Hmm... They'll probably put Starcraft on XBLA.


Nah... They wouldn't do that.

Pc gaming is way to expensive right now to go mainstream.

Not until Nintendo decides to market to computers or build one themselves.

Well, they said five years, so I have to agree with this.

This is the first console war in history where a capable PC can graphically beat any so-called next-gen console. On my rig, Oblivion, Condemned, GRAW, and R6: Vegas all look better than their 360 counterparts.

The continuing growth of the HTPC market also makes their prediction more likely.

I've purchased (and subsequently sold) both a 360 and a PS3, because they just can't hang with my PC (connected to my 106" screen).

Nah, I built myself a great gaming computer for about the price of a PS3. :) Just a few days ago actually.

FX-60 Processor/Mobo $300
7800 GT Video card $130
Case (with power supply) $70
Crappy CD-RW (From old PC) Free
RAM (2gb) $100

And I can play F.E.A.R. on all settings maxed. And download pr0n!

I can watch pr0n on my wii =)

5 points for the Matrix pic.


There is no spoon...

LOL... SOME computers may become entertainment hubs, but that doesn't mean consoles have to.

But yeah, of all the 'gaming platforms', the PC has to be the least accessible. You have to install the game, you have to know which kinds of cards and specs you need to know if your game will work, etc...

Also, costs.

Consoles are designed to not have those problems. If the consoles are a little limited 'compared to PCs', it's because they're supposed to be.

They might become "PCs" in the technical sense, but they'll still be about as upgradeable as a Mac, have proprietary software and a new one will still be released every five years or so.
Talk to me in about 20 years when all homes have built in media hubs that connect wirelessly to all TVs and screen in your home and Nintendo's new "system" is just a software download that lets you play new games.

thats not going to happen. the appeal of consoles is to have a box tha will run your game the way it was ment to. you ca'nt guarantee that on pc's.

that and a pc set up to run games as powerfull as 360 and ps3 is going o cost you alot more money.

people are upset at a 600 dollar ps3, do you think they will pay more for a game pc? i doubt that. blizzard just doesnt want to work with consoles

I'm gonna have to disagree with blizzard man here.

While the horsepower and functionality of PC's and consoles are converging, there will always be 2 separate classes of device: the PC, and the home Console. The reason why is because the home console has the same hardware, and thus the same capabilities throughout, for a cheaper price than the PC.

If anything, we're moving backwards into the age of the Amiga and such, home PC/consoles that were used primarily for games.

All any of the big 3 have to do is allow for open platforms (like the 360 becomes vista capable, similar to linux on PS3), and other software available (like word processing, e-mail) and then include keyboard/mouse in the box.

Really, only MS is in the position to do this, and this may be their plan. If they can get their next home console vista/longhorn capable with keyboard/mouse support out of the box, it will most likely kill the PC industry.

I'm really not sure if I want this to happen though.

Weren't people saying this five years ago as well?

I am pretty sure this has been said by every gaming company ever, at every major junction in gaming gens since calecovision

Here's a simple statement for true Blizzard fans...

They have arcade titles: Rock'n'Roll Racing, Blackthorne and The Lost Vikings are in their arcade selection still. RnRR and TLV are GBA titles, and Blackthorne is an old PC game.

PCs do continue to get cheaper and more powerful.

But replacing consoles? Nah, not any time soon. The reason?

It's the games, stupid!

Yeah, on PC you can have the most detailed graphics ever. But, you're not going to find Halo 3, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, or Metal Gear Solid 4 on PC.
(at least, not for a long time...)

I play consoles for the games, not for the graphics. And until the day comes where all developers decide to develop exclusively for the PC (including first party developers), that won't change.

It *will* happen.

Download(or later on stream) games onto your computer and stream it to your TV. You just need whichever controller to play.

Soon enough there won't be much to differentiate between competing consoles. It's all about the content!

I'm looking forward to a PC that uses your mind as the graphics card...a Matrix style virtual world that uses your own perception (a la dreams) to fill in the gaps.

