Gundam Musou PS3 bundle: a system-seller?

Why does Japan get a $600 PS3, game, and shiny stuff for the same price as we get just the PS3 here? What sorcery is this?

They're trying to save it from dying?

(I don't believe this, but someone would eventually say it - best to get it out there quickly)

I don't know. Why does Europe get an $800 PS3? Because they think a certain region will pay more or less? They care more about business in Japan (likely to a point)?

Its called Japan is god and can do as they wish.

I mean, we destroyed their whole way of life back in the 40s, deny them from having a military, prevented them from allowing smut without blur outside of japan, and basically made their leader nothing more than a figure head like ours. I think they deserve a little price break =)

I guess the short answer too is, it's made there, they can charge less because they

Gundam Musuo I want

Well we have to pay the shipping cost.

"5. Well we have to pay the shipping cost."

PS3 is made in China, Taiwan, etc... not Japan. They ship too. ;)

Yes I know but we have to pay the airmile.

China to japan is almost nothing if They using on the boat shipping.

to Christopher7xii:

A few of your points are pretty stupid.

1. we destroyed their whole way of life back in the 40s

They attacked us without provocation. We annihilated them. They asked for it.

2. deny them from having a military

They attacked us without provocation. We annihilated them. They asked for it.

3. prevented them from allowing smut without blur outside of japan

I'm sure that is their choice.

4. basically made their leader nothing more than a figure head like ours

Not sure about this one, but in case this has anything to do with WWII:
They attacked us without provocation. We annihilated them. They asked for it.

@ Spartan 1308

Please tell me you're not trying to justify the use of atomic weaponry on Japan ...

@10.

ONLY on the internet can one go from from a post about a bundle to a discussion of the Atomic weapons used in Japan.


Oh yeah, and I would've nuked them too.

Getting back on track here, this may be the only Gundam game that looks interesting in ages for me. Sure it's a hack and slash, but how badly could they screw this one up?

Great, you just know playing as a gundam in a Dynasty Warriors game is going to sell like hotcakes.

You know, I'd call the Japanese sheep, but then, our #1 selling franchise every year is Madden, so we can't really talk.

Spartan 1308...

"A few of your points are pretty stupid."
--Not really, lets break them down so you can see why!

"They attacked us without provocation. We annihilated them. They asked for it."
--You must have seen a different take on history than I have... I never saw anywhere them passing a note saying "please annihilate our cities filled with nothing but civilians". I'll have to check national archives though... Aside from that point, I never said they were without blame, I just said we destroyed their way of life, which we did. Americans have a habbit of having to embarass our opponents (that agru bah prison shit as prime example). As for disbanding their military, yeah, seems fair to me. They get involved in a war (without provocation?), as we're involved in a war, and suddenly it's "without provocation"? Annnyywwayys, never being able to defend yourself against invading countries sounds like getting screwed if you ask me.

"3. prevented them from allowing smut without blur outside of japan
I'm sure that is their choice."
--Actually, no, it wasn't. It was law forced by us. It came to an end in the 90s, but it was still something we forced on them because we saw it unfit otherwise. And of course, if america sees it one way, that MUST be the absolute way.

"4. basically made their leader nothing more than a figure head like ours

Not sure about this one, but in case this has anything to do with WWII:
They attacked us without provocation. We annihilated them. They asked for it."
-- You really have a selfish mentality when it comes to this, don't you? Believe it or not, when you're involved in a WAR (like we were), that IS PROVOCATION.

Regardless, destroying major cities with no real military presence and causing cancer amoungst about 70% that did survive is bullshit. That's like someone throwing a rock at you for getting in a fight with their brother, so you burn down their house on christmas and kill their kids, grand parents, cousins and pets while they're away picking up a honeybaked ham.

Eitherway... As mentioned before, you're kind of an asshole for saying atomic weapons were ever justified. Good to hear more Americans not having an ounce of human compassion. Keep on raising that bar!

