PS3 firmware version 1.5 (almost) ready for download

I have to go with Jet on a few things then other people on the others. Let me say this first befor i start i have a 32inch lcd 720p/1080i i just bought this past xmas along with my ps3. Could i bought a 1080p sure but i didnt want to spend that much money on something i dont watch all the time. also i have own a Wii and 360 and ps3. The only one on my tv stand right now is a ps3..sold the 360 and sold the wii.

Ps3 if u ask me is the only real next gen to own here is why. 360 good system not bad at all alot better then xbox. this is what happen to me... i got my 360 got home open it was like wow cool system... hook it up and 30min later at walmart spending 200 more for add ons that should came with the system. Xbox live is great very good system but if i want a online game i just turn on my computer. Anouther reason i sold it the game are crap. Nothing good is really coming out for it ooo sorry halo 3 is coming wheee booo halo3 is nothing i havent played on the computer with some new guns a badguys. sure halo is a good game but to me its not the best thing ever that some poeple claim. O crackdown well this is sell bc of halo 3 beta key, blue dragon well this is a good buy i bet about the only 360 game i would really wanna play.

Wii i sold b/c of one major thing. the system has nothing to offer once u play with the new control system. i couldnt find my self buying more then 5 games for this system in its life time.

Ps3 why i own it. Free online it might suck atm but hey i dont have to pay for it and like i said if i wanna play online i get on my pc. Bluray, disk space means longer better sounding games with less repeat. Gears of Wars was a very good game major down fall how short it was. if it was a bluray game it could bee longer and maybe even one of the best games ever. Games like MGS4, HS,MS,Liar,Killzone,DMC4 will make the ps3 the system to own, o for u 360 crazy poeple MGS4 is ps3 only and will stay ps3 only.

Now on to the buy a new tv blahblahblah Jet man i make good money i could buy a new tv i could have all the best tech out there. why dont i? well first price if i can get a 720 tv for 700 or a 1080p for 1300 and not be able to tell what one is what i go with the 720p. sure its nice to have 1080p but unless u have room for a 52inch and standing about 22 feet back u cant tell what is what.

as for as the guy who saids he making a video game blahblahblah look Team Ninja said the ps3 is system with the most power. u can say what u want but i really dont care what u say. while u might be a game maker and your game may end up on the 50cent sale bin at walmart i think i trust someone making a living off video games and not someone who thinks he smart.

Ps my spelling sucks im typeing on a laptop and hate how small this keyboard is. well back to work

I think JET left since logic was added to the discussion.

@41 - 1080p TVs are near $999 _right now_. 37" Westinghouse 1080p = $1100. 42" from several manufacturers, $1250. Two months from now, when the new model year arrives and all panels are 1080p... that figure will drop to $700 or less.

Until Sony hammers out a firmware fix (for BluRay output at least, they can absolutely add 720p support in firmware), you can watch your BluRay in 1080i on a TV that can't handle 1080p.

This "OMG no 720p for BluRay on PS3" stuff really is a bit ridiculous. You are NOT forced to 480p anymore, not since the firmware update. You can force 1080i. To argue that 720p is better than 1080i for natively 1080 content is tricky.

I would much rather have an interlaced signal at native resolution than a progressive one scaled. Do you watch your 1080i sports broadcasts in 720p on your TV? Sure you could, but why? And if your TV is native 720p resolution, you can just feed it the 1080i signal and have it scale it.

The fact is, for BluRay and HD-DVD you want a set that is natively 1080p resolution. If you don't have it, it's getting scaled. Whether that be by a nice Faroujda chip in your TV, the chip in the 360, or some variant... it really doesn't matter... you are still scaling. Sony skipped the scaler chip (a stupid move, I agree) because the TVs can all do it for them, for free, and do a better job of it.