If computers get so powerful that a low end Dell can run Crysis out of the box, I would no longer see much need in advancing the power of consoles or graphics cards. It would just reach a spot.

Still, though, I like to game while someone else in the household is using the computer. I'd hate to own two computers and I'd hate to share.

Consider there's no *officially* supported keyboard for any of the consoles. And that using a keyboard and mouse in front of your TV is stupid if you have a perfectly good game controller. Blizzard simply doesn't want to completely redesign the interface and controls of WoW for consoles. Not that hard to understand, as it would require significant effort and a dedicated team pulled away from their cash cow. Then again, they probably do have some free time now that Burning Crusade is out.

As for Console and PC gaming becoming one? At least 5-10 years off. If the PC as "entertainment hub/cache" is not a major real or perceived improvement over what they already have, people won't embrace it. What may help is less of the bullcrap from the PC side, period. Operating system makers must hold the PC game companies to the same standards as console companies hold their 3rd party devs as recently as the last console generation. This involves packaging and presentation, features, installation, branding, and yes, quality. They must reverse this generation's trend of release now/patch later inherited from PC gaming. I'm looking at Microsoft as an OS and console maker powerful enough to change things.

-JM

PS: I'm not against patches, in fact I like companies who recognize their mistakes and fix them. I don't like downloading a patch to make a game work or fun in the first place.

P.P.S. Entertainment hub: all media accessed through PC as server and streamed throughout house. think average PC, PS3. Entertainment cache: smaller, less powerful device that streams media from internet/other devices/home server. What storage there is puts less stress on the network by caching certain content. Think XBox 360 (that 20 GB HDD isn't good for much), PSP, AppleTV.

It'll happen eventually. 5 years? Maybe. Though I think it's more along the lines of consoles becoming PC's than PC's becoming consoles. Consoles are evolving as media hubs. I can see them developing the media and other abilities enough that they can do most things that pc's can, but come packaged as an all in one solution. I bet MS would love to be able to release office for console. ;)

We'll nuke ourselves off the face of the planet before the PC and console converge.

like the el Camino made the car and truck obsolete

The majority of people are fairly computer illiterate. The attraction of a seperate PC made only for gaming, where there are no installations, drivers, whatever will always dominate in the mainstream.

In order for PC's to take over gaming they need to be simple and standard. Choices/installations/settings make alot of people look the other way. Otherwise it will always be a "hardcore gamer" domain.

I think it will be the other way around. The console will be the media/Internet/everyday machine while the PC will be replaced by laptops and portable computers (like the Apple iPhone).

And now that Nintendo has brought a wireless "mouse" to consoles, they've established a new modern interface for these future media hubs. I expect to see the PC fade out in the next decade.

I don't agree at all. Why? Because I've actually gone reverse in my interests. I used to be a BIG PC gamer. As time moved on, I've become less and less interested with upgrading to the latest GPU, Mobo and RAM each time a new killer app comes out. It's too expensive, and too time consuming. I find between each must-have PC game, you need a fully revamped system...which is fun and interesting, but WAY too expensive for your ordinary game player.

Consoles take the guesswork, technical know-how and outrageous expense out of gaming. That appeals to the greatest demogrphic in my opinion.

LOL, this guy isn't too bright.

If you look up articles from the time, or do any research at all, you'll see that analysts have been predicting the end of consoles for 25 years.

After the Atari crash, they said that everyone would be playing on computers which were "better and more powereful". Then a little thing called the "NES" was released and took over the world.

They said the same thing again in the mid-1990's. "Consoles are dead, the future is in PC gaming!" Then came that little grey box known as a PlayStation.

So now, with the Wii and XBOX 360 selling gangbusters, this new dude wants to say that consoles are dying again? Ignorance of history, IMHO.

Consoles succeed IN SPITE of the fact that publishers try to push them as "hubs" because people want a GAME SYSTEM. No drivers, configuration, compatability issues, blah blah - they want something that they put a disc in and it instantly plays on their TV.

Dedicated console gaming has been "dying" in favor of computers for going on the end of a third decade. PC Gaming is what is dying - there will be no one central box, because most people could give an absolute rats shit about having one.

