PS3 background downloading already broken?

@Aex

Was that whiny little bitch taking potshots at me?

I don't know, I don't really pay attention to all the technical babble people spout on blogs, one way or another. Mainly, because it doesn't matter if good software comes out.

The 360 has set the bar so high that it is natural for people to be negative about the PS3 OS and lack of features (features that should have been built-in from day one.) We will continue to complain until the PS3 OS is feature-to-feature exact to the 360 dash, which will never happen.

We need to call the spe what they are, self contained vectorized processors. They have tremendous ability to accelerate any algorithm. If a task for background downloading is put into the queue by the PPE the first availible spe will procees it. Or you could assign a SPE an autonomous micro OS where it would be able to execute its own background downloading. The ability of the chip is there. It is up to Sony's devestatingly slow coders to put it to good0 use.

All of the Xbox Live users told you Sony fanbois; SONY's online service will suck until they start charging money. This goes for software (firmware) updates, game servers, finding friends to play with etc....

All you Sony fanbois, keep on defending the broken service and say things like, " Even if it is something good joystiq makes it bad. Get off ms balls." (post #3, thanks mike, you f*cktard).

If my car that I bought was broken and I could not brake and turn at the same time, I would be pissed and everyone would ridicule the company that built such a product. However, if Sony or MS or Nintendo delivers a broken product or fails to deliver on a promise to consumers, all fanbois will defend them to the death. STOP IT! Make the company responsible for their mistakes.

Stop hating on joystiq for pointing out the mistakes these companies are making.

Sidenote: I hate all fanbois equally.

Xbox Live Arcade is broken too.....
Nintendo's friends list is broken too.....

F*cking fix them!!!!!

problem with your solution Nickmali is that Sony would have had to integrate that spec from the beginning. Games would have to be developed with that limitation in mind.

another example of Sony concentrating on getting blu-ray out first, worry about the gaming later.



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@Digi - Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it. Sony's March lineup? It is pretty huge. Why? Because 360 hasn't had a month like that yet and it's been over a year. Oblivion, MotorStorm, Armored Core, F.E.A.R., GRAW 2, Def Jam, Rainbow Six, Virtua Tennis, Indiana Jones, Haze, Coded Arms... plus Tekken 5 and MK II on download...

Compared to what 360 has... it's huge. Remember, we've got God of War 2 too...

Trust me, I'm liking Crackdown. But once MotorStorm drops I'm setting down the 360 controller for a while. Now that Bioshock is multiplatform, there's not much on 360 until Halo 3.

erac, most of those games you just mentioned are coming out at the same time for 360 if not on it already (oblivion, fear, rainbow).

as a 360 owner you didn't have to wait for a month like this because you've been seeing these games come out regularly since march 2005. PS3 is just trying to catch up.

as for the 2 or 3 actual exclusives you did manage to mention, 360 already has seen Lost Planet and Crackdown this year and its still feb.



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sorry, march *2006*. almost a year ago.

GRAW1 and Fight Night 3 were also out then..

Digi, you make good points. PS3 is playing catch up. That's the thing though, they _are_ catching up. Oblivion is the best RPG on 360, and now PS3 has it. GRAW 2, Rainbow 6, and F.E.A.R.... getting caught up on FPS (no GoW sure, but Resistance is comparable if not as good). Lost Planet will come to PS3, and Bioshock is too. Right now 360 has Mass Effect and not too much else exclusive... All the EA stuff is going to be launching simultaneously on both from now on... am I reading it wrong?

I've already got both machines. But to those looking at buying now, it's hard to say once all those games drop on PS3 that 360 is the clear platform of choice. Better for online, no doubt. PS3 is better for movies, and a little more expensive... but you've got Lair, MGS4, Ratchet, and FF on the way, not to mention GT. This fall is going to be pretty interesting. Halo 3 will move a LOT of 360s... but how many of the hardcore Halo players already have a 360? A lot right? Meanwhile PS3 will outsell 360 in Japan and Europe, while catching up here.

As far as I can tell 2007 will be very interesting, and 2008--especially if Universal ditches HD-DVD and hands BluRay the win-- could be very good for PS.

What difference does background downloading make? I have yet to download anything that took over 5 minutes to download, including all the demos and flOw. Is it so hard to wait that long for it to download?

This is hilarious.

When the 360 couldn't do BG DLing Joystiq reported on that too.

But the fanboys jump on Joystiq saying their 'on MS's balls' and great comments like that.

As everyone should know by now, anytime Joystiq reports on something negative, they come out of the woodwork to actually BLAME JOYSTIQ for the report's focus.

Hilarious.

110. Digi, you make good points. PS3 is playing catch up. That's the thing though, they _are_ catching up. Oblivion is the best RPG on 360, and now PS3 has it. GRAW 2, Rainbow 6, and F.E.A.R.... getting caught up on FPS (no GoW sure, but Resistance is comparable if not as good). Lost Planet will come to PS3, and Bioshock is too. Right now 360 has Mass Effect and not too much else exclusive... All the EA stuff is going to be launching simultaneously on both from now on... am I reading it wrong?