JET= Retarded

360 can ouput 1080p with VGA cables Try it it works
Ps3 online play = Sega dreamcast type netowrking lol
Xbox live in itself is worth the investment
ps3 = cheap controller/no rumble
xbox360= gr8 controller/rumble/and oh with a slight MOd axis movement just like the ps3 wow rumble/axis now thats next Gen
ps3= lame they had 1 year to try to blow our eyes off with some nice Graphics but we get something close to what the 360 does already. Man Jet can you even compare a ps2 and XBox1 graphics...Xbox1 came out later and blew ps2 graphics out the ball park PS3 couldnt do that comparing time frames

Did anybody read all that shit above? Pretty boring...

@44,

My bad, I was still under the assumption that PS3 was forcing users still to game and such at 480p. So I will concede my point there. However, the fact remains that the industry is not done milking the 1080p for all its worth out of early adopters. So an entry level 1080p 32" TV is still a far ways off. If a majority of people do not have 1080p TV's they cannot take full advantage of the PS3. To force gamers to buy another TV just so they can see Ridge Racer just a little bit clearer is ridiculous. If the average consumer is not going to see the true fruit of the developers labour, then why program towards it in the first place? If 1080i is as good as 780p then what was the purpose of the articles comments? Shouldn't we just do away with 780p all together and just adopt 480p, 1080i and 1080p as industry standards?

Adam, not only your spelling, but you barely used English and didn't make any points regarding this discussion that agreed with Jet - you just agreed that you liked the ps3 more.

Anyway, the problem with Jet and Sony's mindset on the issue of 1080p is that they have ditched the idea of having the machine that the populace embraced as being available to all at a reasonable cost for the experience. Instead it is this pompous and arrogant mindset that if anyone wants to touch the machines they better go buy a new TV too. Otherwise they can go screw off.

Seriously, you may be a great guy Jet and be wise in your field - but this is poor market strategy and I would have eaten it up if a competitor of mine tried it. You don't purposely try to disenfranchise your fan base or shrug off the market that you built in the first place. You try to get as many of your users to upgrade to your new product. Yeah, people can buy new TV’s - but you don’t act like those who don't buy new tv's are lesser in the market. (The market they should be concerned with here is the game console one - not the 1080p tv market.)Sony suddenly wants to become the Bose of consoles - fine, have at it. Don't expect that to make you the lead console in the future though. That's a nitch and nitch companies are generally smart enough to understand they have to accept a small market share.

I have both the 360 and the ps3 and I have a plasma that I am not willing to blow a couple grand to replace right now. I think it is silly that they didn't include a way to handle this problem built in. It was a mistake - and you should accept that. You, and the others, who act so arrogant on the issue just do further damage to the ps3 in the end. How does it serve you for less people to have one? It seems to me that means less companies willing to invest in developing for it.

One last point- comparing the numbers of 360's sold last year to the number of ps3's sold this year is sad. Take an economics class at the local community college. Disposable income levels are different, market view changes, public perception, pay rates, and a bunch of other factors. That argument, like most by fanboys, stinks of desperate thinking.

And to those who told us all to get better jobs - stop talking out of your ass. Law suits me just fine, and it gets old listening to uneducated internet tough guys act like they invented fire. Further, some of us also have other things we choose to spend our money on - like an education and living in a city.

"It is kind of interesting that you say you watched Serenity in 1080p. Not on 360 you didn't. By Microsoft's own admission, the HD-DVD drive is limited to 1080i due to the lack of an HDMI cable. That 1080p you *think* you're seeing is everybody's favorite 360 scaler at work."

I'll agree that the lack of HDMI on the 360 is a bummer, but that's a pretty funny statement. How do you scale from 1080i to 1080p?

From what I understand, HDMI has no effect on the 360's ability to output 1080p at the moment. This won't be an issue until we start seeing HD DVD's with the ICT turned on. When that happens, output will be limited to 960x540 (just above standard def). Until then, there is no artificial limits on resolutions output. If the disc supports it, it'll play it.

When you talk about film (which is the only thing you're going to use the HD-DVD addon for on the 360) there is NO difference in quality or resolution between 1080p and 1080i signals.

Since film runs at 24p, a 1080i60 signal is more than enough the carry all 24 progressive frames each second.

