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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 9:08AM (Unverified) said

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" And for a high profile, predominantly multiplayer shooter, that could spell trouble for Microsoft and FASA Studios."

I doubt it. If the game actually turns out to be any good; 360 and PC are the platforms with the type of demographic that will support it.



-Kimosabae
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 9:38AM The1 said

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The game is actually fun ONCE you get the controls and powers under your belt. The game also requires a lot of team work which is not the case in many games that require such. My only issue is that those images above must be from a newer build than what I am playing on the X360; because the graphics are crisper.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 10:32AM jaysins said

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I think this is a nice change. There is so much talk about making games easier for the casual gamer or person to pick up some of us that love games that are hard to master feel left out. I really enjoy a good hard game. Hopefully this will translate into a game that really does require more skill, thought and teamwork than a lot of other shooters because imo that sounds like fun. As long as it's not it is enjoyable to learn I'm down for this game and can't wait for it's release.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 10:48AM (Unverified) said

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"My only issue is that those images above must be from a newer build than what I am playing on the X360; because the graphics are crisper."
Or maybe those images are from the PC version. :P
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 11:12AM (Unverified) said

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What I want to know is since they're not discriminating between PC and 360 users, you'll obviously be able to see a PC person cos they can type? Or will the PC only be mic only (which i doubt)?
And can PC users hear the 360 users who are talking in their mic?
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 11:24AM aforty said

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Party system FTW
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 11:40AM (Unverified) said

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do pc users have to pay for xbox live? and do they have friends lists with users from xbox live?
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 12:24PM Spiza said

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Sounds less like an FPS and more like an RTS to me.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 12:42PM (Unverified) said

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This sounds something like what I expected Planetside to play like, though since I never played it I couldn't tell you one way or another. I can say that as I have neither a PC capable of running that pretty nor an Xbox 360, I shan't be participating in that lovefest, no matter how pretty I think it is.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 2:00PM (Unverified) said

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The problem for Microsoft is that the PC version of the game seems better in every possible way.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 1:28PM (Unverified) said

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let's face it-- if Shadowrun were that easy, pick-up game, you'd complain that X360 has yet another boring FPS. At least this game is trying to change things up.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 1:45PM (Unverified) said

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"Or maybe those images are from the PC version. :P"

I know that was a "joke" to some extent, but the PC may be able to produce a higher resolution at $2000+ dollars, but for $400, the 360 looks great. The Beta version The1 is talking about still didn't have all the "bells and whistles". I know, because I am also one of them. FASA has never denied the fact they put gameplay ahead of graphics. It won't match Crysis, or Gears of War for that matter, but the gameplay rocks!And can PC users hear the 360 users who are talking in their mic?

"And can PC users hear the 360 users who are talking
in their mic?"

As far as I know, the PC users will be able to hear any user who uses a mic. It's possible to play without talking, but that does up the difficulty of coordinating attacks, defenses, and counterattacks of course.

"Sounds less like an FPS and more like an RTS to me."

Definitely a FPS (with some RPG elements mixed in).

"do pc users have to pay for xbox live? and do they have friends lists with users from xbox live?"

I believe it will have two levels similar to Xbox live's Gold and Silver...but don't know the details. Bungie for instance said you will be able to play Halo 2 MP live with others for free, but the "paid" version adds more services. Also, it will be completely integrated into Xbox Live. Meaning, you will have friends lists tha tie into Xbox live and you will be able to send voice and text messages to players on the other platform and see what they are doing at the time (game playing, if they are joinable like in Shadowrun, watching a movie, in the dashboard, etc.)


I really wish I could just let out all my feeling and relate some of my experiences from the Beta...but I'm restricted by the NDA. You will all find out soon enough though. I can't wait for the release of the complete game...I can finally stop being destroyed by the clearly domintate Beta testers. (Goku 2057 and EnragedGnome...if you see these gamertags on the other team...run away!)






