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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:02PM (Unverified) said

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im playing right now with my DS

Yes, i like to live to the XTREME!!
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:04PM (Unverified) said

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btw, less than 20k ps3 sold?? im shocked

So every fanboy can start screaming about the death of Sony in 3, 2, 1...
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:07PM Nushio said

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No Xboxs were sold at all? Its not even on the list?

Haha! At least GCube is still there, and same with the GBA

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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:08PM Nushio said

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It didnt come out right...

/end fanboy post
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:10PM Neebs said

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It's a scientific fact.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:12PM KingBroly said

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I guess that's why Microsoft is in the lead. Because they have RF wireless controllers while Nintendo and Sony use bluetooth wireless controllers. And only bluetooth wireless controllers interfere with pacemakers.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:13PM (Unverified) said

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Great Article!


But I sense sarcasm...
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:16PM (Unverified) said

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so... the 7 year-old ps2 is outselling the brand new ps3. Not good news for Sony execs. Wow.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:20PM gtt said

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@tmmoore_nc

bluetooth uses 2.4ghz rf. the same as pretty much every wireless device these days.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:04PM Mal F4cti0n said

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OMFG, I guess the PS2 is the PS3s biggest problem for sales.

WOW!!!!

DS
PS2
360 are the only ones that had increases.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:34PM (Unverified) said

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@vrf
its also outselling the 360

which is even worse......
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:37PM (Unverified) said

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Long live the Wii!
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:39PM VampireHunterZ said

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The 360 starts the year a lot better than it did last year. Go 360!

PSP numbers went down but that's still a solid amount. PS3 what can I say. Hometown advantage yet less than 20k people are willing to buy potential every week.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:50PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know what's worse:

a) how badly received the PS3 is in Japan (approximately 100,000 consoles sold in the month of January - no wonder talks of a price cut are running rampant)

or

b) the Xbox 360 selling more software than the PS3 in Japan.

Either way you cut it, it ain't pretty for Sony. But, hey, it's an awesome price for a Blu-ray Player.

amirite?!?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:52PM (Unverified) said

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Wii continues its rise to dominance, the haters are owned
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 9:59PM (Unverified) said

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Finally, the DS is back to selling more than everything else combined! (by 24,053)

And the PS2's outselling the PS3? That's just sick. The thing wont' fucking die! Kill it Sony, if you want to live!
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:06PM (Unverified) said

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to Dolla Dolla:

360 software selling more than PS3 software?

tell that to Gears of War, which didn't even make the top 50 titles sold in Japan this week.

you know what did, though? and in the # 1 spot?

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. for the Playstation 2. a game that's over a year old now. and for outdated technology.

know how many it sold?

277,000 units.

how many units did the awesome and unbelieveable Gears of War sell in Japan again?

yeah. thought so.

the PS3 has been out on the market for two months, and it doesn't have anything more than 2 or three games worth playing right now.

the 360 has been in Japan for over a year now, and there are far more than just 2 or 3 games worth buying on the console, and yet it is *STILL* outsold on the hardware side by the PS3 week in and week out. even though it's more expensive, and has less titles.

i can't even imagine what's going to happen when the PS3 actually gets more games.

you know, games that appeal to the Japanese.

games like

Heavenly Sword
White Knight Story
Metal Gear Solid 4
Final Fantasy XIII
Virtua Fighter 5
Tekken 6
Devil May Cry 4
Lair
Monster Hunter 3
Monster Kingdom

etc.

in two months the PS3 has a higher install base in Japan, despite the year long headstart the 360 has had.

now *THAT'S* something that is legitly worth worrying about. especially when taking into account that the 360's best game (arguably), has fallen off of the top sales charts after only a week or two on it.

i don't hate the 360, believe me, i don't (we have one, and a PS3), i'm just trying to put some perspective on your comment.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:06PM (Unverified) said