Forget 720p, how about background downloading?

Man o man. It's amazing how people are really sheep that will just follow anything they hear. 1080p is the biggest marketing ploy ever and stupid people are falling for it. Honestly, if you put 2 monitors side by side, one being 720p and the other 1080p, you CAN'T tell the difference!!!!! Damn, just go to your local Best Buy and see for yourself. These people who say they have 1080p are people who had the money (good for them) and fell for the '1080p marketing campaign'. Go to videophile websites and the experts will tell- the difference between 720p and 1080p is NEGLIGABLE. The entertainment industry agreed that 720p is the 'sweetspot' for High Def viewing. Other companies, such as Sony, did not 'agree' (because they were already deep in R&D for BD) Sony's main concern is to push Blu Ray into peoples home via the PS3, plain and simple. Sony as a company is in big trouble finacially (yes they are) and they are trying to recapture the electronics market with Blu Ray. 1080p is a joke and forcing people to watch in 1080i is a joke. An interlaced picture will never look better then a progressive image. Interlaced is good for still images such as photos but a moving image, such as movies, will always look better then interlaced. 720p kills 1080i. Sony even forces you to go and buy an HDMI cable, it's not included with the PS3. Amazing!!!!

I'm still amazed out how all the 360 fanboys are doing all this research to claim their system is better. The PS3 just came out and everyone is comparing the two like the 360 hasn't had a year to put it's feet on he ground. How come nobody seems to mention that most people have gone through 2 or more 360's because of the 3 rings of death. The bottom line is both systems are good. Yeah you gotta slap down some more money for better quality but it all comes down to what the gamer wants. Both systems are good and in 1 year the race will get even hotter. 360 fanboys stop trying to belittle your rival in fear because all its doing is annoying everyone. just go play gears and stop whining.

"So thanks, I will enjoy my $599 "paperweight" that looks and sounds incredible. I suppose a lot of people will, since PS3 sold more systems this Christmas than 360 did last Christmas (687,000 vs 607,000). That's a lot of elitist pricks."

Why is it that Sony, and their fanboys, keep harping on this? It's just like the feature set guys - you're not competing against the 360 a year ago, you're competing against it RIGHT NOW.

And at 1.1 million sold, the 360 kicked the PS3's ass.

1080p is for suckers!!!!

PS3 is for fanboys, because who in their right mind would buy one!

So many misconceptions to correct. Where to start?

1) I never said 360 won't out put 1080p over VGA. I said that, according to Microsoft, the HD-DVD add-on drive is limited to 1080i when doing so. As has been stated earlier, there are even a select few sets that can run 360 at 1080p over component. Just not for movies.

2) The resolution sent by a high def movie player is the lowest common denominator between what your set can display and the content included on the disk. For example, King Kong supports 480i/p and 1080p. Clerks 2, on the other hand, supports 1080i/p. If you watch King Kong on a 1080i TV, you're seeing the 480p stream upconverted to 1080i. Watch Clerks 2, however, and you're seeing native 1080i.

3) "People who jumped on the HDTV bandwagon earlier than you're noob ass did will have 1080i TVs."

I've owned HDTV since 2000. My first set was a 27" CRT Zenith that supported 480p and 1080i but didn't accept a 720p signal. I sold it and upgraded to a 43" rear projection Hitachi in 2002. It supported 480p and 1080i and upconverted 720p to 1080i. I sold it last month and upgraded to a 46" Sony XBR that supports 1080p. I plan to sell that and upgrade again in 2008 when HDMI 1.3 becomes a standard feature on TVs, increasing contrast ratio and color depth.

The only sets affected by the "bug" Joystiq keeps harping about are the ones like my old Zenith that can't accept a 720p signal. Most 1080i sets are perfectly capable of upconverting 720p to 1080i. Show of hands: Does anyone in the conversation have a HDTV that won't process a 720p signal?

4) Background downloading will be hitting PS3 in March's firmware upgrade. It took them some time to work out the issue - just like it took MS to work out the same issue on 360 last Spring.

