Tretton: PS3 will be "difficult to cost reduce"

What a moron. I would dearly LOVE to have a PS3... I just can't justify it. Look at it this way...

$600 - PS3 & 1 Games
$045 - Wireless Controller
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$650 Total


$250 - Wii & 1 Game
$045 - 2nd Wiimote
$025 - 2nd Nunchuck
$030 - 2gb SD Card
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$350 Total

There's ONLY a six game difference in price... *rolls eyes* and GAMES are the primary reason why people buy consoles, not blueray drives, not dvd players, etc.

On top of that the rep sony is getting for their mismanagement of every mmo they touch, the way they treat customers, etc... It's pretty much the suck for sony. At this point I'd buy a 360 before a ps3... I'm sure I'll eventually get a PS3... about the time it hits 400$ in price.

Hmmm ... maybe I should short sony stock?

No one can figure out Sony's market strategy. Not even Sony. The have positioned a mature bread and butter brand as a gamble in multiple markets: gaming, hifi home video and internet set top box. No one knows what PS3 is anymore, so no one gets it. 360 and Wii grow from the core out to the other markets. PS3 need all three markets to come together to be a hit.

The problem is that the 3 markets sony needs to bring together are different demographics: young cheap ass gamers, old serious dignified hifi enthusiasts, and TV moms who are uncomfortable with computers but ok with the cable box.

That would require a schizophrenic marketing campaign. And it looks like thats what Sony is engaged in. So gamers are baffled by what sony says. And everyone else dismisses PS3 as toy! Hello, Sony! Get your message straight.

I'm not fanboy of any system, I owned almost all the good consoles put out in this country... PS2, Xbox, GC, DC, PS1, N64, SNES, Genesis, NES, TG16, Master System... and my problem isn't really the cost of the PS3... it's the cost for what you get. I end up spending 600-700 on EVERY console easily. By the time you get memory, extra controllers, a few games...etc... you're easily at $600-$700. The problem is the console STARTS at $600 and only goes up from there... by the time you get all you need you're going to be looking at 1k-1.2k easily. The price of a midrange gaming computer. That's silly. A 200$ price drop on the PS3 would convince a lot of us to purchase it... as it stands I plan on purchasing it... about 2-3 years down the road. I won't pay the current price for it.

Anyone remember the Neo-Geo or 3D0?

Killer technical specs, great games, amazing arcade quality graphics... stupid price tag.

Two of the three consoles that have ever been over $500 introduction price have failed miserably because of the price. The third is the PS3, it's not failed miserably yet, but that's only because its the predecessor to the PS2 and everyone expects it to do well. Had it been a new competitor in the industry it would have already flushed. The price is too high.

Price Drops of PS3 in Japan

"It seems that the PS3 is not only stalling here in the states but, back in Japan as well. Kotaku is reporting that PS3s are stacking up on shelves. Retailers are taking matters into their own hands and offering temporary price cuts of up to 10,000 yen ($82). I wonder how long till we see similar measures taken here in the US. One, thing is clear something needs to happen soon to jump start lagging sales. As much as I hate to say this, it's starting to feel like the Dreamcast all over again."

You see, this article is just not true. PS3 in Japan is already down to the equivalent of $329USD. And that's the country that's supposed to buy it regardless of whether or not there are any games for it (which Sony is obviously testing in full but not having as good of luck as they thought). Oops.

#95. Uh...you need groceries to survive. You don't need a ps3 to survive. Comparing spending $600 on groceries over several months to spending $600 on a ps3 is just ...dumb, for lack of a better word.

And I really worry about retailers cutting prices by 10,000 yen. It can't be helping their profit margin any and if I had to do that JUST to sell a product, I doubt I'd be ordering any more of that product in anytime soon. Considering how valuable floor space is, as well as warehousing.

remember the 3DO also had a $600+ price tag when it debuted and look what happened...and i bought one when they first came out...

and shit if i didn't purchase a PS3 also...........