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There is no damn excuse as to why the PS3 is being outsold by both the PSP and PS2. The sales have also been on the decline for several weeks. At this rate, not even Square-Enix will keep FF13 exclusive to the console, both hardware and software sales are that bad.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:08PM Kengro said

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Not good for Sony, the Ps3 is going dead slow
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:09PM (Unverified) said

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@18

Your whole damn comment is so full of fanboy bias, misinformation and lack of common sense that I am not going to even bother responding to you. Just know this: you are wrong.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:19PM theburn16 said

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MoonfirePewPEwPEw: how is what #18 said misinformation? the only thing that's not fact in what he said is that the ps3 will sell more once it gets more games...which is probably true as well. ps3 had sold more units in december than the 360 did all year in japan. now what u got to say?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:20PM (Unverified) said

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Someone explain to me again why exactly it's BAD for Sony that out of top 5 consoles - 3 are Sony products?

Michael
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:24PM Pal said

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Fan..err...Figboy: "360 software selling more than PS3 software?

tell that to Gears of War, which didn't even make the top 50 titles sold in Japan this week.

you know what did, though? and in the # 1 spot?

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. for the Playstation 2. a game that's over a year old now. and for outdated technology."

You didn't even answer the question correctly. 360 vs. PS3, not PS2. Get some glasses, or a brain.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:26PM (Unverified) said

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naturally, the moment somebody says anything positive about the PS3, and negative about the 360, they're labeled a fanboy.

if i was such a fucking fanboy, why the hell do i have a 360 sitting in my house?

why the hell do i play Gears of War with my roommate and friends?

why do i enjoy Wii Sports on the Wii (granted i don't have a Wii myself)?

what i said were complete facts.

according to Next Gen.com Gears of War didn't even make the top 50 sales in Japan for *THIS WEEK ONLY*

GTA:SA, however, which was just released this week, has taken the # 1 spot for *THIS WEEK ONLY* so far.

and what i said was true. are you saying that the 360 hasn't been out in Japan for a year?

are you saying that week in and week out, the PS3 is still selling more than the 360, according to the numbers? even during the busy holiday season, with PS3's in short supply, it still outsold the plentiful 360. or have you forgotten all the sales numbers joystiq happily posts every week?

how, exactly, was i being biased?

is it not true that the games i've listed, so far, have only been announced for the PS3, or are being published by Sony, therefore PS3 exclusive?

that's not bias. that's truth.

i have no desire to spread misinformation, but i'm reporting facts i've read off of business reports posted on various sites like Next Gen. a site which actually reports the news without such a blatant bias like joystiq does.

and your comments make no sense, and are laced with ignorance more than anything else.

so, since the PS3 is being outsold by the PS2 every week, it's doomed?

couldn't the same be said for the 360, which is also being outsold by the PS2 every week in Japan, and has been for the past year?

and yet, even with "declining sales," the PS3 *STILL* has a higher install base than the 360 does in Japan. and in only *TWO MONTHS*

i don't know what your problem is, but at least i can see the fact of the matter and come to a logical conclusion.

people buy consoles to play games, right?

the PS3 doesn't have many games, so sales are slow.

once the PS3 gets game (and they're coming, starting with Virtua Fighter 5's release later this month), the PS3 will start to sell.

that's the way it works.

the PS2 didn't sell 100 million plus units in it's first year, let alone it's first two months.

the console hasn't even launched in the UK yet. that will serve two purposes:

1.) To get the damn things in the hands of UK gamers finally.

and

2.) The launch is going to reported by media outlets across the globe, re-infusing everyone with PS3 hype, reminding consumers that there is still a PS3 out there to be had, and this time with some games that more than just early adopters will want to play.

so be a big boy (or girl), and learn some patience.

sheesh, that's what pisses me off about joystiq readers. they're all so god-damned sensitive, and get all touchy when anyone has something positive to say about Sony, and not so great to say about Microsoft, and especially Nintendo.

i bet it's driving you crazy that the PSP is finally getting a Castlevania game, too, isn't it? give me a break.

calling *me* a fanboy...