5) As for 360 selling well - Great! I have one and am very glad it is selling. Contrary to popular belief, I don't want to see any of the 3 systems fail.

JET

I have an old 720p LCD, its 2 years old, and works damn fine with my PS3.

This comment area apparently is a very good fanboy dick size arena. Why doesnt everyone just stfu. nothings better than nothnig. Each has a good point and a bad one. If you dont like the truth, then your an emo, and I personally want to say i hate you.

to #24:

First of all even though the ps3 can do 7.1 uncompressed through pcm this is a mute subject. In order to do 1080p you would need a hdmi cable and to do the 7.1 it has to be run through hdmi 1.3 receivers which aren't on the market yet. 7.1 will not go through optical. So with no receivers or having to replace your current receiver that do this than you are shit out of luck. Thankfully my 360 hd drive decodes those nice trueHD streams which for all purposes are lossless.

On another note I own all the systems. Resistance truly is sweet but my main dlp tv does not do 720p. Man 720p upscaled to 1080i is a millions times better than 480p. I love that game but it disgheartens me playing like that. Add to that the fact that the chip is anywhre in the $1 - $5 cost department. Seems like an easy issue was overlooked. I believe on purpose. If they force the ps3 to not have scaler than people cannot upscale there dvd collection. That way when people view there bluray discs they look much better than there dvds but if the dvd was upscaled than the difference may seem negligible to the consumer. I see sony's greedy mind at work here. I do rent bluray from netflix but thankfully I buy hd dvd at best buy. :)

Actually, Ken, you CAN run uncompressed 7.1 PCM through HDMI 1.1 or 1.2 and any compatible HDMI receiver will play it. The only caveat is that the HDMI port on the receiver cannot be a passthrough. In fact, PS3 can already send Dolby Digital True HD through HDMI to the same receivers (the signal is decoded in the PS3 and sent uncompressed to the receiver).

The upcoming HDMI 1.3 receivers will allow devices to send the undecoded signal to the receiver for processing. But there's no reason to wait until 2008; you can play Resistance in 7.1 uncompressed PCM today.

Native (non-PS3 and 360) Blu-Ray and HD-DVD drives can also send TrueHD and HD Master Audio through analog 7.1 outputs. Optical is the only (aside from stereo) cable that can't send the new hi-def sound formats.

JET

Whoops, sorry about the repost.

"2) The resolution sent by a high def movie player is the lowest common denominator between what your set can display and the content included on the disk. For example, King Kong supports 480i/p and 1080p. Clerks 2, on the other hand, supports 1080i/p. If you watch King Kong on a 1080i TV, you're seeing the 480p stream upconverted to 1080i. Watch Clerks 2, however, and you're seeing native 1080i."

Huh??? What are you talking about? At least on the 360, you are always watching the 1080p movie scaled to match your output resolution. The 360 scales from 1080p down to 720p, not up from 480p. Where did you get this idea from?

Abuuuuhhh. Many people here do not know what 1080p/720p even mean. Go read up on wikipedia. For short, 1080p is 1920 × 1080 res, and 720p is 1280 x 720, and i stands for interlaced, which divides the field rate by 2, making 1080i worse than 720p, BUT NOT 1080p.

When I purchased my HD TV. (SONY 50A10)Sony promoted it as HIGH DEFINITION.Now they don`t support there product.That smells of legal action against Sony.Maybe bait and switch.Promise one thing and deliver something else.When Sony only had 720p panels,thats hd.Now 1080p is HD.OH BY THE WAY SORRY WE LIED TO SELL OUR INFEROR PRODUCT.I thought that turd of a free movie,looked bad.I guess it was Sony rubbing my nose in it,after giving me 720p I`m getting a 1080p tv,but it won`t be a Sony.I was a loyal Sony consumer,never again!

It sounds like a lot of anti PS3 guys roam this site. I refuse to claim allegiance, although I do enjoy my PS3....but Jet you totally forgot to talk about HDMI 1.3 and the fact that to use it you will also need a new receiver. Pony up penny pincher it's game-time!