I also think the price drop will be closely tied to the adoption of BluRay vs HD DVD. It has been shown before that the consumer market will not stand for two formats--DVD- vs DVD+, betamax vs vhs, etc. One will either die out, or, more likely, drives will be able to do both HD and BluRay (similar to what happened with DVD drives years ago).
Think about it--the drive would probably drop $50-75, and due to larger adoption, Sony should make more money from selling movies. Thus, they would more apt to drop the price further. AND if MS drops their price by next xmas, then Sony is totally screwed. I predict a $150-200 drop by next December.

Price. Price does not concern me at this moment, neither does the PS3's current lack of titles. I purchased the Xbox 360 a week or so ago after a friend got me hooked on Gears of War. I shelled out nearky $700 bucks to get the 20 gb version with one extra controller and HD DVD player. Now that I think about it I wish I had purchased the top of the line PS3 for an extra hundred. This is exactly what pissed me off about the original Xbox, I had to spend all this money on accessories. At lease with the PS2 and now the PS3 I just needed memory or an extra controller. Add to that I we'll have to pay for Xbox live, yes it is better but the Sony version for PS2 was free and I believe so is the new version. I don't know, people say the PS3 has lost this battle already, I don't see how anyone can make any judgments at this point it is way too early to tell, and heck the PS2 is still outselling ALL other systems every month.

I should add that I also have a Wii. I have been a loyal Nintendo fanboy for decades, but I think this new system is going to flop. Hear me out. My NES and SNES were great! The N64 stunk because the only good games were Nintendo titles while everything else was horrible. I didn't get a GC because it just seemed like more of the same. I do have a DS and I love it but as usual the only games that are really any good are the Nintendo games, and frankly I'm alittle sick of Mario, Samus, and the gang. I really feel the Wii is going to be just like the N64, GC, DS and every other late Nintendo creation full of games that are great for 5 year olds and a few great first party titles that really push the limits of the system, while every 3rd party title will just be ports or never fully utilize the Wii.

In the end it will be Microsoft vs Sony and if I have to shell out a few hundred bucks I'd rather go with the system that has the potential to be the greatest for the long run and that's the PS3. I just know if I get the PS3 next that I'll be buying another Xbox in 5 years to compete with it and not the next next gen from Sony.

I would like to get a PS3, but not over $400 plus tax. Most of the exclusives that are coming out do not interest me. I am mostly like western style games. PS3 games are just too eastern for me.

@(resistance: fall of 360)
You know, its fun tearing apart your arguments
*You know…,you’re not tearing anything apart….

“not talking about retail pricing. talking about build cost. the ps3 costs in the neighborhood of $900 to make, remember? ken says to work those extra overtime hours!”
Who cares how much it costs, its 170USD more retail – for a PS2 / blu-ray player with superior build. Don’t have to “work overtime” getting it changed when it conks out.
*Keep telling yourself the ps3 is a bargain. If you’re a gamer, you didn’t buy a ps3 because it plays
Ps2 games(ps2 games look ''unbelievable'' on the ps3 don't they....) and BR-movies.

“stand-alone blu-ray players will fall in price a lot faster than the ps3.”
‘’Therefore? Its 700USD today versus 50 extra for the PS3 – by the time BR is 50 (2010?) the PS3 will be USD200.’’
*I believe there will be a BR-player that will cost just as mush if not less then a ps3 before 2010.

“oh, and that's the xbox 360's LAST 15 months. see? the ps3 is late”
So buy the PS2 – 1000+ games. PS3: One year late + 2 years extra support (as you saw in PS2 vs XBOX) = 3 years extra games.*(sorry I don’t understand…..what’s your point?)what does the ps2 have to do with the new gen?


“vf5 / mgs4 / dmc4 / FF-- doesn't count” “resistance – decent. lair -- maybe. warhawk -- broken, left-over scraps. “
There – you have proved that 360 has the better games (Gears)
I hate how people characterize the xbox as a shooter console like there isn’t
Anything else…..well……off the top of my head
Enchanted Arms
Eternal Sonata
Fable 2
Final Fantasy XI
Lost Odyssey
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War
Blue Dragon
Cry On
Just to name a few RPGs (since the first xbox was lacking this)

“motorstorm -- uh... still broken”
Have you checked the gameplay vids?
*game play vids, hmmm…..every time I hear/read that I think of Killzone 2.
No buggy games(Like dead Rising)so…still a lot of fun to play right.
or shoddily made consoles from Sony.(yeah PS2s NEVER brake down)

“ cross-platformers don't count”
Oh yes they do. GTA4, Assasins did not release in the 360 first year- maybe they were waiting for the PS3 to arrive?
*sigh* one more time : “ cross-plat formers don't count”(those game were in/are in development)

“it has this thing called xbox live. and, they have this cool "free feature matching" policy too."
That’s..ummm…200 dollars for 4 years? There goes your cost advantage
*You don’t have to have a gold membership to download ‘’free stuff’’ on xbox live.