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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 2:00PM Fernando Rocker said

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Im sick of "realistic" graphics... I enjoy more a game that looks like Viewtiful Joe... very colorful, with a lot of effects.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 2:24PM (Unverified) said

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Why are they working on this when they should be doing a new Crimson Skies.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 3:10PM (Unverified) said

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While this is completely off-topic, but I just have to reply to this:
"I know that was a "joke" to some extent, but the PC may be able to produce a higher resolution at $2000+ dollars, but for $400, the 360 looks great."
That wasn't really meant as a joke.
If you are buying a *brand-new* gaming PC, $1200 is enough to outperform the X360. If you are upgrading your old rig, it costs less. And, yes, I am talking here from my personal experience.
Cost-efficiency should NOT the only factor for a real gamer when choosing his gaming platform of preference. And the "OMG PC GAMING IS SOOOO EXPENSIVE" is just a myth.
Read through this before making such claims: http://game-drone.blogspot.com/2007/02/pc-gaming-expensive.html
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 3:29PM (Unverified) said

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Hey guys. About Xbox Live on the PC..

PC players can play online with just a free silver account. Voice chat, however, is a Gold feature. It's sort of a compromise between Live itself and what PC users are used to.

#14 - Mitch was on the 1UP podcast this week and Crimson Skies came up a lot. FASA definitely hasn't forgotten about it :)
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 3:33PM oboreruhito said

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"they should be doing a new Crimson Skies"

or a new MechWarrior/MechAssault, or a Shadowrun RPG.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 3:40PM (Unverified) said

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Autocrawler,

That link compares the PC to the PS3 -- which is already complained about as being too expensive. It also forgets to mention the fact that to play PC games, you have to dink with video drivers, Windows OS, spyware and all that junk that programs install to run in the background. You have to be pretty savvy with a PC to manage all that. A console is as close to "plug and play" as you can get. Put the disk in and go. Not so on a PC.

Consoles may be going up in price and PCs going down, but consoles are still way easier to manage than a PC. That's worth a lot to me.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 3:52PM (Unverified) said

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Auto,
Why can't you provide links for the $1200 gaming pc's that will outperform the X360?

It better outperform it by a lot, because we are talking 3X the cost of a XB360, and 2X the cost of a PS3.

And will a $1200 gaming pc be able to play new games 2 years from now, in anything higher than 640x480?

And as far as upgrading for less, that is true, depending on how much upgrading we are talking.

A new processor and video card will EASILY set you back $400 alone.
And lets hope you don't need a new motherboard, or more memory, because that will set you back another $250. And lets hope you have a good power supply for that new video card, or else that is another $75.
And you better have a big harddrive, or else thats another $100.
And you are going to want to upgrade to Vista, which atleast another $200.
How much are we at now?
$1025. More than 2.5x the cost of a 360, and almost 2x a PS3.

And I was really low-balling it with $400 for a video card and processor. If you want that fancy dual core processor, and sli video cars, be prepared to spend a lot more
I was also low-balling it with $250 for a new motherboard and memory.

I know $2000 is somewhat high, but it really isnt if you want a good gaming pc.

A $1200 gaming pc MAY marginally outperform the X360 or ps3.
But it wont outperform them by 2-3x.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 4:02PM (Unverified) said

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"A console is as close to "plug and play" as you can get. Put the disk in and go. Not so on a PC."
Yes, because updating video drivers once a year is such a horrible chore!
Managing spyware is not a problem either: because unless you click on every "hay you are the millionth visitor click here to claim the prize" ad you encounter, it's nigh impossible to get enough of it to clog your PC that much.
And personally, I've had *more* problems with my X360 than with my current PC: first, it went off to repair because I got the "red ring" on the day I bought it(unlucky me), then I found out that it had some weird incompatibility with my 7.1 speaker system...
In the end, I had to connect it through my living room PC. Then I started getting "Disc can't be read" errors. Plug and play? Convenience? What the hell, seriously.
The only thing I can thank my Xbox for is that it taught me how wonderful life is when you are forced to swap discs every time you want to play another full-fledged game.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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Lord Chako though all those numbers can be brought down if you know what you're doing, heck my old gaming rig i use now can outperform ALL my consoles and its at least 2 years old. and every game i play thats multiplat (fear, oblivion, etc) look better on it. and i'm running a Geforce 7900.

