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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:25PM (Unverified) said

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His Thompson comment is completely and utterly true, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 11:57AM (Unverified) said

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It's true about the Jack Thompson thing. Just like Ewe Boll, if you guys stop talking about them then they will go away. Any press is good press.

1Up yours has a policy never to mention Jack thompson's name on the air. They did once by accident and caught themselves.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:03PM Silver R Wolfe said

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The site that I admin on, we've coded it so that if you ever type HIS name, it'll change it to Raging Douchebag.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:01PM (Unverified) said

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Sorry Joystiq, Doug was right. Jack Thompson gets a lot more press than the newsworthiness of his antics should merit. The gaming press is Jack's best friend.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:28PM (Unverified) said

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I think Doug makes plenty of really good points, especially the shots at game journalists and developers needing to act a little more like professionals.

I was listening to 1up Yours this morning and they all seemed to get upset with his jab at them, made fun of it, and continued to act how they normally do. I'm not saying it's wrong of them or others to act the way they do, but there is a reason people aren't taking the video game industry as serious as the music and movie industries.

I think it's usually entertaining when someone like David Jaffe goes on a tangent, but at the same time, he isn't painting a pretty picture of developers. Cliffy B seems like he's a genuine gamer, but the way he talks doesn't seem to be the way you think a "leader" should talk. The truth is, these are our poster boys for the industry, and it probably wouldn't hurt to have them act as such.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:30PM (Unverified) said

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@Tony - I'm saying that hiding our collective heads in the sand and pretending that Jack doesn't exits is foolish. If every game site in the world stopped writing about him tomorrow, he would still be on mainstream media outlets, and where's the counterpoint then?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:33PM copa said

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I agree 100% with Doug on the Jack Thompson issue. The ONLY stories about Thompson that should get much coverage are the ones like Kotaku's that remind everyone he has been discredited within the legal community.

Joystiq is one of the very worst offenders about dedicating blog posts to every piece of excrement that comes out of this man's mouth, if it gets picked up on so much as local TV news outlet.

National news sources see JT's name mentioned over and over again on Joystiq, and mistakenly believe that he has standing and eminence.

The effect of videogame violence in society is an important topic, which merits coverage of serious people on both sides of the issue. But validating the Anna Nicole Smith of this debate with preening coverage of "OMG! Did you hear what he said TODAY?" degrades the debate and this site.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:41PM ShinAntonio said

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Doug got things right. If someone seriously compared you to Saddam Hussein (and later went on to "apologize" to Hussein for doing that), would you give them even an inkling of acknowledgement? How do you respond to such ridiculous hyperbole? You don't.

And you're assuming that when Doug appeared on TV, the news programs bothered to even invite someone to respond to Thompson's accusations. The Utah bill and Florida bar weren't picked up by the mainstream media because IT ISN'T NEWS. Calling for the impeachment of the attorney general in Utah isn't newsworthy, whether the guy doing it is a nutcase or not. Jack Thompson isn't a "national figure", he's a talking head that news programs bring on when they need someone to talk about the games industry, like all those professors you see on CNN and Fox News talking about their field and never being seen again.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 3:28PM SuperRob said

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The trick with guys like Thompson is to react to the issues, not the person. That's the balance that people are failing to strike. Not printing his name is a step, but you really need to find a way to address the problems without giving him more media attention, which is all he truly desires.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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I have to echo the last two comments, as those would be my "rebuttal" of sorts. There's also the fact that a lot of mainstream news sites barely have much to say about the man at all... largely because he's been discredited on so many levels by so many places of note, many of which have nothing to do with video games to begin with.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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When you post stories about Jack Thompson you might as well be posting a poop joke. Crap he says is not news and does not provide a service to the gaming community. It's sensationalistic crap that serves only to drive traffic to your site, nothing more. Doug was right to ignore Thompson because Thompson is not worth paying attention to. The only reason I even know who he is is because he was covered on Joystiq and on sites like it.

Posting an article like this is childish and immature. How about you take some responsibility for the crap you post?!
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 12:56PM copa said

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"If every game site in the world stopped writing about him tomorrow, he would still be on mainstream media outlets, and where's the counterpoint then?"

You guys just don't get it.

If every game site stopped writing abut him tomorrow, and instead covered serious contributors to the discussion of videogame violence, you would see the serious contributors show up on the talking-head panels more and more, and Jack Thompson show up less and less. YOU are the reason why mainstream news outlets think he is someone important.

Where's the counterpoint? That is the stupidest possible question.

You actually CAN have counterpoints to censorship of videogames without mentioning Jack Thompson. Believe me, it's possible. Talk about legislative developments. Cover serious participants in the debate. Offer an editorial view.