*walks off, grumbling and swearing to himself...*
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:31PM (Unverified) said

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You know what Nintendo needs to learn how to put on the DS?

Heroin.

Then it'll sell EVEN MORE! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:36PM VampireHunterZ said

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@Figboy

You are still skipping around the fact that the 360 is selling more software than the PS3. Gears is not on the top 50 this week, but Idolmaster is at #15 and that beats the PS3's best effort which is Enchanted Arms.

Xbox has always maintained high attach rates Japan is no exception. The PS3 has a lot more hardware so theoretically they should be selling more software. Figboy = fanboy, wait that rhymes.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2007 1:22AM murc said

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why is the japanese hardware sales always posted...why not US sales?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:41PM Mal F4cti0n said

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Figboy,

Wow, a PS2 game, which is sold on a console with a HUGE install base, sold more copies than the 360 in Japan!

And how does that arguement help the PS3 cause exactly?

That is what many analysts have been saying will also hurt PS3 console sales.

So you just help to point out that the PS3 isn't doing well.

Good job....go to bed, you have middle school early in the morning to get up for.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:42PM (Unverified) said

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"MoonfirePewPEwPEw: how is what #18 said misinformation? "

If you have to ask, you don't deserve to know.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:47PM (Unverified) said

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Vampire... i dont see ANYWHERE in fiboys post that mentions that he is a fanboy, he was simply stating hardware facts...

it'd be like denying the fact that the Wii is outselling everything or that worldwide the 360 has a higher install base. Thats not fanboy rhetoric...its fact.

Now as for game sales, i haven't checked that out myself, but i dont doubt the 360 does have good software sales... it should, its been on the market for a year+.

Likewise, i dont necessarily expect the PS3 or the Wii to have stellar game sales in comparison because they have not even HALF the titles that 360 has at this point in time. Heck i only have 1 ps3 game and 1Wii game at this point in time (compared to the 6 360 games i have). So its not surprising.

Right now both new systems just dont have a wealth of titles i want and the 360 does.

But as stated, that will change once (Gasp) more games come out for each system.

I mean lets not all forget... 360 wasn't exactly selling half a million units over here each month either. It was being outsold by the PS2 here as well and still is (as is the wii and ps3 currently as well).

Software moves these consoles, thats just a fact. The more software a console has.. the better its sales. You can quote me on that one too, although that said... i'm still surprised that the 360 just hasn't quite caught on over there...
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:47PM (Unverified) said

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Figboy, I've got nothing against you, and I am most certainly not calling you a fanboy. Plenty of things you said are true, but so are my statements.

Gears didn't make the top 50. But another 360 game did, IdolMaster ... and it sold more than a PS3 game that just got released, Enchanted Arms. Is it not a fact that 360 software is selling better than PS3 software?

PS3 most certainly beat the 360 in hardware in less than a month. It was expected. The Wii beat it in one week.

I am saying that Sony DOES have things to worry about. How long do they expect people to wait around before exclusives are released? They need something FAST. There are rumors of a price cut flying all over the place. It's been out for what? Two months?

Right now, Sony has two strikes against it: Price and Games. I'm not talking about later, I'm talking about NOW.

The PS2 also launched with lackluster software, but guess what? It sold over 700,000 in its first week. That's more than the PS3 has sold total in Japan to date.

This isn't how you follow up the most successful console in history. Sony has made all the mistakes, and are paying for them. I just hope this experience is humbling, so they don't f*ck up again. I owned a PS2, not an xbox, not a gamecube. I have a PSP. Sony does do things right ... the PS3 has not been one of those things.

amirite?!?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:50PM Mal F4cti0n said

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No one is saying the PS2 is outselling the PS3 every week. This is the first week it has happened since it's release.

The point is, that Sony's six-year old hardware outsold its NEW hardware after only two months of the PS3 release.

The problem is what everyone has been saying. The PS3 is TOO EXPENSIVE! That, and they have been doing bad with releasing SOFTWARE to encourage sales.