Adora

Bubka - I just spit latte all over my keyboard becaues of you!!! That was solid man.

Never, a real computer needs a keyboard and a mouse, some of us prefer a controller that we can hold, so if you want to game in your living room, but it doesn't have any place to rest a mouse and keyboard, you are shit out of luck, never mind if you best TV is in that living room, you are forced to play on your small computer screen.

Consoles will be with us forever because a HUGE part of the market isn't Computer Saavy. Think about the mass market and what appeals to them more? Console.

Besides all of the other problems that come along with having a PC, upgrades, viruses, WINDOWS, etc. Most people just want something simple and easy.

As long as there are low-income families, there will be game consoles. As #2 said, PC gaming is way too expensive to overtake consoles.

To #5 - Any way you slice it, $600 is a lot of money, and that's not counting controllers or games (or in the PC's case, hard drive, keyboard, mouse, controllers, and games). Price is only one factor though.

While #5 may have been able to piecemeal together a great gaming PC, most people have no idea what goes on inside a PC. Consoles are simple. Plug it into the TV, into the wall, put in a game and go. PCs don't have that ease of use for the average joe or child that consoles do. Until they do, and until gaming on PCs becomes more cost-effective than gaming on consoles (upgrading parts every year to play the latest game - hey kids, try selling that one to your mom!), there will be gaming consoles.

>> This is the first console war in history where
>> a capable PC can graphically beat any so-called
>> next-gen console. On my rig, Oblivion,
>> Condemned, GRAW, and R6: Vegas all look better
>> than their 360 counterparts.

You're kidding, right? PCs have ALWAYS had better graphics. Even modest PCs. And this is from a console fanboy (I own a PS2, Wii, 360, and two DSes).

-p-

I don't want to play games in front of my PC. Ever.

"The PC is becoming an entertainment hub ... Maybe in five years you won't need a console because you'll have one PC which delivers content [including games] all over your house,"

In other words, a Microsoft Windows Media Center Edition PC. However, Media Center hasn't taken off like Microsoft had hoped. And it now looks as if Microsoft is turning away from that model, and looking towards a more distributed home entertainment model with their Windows Home Server - small networked storage devices that deliver data to various different devices in your home.

Won't happen until people start placing their PCs in the heart of their entertainment centers. Some people use HTPCs and such, but those numbers are tiny compared to all PC and console owners. Most people still place their PCs in offices, bedrooms, and/or corner desks in varius places around the home. Consoles go in the main entertainment center.

Most people also tend to buy cheap PCs that have inegrated graphics and a bare minimum of RAM and then use it until it simply dies or becomes otherwise unusable. These same people don't upgrade their PCs either. Your average PC user never opens their PCs to put in new or upgrade components.

This will need to change drastically for consoles and PCs to actually completely merge. I don't ever see this happening completely.... or at least not in the near future. Maybe decades out, but anytime soon.

I don't see how you can praise Nintendo for releasing a lower spec machine, claiming that graphics don't make a game fun, then when the talk of PCs as a gaming platform comes up, you don't consider it a real PC unless its got all the latest 13373st hardware.

Having a computer its your choice as to how good the graphics need to be for your enjoyment, PC games scale very well and have done so for a long time. Now with the new Vista rating scale it will be as easy as comparing your system rating (which is calculated the first time you run vista) to the number on the box.

There are way too many Nintendo fan boys on these boards and I think you need to start banning some of them joystiq. They offer nothing to the topic and contidict themselves constantly in an effort to pimp their fanboy loyalties. PCs and consoles are converging and will only become more and more...

Maybe someday you'll have to choose between a Sony Vaio that runs linux and plays PS3 games or a Windows machine that plays regular windows games...then 10 years late Nintendo will jump on the bandwagon and offer their own home PC which is underpowered, undersupported, but runs on farts.

Yawn. When I can do my PC gaming from my sofa... when it doesn't cost me the same price as a new console to upgrade my computer, then I'll consider it.