If you honestly believe you can't have a serious debate on videogame censorship without covering Jack Thompson, then you are just buying into his crap.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:24PM (Unverified) said

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Ugh. Not another Thompson article.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 3:03PM (Unverified) said

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@copa - the coverage is not about debating game violence with Thompson. It's about reporting what is happening out there.

Are you aware, for instance that Thompson worked with state legislators in Utah, Delaware and Louisiana on game legislation last year? And in Utah and Massachusetts so far this year?

If you read GamePolitics you would be. It's important to cover these things. The gaming press is watching closely and understands the issues involved. The mainstream media generally isn't.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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I think Doug is in the right here. His speech was truly stirring, and it's sad to see him leave the ESA. Thompson doesn't need attention - the ESA needs attention, and Doug made sure it got that.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:10PM miniboss1232 said

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Imagine that. A "journalist" being upset over Lowenstein calling out journalists.

You're a big kid now, aren't you?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:13PM (Unverified) said

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You know, I think it's a bit sad that many gamers subscribe to the "ignore him and he'll go away" school of how to deal with Jack Thompson.

First off, while he has been repeatedly disproven time and again, he hasn't been discredited in the legal community - despite actions taken against him before, he still is a registered lawyer on the Florida Bar. Should he ever get disbarred, then we can call him "disgraced in the legal community."

But here's the kicker people don't seem to understand - he's a gadfly that hunts down any attempt to take on the video game industry. Do you think a lack of coverage by the video game media would have prevented him from getting involved in the Utah bill? Do you think a lack of video game media coverage would have made Tom Menino find someone else to help write a Massachusetts anti-video game bill?

News flash - Jack Thompson gets involved in video game issues even if we ignore him. If we don't give him coverage, he'll continue to do the same things he always does, but he'll do it where we can't see him. What would you prefer - JT doing his work in silence, or JT doing his work under the full view of the public, gaming or no?

Personally, I prefer knowing what he's doing. As long as he fights against video gaming, he deserves the coverage he gets. And we need to pay attention, to know how to counter him.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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It seems to me, that when we the majority tell you that you're wrong, Dennis (and Joystiq, and IGN, and 1UP, etc), maybe you need to get off the defensive and consider that you might actually be wrong. I understand that you can't really have an objective point of view on this because you ARE the very people he criticized, but think about it.

When we criticize companies about mistakes they are making in marketing or whathaveyou, we've just been seeing them tell us how we are wrong. Don't become the hypocrits.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:33PM copa said

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"As long as he fights against video gaming, he deserves the coverage he gets."

I'm sure Jack Thompson agrees. The problem is, he would drop trough and crap on a TV mike if he thought it would get him more coverage.

The fact that JT really wants everyone to pay attention to him does not mean he deserves coverage.

Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman are examples of serious proponents of videogame censorship. They deserve coverage, and covering them leads to an informed debate.

Placing Jack Thompson into this category is grossly misguided.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:35PM (Unverified) said

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I agree with Hal that ignoring Thompson isn't the answer. Whenever he makes atrocious and absurd claims, we have a responsibility to expose his lies. By ignoring the industry's enemies, we've allowed the media to convey a one-sided message to the general public. We have to stand up and say "NO!" to the lies spewed out by trash such as Thompson.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:35PM copa said

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"1Up yours has a policy never to mention Jack thompson's name on the air."

It's worth noting that the GameSpot podcast has the same policy. Some gaming news outlets are starting to grow up.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 3:22PM (Unverified) said

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"It's true about the Jack Thompson thing. Just like Ewe Boll, if you guys stop talking about them then they will go away. Any press is good press."

I'm sorry, but this falls along the same lines as ignoring the other kids who tease you in school: It doesn't work, period, I know from experience.

What did work was standing up for yourself and not taking shit from other people who didn't know a damn thing about you. Not violently, of course, but every man and woman needs to stand for what they believe in.

Ignoring does nothing, as far as I'm concerned, a guidance counselor/parent/teacher telling you to "Ignore" someone who bothers you is not doing their job.

~HotShotX
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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I'm actually dissappointed in this article. I normally expect objectively written pieces from you. Now that there is an article that directly involves yourself an other journalists, I feel like you've lost all objectivity. Maybe it's because I think your conclusion was wrong, but I've disagreed before and changed my mind after hearing something from you objectively...
Maybe I am wrong, but I think you are too close to this issue and were unable to look at it as an outsider.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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I said "objective" too much. Sorry. I rushed that comment.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 2:18PM (Unverified) said

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The fact of the matter is that the gaming press did not elevate Thompson up to the position of itinerant game-hater, he did that in and of himself. Yes, he played the computer press, deliberately insulted and offended every gamer he could find, and yes, that was a deliberate piece of attention whoring, but the fact of the matter is that he did not NEED the computer press to back him up.