Basically, people are mad at Sony (not you Figboy) that Sony did not listen to what the fans wanted, but just did what they wanted to because "It says Playstation, the first 2.5 million will sell themselves."
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:50PM (Unverified) said

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PS3 being outsold by the PS2, and the...PSP? Ouch. Somehow, Sony finds themselves in a win/lose situation.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:52PM (Unverified) said

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I'm with you on this one figboy. Now I don't plan on ever getting a ps3, and a lot of the negetive things said about the ps3 is true, but damn a lot of the commenters on here seem to have it out for Sony to the point where it is absolutley rediculous(looking at you Moonfire).

Sure, Sony has been spewing out crap for a while, but I don't hate them for it. They obviouly made a long term investment with the ps3 and thought they could make a lot of money this way. I don't have to hate them to show my lack of intrest for the ps3, I just have to not buy one.



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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:53PM Mal F4cti0n said

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Exactly Dolla Dolla, are we looking over each other's shoulders as we type?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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@Michael

When you put it like that is sounds great.

Or you could also look at it that the top 2 Nintendo products are out selling the top 3 Playstation products 3.5-1. Or that the total amount of Nintendo sales represents 76% of the total amount of consoles sold in Japan (by that sales chart), versus the 22% that Sony has sold (poor Microsoft only represents 2%). Or that the Wii alone is selling 1-1 with all the Sony products combined. Or the fact that the DS lite is selling 1-1 compared to EVERYTHING else combined.

Then again, it's all on how you look at things.

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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 10:59PM SnapperDragon said

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Figboy:

Yes, we all know the 360 has not sold a lot of hardware in Japan. Nothing new there.

However, even with it's small install base, it's still impressive to see it with titles in the top 50 there.

But, Japan is Sony's home territory. I would have figured that the PS3 would be mopping up in Japan alone. However, it is not.

Sure, wait and see, etc. People are not dumb and they know that this is not the right time to get a ps3. There are quite a few hardcore ps fans there, so of course it will sell a descent quantity. But I don't think anyone at this point is going to say that the PS3 is selling like everyone predicted.

No, the 360 is doing as expected, going by the xbox sales as a guide.

The most amazing thing this round is that both Sony and MS brushed Nintendo off and now the "impulse buy" (damn, Sony, can you not get yer foot out of yer mouth?) is doing gangbusters. The only thing holding it back is the lack of supply.

Anyway, it's still early on, but at this point, if you just look at the PS3 vs the 360 you have to say the 360 is doing better overall (go ahead and subtract all the sales from before Nov 17, if you like). The PS3 is doing worse than expected.

The PS3 will spike in sales when released in Europe in March, but other than the pent up demand of the hardcore, I think it will be the same grim story for it there. There are just not enough compelling titles for it at this point, and the high price is definitely keeping people away. I predicted this quite a while back. No, I'm not any smarter than anyone else, I just a couple of econ courses in college and it just makes sense.

Anywho, the PS3 has a few factors working against it right now that need to get cleared up. The 360 is a good system in it's own right and with the year lead now has a descent selection of games to pick from.

I just think Sony should unpuff it's chest and not feel so smug about the fact that their consoles did the best the last two gens. Nothing is a given, and MS is a ferocious competitor with a very good product and strategy.

It doesn't really matter, though, because most of the games will probably be on both the 360 and PS3 anyway, so it's just a matter of preference which box you get. The only bummer with console games is that more than likely we will never be able to play multi-player across the consoles. What a shame. We gamers lose out on that. We get segregated by the companies that make the systems. PC ftw on that one.

Wow, off on a tangent...
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:03PM (Unverified) said

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LOL at Nintendos Continuing Rape of Sony. now currently in double penetration mode lol
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Posted: Feb 6th 2007 1:49PM (Unverified) said

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Look, you said Sony needs games now but not later. It won't work, you should know that. Like you gotta to kick the developer's asses and force them to complete in 24hours. Hell no, you can't! Sony don't want buggy game either too.