"You really have a selfish mentality when it comes to this, don't you? Believe it or not, when you're involved in a WAR (like we were), that IS PROVOCATION."

Not that I'm on any side here, but we weren't at war with them when they attacked Pearl Harbor. That's how they declared war.

Can we go back to the "PS3 is dead! PS3 is dead! ::spazzes:: Wii360 4-EVAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"? It's much more fun. :)

k9

Actually per the norms of Japanese culture at that time. They did inform us the attack shortly before it occurred. Some old norm of having to wake a sleeping enemies before killing them. That said they did attack the US without provocation. Although I can see Christophers point about nuking civilians. Since we all have the benefit of hindsight this whole conversation is pretty moot.

James K. has it right. Pop some popcorn at watch the fanboys go at each other.

Look. War is war. Japan hit us because we were supplying our allies in a war againster their ally, Germany. They also suspected us of fueling China in the Japan/China conflict. They didn't just wake up with a hankering to bomb Americans.

With that said, Japan launched a devastating attack on us without a real provocation or warning or ultimatum that we didn't meet. As is customary with the US being attacked, we kicked their ass and changed their government. At least Japan is doing relatively fine now because they went along with all our gay little rules afterward, unlike Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, etc. Not saying might is right, but there is precedent that if you do go along with us things can turn out fine, albeit at a sacrifice in tradition and culture.

But, holding on to 500 year old cultures, traditions, and governing forms just ensures your country being a shitpot that the hole world pisses in anyways. Just look at the Middle East. Successful countries have modern elements in their societies. How many successful nations have public beheadings, zero women's rights, slaves, etc? Are you noticing a pattern, Ron?

As for the use of the atomic bombs, they were mere firecrackers compared to the nuclear bombs of today. If you look at the actual casualties from them they aren't very high. Japan lost 600,000 civilians total, with less than half of them killed by the A-bombs and their associated effects. The Soviet Union lost 11.5 million civilians. Indonesia-4 million. China-7 million. India-1.5. Poland-2.2. That is just civilians. You get the point. The main reason the A-bomb dropping is such a big deal is because those 4 square blocks are unusable and it is a neat little rhetoric based anti-US talking point. But, the difference between the a-bombs of Japan and nuclear weapons of today are the same as the difference between a firecracker and a large hunk of C4.

Seriously, we would have killed more carpet bombing them into submission. Yes, the targets were civilian, but they were military manufacturing centers. And Japan wasn't going to just give up like France or something. As sick as it sounds, dropping the A-bomb was probably the correct choice. It saved probably millions of lives and ensured a complete and total surrender, allowing Japan to immediately look to the future rather than drag out some sabotage/hit n run guerilla war in the streets for 5 years until we leave while ensuring the place is a shithole for the next 50 minimum. Historically, it is much worse to win a war against the US than lose one, and it is best to just go along with the little requests in the first place. Ah, hell with that, we got pride baby let's get it on.

But hey, at least we didn't use a bat bomb on Japan. By "we" I mean individuals before my time that aren't related to me nor share half of my views on life, interests, background, etc. That was "our" plan until the A-bomb turned out to work and the pres. made the call. This would have been really embarrasing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

Wait, what was this thread about. Sorry, I like talking about history.

Nice reply, Jake.

As much as I love Japan, and as much as I am not happy with the use of nukes, the sad fact that it DID stop the war. Much quicker than if it would have went to a ground war, and could very well have been less deaths due to the bombs than said ground war. BTW, your cancer rate percentage is total BS. If it's so deadly, how come there are thriving cities in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Hell, Hiroshima has some of the highest real estate values in Japan because people WANT to move there.

Oh, and let's not forget that ALL of Japan was involved in military industry. And that Nagasaki (if I'm not mistaken, if I am, Hiroshima) was a millitary supply depot. And that there was no such thing as smart bombs back then. It was not untill Viet Nam that war was fought only against military, and not the country as a whole. I guess you have hate for Germany, UK, and Japan for their actions as much as the U.S.'s actions right?