"So many misconceptions to correct. Where to start?"

Too right.

"1) I never said 360 won't out put 1080p over VGA. I said that, according to Microsoft, the HD-DVD add-on drive is limited to 1080i when doing so."

Not true. According to Amir @ Microsoft, that is simply not true. See the following two links:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/09/21/xbox-360-hd-dvd-playback-maximum-1080i-via-component-1080p-vga/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8478750&&#post8478750

HD DVD resolutions on the 360 are limited to 1080i by AACS for _component cables only_. VGA cables are not subject to that restriction (don't ask me why).

"2) [..] If you watch King Kong on a 1080i TV, you're seeing the 480p stream upconverted to 1080i."

OK, now you're just making shit up. I've got a Sony XBR 1080i CRT hooked up to the 360 via component cables. I can tell you that the HD DVD version of King Kong is not an upconverted 480p stream. Not by a long shot. I'd be happy to provide you with snaps of my TV showing both versions for comparison's sake.

You have picked a bad example with Kong seeing as it comes free with the Xbox 360 HD DVD player. I'm sure that I'm not the only one out there with a 1080i TV set who would beg to differ with your assertion.

Brad77:

I'm familiar with the earlier claims that the HD-DVD output isn't restricted on VGA cables, but an interview I read earlier this week (I'm looking for the link...) said it was. This may simply be one of those cases where multiple spokesmen say different things. Hopefully you're right. I have the 360 connected via VGA and have noticed artifacting on some disks that looks entirely consistent with interlacing, but perhaps that was simply the source material on those disks (Admittedly, one of those disks is the DTS HDMA HD-DVD demo handed out at CES. Perhaps the video encoding on that disk isn't up to par with commercial releases).

My friend has the HD-DVD add-on as well and is running it on a 720p TV. In his case, the HD-DVD and DVD versions of The Corpse Bride look identical.

Same deal when watching Talledega Nights through the PS3 on a 1080x1080 plasma. It didn't look very good at all. Of course, that's to be expected since 1080x1080 is sub 720p.

G-Force: I didn't think I forgot to mention you'd need a new receiver to take advantage of HDMI 1.3. I referred to them as "upcoming HDMI 1.3 receivers," indicating that no current HDMI receivers support 1.3. My point was that you don't need one to play the new surround formats since the players currently decode the streams internally.

The first HDMI receiver isn't scheduled to hit until August. Even that date is tentative and may slip into 2008. Why is this gear taking so long?

Dom: Thanks for making my central point. PS3 should look perfectly fine on any HDTV manufactured in the last few years. I don't think there are many sets still in circulation that can't process a 720p signal.

JET

"33. I have a 720p DLP TV that gives me a great picture with my 360 HD-DVD drive ... and games. The reason I haven't bought a PS3 is because I'm not going to pay $600 for a system that can output only at 480 ... and, for me, that's what it would be doing. So, they lost a sale, end of story. Basically, I'd be paying all that money for a Blu-ray player that's outputting at DVD levels. Ummm ... no thanks."

Say what? My tv's native resolution is 720p but can also do 1080i. My PS3 main screen runs at 1080i, then switches to 720p when I play a game. Where are you getting this "PS3 only puts out at 1080p or 480p" crap? The PS3 outputs at ALL HD levels from 480i (which my old tv was) all the way up to 1080p.

Just more false "facts" out there about the PS3.

First off, Jet was totally correct when he ordered the Wii as low-quality, the 360 as medium-quality, and the PS3 as the higher quality system. Now before all of you 360, PS3 and Wii fan boys start ranting and raving about my comment as if I had just called your mother a whore, just calm down and listen. Who cares? Do you all honestly think HD is really going to revolutionize gaming? And for all of you 360 lovers who repeatedly say something like "Well,Sony is ripping their consumers off" think about this. During the PS3's life of ten years (during which it will constantly improve) Microsoft plans to release another system. So if you bought a 360 now, then it would become obsolete within 4 or 5 years. As of now the PS3's games only use about 30% of its potential gaming power. I got that information from EA Games which developes for both Microsoft and Sony. If at 30% capable power the PS3 looks the same as the 360, then no wonder why Microsoft wants to rush into a new console.