But if you want the best of the best of the best, well then yeah its gonna cost you, but the same could be said for any kind of consumers electronics. Plus the fact that ya know... i dont just use my PC for games either. So the whole price ratio thing goes out the window at that point too.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 4:10PM (Unverified) said

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"And will a $1200 gaming pc be able to play new games 2 years from now, in anything higher than 640x480?"
Yes, it will. Easily.

"And as far as upgrading for less, that is true, depending on how much upgrading we are talking."
I could spend $450 on a 8800GTS, plug it into a year old PC, and it'd easily outperform the X360.
In fact, Oblivion looks much better even on an old X1900 than it does on the X360.

"But it wont outperform them by 2-3x."
Factors are an amusing, if incorrect, way to calculate system performance. You don't seem to be really experienced with PC hardware.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 4:23PM (Unverified) said

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That's odd. I've never had a problem with my Xbox 360. Sounds like you got a dud. I've had several PC parts flake out on me too, but I had to spend a bunch of time troubleshooting the problem and fixing it myself, since I can't send my own custom-built PC (it's cheaper to build it yourself, remember!) back to the store.

No disk swapping? You use that as a bonus of PC gaming? You nave to hack most PC games to do that. I'd rather switch disks than screw with that! Besides, I usually only play one game at a time.

Consoles are still 100X easier.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 4:29PM (Unverified) said

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"No disk swapping? You use that as a bonus of PC gaming? You nave to hack most PC games to do that."
Umm, no, not really. You don't need "hacking" there.
All games you get via digital distribution(here's another plus of PC gaming btw :P) obviously don't need any discs, most purely multiplayer games are the same.
Well, and I keep most of my older physical purchases as ISOs on my HDD.
"Consoles are still 100X easier."
While it is likely to be true, it's still more like 2X :)
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 5:00PM jyjjy said

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I built myself a new computer for $550 at the beginning of last year. I have yet to find a game I can't play on it at an acceptable level of quality. I can see that it will be a problem in the not too distant future however. At that point I'll spend $150ish for a video card twice as good as what I have now.
The theory that PC gaming is unreasonably expensive compared to consoles is just flat out wrong. Never mind all of the utility you get from a PC outside of gaming.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 5:04PM sand0789 said

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AutoC,

Most decent PC games need to be hacked to store them and do "disc free" swapping. Most decent PC games are not legally provided for download.

Anyways,
Why has this turned into a PC/360 debate? They each have their merits and it is pointless arguing at this point. This should be about Shadowrun.

I for one am interested in this game. It may turn out to be a dud. But, it seems to be much, much different from your standard FPS. If it turns out how the makers of it are shooting for, it could be awesome.

I also like how the matchmaking system is sounding.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 5:10PM (Unverified) said

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I'm as offended by this game as I am by the new Wing Commander. I just wish they'd change the name. This doesn't look like Shadowrun. It looks like it'll be a pretty fun game, but the name is killing me.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 5:21PM sand0789 said

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If you don't like exactly what I like you must be a total ignorant dumbass, and I'll tell you why!!! Waaaaa...Loud Noises!!!

Console/PC elitists in a nutshell. I like my 360. I like playing FPS games on controllers more than kb/m. Don't see PC gaming as worth it to me, other than the little free flash games I trial once in a while. But I understand that many people prefer PC gaming and prefer their kb/m for fps games and don't think there is anything wrong with them for it. I can try to explain why I prefer something but certainly don't think it is "better". Just better for me.

You guys do understand by now that people are different from one another, right?

