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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 9:02AM (Unverified) said

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We need more sex and violence in games.

Realism = Fun
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 10:44AM (Unverified) said

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There needs to be more sexy games. If people complain just sell them in porn stores or on the internet. Bring Sexy Beach to the Xbox 360!
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 10:14AM (Unverified) said

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It's about time that we allow sex (a natural part of life and the stories we tell) to be included in games without immediately stigmatizing the game in question. Haven't we progressed?

I look forward to the day when relationships in games are not mere shadows of the complex and wonderful situations in real life -- where sex, love, ideas, needs, wants, words, and actions can all collide to make a dynamic and engrossing life.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 11:17AM (Unverified) said

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Men have been talking about sex in video games for years. If she was a man she wouldn't get nearly as much press, and a college wouldn't let a "pervert" like that hold a professorship. Plus, "Playboy: The Mansion" sucked.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 11:36AM (Unverified) said

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Will, your basically saying that this women, despite her education and intelligence, is only getting this amount of press because she's a woman? Do you live in the 50s? I hope you did read the entire article, because these are important topics and whether this comes from a male or female really doesn't matter. Anyways, men have been talking about sex in video games forever, but they basically want porn incorporated into the game (like that terrible Guy Game). So your point is really moot. And on top of that you take a potshot at her game? You're really lame and need to get with the times.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 11:42AM hvnlysoldr said

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Ever since Custer's Revenge adult industries have tried to inject sex into video games. It won't become a major bloc. Look at how well family friendly games have kept Nintendo in the business since its inception. It's fine to add truly mature story and content to games but it's similar to modern art. A toilet is supposed to inspire in me that life is crap? Forcing a meaning or content won't cut it. How many people watching porn look at the story? They fast forward to the juicy parts. A sex game would be the same. A cyber chat could be accomplished like Second Life and isn't technically a game. The hentai games in Japan would be closest to sex games in America but they are all stylized. They feel like interactive adventures with surreal sex goals. Most new ones have skipping and no-hand modes, and extensive "memories" of each event or the individual scenes. /sarcasm/So much progress, Huh!/end sarcasm/
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 12:58PM (Unverified) said

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Ok, so let's say they do make sex in games pornographic. Not to sound like a pervert, but so? How come in this country to depict war is acceptable, but to show love is sinful? Seriously, if you ever work in a game store, and tell parents about an M rated game, they don't really care about the violence. But if there is sexuality they might not buy it. Why is murder rated M, but a boobie is rated AO?

I swear this hypocrisy is prevalant throughout American culture. Same thing with R rated films to AO rated films. President goes to war gets re-elected, president gets a blowjob and gets impeached. Convicted sex offenders must tell their community they are living in the neighborhood, released murders don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that molestation or rape isn't horrible, but violence is still considered more inapporpriate than sex.

It's not like that in the rest of the world. In Europe, there aren't as many violent movies, but they show nudity in commercials. I know, showing a nipple in front of children who grew up sucking on one. It's horrible.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 1:11PM (Unverified) said

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"but violence is still considered more inapporpriate than sex." Excuse me, I meant the opposite. That was the whole point of my post.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 2:15PM (Unverified) said

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They had a chapter preview for this book on gamasutra a while ago and it looked engrossing. However, once I found the book at a local borders, I was shocked to see it for $50. $25, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. For $50, you best believe it either has to be some high quality printing of some artwork or a tutorial on Maya on something.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 2:17PM hvnlysoldr said

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Sex crimes are seen as worse than violence due to the cultural value of lineage. Lineage is seen as one of the most valuable traits a family can possess in nearly all cultures. Since sex crimes harm lineage it harms the entire tribe. That person is affected, their parents and siblings and future children and their entire house. While violence is usually seen constricted to harming on individual basis. This is why sex is viewed much more harshly than violence in many settings in censorship. It's a value of their family and society.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 4:37PM (Unverified) said

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In response to #5 (ck):
Yes, I am saying that she is only getting all this press because she is a woman talking about sex in games. Of course these issues are important to games and, being so, they have been discussed for deacades. I'm not talking about pornography. It's not new, and it's always controversial, but there have been plenty of instances in games where game designers have put sex into their games to make the experience more well rounded (Fable for example). All I'm saying is that her points of view and statements have been said for years by plenty of people with great game design credentials and they haven't received half the press. I feel that it is because she's a woman that she, above them, is taken seriously. And I still stand by my previous statement, her game as an example of her "insight" or even as an example of good game design, does not stand on it's own two feet.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 6:55PM (Unverified) said