I have all systems playstation has more great games ... microsoft has more current gen games albeit ps3 just hit give it time ... nintendo is legendary every 1st party game they release = instant classic + originality & innovation... While I've only had ps3 for a few weeks I've personally had more fun with it than any of my other systems ... placing side by side with other systems I've found the graphics are noticeably superior to all. load times are best on ps3 exception call of duty 3 which out of twenty or so attempts seemed identical to 360's load times

Uh... some of you seem confused. The PS3 plays games perfectly fine on my 720P projector. No it's not upsampling from 480P, it's most definately 720P (it's quite easy to tell on a 150 inch screen).

As for the twit who said you won't see a difference between DVD and BD-DVD on a 720P display, get real... The difference is absolutely amazing.

No doubt 1080P would look that much better, but I'm not going to go out an plunk down the cash for one of those until the price comes down.

It seems everyone is passionate about this discussion. I think we should be upset with Sony and not the people who can afford 1080p TV and a PS3. Sony needs to listen to the consumers and start taking care of the consumer's issues.

Wow, if you dont like the fact that the PS3 cant downgrade its self to your leve, buy a wii for 250$ and have your damn fun. I upgraded from a 40" samsung 720p LCD (Which looked completely fine with the ps3 hooked up to it before) to a new 52" Bravia XBR (HELL YEAH) And for the person who posted that thier tv supports 480i/p and 1080i only... i highly doubt that, ive never seen a 'HDTV' that cannot play 720p. And now that i think about it, id swear my PS3 was running at 720p, yeah im actually positive, on my samsung i could choose between 720p or 1080i in the ps3's settings...?

Component cables Can-NOT do anything higher than 720p or 1080i. PS3 graphics could WOW the living shit out of you, except they put too much into the system and havent gotten around to maxing out the 50gb's of data availible on a dual layer blu-ray disk yet. Give game design and graphics designers in those games time to catch up with this AMAZING machine sony built. they have plenty of room for expansion

You truly are a loser Jet. Sony trumpeted the fact that the PS3 could play HD games and Movies in 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p...They either lied, or they screwed up big time. Actually things were fine for most HDTV users, before th idiotic 1.3 upgrade. The vast majority of the HDTV's in homes, are not 1080p compatible. They are 480/720p models...or 480p/720p/1080i models, like mine. According to you and Sony, we should all go buy new TV's in addition to the PS3, all because Sony was to cheap to include a scaler in a 600 dollar machine (funny how Microsoft could include one in a machine costing half the price). Sony touts Blu-ray, but they turn around a screw most HDTV owners. Sony needs to stop counting their money and allow people to either choose their own resolutions, or have a special firmware for people with 720p capable HDTV's. I don't think that is too much to ask for 600 bucks.

Man, Jet truly is a moron. Jet thinks that people should throw away a perfectly good HDTV, just so the lazy, greedy, losers at Sony don't have to support 720p, which they should have done in the first place.
What a loser this guy is. The vast majority of the HDTV's on the market are 720p, or 1080i or both. Sony only supporting 480p/1080I/1080P is idiotic and inexcusable. Microsoft figured it out, why can't Sony...(too busy counting their money, I guess).
No wonder Microsoft and HD-DVD is beating the hell out of Sony...the only people dumb enough to defend Sony are Sony "Butt-Boys" like you. Your hero company needs to get it's act together and support 720p, otherwise the PS3 will be a "Wanna-be" next gen console, not a true one like the XBOX 360.

haha
Let me think about this for a minute.
A bunch of idiots picking on a guy who was just giving his opinion. Or, a bunch of flaming 360 fanboys whining and complaining about what a loser he is just cause he owns a tv that can do the job right. While all at the same time it's you complete losers reading and posting in a forum about a PS3 UPDATE!!!!! What a buncha fuc**** fags!!!