“gears nominated for an outrageous 10 aias awards”
That’s 2 awards for each hour of gameplay, wow.
* Ahhhh….resistance didn’t get anything did it…?
resistance:the fall of the ps3

anyway,I'd love to get a ps3 but €600 is a lot of money.(it was hard for me to spend €400 on my 360
but yo gears it the s***!)
And since they're losing 200 per console,I just don't think a price cut is coming soon.

"If the price of a PS3 dropped in the short term to a level perceived as 'affordable' or 'good value' by the mainstream public they'd instantly be eroding their own stand alone Blu-Ray market - why pay almost double for a Blu-Ray player when you can have a Blu-Ray player AND games consoel for half the money?"

jdoki. the term you're looking for is channel conflict. i wrote that very issue up over a year ago:
http://m3mnoch.wordpress.com/2006/01/06/the-blu-ray-of-damocles/


@resistance: fall of 360

"You know, its fun tearing apart your arguments"
glad you're having fun. the rest of us are still trying to figure out what the hell you're even talking about.

"Who cares how much it costs, its 170USD more retail – for a PS2 / blu-ray player with superior build. Don’t have to “work overtime” getting it changed when it conks out."
well. evidently everyone cares about how much it costs. it's called trickle-down.

with that high of a price-tag, sony can't afford price drops in any reasonable time (see the original post) and therefore, it can't ever get out of the early adopter phase. that means you don't have 20 million consoles out there. that means devs don't target your platform. that means you don't get any of the good games.

so, because the ps3 costs sony so much to build, it means you don't get any good games.

yes. you should care.


"Therefore? Its 700USD today versus 50 extra for the PS3 – by the time BR is 50 (2010?) the PS3 will be USD200."
did you miss the whole "stand-alones will fall faster" bit? so, by the time the premium ps3 is $500, stand-alone blu-ray players will be $300.


"So buy the PS2 – 1000+ games. PS3: One year late + 2 years extra support (as you saw in PS2 vs XBOX) = 3 years extra games."
uh. what the hell are you talking about? support for the xbox was dropped early because of console build-cost issues. sound like a familliar problem?


"Dead rising / Gears was released with a base of 6mn, R6 / GRAW with 3mn"
i don't see your point. so, the 360's launch games are better than the ps3's? call of duty 2 was launched with ZERO install base.

launch year games that are bought and paid for are not what we're talking about. we're talking about all of the okamis and guitar heroes and grand theft autos that are out there waiting to be made. and, they pick the console with the biggest install base.

from a developer's point of view, the biggest draw to a console is sales potential. do i roll with my new, risky ip on a console with an install base of 5 million units? or do i go with the console with 20 million units?

either way, same development cost. (i'm even nicely excluding the fact that tco of ps3 development is higher than the 360) more potential buyers.

that's obviously just for exclusives.


"Have you checked the gameplay vids? And they will get multiplayer when it reaches US – No buggy games (Like dead Rising) or shoddily made consoles from Sony"

so, wait. gameplay vids? you don't even have a ps3 yet you're defending it to the death? bwahahahahhahahha....


"Oh yes they do. GTA4, Assasins did not release in the 360 first year- maybe they were waiting for the PS3 to arrive?"
okay. by that logic, oblivion doens't count for the ps3 -- as it was "exclusive" to the 360. rs3: vegas doesn't count for the ps3. in fact, that means none of the launch games but resistance, riiiiiiidge racer, genji and gundam count for the ps3.

no. that's stupid.

ports don't count towards exclusivity.