There are lotta of good games by summer. So patience!



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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:06PM (Unverified) said

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My DS is collecting dust. Used more as an alarm clock than a portable video game system. Its gotten borrrring. When is Phantom Hourglass coming out?
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:26PM bassbeast said

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@ Dolla Dolla:

Are you saying the PSP is "something right?" Because other than Castlevania Chronicles, there isn't one good thing coming out for the system in the next six months that I'm aware of (that's not some half-assed port) and I regret buying it at launch as I did. Thak God for 1.5 firmware, or else I'd really be boned.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:34PM (Unverified) said

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"# Violent vehicle theft has steadily been on the rise worldwide since the release of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. In the 1600's, before the game landed on shelves and into the hands of dangerous criminals-in-training, there wasn't a single automobile-related crime or fatality reported."

They didn't even have cars in the 1600's!
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:37PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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Thank you, Ludwig. You've convinced me to give up gaming entirely!

So, now I'll be putting up for sale my Wii, PS2, Platinum DS, Enamel Navy DS Lite, Dreamcast, Saturn, PS, NES (model 2, with various accessories), Super NES (model 2, with various accessories), Genesis (models 1, 2, and 3), Sega CD (models 1 and 2), 32X, NeoGeo Pocket Color, Game Gear... And the many, many games I have for them.
This laptop I'm on now (Centrino Duo 1.83GHz, 1.5GB RAM, Mobility Radeon X1400) is also for sale.

Thanks, Ludwig. You saved my life!
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:58PM (Unverified) said

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Congrats Joystiq. That was probably the most amusing thing I've read all day, plus it proved to me that everything can be turned into a dangerous substance.
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2007 11:43PM (Unverified) said

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"My DS is collecting dust. Used more as an alarm clock than a portable video game system. Its gotten borrrring. When is Phantom Hourglass coming out?"

um when was the last time you went to the game store? FF3,CASTLEVANIA:POR,HOTEL DUSK,ELITE BEAT AGENTS,NEW SUPER MARIO BROS,MEGAMAN ZX,YOSHI ISLAND 2,and a whole lot of others says "hi im new games, why don't you try me out!" ;)
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2007 4:04AM (Unverified) said

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yes, the PS3 isn't doing as well as it could be doing. i don't disagree.

the point i was trying to make is that people are so quick to latch onto anything negative concerning the console, and spin facts and spew hypocrisy every chance they get, especially on this site, that it gets tiring.

yes, the 360 is selling more software, but it's had a full year to get that software on the system in the first place.

when did Oblivion come out?

when did Dead Rising?

when did Gears of War?

and so on?

not until, at least, 6 months after the 360's launch.

we're only two months into the PS3's life cycle, and it hasn't had more than one killer game come out yet (i'm speaking about Resistance. the game is great, anyway you slice it, even if it doesn't graphically measure up to Gears of War). the problem with Resistance is that FPSes still are quite mainstream enough. the Action/Adventure genre is the most popular and best-selling. once Heavenly Sword on teh PS3 comes out (not soon enough, it seems), we'll see.

now, i'll address points one by one to some of the folks who've commented on me.

to Mal F4cti0n:

"Figboy,

Wow, a PS2 game, which is sold on a console with a HUGE install base, sold more copies than the 360 in Japan!"

GTA isn't what most people would expect to appeal to the Japanese. in fact, Blue Dragon is precisely the type of game the Japanese could get into. why isn't it selling like GTA? i mean, it's made by the father of Final Fantasy for fucks sake?

the fact that a non-traditional Japanese game has outsold a traditional Japanese game is worrying to me.

"And how does that arguement help the PS3 cause exactly?"

it helps the PS3 cause because Sony gets paid licensing fees when a game sells on it's console. since the PS2 is on it's way out (sort of. it's sales are still wonderful), any money the PS2 is generating, whether in software and hardware sales is money that can be pumped into the PS3 endevour. also, people that are buying PS2's instead of X Boxes or 360's will probably buy a PS3 when the price is comfortable for them.