I've already got both machines. But to those looking at buying now, it's hard to say once all those games drop on PS3 that 360 is the clear platform of choice. Better for online, no doubt. PS3 is better for movies, and a little more expensive... but you've got Lair, MGS4, Ratchet, and FF on the way, not to mention GT. This fall is going to be pretty interesting. Halo 3 will move a LOT of 360s... but how many of the hardcore Halo players already have a 360? A lot right? Meanwhile PS3 will outsell 360 in Japan and Europe, while catching up here.

As far as I can tell 2007 will be very interesting, and 2008--especially if Universal ditches HD-DVD and hands BluRay the win-- could be very good for PS.


First off, GRAW 2 is not a FPS and Lost Planet WILL NOT come to the PS3. Secondly, FF and MGS are not coming out this fall, hate to break it to you. And when Halo 3 and GTA 4 launch on the very same console this fall, Sony's skull will be curbstomped. I agree with you though, this fall will be interesting.

let's say for sake of argument, that right now, the PS3 had ALL the games the 360 had right now. with better online, bigger community, rumble, and that lower price tag i don't see why PS3 would scream "pay that extra cash for me instead".

yeah agreed GT, MGS and FF will move a ton of PS3s, but i don't see those happening this year. plus 360 already has some answers for those, Forza, the next Splinter Cell exclusive, and Mass Effect for example..

the PS3 exclusives for THIS year are new IPs and i don't think they exactly have the fanbase to stop 360's year old momentum and PS3's bad publicity.

as a PS3 owner myself, i don't think i'll see the PS3 blossom until 2008.


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The XBox 360 does not reserve a full core for the OS. The OS reserves 32 MB of RAM, 5% of Core 1 and 5% of Core 2. Core 0 is totally unused by the OS.

@Aaron

How quickly we forget the first few months of the 360 and XBox Live, which was "broken" in many of the same ways you say PSNis broken, but we've all been paying for XBox Live all along...

@NEOne

Interesting, I hadn't heard or read that before. Please be so kind as to provide a link.

be careful what you wish for those who want to see PS3 crushed....Microsoft already dominates in PC software and has ruthless crushed opposition and stifled innovation for 2 decades, to the detriment of consumers in terms of pricing and choice. Now Sony has been a dominant player in the console market but it is microsoft that is the 1000 pound gorilla in this fight. Sony has shot itself in the foot but it will recover (I hope) - the last thing I want to see is MSFT dominating in PC and console market. Competition is a good thing.

Anyway I think the PS3 will slowly but surely reel the others in, perhaps even overtake the 360 but its market share will be less than before...that is a good thing. Helping PS3, Blu Ray will win because the vast majority of Hollywood studios and electronics companies are backing it....yes it is like VHS vs Beta but this time Blu Ray is VHS! It is HD that is being pushed by a small segment of the market and will wither because of lack of content.

Anyway Sony needs to pull its finger out and start getting its shit together, too much bad press and some of it is deserved. I have spoken. You may carry on.

Hater remember, before Xbox Live, there was nothing like it. you couldn't download game content from one place anywhere on a console. hard to call that "broken".

you either do something first, or do something better than the competition, and in xbox live's case they did both.


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If the Xbox 360 can do it with just 1 processor core, than surely the Playstation 3 can do it with 8 cores! Right? Right?!

Oh wait, that's right. The Playstation 3 is a broken-ass console. And it's not going to change, unless every Sony executive in the gaming division gets laid off. (See also: Large ego)

I'd like to coin a phrase: this is another straw on a broken-backed camel.

OK, it's quite simple. Adding background downloading capabilies to the system, may break existing games.

Sony have some functions in the latest devlopment SDK so that games can control IF background downloading can occur. Until games use this new SDK, no bacground downloads will occur.

When games start using the new SDK, downloads will ocur when the game running allows it (i.e. not online, and resources are available to do so).

I download many things from XBL, and the only time it stops my download is when I start playing on xbox live, understandably. But if I am playing my game offline, my downloads still download. Though I have found that it depends on the game. Some games let you keep downloading while you play, while some start the dwonload as soon as you put it in. So, to me it seems like it's the developers who choose this option, not MS.

You cannot believe everything you read here. We all have to wait for the firmware to be released before we can really judge it. 10 years ago I had a IBM aptiva with 256megs (maxed out) and a radeon 7000 (32 megs) vid card. It downloaded in the background without any issues (even though it was SLOW).
For the Sony Playstation 3 to do background downloading, the PS3 kernel (if anyone knows what that is) just has to allocate about 1 meg of memory and swap it over the the harddrive 512k at a time. Sure it will be slow but it is possible. For someone to write or say it cannot be done...he/she is full of BULL.

i don't even see why this argument still exists. they demonstrated background downloading with Singstar at GDC, and it worked fine.