"That’s..ummm…200 dollars for 4 years? There goes your cost advantage"

damn! your right!

tho, since you can get all those downloads on xbox live for free, you don't need to pay the $200 for the live subscription. tho, to help make your point, i'll show you other ways the "360 cost advantage disappears."

you're right, a 360 and 4 years of live -- cost advantage gone!

a 360 and 4 award-winning, exclusive games -- cost advantage gone!

a 360 and 100 starbucks lattes -- cost advantage gone!

a 360, a hooker and a bag of blow -- cost advantage gone!

do you see the difference, with the $600 the ps3 costs you, a 360 owner can have their console PLUS other stuff. best of all? they get to CHOOSE what to spend that extra $200 on! they're not just sitting there in the dark, wiping down their dust-magnet while NOT playing games.


"That’s 2 awards for each hour of gameplay, wow."
i forgot, remind me again with how many awards ps3 games are getting nominated for? 1/10th as many as the nintendo wii?

that's okay because, you know, the ps3 hasn't been on the market that long.


"Mostly out by 2007…You remember the stories about halo 3 being out for the PS3 launch right?"
uh. i remember bill gates saying that. and the next day bungie slapped him down.

and mostly out by 2007? you realize that all the communications coming from ps3 developers (aside from "we want to develop for the 360") has been either "delay" announcements or "sorry, no 1080p" announcements, right?

speaking of, how bad is that, really? that 3rd party ps3 stallwarts like kojima are saying "i want to develop for the 360" while other 3rd party devs are saying "the ps3 is a disaster."

how is it that you reconcile that?

m3mnoch.

I've posted this before but I would not buy a PS3 for any amount of money right now. And I mean that sincerely. I would not pay $5 for it. I do not want or need it. There are zero games out right now that interest me. There are zero games in the near future that interest me enought to buy it. This may change when and if games such as MGS4 come out, assuming it stays exclusive. But even then one or two must have games would not entice me enough to buy it even for $150. As far as Bluray goes, I couln't care less. Let me say that again: I don't care about Bluray period.

As for HD, I don't care much about it as far as games go, beyond 720p.720p is pretty good looking. This whole Sony 1080p thing is a bunch of marketing hype. Does anyone care to guess what the market penetration is for 1080p sets? I don't know the stats but the HD TV penetration is only at 17% or so in the US. What percentage of that would you care to guess is 1080p ready. My guess would be maybe 25% of that 17% can run 1080p content(and I think that is being generous). That is only about 4% of the TV market. Now what percentage of that 4% is ready and willing to get a PS3? I don't know. It's probably a disproportionately large number but let's just say it is as much as 90% that means only about 3% of the TV owning public in the us can benefit from 1080p. Nielson Media Research states that for 2005 there are approx.109 million housholds in the US with TVs. 3% of that is about 3.25 million housholds. That is not a mainstream audience by any stretch and what it illustrates is Sony's complete lack of understanding of the market.

Sony thought they could do no wrong and that eager gamers would leap at the chance to work two jobs in order buy a PS3 so they could be honored that Sony would be generous enough to allow them to purchase a PS3. Well they were dead wrong. Most people who bought the PS2 and who supported the software on it didn't do it out of some sort of respect and obligation to Sony. They did it because it was cheap and had a vast library full of good games(and a ton of crap games-but you have to take the good with the bad).

Few fans are as hardcore and dedicated as Apple fans so most companies have to give customers what they want/need/are able to use, at a good price. The PS3 offers BluRay which most don't need, want or are able to use. It gives them 1080p which most don't need, want or are able to use (not to mention-will they even deliver 1080p games in large numbers?). It gives them an experience that is virtually indistinguishable from the Xbox 360. It gives them nothing that the Wii does in terms of control (don't bring up six-axis, it doesn't even compete).What all this means is that the PS3 is about 5 years too early.

400+150

is less than 600. i want the xbox 360 and the wii because it is cheaper. you even have 50 left to buy a game for the xbox and wii comes with wii sports

Here in the UK, we're still waiting for the PS3 launch (and feel like second-class gamers for the wait, thanks Sony). Some say that we won't be able to buy the 20GB version, and it looks like the 60GB unit will cost us around £425 (£1 is roughly $2 US).