I own 6 games for my X Box, but over 50 for my PS2. the fact that my PS3 is backwards compatible, what with constant new titles being released on the PS2 (like Rogue Galaxy), i don't have to feel bad about buying a PS3 so that i can play new, pretty next gen games, and abandon the older, PS2 games i have yet to finish, or are still coming out. i get the best of both worlds.

i have an excuse to ditch my PS2, but not really, since i can still play my PS2 games on my PS3. when you have to justify your uber-expensive purchases to your significant other, you'll understand where i'm coming from.

"That is what many analysts have been saying will also hurt PS3 console sales."

analysts don't know shit. didn't they say that Sony, as a whole (not just the gaming division), was going to post losses of 50% or more? wasn't the actual number more like 5%? sometimes an analyst will guess correctly, more often, their guesses are wrong.

"So you just help to point out that the PS3 isn't doing well."

the PS3 is doing fine for a $600 gaming console. remember a few months ago when people were saying that no one would ever buy it, and they'd be lining store shelves? i live in Los Angeles (population 8 million), and i can't find a PS3 anywhere i go. about three weeks ago, i saw four in a Best Buy near my home, now, they're long gone, and they still don't have any. i saw one in a Target about two weeks ago. i haven't gone back to see if it's still there or not. the fact that there isn't much software directly correlates to it's mediocre sales. it's been proven time and time again that people will pay any price if it has something they really want on it.

how many Halo fans wouldn't pay $600 to play Halo, if that's how much the 360 cost? like i've listed before, the PS3 is getting some great exclusives, and some great multi-platform titles as well. those that don't want a 360 (of which there are many, obviously, or the 360 wouldn't be stocked on store shelves), there is an alternative. games like Fight Night, Oblivion, GRAW 2, Assassin's Creed, Stranglehold, EA games, Activision games, Ubisoft games, etc, are also coming to the PS3. my roommate has a 360 and a PS3, i'm getting my PS3 next week if i can find one. i don't want a 360 yet, as there aren't as many titles on that console that interest me. and no, i'm not a big Halo fan.

since all i'll own is a PS3, what does it matter if GTA IV, RE5, Spider-Man 3, Rainbow Six, GRAW 2, Assassin's Creed, etc are also coming to the 360? as long as it's coming to my PS3, i could give a rats ass about multi-platform games.

it's all about percieved value. also, love it or hate it, the Playstation 3 is not just a games console. you may not want to use it's other, multimedia features, but someone else may. if the consumer goes into the deal thinking that it's just a games console, and just plays video games, then hell yeah they're going to say that $600 is too much. but when they hear that it's not only a games machine, but a Blu Ray player, internet capable, multi-media hub, $500/$600 doesn't seem so absurd, especially when stand alone high def players (HD DVD or Blu Ray), are more than that.

the point is, the PS3 could be doing better, but it could also be doing a lot worse. at least it's selling. since Sony will never give up on the console, and their first and second party developers shouldn't be underestimated (just wait until a PS3 God of War, or whatever successor to Shadow of the Colossus Team Ico comes up with are released, not to mention games like MGS4 and FFXIII).

the price is high, and the console is lacking mainstream software, but that's going to change with time. it's only been 2 months.

"Good job....go to bed, you have middle school early in the morning to get up for."

i'm 27, with a car note, wonderful fiance, and the burden of living in the real world on my shoulders. my middle school days are long behind me.


i'll address the other comments in another post, as this one ran longer than i meant it to.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2007 12:19AM Mal F4cti0n said

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Even water, eh Falkenad.

See story about girl who died of water intoxication.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2007 12:33AM (Unverified) said

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Dolla Dolla:

"Figboy, I've got nothing against you, and I am most certainly not calling you a fanboy. Plenty of things you said are true, but so are my statements.

