go away. Sure its a risk but if one company can make it work its Nintendo.

Can someone please ask Chris Sachel or tell me what, exactly is compelling about playing the same types of games with the same types of control, just with prettier graphics?

If Sony or Microsoft want to be innovative they need to make real software that takes advantage of more than just the GPU itself. I don't want Playstation 1 and Xbox games with flashier visuals.

Terrak, do you have a counter point to ANY of my arguments? No? I didnt think so.

By spewing unrelated information, you are basically agreeing with me, so, thank you. And, using eBay resale values at launch to project console viability 2 to 4 years down the road is stupid. Dont be stupid.

OK, well I love my 360, and I may pick up a Wii later when the price drops. But I think the control scheme may get old and stale, I mean think of allthe sports games that are going to be released for the Wii, but more than likely the controls will all be the same, plus the graphics will all be maxed out long before the next nintendo console comes out. So if you release an annual franchise game, what exactly can you add/change about last years game? my guess not much, so while this is definately the Christmas of Nintendo, I think we may see a much different scenario next year. the Ipod has evolved since it's first release, but how much exactly can you evolve the Wii before just putting out a new console?

I agree somehow, but in comparison to X360 or PS3, the Wii is a beacon of light. Enhancing graphics can only go so far.

What does Xbox 360 has going for it? A bunch of shooters and nothing else.

What does the PS3 has going for it? Overpriced half-assed multimedia machine.

Like the DS before it, it's going to take a while til the gems come out for the Wii.

Wii is underwhelming.

Wii will not last, its novelty will run off.

Wii will end up dead last this generation.

i bought my wii on launch day, waited 4 hours in the morning and enjoyed it...at first. like you guys are saying, everyone i know enjoyed it. i showed parents, relatives, and all my friends. but honestly, it was a dissapointment. not even a month after and i am bored with it. im actually playing my 360 an extreme amount more. the wii may just be going through launch time suck-ness, but i am not happy. the games arent good (except for tp, which i beat and admit it was a terrific game). sports is just ok, and everything else sucks (i think the wii holds record to the worst reviewed games at launch with 71 percent average, a percent or two behind the ps3!

major warning to anyone thinking about buying it:
play it at a friends or anywhere you can to try it, try more than 3 of the games, then make your decision.

Optimus, when your argument is just that you, personally, dislike the Wii, it's kind of hard to come up with points to argue against you.

Some criticisms are valid, of course, but the cries of "OMG GIMMICK! TACKED ON CONTROLS!" are getting old and wearing thin. They obviously don't apply, so let's try to focus on things that do.

Maybe the control scheme WILL get boring after a while! Who knows! But all the criticisms of the Wii's controls could be said of the PS3 or 360 controlls. Just because something is the established standard - in this case traditional gamepads - doesn't make it GOOD.

The day people start buying multiplatform games on the Wii instead of those other platforms. Sure Zelda, Metroid and Mario will sell well but how will Madden or Splinter Cell or some other multiplatform game do?

@ Random Insanity

... Besides Trauma Center, the games you listed aren't completely new and innovative either. Pheonix Wright is comparable to many of the Adventure games that were rampant in quantity for the PC. There is nothing new and innovative that franchise offers, Fun and interesting yet, new? no. Nintendogs? Ever hear of catz? or dogz for the pc? Magic XY/XX is basically Wario ware with a stylus, a crappy version I might add. Clubhouse games? You can't be serious...The EU version of the same thing is called "42 All-Time Classics" how is that new and innovative?

A better list for the DS would have been:
Trauma Center, Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, Meteos, Kirby Canvas Curse, Cooking Mama (basically wario ware touch tho, so maybe not, I'm struggling to get 5 here)

And the list for PSP:
Loco Roco, Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, B-Boy, Killzone Liberation

Tho the list for the psp can be argued about, so could the DS list, really depends on how general you wanna get. Not that I, in any way, shape, or form, am supporting a crappy game like bboy, at least its a new /innovative game. Either way, As bitstream says, a majority of the good games on the DS don't even use the gimmicky stylus. I have a DS and a PSP. I have played a wealth of games on both systems, and this whole "DS games are better than PSP games" myth is completely untrue. I'd say in terms of quality they are equal. In terms of short fun bursts the DS has the edge, but in terms of a great gaming experience the PSP has the edge.

Anyways, on topic. I doubt the Wii has much lasting power also. If in 2 years the Wii is still going as strong as it is now, then I will eat my words and gladly go buy a Wii. But, I doubt it.

The Wii was to gain back the market they lost with GameCube. GBA and Cube fell in the toy department and thus, most of the time it's young kids buying them.

The Wii and DS has brought them back to not marketting a specific group. I have a Wii, DS, GBA, PSP, PS2, and GameCube. In my opinion, Nintendo is the greatest video game developer. Zelda TP was great. The controller didn't really add to the gaming excitement. Maybe it's because it's a GameCube port, sure. But Wii Sports I could take out when I play with my friends and Elebits I play seldomly. I spend most of my time still practicing my wavedashing, shuffling, and short hops in smash.

