GameHead gets Reggie making PS3 shooting crack

Also, can I point out that companies that compare themselves with/make fun of each other are usually inferior. E.g. Mac adverts, Nintendo taking the piss out of Sony bluntly etc

This is unusual coming from Reggie, but I like it.

*sigh*

Wow, once upon a time, Nintendo fans weren't quite so pathetic.

Yes, ER, you dumb shit. I've played all those games including the ones that haven't been released yet. Why, with my magical Nazi time machine, I've even played Super Mario Universe, Killzone XIII, and Manhunt Puzzle Land. I just have to wear a special belt and tap the button on it three times to come back to this era. You guys are SOOO going to love Pokemon Platinum Opaque. Get this, in a mere 12 years, Nintendo will finally start adding animations to the monster sprites during battle. Innovations!

Look, let me break it down for you, nice and simple since that's the only way you'll understand (I'm currently thinking how much the paragraph above has either blown your mind or illicited a grade schoolish "nu uh"), if I do not care for racing games in general (Ridge Racer being the only exception), and Wii offers me Need For Speed Carbon... do I really have to play it to know I'll hate it? After all, I tried the 360 demo and the last thing EA is known for is innovation between consoles. Likewise, I hate WWII shooters with a passion of the christ. I mean it, you could lay Activision right in front of me and I would flay the skin from their back with such conviction if I could spare the world another WWII shooter. Owned Red Steel, sold it because it was garbage shit. Rapalla? Look at the reviews, man. In fact, that's what I do. When a Wii game drops, I look at the reviews to find out if the port job is worth it and more often than not, it's not. In fact, one can easily draw parallels between the launch period DS and the launch period Wii. Right now? The developers are just funneling their shit into the channel and the one group that can stop it will not. Hell, look no further than the handheld market to see what kind of quality control Nintendo puts on developers. They're just happy for the games, they could give a shit if they're good or not.

And, incidently... follow the magic link...
http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/sheppyboy2000/game%20collection/

That's my collection from a couple months ago. Notice the consoles? Notice the variety? Notice how, when I said I had a vested interest in seeing every console succeed, I meant it?

Correction to above...

Nintendo Fanboys are pathetic.

Nintendo fans cannot be bashed because... well, hell, just look at my collection. Fanboys, however...

And let's just say I see a weakening in your ranks. Once upon a time, these same arguements would be countered with a debate. Nowadays... it's all sales and mimmicking brochures as their side of the arguement.

#29, that's pretty funny. Phil seems desperate while Reggie jokes about people getting shot forgetting the hold your wee for a Wii death.

#41
The point wasn't capabilities vs promises (as we've seen MotorStorm has heavily improved since the target render/gameplay comparison), but that ALL companies lied, no matter when it happened. So you can't single out Sony on this.

#38
The PSN demo is a huge improvement over the kiosk, and the actual game is a massive improvement over the Japanese import, which is in turn a massive improvement over the PSN demo.

I'm seeing a bit less hating for all consoles, and none of them deserve any hatred they get (the companies, sure), which is good.

"Wow, once upon a time, Nintendo fans weren't quite so pathetic."

Yeah, because once upon a time you used to be a Nintendo fan, right? :p

Listen, both companies took risks. One succeeded, one didn't. Care to tell me who got the better end of their risks?

Nintendo put their reputation on the line by designing the console the way it is, the name itself (Wii), and they succeeded with getting a lot of customers, and even now they are manufacturing at capacity because people STILL can't get a Wii despite having at least TWICE more supply at launch than either competitor.

Sony put their console at risk by introducing it with a high price. You can argue all the technology merits of it but in the end, money talks.

If you want people to give PS3 more time, I think it would be best if you give the Wii more time. I'm giving the PS3 more time, but as a videogame console, its design is more excessive than excellent. There's a reason they hire engineers to design consumer goods. Making a huge piece of technology that is unaffordable to its native market is not one of them.

@53

"blah blah blah,


I hate the wii."

You guys are really fighting for nothing. Here is the absolute, objective truth.

1. the 360 is enjoying a one year lead-- It has managed to shake off the early bad mojo and it's strong now.

2. The Wii has interesting features and is currently especially great as a second console. Suffers from a limited library. A lot of people agree they would have paid an extra 100$ to have Next-Gen graphics though.

3. The PS3 badly suffers from a limited library, bad press, and brings very little innovation to the table which makes it difficult for most to justify the high price tag.

The console war is just beginning. Things will change of course. I feel there's very little else to say that doesn't feel impregnated with subjective bias (read: fanboyism, since you fellas are so fond of the word)

@ sheppy

You're funny.