Gears didn't make the top 50. But another 360 game did, IdolMaster ... and it sold more than a PS3 game that just got released, Enchanted Arms. Is it not a fact that 360 software is selling better than PS3 software?"

i'm not too sure how many, total, PS3 software or 360 software have sold in Japan, but i'd imagine that the 360 has sold more, simply because it has so many titles to choose from, and even though the 360 is still being outsold by the PS3, it had no competition for a full year, and the 160,000 or so 360 owners in Japan at the time had to play *something* didn't they?

"PS3 most certainly beat the 360 in hardware in less than a month. It was expected. The Wii beat it in one week."

the Wii beating everything is expected, considering it's relatively user-friendly price. $250 is a hard price to beat for a new toy.

"I am saying that Sony DOES have things to worry about. How long do they expect people to wait around before exclusives are released? They need something FAST. There are rumors of a price cut flying all over the place. It's been out for what? Two months?"

of course Sony has things to worry about, but it's not as bad as places like this blow things up to be. as long as their consoles are selling, there's a fighting chance. and the PS2 is still kicking ass in Japan and worldwide. there may be rumors of a price cut, but it's also been confirmed that they've moved from a 90nm production process for the Cell, to a much cheaper and cost effective 65nm process. i doubt we'll see a price cut, but i'm sure we'll see Sony do what Microsoft has been doing lately: bundle the fuck out of the PS3 to try and push units, and break even.

Sony has also said that they plan on breaking even by the end of their fiscal year 2007 (that'd be the end of March 2007). i doubt we'll see a price cut anytime this year, and if we do, it will be very small (say, sub $30). they have to recoup losses somehow, and with anticipated titles like LA Noire, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter, Tekken 6, and i can't even remember nor care to type the other titles i listed in my earlier post, sales for the PS3 will rise.

now, i'd really be worried if those titles all come out, and the sales are still the same. if that happens, the problem is bigger than anticipated, and we'd probably see a price cut.

in either case, Sony is a hardware manufacturer, they'll keep the $500/$600 price for as long as they can until they can make a profit, or are forced by competition to lower it.

"Right now, Sony has two strikes against it: Price and Games. I'm not talking about later, I'm talking about NOW."

yes, you are talking about NOW, but do you remember the PS2 launch? do you remember how asstacular those games were? do you remember when Devil May Cry, Zone of the Enders, Resident Evil: Code Veronica (Dreamcast port), Onimusha, and a few other big titles came out? March 2001. a full 6 months after the console launched. i got a PS2 around March, and even then, i had to wait until later in the year for GTA3 and MGS2 to come out.

it would be really bad if we didn't have any good titles to look forward to coming to the PS3. as it stands, there are quite a few good ones scheduled for release throughout the year.

what i don't understand is how Nintendo can release their quality first party titles practically *YEARS* apart, and everyone is fine with it, but if Sony does it, it's doom and gloom, and we only have to wait a few months. Zelda was a GC game, delayed for the Wii (and luckily the Wii architecture is similar to the GCs or you'd have been waiting a fair ammount of time for a Wii Zelda to come out).

if that title hadn't released, what even remotely quality game would you be playing on the Wii right now? Wii Sports,Trauma Center, and Rayman Raving Rabbids. as fun as those games are, they aren't designed to keep you busy for hours on end, and the effect, with the exception of Trauma Center, is definitely lessened when playing alone (our friend let us borrow his Wii, and it got old after about a half hour to an hour of regular use). games like Red Steel, Far Cry, and some Activision games were hardly the revolution people were hoping for. if it wasn't for Zelda, Nintendo Wii fans would be sorely dissappointed, and their Wii's would be collecting some dust. but Zelda did come out. and the PS3 has Resistance. maybe neither game justifies the price of the console, as both purchases are still waiting for a game that truly takes advantage of it's specific hardware, but there's something to play that's fun and worthwhile, nonetheless. what we are all waiting for, however, is *MORE* of that. and that takes time.