Just think, imagine Zelda TP redone in 1080p. Ooo's and ahh's. Yes, I hope the Wii lasts for 3 or 4 years like the game gamecude did, so prices can drop on CPU and GFX chips. I will get a PS3 if Sony can pick up the steam (which they probably will, let's face it). In 3 to 4 years 3rd gen PS3 games will look amazing and the Wii will need an upgrade, at least to 720p.

This guy is probably right, in 5 years a 733mhz console won't be able to fully compete with xbox360 triple 3GHZ or PS3's cell chip. it's noticeable now and think in a few more years. sure 3rd and 4th gen wii games will look good, but look at the gamecube. latest gen gamecube game didn't look as great as 1st gen xbox360. but i have faith in nintendo, 3-4 years, a new console will come out, and backwards compatible probably.

@32 - Phil, the Wii scores overall are higher than the PS3 scores.
Check out the most recent issue of Game Informer.

@33 - Thanks for your opinion. Got anything to indicate that it's anything other than that?

@34 - Are you assuming that most people own more than one platform? Because I hate to break it to you, but in the expensive current-gen market with the Wii/360/PS3, most people are going to own ONE platform, not multiples. People will buy the version that comes out on the platform that they own, so household saturation is the most important factor in which platform's version sells the most, not quality of the game. Regardless of which version is better, the version that belongs to the console that's in the most homes will win.

@Optimus Prime, wow, your comments are the mark of a man who has almost zero imagination. I'm glad that all you have to contribute to the industry is some short-sighted commentary at a video game blog and not part of a team who'll actually be making a game. I'm sure if you were a game developer all you'd do is demoralize your teammates. The Wii's control interface opens up a completely new way of playing games, and as a gamer I am totally supportive and excited. It is one thing for the competition to bad-mouth Nintendo, but for a gamer to do so, well, you gotta ask yourself if you really do want something new (and then support it) or if you just want to complain (and not contribute anything at all).

Is Microsoft fearful of Nintendo? Possibly, but I think the fear of Nintendo is insignificant for a few reasons:

1) If the industry really does need to expand its overall customer base, letting Nintendo take the risk in expanding it is not bad. If it fails, it only hurts Nintendo. If it succeeds, then Microsoft will just take a slice out of a bigger pie and will have the chance to implement the same technology in 5 years when xbox III is released.

2) Nintendo's system is cheap, so it's likely that many of the gamers Microsoft is targeting will eventually buy both systems.

3) It's really looking possible that Sony blew their lead. If that's the case then Microsoft's gain into Sony's slice of the pie might significantly outweigh Nintendo's bigger slice (and if #1 holds true then the entire pie will be larger thus making the situation even better for Microsoft)


I have a Wii and love Nintendo products, but I'm seriously considering buying the xbox 360 for HD games once Microsoft gets the hardware stable. I have absolutely no interest in the PS3.

I'll be honest, I've held off on the Wii because I fear the games will turn out to be more tech-demos, and the novelty will wear thin.

I hope it doesn't happen, and hope it turns out to be better for FPS games than it currently is, but I can't help but have some serious doubts.

Regardless, even if it turns out to be a passing fad that dies a cold death tomorrow outside of first party support I'd probably be happy with it. I loved my GC despite buying almost exclusively first party games. Smash Brothers alone is worth the cost of admission for both consoles.

hahahah your hilarious optimus you know that. You can't even remember what you wrote recently. ok heres a reminderHeres what YOU said

#15
" its going to be GC0.5 in terms of sales and marketshare... Enjoy your honeymoon period Nintendo fans..."

my links prove that its the ps3 thats failing to sell, and the Wiis are fetching pretty hefty prices - even the same price as an xbox360. I don't know how this was difficult for you to understand.

UNrelated? I think not. Please explain why the extremely rare ps3s are not selling or fetching the high prices/premiums that Wiis are enjoying on ebay???

as for your other comments - there just your opinions, not facts. What do i care what a sonyfanboy thinks of the Wii? You gonna say the Wii's crap - Big f**king surprise.

To #27

Your theory is flawed, I fail to see how the Wii is anymore casual or easier to play then its competition.

You're basically saying that busy people can switch on the Wii, play 30 minutes of Wii Sports then go get on with their busy lifestye. Last time I checked, I could just sit down, relax, turn on my Xbox 360 and play a few minutes of Top Spin, Fifa, or any other sports game.

The sports games on other consoles would also look far more realisic as well, so that's another part of your theory that is flawed, you typed yourself that older people think "video games in general are considered kiddie stuff". So how can the Wii discourage those people with games like WiiSports which (to say the least) looks like a poorly put togethor digital cartoon, how would the wiimote and the miis discourage them to think games are for kids.

I just don't see where you're coming from that makes you think the Wii is the only console that allows brief gaming sessions. I want 15 minutes of tennis, great, I want 15 minutes of slaughtering zombies, great, I want 15 minutes of experiancing a cinematic warzone, great, I want 15 minutes of burning u the nurburgring, great, I can do all of that on Xbox 360. And get this, I can do it when I come back from a hard days work and don't feel like moving my arm about.

lol, he said the wii wont have good games next year...

have you heard of super mario galaxy? or metroid prime 3?