Besides, when has there been a Gundam game that was fun for anyone else besides the Gundam Otaku?

That bat bomb idea is fucking genius, so much smarter than an A-bomb, seriously who the hell would think of putting incendiary bombs on bats? Genius I tell you. Way less civilians would've died and the areas wouldn't be radioactive.

As a Canadian who has many good friends from Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Vietnam (hit the link below to see some of them), I have very mixed feelings about WWII.

I think for me, the most unfortunate thing is that, unlike Germany, Japan did not make the necessary effort to restore its international reputation after the fact.

But on the other side of the coin, in other areas of the region, especially mainland China, nothing unites a people like a common enemy. Some Chinese speak like they're completely brainwashed - all they can talk about is how horrible the Japanese are, how the only reason they are successful economically is because of the aid they got from the US, and they even try to say that the nuclear bombing of Japan never happened. I'm sure the Chinese government loves this, because it means their citizens are less likely to criticize their own human rights record ("Hey we're not the bad guys, Japan is!")

This is not defend the actions of the Japanese. Reading about many of Japan's actions during WWII made me literally sick to my stomach.

However, in my opinion, the most important thing to remember is that this happened a couple of generations ago. Most of my friends are in their early 30's or younger, and I think it's sad to see bitter hatred and resentment get passed down from generation to generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJIyrcuX3oU

PS I can't get excited about Gundam, but Motorstorm is sounding pretty sweet. Let's hope it's just the tip of the iceberg..

Gundam appears to be one of those retarded Japanese shows which has absolutely zero merit for existing, let alone gathering any kind of international or national audience. See also Pokemon, Dragonball Z etc.

Seriously, what the HELL is it about? Why would anybody be interested to the point of obsession in a game franchise based around a cartoon show?

Talk about flamebait.

Why do people watch star trek to the point of obsession DrXym?

Why do people watch Lost or 24 to the point of obsession?

Why does anyone do anything?

Because it's fun maybe? I'd hardly call Gundam pointless. Alot of the original UC stories from the 80's were actually quite good. It was an interesting experiment to combine hard science fiction with the already popular Japanese giant robot plotline. I'm not too big on the newer non UC gundam stories though, since they tend to be a little more fanciful, but I think it's a bit harsh to dismiss all of the gundam mythology as worthless.

With that said I’d like to check out this game. I don’t know if it will be any good considering 90% of the gundam games released are crap, but I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt. What I really want is another Mechwarrior game. What gaming god do I have to pray to to get another one of those released?

Perhaps I can shed some light here.

Gundam is one of the most popular brand names in Japan. By that, I mean it has lots of idiotic fanboys willing to buy anything with 'Gundam' in it. Now, this fanbase is nothing to be scoffed at. It is one of the fastest ways to boost sales of ANY product, be it console, toys or silly posters. (Yes, there was a Gundam game for the XBOX360)

Now, take this giant consumerbase with a 'dying' console and you have 'success'.

Never underestimate the power of the idiotic fanboy. They got the numbers and the stupidity(only a fanboy would buy a PS3 for one game) to help win a silly console war.

23: Try Cthulu.

Gundamn is no small matter. I remember a couple of my friends being all psyced b/c of how Gundam for n64 would turn out (AFAIK, it never did), but you don't have to be a Gundam fan to like it. Heck, just being Star Wars fan will do.

Having all those boxes, discs, extras, and shiney stuff like buying the collector's edition of some console/PC game here would make me feel giddy. The fact that they get it all cheaper then the US makes me a bit disappointed, but hey, at least we're not paying 700 to 1200 USD for a 60GB PS3 like they are in Europe/Ireland.

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Of course 60K Japs dying in a couple of atomic blasts is a big deal. 4K US folks dying in Sept. 11 made a VERY big splash on the news for weeks to come.