Consider that a Wii costs around £180, a core 360 around £200 and a premium 360 around $280. Retail bundling at Christmas meant that you could pick up a premium 360, and two out of Gears of War, Rainbow Six: Vegas and Call of Duty 3 for £300. So PS3 pricing will be a problem, especially launching away from Christmas, and in a market in which very few folk have HD TV, and little enthusiasm for Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD, for that matter).

If there is to be a price cut, surely the European launch would be an opportunity to close the gap with Nintendo and Microsoft, both of whom have done good business here? Sadly, I don't see it happening, and I don't see it doing great business.

Plain and simple. It cost ~850$ for sony to make a playstation 3, they lose more money by making the 20gb model. Therefore, if the price to manufacture the actual unit is that high, there is no way the price drop will come until theres a drastic development in a silicon chip, or a new way to manufacture these cell processors. At this point, silicon chips are reaching there maximum potential. And the PS3 is already jampacked, come on the unit weighs 16lbs. The PS2 G1 is almost completely empty space. The PS2 G2 was a condensed version, and the parts to manufacture it were available during the release of the PS2 G1 release. Sony just has trouble making beneficial decisions.

Why are people complaining about the blue-ray? Are you forgetting why the game industry switched from the cd to the dvd? It's simply for the need of storage room! The bigger the textures are the more room they'll take!!! So 50gb of room for the textures sounds good, compared to the 8,7gb that a dual layer dvd offers. So the blue-ray will be needed in the future, so the game designers can make the textures bigger, without the fear that they'll run out of room. And as sony owns one of the biggest movie company in the industry won't hurt it chances, of winning the race between BD and HD-DVD. And no sony hasn't blocked the porn industry from using BD. You'll find a lot of articles on the internet concerning this matter. !!!Just use google!!!

The ps3 is expencive as hell at 499$ or 599$!! But so is the x360 with the 20gb at 399$. And what i've read the 20gb is starting to get too small for some gamers. Yes the wii is inexpencive, but you'll have to make with last generation graphics and there is no dvd playing support. And there aren't as many exclusive games to it, that there are for the x360. But don't be fooled that sony won't be getting exclusive games for their system soon.

Personally i don't like the wii's new controller. It might attract interest at the start, but i believe it'll get boring in time. I wish they'd left the motion sensors out of the sixasis too. I haven't tested the ps3 controller, but it's just a modified dual shock so i think it'll be like it. So it can handle its purpose. But winning the price for the best controller is the x360. I have it for my pc and it's the best damn controller ever.

So the wii is cheap, but it's like a small used 3-door car. Nice and compact, has everything that you need, but you'll always be laughed by your neighbours.

X360 with the hard drive is a good choice for gaming, but without the integrated HD-DVD drive it won't compete as the multifunction system of your living room. And bying the HD-DVD drive will bring the total cost to same or more than the cheaper ps3 that has BD and 20gb hard drive. The x360 core isn't an option although it's cheaper, but without the hard drive it'll come and bite you in the ass.

The ps3 isn't an option at this moment either and yes it's becouse of the price. It'll come down soon enough either they are able to make it more cost effective or they'll just have to sell it for less. Even if they'd sell it for 300$ at that point, would be better than taking the full 700-900$ of loss that it takes to make one.

I personally think that by next christmas ps3 will still be around 100$ more than x360 with 20gb, but only only 150$ more than wii. You can make your own calculations from that. This is ofcourse the ps3 with 20gb drive.

All and all the 100$ for blue-ray drive doesn't sound bad at all at the moment.

"110. Of course he's not going to say it's going to drop in price later, all that will do is reduce the demand for it at the current price!"

True. But guess what? It'll also make a heck of a lot of people who were holding out for a PS3 give up and go for a Wii or a 360 instead. Not too smart to bluff in that sort of situation.

"117. You see, this article is just not true. PS3 in Japan is already down to the equivalent of $329USD."

Actually, the official price of the 20GB PS3 in Japan is ¥49,980, or $420. If retailers are selling it for lower than that, it's because they're desperate to sell them in the face of such low demand.