Or Super smash bros. brawl? SUPER SAMSH BROTHERS BRAWL!!!!!!!!?

"I think the Wii is of interest [but] I'm not sure what its long term potential is ... :

In other words.... "I don't have a clue"

in part i do agree with what they say... i mean what's the system gonna do in the future. are they really gonna put out quality products that really redefine gameplay?

furthermore, third-party developers' biggest rival is nintendo ironically. it's always nintendo that somehow puts out some pretty damn good games and takes the spotlight away from third-party. and to be honest, other than a potential better red steel game from ubisoft and atlus, i am not really expecting much from third party at all... everything seems to be riding on first party. i'm hoping though at the very least, square enix would do something good for the wii.

but i'm just glad nintendo's doing something different this round. i mean, as good as graphics are, they don't really impress me anymore. everything's getting more real and it's all predictable. if a game has good gameplay, story, or something really oddly interesting, i'll play it disregarding the graphics.

of course, in the business standpoint, graphics is superior in considering getting consumer attention. i've had this talk too many times with people and i get the same responses. it makes sense that nintendo took this route because battling out for next gen by showing off superior graphics won't work for nintendo too well because just as graphics as important, there's just one other superior factor to consider in this next gen war... and that's third-party support.

if sony can maintain all the support it got for the PS2, then the PS3 may turn out good in the long run assuming these third-party developers put out good iterations of (fill in franchise here).

i hope nintendo gets off and running like they did with the ds... i believe the ds had a rather slow start but really picked up later on.

the last thing i need is the next next-gen war to be between sony and microsoft.

Oh god, Optimus Grime is drunk again...LOOK OUT!!!

"When they break 15 million units sold they will be beyond the gimmick questions."

The GameCube sold more than 15 million units.

"When they break 25 million they will be a serious contender for new gen supremacy."

The Nintendo 64 sold more than 25 million units.

"When they break 40 million they will be declared the winner of this gen."

The winner of the past two generations sold more than 100 million units. The game industry will shrink by more than 60% this gen?

"50 million plus and they'll be back to the old school Nintendo home system numbers."

Trouble is, the size of the market has nearly doubled since then. For Nintendo to have a similar impact as they did in the old days, they'd have to double their old-school numbers too.

The point is, the numbers people are throwing around right now at and near launch mean *nothing*. 4 million units by Christmas? That's a drop in the bucket. 10 million systems in a year? Yeah, that's half of what the PS2 was doing at its peak. 197,000 launch units, 400,000 launch units, 4 million units, 15 million units, none of these numbers mean anything.

The fact of the matter is one of these manufacturers could sell 50 million units and come in a *distant second*. Whether or not that matters is another question, but since so many people here seem to care so much about who "wins" any given generation, well, there it is.

As for the Wii's longevity, pick up this month's EGM and look at the list of upcoming games. They're almost all Nintendo, and most of them are late next year. And this is Nintendo; you know even those dates are gonna slip. If the Xbox 360 is really the Xbox 1.5, then the Wii really is the GameCube 2. Prepare for some long waits between games, people. And that's what killed the GameCube (which was a shame, because it was my favorite piece of hardware in the last generation).

You can't point to the DS as indicative of the Wii's success or lack thereof. I don't really understand why some people can't seem to separate home and portable consoles - they are different animals. The PS2, hugely successful. The PSP, less so. The GBA, big splash in the market. The GameCube, not so much. Why the expectation that all of a sudden the Wii and the DS will blaze the same trail? The home and portable market are two different beasts. Nintendo knows the portable market. They've perfected it. But they're no longer in their element in home consoles, mostly because they can neither manage to secure a large variety of third party games anymore, nor can they pump out their own titles fast enough.

@Optimus Prime
Just stick with your Sixaxis controller and go play your hardcore videogames wich you seem to think is tough and cool. Ninty gave birth to your controller and will even give birth to your next controller for your PS4 console. Face it Optimus your a style biter.

I'm not a Wii hater, I just don't think the Xbox 360s current games and lineup of games get enough credit. They are only ever labelled as "the same but shinier".

Well, that's just wrong, for example; Capcom's Dead Rising, when was the last time you played a game with literally 100s of zombies around you, with you being able to pick up almost anything to kill them with. This is new, therefore innovative, and it is the extra power that allows so much to be in the same game space at the same time. Another example; Gears of War, great technical achievement, awesome cinematic gameplay with an innovative cover system and gore like nothing else in any other game. Another example; Bioware's upcoming Mass Effect, explore hundreds of different locations on the galaxy with onnovative control and conversation system.

I feel that the Wii will fall behind in many respects, such as the obvious visuals, but also more complex AI, larger environments, a more detailed and interactive game world and finally, an easily accessible and personalized online experiance.

As I said i'm not a Wii hater, I respect that the Wii has at least one innovative feature, which is control.

Oh and the weather service that is FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!