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I don't see the need for sex in games if it's not going to be a pornographic game (like Sexy Beach 3, Artificial Girl 2 etc). What is the point? You could just as easily imply that two characters had sex, why do you need to show it? It doesn't make any sense to me. Is there some other point to sex scenes other than for people to uhh *BEEEP* themselves to it? I like the way some cartoons, such as Evangelion and Gundam Seed (for all of seeds faults) displayed sexual content; You heard it happening, but you didn't see anything explicit. Add in the naughty bits and it would have just been porn, so you can see the problem with that.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 9:12PM (Unverified) said

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Anonymous, this is the point I'm trying to make. Sure you could imply that the characters had sex, but why? I mean can't you imply anything? Couldn't all these violent games imply somebody was killed and not show it? Sure, but then it's not realistic.

"Is there some other point to sex scenes other than for people to uhh *BEEEP* themselves to it?"
Uh, yea. I mean it's only in America where if people are shown having sex it's only for people to jerk off too. What about Titanic, a PG-13 rated film? Sure, it could've implied that she was naked but the point of the scene was too show how free she felt around him.

I mean sex is a natural part of life, and is the basis of life. Why are you bothered by it being seen but not heard?
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Posted: Feb 27th 2007 10:10PM (Unverified) said

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It's not me that is bothered, it's the government that won't allow a game with nudity to be sold at retail stores (topless women are sometimes let through, though I don't know why the double standard) so you definatly can't show the sex (Hot Coffee ring a bell?) And believe me, it's not just Americans wanking it, it's most men in most countries on the earth.
Showing it as opposed to hinting about it, or implying that it happened, is the only way to get a game on store shelves in the United States. I really don't think adding a blur (like in Japanese games) would fly in the United States, especially not with an election year coming up, and with Video Games being a hot button issue right now.

If it were up to me, and the government had no say, any attractive characters in a game or movie would eventually be shown doing it. But, alas, it's not
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Posted: Feb 28th 2007 2:47AM (Unverified) said

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Will, Brenda has openly said that Playboy wasn't her best game. In fact, it was only *after* that game that she really started researching sex games. Bear in mind that she also designed Wizardry 8, a game that won multiple game of the year awards, among other award winning games.

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Posted: Feb 28th 2007 4:52PM (Unverified) said

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Will
I don't think that she is trying to get pron scenes implemented into everyday commercial games. What I believe she is saying is that instead of fearing sexual content in games, we should just learn how to handle it responsibly like her examples, God of War, sims, ect.

I mean how stupid would it be to see a Sims character fully clothed in a hot tub or shower.
If the scene is in good taste then there shouldn't be a problem. There are sex scenes in movies all the time and people don't just "UHH *BBEP* off to it" They watch and they see the progression in the story and character growth.

Something like sex can be used maturely to help games reach a new way of expressing story or game play. I think some games take advantage of it like the guy game, bmx xxx, ect. However that is not what Brenda was defending at all. So Will's comment about her being a "pervert" is simply ignorant. He should go back a read the article.

Further more, about her being a woman with this info and getting press: So what? Sure a man would not get the press, you know why? Cause a general stereotype is that men ARE perverted and only think about sex, so of course no one would take that seriously. The second a women comes along ppl stop and think about it because women hearing this or even men do not feel threatened initially. This goes back to basic psychology.

So if anything Will, those men who have purposed these ideas before her should be thankful she came around.
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Posted: Mar 5th 2007 3:04AM (Unverified) said

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They already have sex in video games.
Check out Virtualhottie2.com or Virtuallyjenna.com.
Those games are probably the most well known 3d sex games out there.
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Posted: Mar 12th 2007 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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I find it hard to imagine what the gameplay will actually be when two characters are "doing" it on-screen. Am I waggling, button-bashing, stroking my click-wheel or what? ;-)

The company I work for created the iBuzz, a sound-activated vibrator which can be plugged into a soundcard so you can enjoy vibrations synched to game music or game sound.

http://sextoysinsider.com/tag/ibuzz/

Teledildonics is a growing field - there'll be more and more devices that let people get stimulated through their computers.

Videogames are escapist and give players the chance to do something - fly a plane, drive a race car, be a marine, go into space - that they would otherwise be impossible for them.

Us gamers aren't so nerdy that we need to add sex to list, are we? ;-)
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