If people are hiring Thompson to do legislative work for them then it is patently obvious that they DONT read 90% of what the computer press has to say about him, if they did, they wouldn't be so surprised when he starts throwing tantrums etc.

So to say the computer press is guilty of raising Jack Thompson on a soapbox when the real fault lay with legislators not bothering to learn about the man they have just asked to help them draft a law, and they could learn this from the same computer press, I might add, that allegedly bought him to their attention, then there is something more in the works than simple JT-style Media Prostitution.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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Erm, newsflash for everybody who only thinks Mr. Thompson is famous because of the gaming press:

He has been in and out of the news for nearly TWENTY YEARS for trying to censor things!

Were there no such thing as gaming sites/blogs/whatever, he would still be the go-to guy for the media when it comes to moral panics. Do people just have the attention span of a fruit fly? Or is everyone who thinks he'll go away if we stick our head in the sand just too young to remember the whole PMRC/2 Live Crew fiasco?

Maybe he is right about games damaging brains after all. ^_^
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 3:09PM NintendoFanbot said

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Facing Jack wouldn't really solve the problem, because Jack is full of lies and exaggerations himself. Dealing with the GOVERNMENT, however, is what should be happening and what was forced upon the ESA when Hot Coffee happened.

I think the gaming press IS wrong on certain issues. A lot of times they pretend to be in the gamer's corner on certain issues but for reputations and liability's sake they can't truly do that. There are times when gaming press is very disconnected with the reader, or at risk of disconnecting with a reader. Jeff Gerstman, after giving Zelda: TP an 8.8, got a ton of negative feedback and followed up with input from another GameSpot guy an article that tore into the Zelda fanbase. Peer Schneider was warning the IGN staff of disconnecting with readers in the IGN roundtable after their Game of the Year fiasco. If you watch their GOTY Video you might see what I mean.

It's not what standpoint the gaming press takes, but how professional and agreeable they can make their standpoint. Wanna bash JT to holy hell then make your reasoning stand out, not because it's "common knowledge among gamers that JT is eval".

Personally, I'd rather see a videogame news organization take him on for more than SEVEN FRICKING MINUTES *cough*G4/AotS*cough*. As much as Adam Sessler is a king among mortals, his political tirade/rant on AotS was appalling. What makes it worse is that a lot of gamers support Sessler for what he did.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 3:30PM (Unverified) said

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I agree that Thompson does use the media to garner more attention, but does that mean that the only way he'll continue drafting new laws is only if the press picks it up? That's completely illogical, but that's the logic some of you commenters are posting. Personally, I would want to know what this man is up to, so I can be informed of what's happening with my hobby that I really enjoy and to take action if he so happens to try and pass a law in my area.

And to all those people that complain about how Joystiq posts too much crap about Mr. Thompson, grow up! You have choices you know. It's not like I walk by the newstand and complain about how the tabloids keep covering TomKat and how disgusting it is. I just ignore it and choose not to read about it. It's that simple. Just scroll past the post.

Oh and the reference to Doug from The State in the first paragraph is excellent, Mr. McCauley. "And I'm not going to stop having sex behind the supermarket just because you said I could do it in my own room, dad. I'm Doug, solemente Doug. Teens and adults don't mix. Whatever, I'm outta heeeereee...."
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Posted: Feb 13th 2007 6:29AM CA said

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I agree with Doug, he's right all the way. Ask a random non-gamer who Jack Thompson is and they probably couldn't tell you. We'll Miss ya Doug!
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 4:25PM (Unverified) said

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I'm with Dennis on this issue exactly for the same reasons.

If the gaming media kept quiet while Thumper ranted on other media, why wouldn't the mass media outlets contact him for soundbytes? He'd be the only voice.

You don't win an argument by pretending it doesn't exist. You win it by arguing your points across better. Given Thumper's tendency to go all batshit insane with the slightest provocation or problem, it shouldn't be really all that hard.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 5:13PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, a consumer group taking shots at an industry group...

I'm watching paint dry if anyone is interested.

Seriously though, I wouldn't really call GamingPolitics the 'press' considering its cozy ties with the ECA. Hardly objective reporting.

But whatever.

Jack Thompson who? From looking at GamingPolitics.com, it would seem that if they weren't talking about Thompson, they wouldn't have ANYTHING to talk about at all.