@ #27: What the hell are you smoking there?
a) You can connect your PC to a HDTV easily, just as I did.
b) Starting with Vista, nearly all the "Games for Windows" titles will have XBox controller support. Actually, even now most PC games have had controller support, just not standardized.

Just so to say, I agree with the prognosis. It's understandable that PCs, being non-proprietary platforms have so much more advantages in every possible way in terms of customization, functionality et cetera.

'This is the first console war in history where a capable PC can graphically beat any so-called next-gen console. On my rig, Oblivion, Condemned, GRAW, and R6: Vegas all look better than their 360 counterparts.'

I'm sorry...what? Surely you meant to say that this is the first console war where a PC canNOT graphically beat any console...which I would still disagree with.

Consoles have always been ill in comparison to computer games.

@36

And you're then left with a situation where your PC is no longer in the ideal situation to do actual work. I don't think PCs can ever replace consoles for that reason alone. People usually have a 'main' entertainment center. Yes, if you have an HDTV you can put a PC there, but where does that leave the rest of the family when they want to watch TV or play games and daddy needs to prepare a spreadsheet for work (yes, people really do work on their PCs)?

I think we'll continue to see consoles gain PCs attibutes (e.g. web browsing, media capabilites... inother words.. mostly entertainment related activities)... but there will never be a total convergence for the reason I just gave plus my previous points in comment #34.

@36

I know dipshit, but where would you put your mouse and keyboard? Suddenly your computer is useless at everything, now it can only play games! Sounds almost like a console to me.

"I'm sorry...what? Surely you meant to say that this is the first console war where a PC canNOT graphically beat any console...which I would still disagree with."
The PC has always had superior graphics in comparison to any console. Typically the console has better graphics only for half a year after its release. The PC catches up at that very moment.
A single already venerable Radeon X1900 card can easily beat the X360's graphics quality. A single GF8800, no matter whether it is a GTS or a GTX model, simply outclasses it in every possible way. And I am telling you this from my personal experience based on all cross platform games I've recently played.

Hmm... Gotta love anti-free-speech folks. I think people are right on with the notion that eventually consoles will become "computer-esque" I.E. they are now shipping with hard drives, and are more "media friendly." I don't see consules ever going away in that respect. However, if you look at the current trend, consules are becoming more computer like then they ever have before.

On people comparing the graphics on a Wii, grow up. The wii is obviously a graphically inferior machine. Its not the graphics that make THAT system, its the experience. Got it? I.E. if you're too stupid to understand this, i'm sorry. But if another consule came out, fairly soon, which had superior graphics and the same "wiimote" type control scheme, a large chunk of people wouldn't even give the Wii a second thought. Anyway, I feel that the Wii (which I don't have) is so successful because: A. New game play style, B. Price, C. Familiarity. People don't all look at the wii and instantly connect it with 'inferior' graphics.

"I know dipshit, but where would you put your mouse and keyboard? Suddenly your computer is useless at everything, now it can only play games! Sounds almost like a console to me."
That is a retarded thing to say. You can have both a controller AND a keyboard plugged in.
If you need full PC functionality, get a bluetooth Kb/M set or this:
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/ultimatekeyboard/default.mspx
Or even get yourself a Wiimote plus some Windows drivers for it you can find with a bit of effort.
"Yes, if you have an HDTV you can put a PC there, but where does that leave the rest of the family when they want to watch TV or play games and daddy needs to prepare a spreadsheet for work (yes, people really do work on their PCs)?"
Umm, I don't see a problem here: you don't really need a gaming rig to do work. A $500 laptop easily has all the required functionality plus the advantage of portability.

Gary, that would depend on how expensive that hypothetical console would be, and if it had Nintendo developed games :

@42 [Umm, I don't see a problem here: you don't really need a gaming rig to do work. A $500 laptop easily has all the required functionality plus the advantage of portability.]