I read all you guys comments most of them funny a.s.s hell and repeating the same shit over an over ps3 can do this and can do that. the fucking bottomline is sony fucked up big time crack of a huge ass hole time!! no one with the right frame of mind would not pay current price of 600.00 no matter what game comes out at lease not me. Im like the rest of you rational guys pay 300. or 400.00 for it. I dont own either consoles yet but seeing for myself at a game store 360 graphic looks just as even as ps3 neither better than the other in my personal "opinion" and thats viewing it on HD tv. now the wii is a perfect system for those who like next-gen games with a touch of old school games for gamers like myself . one thing I like about the wii its for everyone young and old both generation can share one console. not like ps3 at lease not yet.

besides guys!!!! all these consoles are just for your entertainment nothing more nothing less you get a few kicks, some hell yeah!! we get excited and we all say ah! shit!! when we get out. what does it matter?? graphic no better than the other. sony put their foot deeeeeeep up there ass. so the best thing to do is enjoy what consoles you got and play the heck out of them til something new fit your fancy
buy it and do the same thing over and over play the heck out of it, get excited while playing. buy another game its that simple. who honest to God really care about 20gb or 60gb or blue-ray dvd while in a intense game?? not me im in the moment shooting my ass off bo-yah!!!! til Im ready to watch a movie not even then worry about blue-ray. as long as the console play d v d movie im a happy camper on the road again!! :)

# 113 I agree with you it would be nice if the wii had a port for classic nentindo controller. instead of using a wane that takes alot of arm motion swing. back and forth up and down left and right and make the wii boring sometimes something new should been left alone and they should came out with a new classic controller type a up grade of snes controller with 4 ports for 4 players that would been cool.

Looks like Blueray as the dominating format is the only thing that could potentially save the PS3, otherwise it runs into a bad spiral down. Unfortunately I expect the HD-DVD community to push several initiatives now, to tip the balance toward HD-DVD and keep a good look at what the adult entertainment industry decides

may we all stand and salute sony ps3 death da-ta-daaaaaa da-ta-daaaaa-da-ta!!!! like someone on here said if ms lower 360 price that'll kill it, if wii price go down that'll kill it. Im sure wii wont be going down anytime soon but if it did it'll kill it as well blue-ray will not save ps3. sony should of just came out with a simple better d v d componet
thats compatibale with H D tv

so gentlemen, we gather together today in memorial of a great console. it was fun while it lasted, (ps3) talking ohhhhhh!!! Im dieing!!! argh!!!!!! no one wants to by me argh!!!! ps2 your still alive and kicking but your sister had to die (ps3) 329.00 price tag would of saved you.
ok, guys all this was in fun (a joke)

Why do people always seem to think hard drives are expensive? They're so cheap these days it blows my mind.

just as I thought 360 prices going to be slash so ps3 be more harder to sell

- Microsoft slashed the shipments forecast of its Xbox 360 video game console yesterday, in a move some analysts believe will pave way for a future price cut and even an updated version of the game system.

EDO AND THE REST OF YOU GIRLS THE PS3 WILL BE JUST FINE MORE GAME WILL COME OUT FOR IT THE HDMI HOOK UP MAKES ABIG DIFFENTS AND WHEN YOU SEE WHAT YOUR MISSING YOULL BEG YOUR MAMES TO BUY YOU ONE TOO OR TRADE IN YOUR XBOX AND GAMES FOR ONE JUST LIKE YOU DID FOR THE 360 ONCE PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF LOOKING AND PLAYING THE ONLY FEW DIFFENT GOOD GAMES ON THE 360 THERE YOULL SEE HOW MUCH BETHER THE PS3 LOOKS AND PLAYS AND MONEY WONT STAND IN YOUR WAY ...GET A J.O.B

if you little women stop and think about what 360 coust then add a199 hd player witch is stupid why not just build it in {after thought} 399+199=blueray ps3

ill never buy a wii next gen money for ps2 game play looks and swing a controler at the tv looling like a jackass all because wii would wood like to play yea right

All the PS3 haters are all idiots. You are all pissed that it is too expensive but you know you want it. You are also all pissed at its late arrival and bought 360 instead, and now can't afford PS3. You are all 14yr old kids talking about corporate strategy as if you know something about it. Some of you are also probably hired by Microsoft to bash PS3 because it will end up being better with hella better graphics. You are all talking smack about PS3 when you don't even have one and don't know how good it looks. You've got to pony up $$$ to get the best, and yes, PS3 is best. Wii is different and will never have the same wow factor as PS3. It may even get played out once people start realizing gaming is moving towards HDTV.