I'm mixed about the bomb too, but I feel if Japan had it, they would've used it on a Metropolitan like Chicago or NYC. Instead of Japanese girls with kimono images burned into their skin, it would've American ladies with designer dresses and fabrics burnt into their skin.

The japanese did deserve to have two cities full of civilians nuked. Why? Ask the Chinese, Filipinos, Koreans and most of South East Asia. Besides, it would've taken at least 1million allied casualties to invade Japan. So stop being a baby and talk about how these dummies buy Gundam no matter how terrible the game is.

One more thing on how the Japanese deserved to be nuked. They sent bombs on balloons across the jetstream toward the United States to kill civilians in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Balloon_Bombs

And the Japanese were also at the early stages of the ir Nuclear program. I wonder what they would've done with those? So for the rest of you gamers who have unjustified remorse for what you grand fathers/great grand fathers did to the poor Japanese (whom you only care about because they make video games and kooky cartoons that you like) get over it. They started it.

To Christopher7xii:

It seems that you are putting Japanese civilian lives ahead of Allied military lives. I can't agree with you on that. Japan was wrong for attacking Pearl Harbor whether they RSVPd or not. They were also horribly wrong about the countries they chose to align themselves with. It's clear from most of the comments above that many people understand why we did what we did. I don't think you do. We had a choice. We could sacrifice our lives or theirs. Your analogy that compares Pearl Harbor to throwing a rock at someone is horribly off base. By the way, I disagreed with your ideas. I didn't attack you personally.

"It seems that you are putting Japanese civilian lives ahead of Allied military lives. I can't agree with you on that."
-- It's just my belief that if you're a soldier, regardless of any country that you come from, you're willing to kill and die for your country. You reap what you sow. If you're willing to kill someone else, you deserve to die by someone elses desires.

Civilians on the other hand, just get caught up in it because they happen to live in the country, and may or may not believe or support the war. I see no reason why civilians should get caught up in it at all.

As for how this all got started... I just said we robbed their way of life (destroyed their culture). I never said Americans should have died. I just think that most Americans have the mentality of anything and everything we do is pure and righteous, when in reality we just happened to win the war so our actions seem like we punished the wicked and we can brag about it. It's silly to me.

And no, I don't just care about Japan because they give me video games, anime, and pocky. I just don't think any country should be ripped of their culture and forced to live by another persons decree. It's ridiculous to think that we need to "civilize" other societies because they don't match our own.

That's my take on it.

I think you are trying to make this about other wars, and that isn't where the discussion started. I don't believe everything we have done is right. There probably hasn't been a war the U.S. was involved in that was more justified than WWII. I do agree with the atomic bomb drops on Japan. The "civilians" were building the weapons that the Japanese military was using.

I do believe that military people make the agreement to give their lives if necessary, but I don't think that means their lives should be sacrificed with greater ease. The Japanese didn't either as they killed millions of Chinese civilians.

On the point of destroying their way of life, I would say that dropping the bombs actually led to them being able to maintain more of their way of life. What do you think would have happened if we had a drawn out ground war? There would have been plenty of civilians killed and devastation across the entire country rather than 2 cities.

It would be nice if we didn't have wars at all or we could send robots out into a completely unoccupied territory to fight, but that just isn't realistic. Civilians are always involved. We did what was best for us, and that's what Japan thought they were doing in declaring war on us in the first place.

Ok Ok. Im new to this and im really sick of hell reading all your talk about WWII when this is about Gundam Musoubut let me say my opinion on this matter. Japan attacked pear harbour with their planes (using just bullets and missiles or whatever they were called back then). Yes civillians were killed. Yes soilders were killed. So how does America respond...(30seconds of planning) drop a atomic bomb onto hiroshima and kills thousands of civilians leves lots of other's with problems today. When you look at this from a certain angle america is pissed off and wants revenge and make itself look powerful in the long run like a child. No atomic weapons should ever be used in that scenario.