Now let's get some Shadowrun comments damnit!
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 6:08PM (Unverified) said

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"Most decent PC games are not legally provided for download."
What. the. hell. are you talking about?!
Ever heard of Steam, Direct2Drive, EA Link, Gamer's Gate?
If not, try googling those. Seriously.
Those all are digital distribution services that allow you to buy and download games on spot without any need for physical media. In fact, nearly ALL new releases eventually make their way to DD.
It just seems that you are totally clueless.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 8:52PM Migz7 said

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What I want to know is what are they doing to the play mechanics so that 360 gamers aren't owned by PC gamers? Yes people, kb/ms is better than a game controller for FPS games.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 9:35PM (Unverified) said

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"I could spend $450 on a 8800GTS, plug it into a year old PC, and it'd easily outperform the X360.
In fact, Oblivion looks much better even on an old X1900 than it does on the X360.


Is this the same $1200 gaming pc that you never provided a link to? If so, that puts us up to $1650, in one years time.

"You don't seem to be really experienced with PC hardware."

Wow, you can tell that, just from one post?
Just because I disagree with you about the cost of a cheap gaming pc, makes me some kind of computer hardware moron? Bravo, you sir, are a pc hardware genius. And you also are a master of judging people of which you know little about.
Just because I don't prefer pc gaming to console gaming, DOESN'T mean i am not familiar with computer hardware.
I suppose the HTPC sitting in my living room, built itself.

Why is it only pompous assholes are the ones who act like they know everything about computers, and everyone else is a moron? Does it give you some kind of personal accomplishment in life, being a pc gamer over a console gamer?
I find that most pc gamers are self-righteous pricks, who shit on anyone who doesn't prefer pc gaming over consoles.
You don't seem to be really experienced in accepting other people's opinions.

Good Day.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 10:06PM (Unverified) said

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This game sounds like a straight Counter-Strike Warcraft mod descendant. Which is a good thing. I enjoy good game play with a rpg twist to it.

As for the PC vs Console 360 discussion its pretty moot. Its like comparing oranges to grapefruit. They are similar and yet different. Yeah PC can do better graphics but at a higher cost. Consoles are cheap for what they offer, and if they allowed keyboard/mouse for FPS games I would probably buy a console.(Would have to be customizable too).

Price wise consoles right now blow away the PC for GENERAL gaming. Some games don't make the cross platform well, come better on console, and some better on PC.

I do see the two eventually joining as developers will eventually choose the largest profit margin platform.

Ah who knows I could be wrong....
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 5:30AM (Unverified) said

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Because some people can't be bothered to spend 2 minutes on the internet....

Dell XPS 410 - Basic Configuration

Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6300 (2MB L2 Cache,1.86GHz,1066 FSB)
256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
19 inch E197FP Analog Flat Panel
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
1Yr Ltd Warranty

Price: $999.

If you think you need over $1500 to get a decent PC gaming rig, then you are ignorant of current PC hardware prices, sorry.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2007 10:52PM (Unverified) said

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"Even if you consider yourself a sponge for tactical knowledge, a learning curve this high won't be conquered in your first hour of play. And for a high profile, predominantly multiplayer shooter, that could spell trouble for Microsoft and FASA Studios."

Whaaaa? How do you figure that? depth and complexity is what gives most games longevity. The fact that there is so much to discover is what makes such games addictive. The glaring fact is that games like Quake and old school UT are no longer sufficient to hold peoples attention. 5 years ago there were thousands playing Quake 3 online, go check out Q3 and Q4 numbers and you'll be lucky to find more than a couple hundred. Games like Halo 2 favor quick reflexes which puts many at a disadvantage. Something like SR could get average people playing something that at one time was the sole arena for hardcore gamers.

BTW, as far as the PC vs Console argument.....what year are you people living in? Play what you like and relax, no one cares anymore.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 2:19AM (Unverified) said

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The whole 360 vs. pc thing could actually be settled if we could run 3dmark 06 on a 360, so I guess we will never know.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 2:23AM Keithustus said

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Good, finally an FPS to put the stale Wolfenstein/Doom/Quake/Unreal/Fear/Gears-of-War games in their place. When was the last time you really enjoyed an FPS for more than because it looked pretty? (Gears: FPS with camera set back a few feet). If Shadowrun is really as varied as this preview says, I will enjoy it as much as I did with Aliens Online about ten years ago. Any old AO players here know what I'm talking about?
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 5:18AM (Unverified) said

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I'm still wishing it was a decent RPG or tactical game like it should be.. but its definately improved over the early previews. I like the trolls in particular.