You aren't thinking like your average consumer. Most PC owners don't think in terms of "gaming rigs". They think in terms of PCs and consoles (gaming rigs in their minds). Also, most people don't own multiple PCs. Your solution is basically, "Just buy a second PC". Sorry, that won't fly with most people. So, again, quit thinking like a tech geek/avid gamer and start trying to see it from the perspective of the average console gamer. Those are the people who have to be changed for PCs and consoles to completely merge. We are still a long way from that point, IMO. Hell, I'm an avid gamer (PC, 360, PS3, Wii, PSP x 2, DS x3) and I still keep my PCs in an office upstairs and my consoles in the main entertainment center and have no plans to change that anytime soon.

Autocrawler, the whole point I'm trying to make is that it's hard for a PC to serve as a living room gaming system at the same time as a internet browser/word processor/any application that requires a keyboard and mouse, because

a) A TV in a living room is more often than not multifunctional, if daddy needs the computer to do some work but his kid wants to watch Power Rangers, one of them will be shit out of luck.

b) In most living rooms there is no place for a keyboard or mouse, wireless or not, which would make the PC connected to the living room TV useful for gaming with the Xbox 360 controller only. You can't sit on the couch with a keyboard and mouse on your lap.

One solution is to have another computer, that is only used to do work, browse internet efficiently, etc., but that would defeat the whole purpose of having that functionality on the gaming PC in the living room! And that functionality isn't free; you pay for it. You pay for the OS, you pay for whatever processor power is needed to keep the OS running, you even pay for the freaking mouse and keyboard inputs. What is the convenience of having a PC then? It's upgradeable. Is upgrading a PC user-friendly? Hardly. Who defines the market? Average Joe, and Average Joe doesn't want to open up his computer and move shit around. Why not just buy a console, where you can be sure your games will always work, with no installation needed, and where your gaming system is safe from viruses. Why do you think consoles aren't upgradeable? Because that would make some of the games that require such upgrades unplayable on an un-upgraded system, and Average Joe doesn't like that.

That's wishful thinking but it ain't going to happen. Console game sales slaughter PC games and the only thing preventing a death blow is the lack of MMORPG's on consoles. There will always be PC gaming but it will never get close to the overall popularity of consoles.

"You're kidding, right? PCs have ALWAYS had better graphics. Even modest PCs. And this is from a console fanboy (I own a PS2, Wii, 360, and two DSes)."

I'm glad someone said it. PC games have outperformed console game pretty much from the start. Look at old Sierra games (King's Quest) vs. Atari 2600 and even NES.

Half Life vs PS1 or N64, etc. etc.

Consoles have always lagged behind computers in graphics abilities.

Where consoles have always succeeded though is: Cheaper, standardization, connect to television (play on the couch), more social (multi-player with your friends over), ease (pop in the disc and play), portability (bringing a game or even a console to a friends house.)

These are things PC games struggled with -- especially multi-player. Before online games, most computer games were solitary games.

"Also, most people don't own multiple PCs."
A *laptop* is not a desktop PC. Most people I know, even those who can hardly be classified as geeks have both-and both are used for different purposes.
"but that would defeat the whole purpose of having that functionality on the gaming PC in the living room!"
Right, but umm...I thought we were talking about PCs doubling as *entertainment hubs*, not as work computers! The point of having a PC in your living room isn't internet browsing or word processing or whatever: it is gaming, movie/music storage/playback, P2P file exchange, DVR functionality and such. Consoles, being proprietary are greatly limited in all of those aspects.
"TV useful for gaming with the Xbox 360 controller only. You can't sit on the couch with a keyboard and mouse on your lap."
Yes, you can't play games with KB/M controls with this setup. But neither can any console. So I don't really see a problem there.

@48

Well, we'll see. I think you are way out of touch with the average consumer if you think they are going to buy additonal PCs for their entertainment centers. Yes, consoles are purposefully limited in the media capabilities, but this could be change at any time by the manufacturers. This isn't technological limitation.

Yeah, because Microsoft is going to go DOWN as they ONLY sell 360's. Games for Windows will SLAUGHTER consoles and Microsoft will go BANKRUPT! Except that Microsoft practically OWNS consoles AND PC's...how is this even CLOSE to "making a pass?"