Honestly, almost every time I read a post by a member of the SDF, I almost feel like I'm reading a thread at FreeRepublic.com. The deranged reaction to any news that can be seen as negative for Sony is just like what rightwing snakes have been whining about and calling bias for over 25 years.

HEADLINE:
"Sony Announced Limited Backwards Compatibility For Future PS3 Models"

SDF Member: "YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT, LIBS!
...
Oh, no, wait, I mean- THIS WAS SONY'S PLAN ALL ALONG!!!!!11!!"


I've said it before and I'll say it again – I hope Sony is closed down and out of business by the end of the decade. With their ass backward, anti-consumer business practices, they damn well deserve it.

Anyway, I think it's a cheap shot to take about that moron who got shot in the PS3 line. Everything I read about that guy suggested he was...less than reputable.
But what the hey! It riles up the SDF! And it makes sense, since we all know that everyone who owns a Playstation system is just a pathetic, wannabe gangsta wigga anyway.
"DON'T LOOK AT MY SMALL PENIS! LOOK AT MY GUNS, RAP ALBUMS I OWN AND MY PS3! GRAND THEFT AUTO, YO!!!"

I actually have been playing my Wii more than my 360 as of the past few weeks. Maybe that's because I lack HD, but I really enjoy just turning on Wii Sports and goofing around for forty-five minutes or so. Whoever it was that said the Wii games are all "gimmicky" is completely right. However, what isn't taken into account is that the DS was EXACTLY the same way until developers started figuring out creative ways to use the touch screen/system's capabilities. Kirby's Canvas Curse (which should be added to the list of amazing DS titles) is what convinced me to go buy the system. Then came Meteos and Bomberman, which were both a blast to play (and still are).

Add those games, as well as Elite Beat Agents, Megaman ZX, and Children of Mana to the list. I'd also say Brain Age, but I got my score to Age 20 within a couple of days and use it now exclusively for the Sudoku puzzles.

I think the Wii will continue to have gimmicky third party support until a few killer apps get released for it at some point toward the end of this year (if not a little after). In the meantime, the "ports" (you all say it like it's a dirty word) like Super Paper Mario and such, as well as the gimmicky games, are keeping me relatively involved with the system.

I'm not sure what the PS3's deal is, exactly. I'm willing to forgive the game quality, because, as has been stated, it's in the beginning of its life cycle. The equivalent would be expecting a newborn to spout Chaucer right out of the womb. It's just not possible. The developers I know are not happy with the system, but I'm sure all of that is subject to change as they become more familiar with it. I'm looking forward to playing the new Final Fantasies and Metal Gears on my friend's PS3 (as well as a couple other titles like White Knight or whatever it's called), but I think Sony is going to need to establish new franchises (just as MS is doing with Gears of War) to make the system really sell. The Blu-ray is excellent, but seriously not enough for me to fork out over half a grand.

What worries me is I'm afraid the PS3 is going the way of the PSP reputation-wise and there's not a ton that Sony is doing to stop that from happening. In the face of criticism and adversity, Sony seems to be completely out of touch. It's like when the DS started to really gain momentum. Did Sony respond? Not really. Did UMDs sell the PSP? Nope, and as a result stores are stuck with a bunch of PSP movies they can't sell. "It plays movies" is not as compelling as "It has great games," just like "It has Internet capabilities" isn't as compelling as "It has great games." At least not for a video game machine.

I really loved the PS2 library and hope Sony gets it together to pull something off with the PS3. They just seem so full of themselves at this point, bloated with self-assuredness brought on by apparent group-think.

Sheppy: Only a lame fanboy would reply in the same article 5 different times and even going as far as point for point arguing with a disappointed PS3 person who took the system back. You say you own all consoles but you seem like the biggest Sony fanboy here.

This article isn't even about the 360 yet it's being brought up in these comments. This is a sissy fight between Wiitaards and PS3 fanboys, leave the 360 out of it. I just have to laugh because the system(360) is kick ass, and it's kicking ass this gen and you all know it and that's why many are so defensive and basically eating their own.. hahaha!

Cap, I hear you but here lies the problem.

PS3 has such a huge negative light on it right now, there is ultimately no solution. Let's put it this way.

If Sony talks about the current problems and what they plan for the future (As Phil Harrison has), everyone and there brother is right there bashing him because he feels, right now, that PS3 is a success. The console is selling, period. If they were down in the numbers where only about 5K a week are sold worldwide, then it's time to concern themselves but sales are definately steady and his attitude is "We are forging ahead" and people have a problem with this. Phil Harrison quotes are pretty much solid things but unless Phil comes out and says "har har har... PS3 is teh PHAILZ," most of the little idiots out there will not be happy. Of course having someone like Jack Tretton lurking about doesn't help the situation either. So Sony cannot talk to people to try and reassure peoples faith in PS3 as a platform without people jumping Sonys ass. That solution is down.