"The PS2 also launched with lackluster software, but guess what? It sold over 700,000 in its first week. That's more than the PS3 has sold total in Japan to date."

the PS2 did indeed sell great. but it wasn't nearly as complicated a piece of technology as the PS3 is, and Sony actually managed to ship, at least, 500,000 PS2's to both the US and Japan. also, the PS2 was the successor to the most popular gaming console in the world at the time. the hype for that machine was amazing. the PS3 had that hype back in 2005, but once the price announcement hit at E3 2006 (i was there, and man was that ugly) all that carefully orchestrated hype went out the window.

Sony is trying to claw it's way up from a surprising crash and consumer and media turn (at least as far as the hardcore, perusing the internet everyday for game details crowd, the mainstream is still kind of out in the dark for the most part, except for what they may hear from hardcore gamer family and friends. and the obnoxious EB Games clerk who's always trying to sell you a Wii or DS or 360 instead).

"This isn't how you follow up the most successful console in history. Sony has made all the mistakes, and are paying for them. I just hope this experience is humbling, so they don't f*ck up again. I owned a PS2, not an xbox, not a gamecube. I have a PSP. Sony does do things right ... the PS3 has not been one of those things.

amirite?!?"

I totally agree. Sony *has* made some stupid mistakes, and amazing PR blunders, but from my experience with the PS3 (hands on) i am legitimately impressed with the quality of the hardware.

it's not a PS2 or 360 bugfest. after playing games like GTHD and Genji, i can see the potential for eyewatering graphics, not to mention my hands on time at E3 2006 with Heavenly Sword (man, that game was fun), and Warhawk (the motion controls worked better than i expected, and i was skeptical), i'm looking forward to seeing what the console can do once it's gotten past it's obligatory growing pains.

i do think Sony needs some humble pie, but i don't think they're trying to screw over the consumer by charging as much as they have for their console. but they are a business, designed to make money.

if i owned a multi-billion dollar corporation that happens to deal with cutting edge technology, and i just spent billions on two new proprietary technologies that i honestly felt would be good for the industry at whole (i'm speaking about the Cell Processor and Blu Ray), i'd try to include it in as many products as i could, *AND* i'd use whatever leverage i could to do so (such as the incredible success of a prior product, like the Playstation 2).

and after seeing movies in both Blu Ray and HD DVD, i'm totally psyched for some HD content, whether it be games or movies.

sure, if you just want a games console, you should have that choice (and you do: it's called an X Box 360 or a Wii).

but if you happen to want both high def movies and games, and rolled into one package (no add ons necessary), you have that choice also.

i'm still from the wait and see camp, but i enjoy my roommate's PS3, and i can't wait for it to get more games i want to play (like VF5, Motorstorm, and Heavenly Sword, to name only three). i know they're coming, so it's easier for me to be patient.
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2007 12:27AM (Unverified) said

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The PSP is the only portable in the history of portables that can stand up to Nintendo and survive. All others have failed and failed miserably. I admit, the software offerings are rather uninspiring. But ... how can you deny the awesomeness that is custom firmware 3.03 OE? ;)
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Posted: Feb 3rd 2007 12:34AM (Unverified) said

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"Are you saying the PSP is "something right?" Because other than Castlevania Chronicles, there isn't one good thing coming out for the system in the next six months that I'm aware of (that's not some half-assed port) and I regret buying it at launch as I did. Thak God for 1.5 firmware, or else I'd really be boned.

Posted at 11:26PM on Feb 2nd 2007 by bassbeast"

there's

Final Fantasy Tactics: The Lion War
Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core
Final Fantasy I and II
Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles
Silent Hill: Origins
Tomb Raider: Anniversary
Pursuit Force 2
Rocky Balboa (lol. i can't help but laugh at that one)
The Warriors
GRAW 2
Monster Hunter Freedom 2

and this is just a small list that i could remember off of the top of my head. sure, these games may not interest you, but people seem to get "the PSP has no games," and "the PSP has no games i want to play" confused an awful lot among these parts.

there's always somebody who'll want to play these, and play them on the PSP.




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