Again, the paint is drying. BYOB.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 7:21PM (Unverified) said

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The fact is, Thompson should have been bankrupted and disbarred years ago. The reason he wasn't, and the reason he's even still being considered legitimate by the Main stream media, is that the game industry did not, or would not, confront the man either on air or in court. They simply sat by and let him assualt us, the industry, and games in general and never fought back. Now, Jack is facing serious legal reprocussions before the florida supreme court, but the fact is, this should have, and could have happened, years ago.

GP is right, doug, is a coward, who was content sit back and hide behind his lawyers and fight legislation and piracy, but never dared enter the one arena where games needed the most defense, the public arena.

So, good bye Doug, best wishs, and all that, the industry will be better off. Hopefully whoever replaces you, will have some F#$^ing Balls!
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 7:46PM oboreruhito said

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"You know who gives Jack Thompson more attention than anyone else? The games press ... I just ... I just think it's nuts."

What's false there? The games press does give him more attention than anyone else. JT talks about games, and games press writes about games. JT knows that, games press knows JT moves page views/circulation/chatter.

The real question is, which one is the tick and which is the dog? Does JT grow because of the games press, or does the games press grow because of JT? Or is it symbiotic?

Lowenstein didn't respond to JT's comments because doing so would endorse their credibility - not the content of them, but that they're important enough for the figurehead of the industry to stoop down and respond to. He treated JT the way businesses should treat lone nutcases screaming outside the building - not at all.

What he should have done was go after the games press sooner, and not just for giving JT credibility to squander. Shitty, bought-out reviewers are doing far more damage to the industry than JT ever could.

The only reason Joystiq's pissed is because a public have-at-it between JT and Lowenstein would've made for great blogging.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 9:34PM CyberSkull said

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The thing is, your both right about Thompson. The problem itself is Thompson. He can't get the gaming press to take him seriously because of his extreme hyperbole (even for the game industry), basic ignorance of the topic at hand and his ignorant, hateful speech is the clincher though. Most of his comments slip under the mainstream and are picked up rapidly by the gaming press, as it does concern them. Any press he gets bolsters him, feeding into a vicious cycle.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2007 11:01PM (Unverified) said

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Lets be blunt here:

Your average joe will NOT BE READING GAMING NEWS SITES OR MAGAZINES.

Sorry to shout but I think that probably should have been in the ear of Doug L. All Jack's Publicity has come from the mainstream media and his behind the scenes work in drafting laws. If noone in the gaming scene ever mentioned his name again it would not make him go away, We just wouldn't know our enemy.

Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I will continue to read up on and hope the gaming press delivers news on Jack T. and wait for common sense to prevail. Oh and don't forget, sometimes we need to be vocal in the face of these unjust attacks*

*See Frank Zappa
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Posted: Feb 13th 2007 10:29AM (Unverified) said

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"Your average joe will NOT BE READING GAMING NEWS SITES OR MAGAZINES."

True. Which makes any argument of "counterpoint" rather irrelevant as well.

I completely agree with Doug that the gaming sites should give it a rest with posting every bit of thompson news. (though i think gamepolitics wouldn't actually have ANY posts without him!).

However I also feel that the ESRB and the industry needs to get out there and support nd defend their industry.

Letting him be the only voice in the room is a bad idea.. but hyping him up all the time isn't a good idea either. Get out there and say positives about the game industry.. just don't mention JT every time you do.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2007 1:11PM (Unverified) said

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You've missed the point here, much like a lot of the people who are shouting for everyone to ignore him. If the gaming press cover him or not, the mainstream media will continue to do so and the legal eagles will continue to give them their time.

By reporting what he is doing he is being held to account. Sure he is an attention seeking media whore, but he will get that attention from sources far more influential than these gaming blogs.

What Doug needed to do was respond in equal conviction to the lies that were being spread from the very beginning to avoid the sea of misinformation that is out there. Not here in the blogs, but out in the media outlets and in the courts; sueing Jack for any defamatory comments and lies aimed at him, the ESA and the industry.

Doug failed to defend himself or the people he represented. He was negligent in his duties, and trying to blame everyone in gaming journalism is frankly ludicrous.

We need someone in charge willing to stand up and be counted in the Mainstream media and not bury their heads in the sand hoping it will go away. It won't.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 1:10PM (Unverified) said

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I think Jack Thompson is an American problem and the debate should be between the American gaming press. His rants and reactions hardly make any impact in the other gaming markets. His role, though, seems very overblow. I don;t think Lowenstein was saying "Pretend Jack doesn't exist"; I think he meant that there was too much coverage for the guy. Because of all the attention he's been getting, he's even appeared in Time. Game journalists have to acknowledge their role in that.
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