Games. As someone said earlier, for how old PS3 is, having Motorstorm is quite an accomplishment, even without VF5. But truth be told, Sony is in a position where they either need to put out or shut up. Sadly, too much is rolling on some of these games so I can see how Sony is holding em back, making sure everything is looking and playing fine (thus why Warhawk has gone underground again) rather than release another Genji (which looked damn fine but played about as well as Night Trap). So as critics are demanding Gears Of War from PS3, PS3 is still baking their gears of war. If they push it out the door just to have it, it could do more damage than fix. Sonys solution on the games front is farqed.

Sonys position is severely comprimised and all they really can do is take their licks, work up their networks, and chug away on their games. Hopefully, by christmas, Sony will be in a position to start saying "See? We told you" but until then, it's such an uphill battle I don't really know what they could do.

How anticlimatic. I saw this post this morning and expected it to be around AT LEAST 150 comments by midnight.


Still, arguing about video game companies that could give a shit less about you over the internet...shit looks tiring. Sheppy, you're a trooper.

I'm off to bed.


-Kimosabae

Sheppy,

For the record, I completely agree with you. I'm not sure what else, short of admitting failure to meet consumer expectations, would appease the snarling masses represented here. I'm neither disappointed nor upset by Sony (nor do I think they are going to be out of business or any of that other crazy nonsense) so far as the actual system is concerned. It's more like I'm completely and utterly confused by Sony's treatment of its consumers, as well as its apparent lack of objective vision. It seems to me that Sony, at least ever since the PS3 was first announced, has been acting like the consumers are LUCKY to have Sony around to make the glorious PS3 (as opposed to Sony being grateful for the consumers). I'm not sure that point can be disputed. Personally, at this point I'd be happy if they even dialed down their own rhetoric a little bit.

Like you said, the games will undoubtedly come for the PS3 eventually. But if Sony cries wolf enough times about how amazing things are and how each game is a groundbreaking godsend, some people may actually miss out on the games that are worthwhile, or even miss out on the system altogether.

I hate to bring up Nintendo, because that seems to be a source of much conflict in this thread, but I've definitely heard them admit past mistakes. Even Miyamoto himself admitted that Wind Waker was "boring," and that he didn't want to make the same mistakes ever again with a Zelda game (I didn't think it was boring, but it was tedious at certain points). Nintendo has also criticized itself for botching release dates (though that has done little to fix the problem, at least they admit it's a problem). That's more than I've ever heard from Sony about anything.

With consumers becoming increasingly savvy, it seems that the stiff-upper-lip routine is getting fewer companies very far (just look at the massive response jetBlue got for admitting it messed up and was going to fix the problems immediately). I would greatly appreciate it if a Sony exec. went on record saying, "We're working tirelessly to get great PS3 games into the hands of gamers," as opposed to "Resistance Fall of Man is the single greatest FPS to ever grace a console." Their focus is all wrong.

At this point for me anti-PS3 news and comments are all tongue-in-cheek. Sony's continued foul-ups
are a continual source of amusement. Why? Because they're so nonsensical and inane.

I don't own a PS3 because it's too expensive and there are no games out I want for it, nor will there be in the near future.

I'm too busy enjoying the hell out of my Wii and DS, both of which I bought at launch, to care about this anti-Sony nonsense.

Just from 20+ years of observation I can say that we are currently experiencing a very good time for gaming with Nintendo's resurgence. The last generation was relatively lackluster as far as offering new gameplay experiences to the fold. PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox were great. I have them all. But the DS stylus has encouraged more innovative games onto the DS, and some not even necessarily having any stylus play at all. The Wii controller has already started the Wii along the same path. Hopefully it parallels the DS.

I seriously dont get the people who want sony to close ENTIRELY. Its just dumb, As if Microsoft is somehow angelic, or Nintendo has an immaculate past. I personally dont want any of the three to close shop, because the industry needs all three. The serve different niches in the market.

I own a PSP and not a DS, but that doesnt mean I want the DS to fail and for nintendo to go out of business. Its just stupid to want the company you dont own a product from to fail, because it would be damaging to the industry. If you gave a damn about the industry you would see that by one failing, the money many 3rd party developers put in the projects for it take significant losses. That in turn hurts the system you do support.

If your Wii is collecting dust, I would be more than happy to buy it off of you.