The problem with rock/paper/scissor powers in a "choose your powers" situation is that you can sometimes find that you come up against some one with a power you just can't defend against.

This used to happen with the original Jedi Knight multiplayer.. you either had o pick a standard lot of "counter everything " powers which was kinda dul.. or risk that you'd run into someone who could smack you around when there was little you could do to defend. Actually this seems a little similar to JK with its balance of weapons, classes and powers.

I kinda like the factthey went for more of a "stop and shoot" tactical shooter. I don't see why sci-fi/fantasy games ALL have to be halo-style blasters.

I've thought for years that shadowrun would be a great fit for a Ranbow 6 style game.. choose your teacm (and pay them of course), choose your job and equipment, hack th building's computers to find the targets, disable defenses and plan missions, then launch your 'run. R6 style instant death.. unless you have subdermal armour of course... ;-)

Shame they didn't go that far (and include a single player story), but this is at least SLIGHTLY better than expected.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 5:30AM (Unverified) said

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I shouldn't be responding to this, but I will:
"Just because I don't prefer pc gaming to console gaming, DOESN'T mean i am not familiar with computer hardware."
Quoted from your previous post:
"If you want that fancy dual core processor, and sli video cars, be prepared to spend a lot more"
Why do you seem unexperienced?
Because SLI gives either ~10% FPS boost, or less FPS-demanding/higher factor AA, and it is amazingly inefficient. So why the hell are you using SLI as an example here along with the mention of dual-core processors, that actually DO matter more and are much more cost-efficient?
You may have mentioned the Ageia PPU and the Killer NIC too, you know, to bring the total cost even higher.
Your entire post was riddled with strange statements like that one.
"You don't seem to be really experienced in accepting other people's opinions."
Yes, true, because some opinions are not based on hard cold facts, and thus simply are wrong.

"Is this the same $1200 gaming pc that you never provided a link to? If so, that puts us up to $1650, in one years time. "
No, I was talking about a random old PC. The one mentioned in the article does outperform the X360 as it is.

Anyway, continuing this discussion with you is *totally* pointless.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 8:01AM (Unverified) said

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This game is a total waste of the ShadowRun name. CounterStrike with Powers is about as tactical as my left foot.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 8:19AM Keithustus said

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I would buy a Genesis just for its Shadowrun if I didn't have a thousand games I need to play.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 10:28AM sand0789 said

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AutoC,

You basically called me clueless for saying most good PC games are not available for free download. Then you "prove" it by giving an example as if I don't know about Valve and EA. Man, you just can't say anything on these posts without some arrogant jackass making a logically empty statement to debunk it. You may be right, but you backed it in a meaningless way. I should have said many instead of most, I guess.

Okay, I'll do the same thing to you.

Jeez, haven't you ever heard of Blizzard or Epic. You just sound so clueless.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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"You basically called me clueless for saying most good PC games are not available for *free download*."
Oh, that is even MORE amazing.
Now, *please*, point out where did I say the word "free" in any of my previous posts.
Again, what I said is that you can *buy* full games on the net and download them on the spot without any need for physical media.
"Jeez, haven't you ever heard of Blizzard or Epic. You just sound so clueless."
Do either of those have their own digital distribution stores? No. Case closed.

What the hell are we arguing about?
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Posted: Feb 26th 2007 2:38PM (Unverified) said

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Is no one else insulted by the game's complete and utter disregard for the original Shadowrun source material? Shadowrun is one of the best pen and paper RPGs and they have turned it in to another generic FPS. Am I the only one who's going to call bullshit on this?
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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Does everything always have to end up console vs pc?
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