I have a PS3 and I have a 42" 720P plasma. I have Resistance and Madden 07 and both games look hella good and hella fun. i don't care what you say you played both PS3 and 360 in stores and they look alike. Best Buy does not put it on a HD big screen plasma. They use some little LCD monitor, course you can't tell with that. You all sound like those haters that would talk hella crap about how $55,000 BMW's are crap and have reliability issues. I have a 2007 BMW 530i and it sure as heck beats driving a Accord or Camry, I roll in luxury and pull hot chicks while you roll with a MS 360 riding a BMX. Besides, people who all wanted PS3 still pissed because idiots like you bought one to try and sell for $$$, but can't afford to keep. Last time I checked, PS3's are still sold out in most CA stores. And that is the darn truth.

The PS3 is the next 3DO. Plain and simple.

sony should drop ps3 price to $399 for 20gb and $99 for 60 gb in like half a year then i will buy it and a lot more people would buy it

ok, guys ps3 will be re-designed hopefully the price be 399.00

I got my PS3 for the same price as a premium xbox360 and it was a 60gb too, brand new and working

" When a premium 360 costs $300-350 "

Please let me know where you get that good stuff you're smoking. Thanks.

BTW, people who want to bash the PS3 spend a lot of time talking about exclusive titles and games that went to XBox 360 from being exclusive Sony titles. Well, duh, of course they did. It was the only next-gen game system. Then there's the fact that just because they haven't yet announced a PS3 version and only announced an XBox 360 version doesn't mean there won't be a PS3 version. Case in point...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/rainbowsixvegas/index.html

That right there might finally get me to drop the money on the PS3. Resistance + Motorstorm + Rainbow Six Vegas = nobody will see me for a few months...

"Does anyone care to guess what the market penetration is for 1080p sets? "

Have you been to a Best Buy or Circuit City lately? I, too, thought 1080p was still out on the horizon, then I bought one - over a month ago - for not much more than I would have paid for a 1080i. 1080p is coming, fast.

"I have a 2007 BMW 530i and it sure as heck beats driving a Accord or Camry, I roll in luxury and pull hot chicks while you roll with a MS 360 riding a BMX. "

Your ridiculous bragging aside, you are close to making a good point. The people who were teenagers and drove the PS2 to overwhelming success are now adults who can afford to spend an extra $150, and will, to get the best system. I've got over $5000 invested in my home theater system, and I can't wait to get my hands on a PS3 so I can get rid of my regular DVD player. Soon I'll be buying a new tuner/amp with HDMI support for more than what the PS3 costs. Nobody has said this yet, but the PS3 isn't meant for kids. It's meant for yesterday's kids who are done with their PS2, and have real jobs. I would guess the number of posters here who either don't have a job or work at McDonald's is pretty high.

"I have a 2007 BMW 530i and it sure as heck beats driving a Accord or Camry, I roll in luxury and pull hot chicks while you roll with a MS 360 riding a BMX. "

Your ridiculous bragging aside, you are close to making a good point. The people who were teenagers and drove the PS2 to overwhelming success are now adults who can afford to spend an extra $150, and will, to get the best system. I've got over $5000 invested in my home theater system, and I can't wait to get my hands on a PS3 so I can get rid of my regular DVD player. Soon I'll be buying a new tuner/amp with HDMI support for more than what the PS3 costs. Nobody has said this yet, but the PS3 isn't meant for kids. It's meant for yesterday's kids who are done with their PS2, and have real jobs. I would guess the number of posters here who either don't have a job or work at McDonald's is pretty high.

Please pass the gravey, theres not enought on my potatoes yet. Oh yeah, can you get me a few more ice cubes, this warm iced tea you just made already melted the ice cubes.

Chuck Norris needs to have a talk with Sony in person,I know he can make Sony think twice about ever making ps3 so incredibly high in price just so they rake in our own hard earned cash.

Chuck Norris likes to play games too you know, he told me so. All systems included.

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