Anyways the DS obviously has better games. Why is it selling so freaking well?

I'd marry my Wii if I could. Just thought I should let this thread know.

See, here's the thing. Phil Harrison has admitted the problems so far. I've seen interviews where he's made several statements in regards to where they are falling behind versus where they are gaining ground. But like the Doug Lowenstein "farewell and fuck off" speech, only the ass end is getting coverage. Phil Harrison has made comments on the following...

sloppy online system- They are working to improve that and you'll see those results in the future. He's even admitted this wasn't what he or the consumers were expecting.

high price- Well, this one is kinda hard to fix. Yes, BluRay is a significant addition to the cost but people tend to forget those 2.5" drives aren't exactly cheap either. Nor are the Cell or RSX chips. Ram isn't cheap either. And hell, have you SEEN the inside of a PS3? This is a classic example of building beyond the curve. There is a high cost to that and that cost is tranfered to the consumer. HOWEVER, Sony has already found ways of cutting that cost and the initial goal of getting into the black could be obtainable as early as April which will give them more breathing room. Would be nice to see a bundle but it's doubtful that will happen.

Early supply problems- Not only did Sony acknowledge this issue, but they frickin airlifted consoles all the way until christmas. A console they are selling at a loss, and they are airlifting them just to get them on the shelf. When a company like Nintendo is pulling about $100 profit per console and says "that's an unnecessary cost" but Sony, who's losing their ass on each unit sold but still wants them on shelves, where exactly is Sony farqing up here? Yes, they could have had more available but manufacturing issues arose. I mean, to put this into perspective, I'll give my own story...

EBgames announced suddenly that they would sell the preorders the next day. Despite showing up within an hour of the announcement, I was 7 of 8 preorders. 1-6 were scalpers. Only myself and the guy behind was there because we genuinely wanted the console. Well, launch creeped up and the guys who wanted to game on them got screwed out of our consoles on launch day. Despite my best efforts to get a console, I failed. Launch day came, went home, got some sleep and prepeared to camp for Wii. Well, that Tuesday, as in five days after launch, EB had gotten their second shipment. As in within five days, the GS/EB distribution network got their consoles and got them to stores. This, to me, was frickin incredible. I had never heard of a second shipment that fast in any console launch.

Most of the other complaints, Sonys hands are pretty much tied. I expect something from Phil at GDC (but people expecting E3 style presentations are in for disappointment) but that should be in regards to a user created gaming age (at least, that's my prediction).

Hahaha! Look @ ol' Shep! Look at his collection. This just proves one thing, you're the biggest dork in here! Congrats! Yay! *claps hands* Maybe you should go and play w/ your games instead of posting long winded crap in forums. Maybe you'll enjoy your Nintendo games more. Dumbass...

I'm confused, Sheppy, the Wii units were shipping weekly nearly the whole time since its launch (they still are shipping weekly if the stores in Baton Rouge are to be believed). There were FAR fewer consoles than promised by Sony (less than 500,000 as I recall by the end of '06?). Nintendo with their "$100 profit" (again, you say this like it's a bad thing) shipped more consoles in the same amount of time. So I'm confused about that point.

I'll go ahead and concede that the negative press is getting more airtime than the positive press, but that could also be because the positive press is fewer and further between for a company that gives the middle finger to its customers on a nearly-weekly basis.

I should take some pix of my collection, but it's basically 300 NES cartridges and not much else. Like 20 SNES games and 10 N64 games. The NES cart towers are beautiful though.

@ #62

By summer the Wii will have cut the 360's year lead in half, so don't get too cosy.

I have both, Wii and 360, and I have been pleased with both. My 360 still works mainly because it only gets played once in a while (most of the good shit is on my PC, which I prefer). The Wii has already been played more but that has alot to do with Zelda. However, I love it and all it's potential.

Wii and PS3 will end up just like the DS and PSP, it's already started to and we are only four months in! And, relardless of what anyone wants to say about Nintendo's performance in the last two generations, the Big N has been the most profitable in both hardware and software. If that makes them suck then here is to many more years of Nintendo suckage!

Also, Sheppy is such a f*cktard it's hilarious!

I applaud Phil Harrison's answers, he's a much better rep. fro Sony than Ken Kuturagi ever was. Seems that the roles have changed, Reggie has become the pompus arrogant ass of the industry. Enjoy the lead, patience, Sony will outsell again and Nintendo will be owned 3 generations in a row.

This is why Peter Moore is the "best" of the three mouthpieces right now. He's able to take light jabs at the competition - while also praising it when praise is due - and not come out looking like a retard.

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