Aussie PS3 boss: Don't compare systems ... but if you do, PS3 is better

I think the Wii is just a "games console" in Nintendo's mind too.

after the enormous Avalanche of good Sony new today, this is what gets posted.

good ole Joystiq.

Is he competing with Jack Tretton for who the bigger asshat at Sony is?

Yeah, Sony's news has been great today. . . Go check out Kotaku to see how they treat the people who give you news.

all the better. Kotaku is the most biased board around.

at least sony finnaly admits that the PS3 isnt a game console :)


acually thats kinda of a good reason not to buy a PS3, since its a "digital hub" why don i just use my other "digital hubs" ( my mac laptop, pc laptop, mac desktop) and buy a xbox with no upgrades and a wii for ONLY video games, because thts what i want, a game console


i dont need another "digital hub"

4. all the better. Kotaku is the most biased board around.

Posted at 6:05PM on Mar 1st 2007 by mushiking

I bet you would say the same exact thing about Joystiq if they got blackballed by Sony too. Fucking blind ass fanboy!

Didn't take long for the ultra-Sony defenders to show up.

and another thing... if you read the blog, you would know Kotaku was warned TWICE not to post the rumor, and then did anyways. how exactly are they the victim here?

I aggree, Kotaku wasnt exactly the fairest blog in the land. They fell for the runaway sony FUD train like most other blogs, but they were no where near deserving being black balled.

INC FLAMES.

i think this guys statements are funny as hell.. says the 360 has useless componants? the ps3... 90% of the things in it i will never use

I love my PS3 and have been satisfied with Sony products overall, but this guy needs to shut the fuck up.

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8. and another thing... if you read the blog, you would know Kotaku was warned TWICE not to post the rumor, and then did anyways. how exactly are they the victim here?

Posted at 6:14PM on Mar 1st 2007 by mushiking

It's called the 1st Amendment, asshole! It's retards like you who are willing to give up your rights for 'freedom'. Kotaku did not have a NDA with Sony regarding this announcement so I feel they did the right thing.

"We think PS3 is not a product to be compared with Wii, it is a completely different product," he said. "This is a digital hub, that is a games console."

Unfortunately, I don't want a digital hub. I just want a games console.

I don't like the joystiq (aka nintendo pr) spin/faux-rebuttal put on what Michael Ephraim said.

In the future joystiq should try leaving this type of junk (aka nintendo pr) out and just point to the interview if they feel it is notable.

Jean-Luc Picard said

"The first link of the chain forged, the first freedom denied, binds us all irrefutably"

Although he was actually quoting some other character, whose name eludes me

How come Sony manages to hire some of the biggest morons in the industry?

1.)"...but a large portion of consumers aren't going to want or need these things in the first place."

2.)"Spun another way, splitting the wireless adapter into an optional accessory actually represents a substantial savings for someone with a wired 'net connection."

Keep "spinning" like that and maybe Joystiq will be blackballed too.

To answer your first unsolicited rebuttal to Ephraim's point: I did. To your second: I think that's why they had the 20gig version out at launch, for people who didn't want or need wireless. But maybe that's just "technically true".

Besides, I think he's right. Who uses the Wii for Internet or movies? It's f'n blurry even with component cables. For a lot of people the PS3 really is an affordable, though not cheap, entry into digital content for your living room. Simple, really. It doesn't "just" play games, it does a lot of other stuff, too. Like Linux. And streaming to PSP, worldwide (hopefully). And Hi-def movies right out of the box. Free online, too.

But I'll let you sum it all up, okay?

"Sorry, but $1000 Australian (Roughly $788 U.S.) doesn't sound insignificant to us, NO MATTER WHAT YOU GET OUT OF IT." Really?

I can't speak to Australia, but it's $699 CAD + tax in Canada for the 60gig version. "The current federal minimum wage for full or part time employees aged over 21 in Australia is AU$13.47 (~US$10.50) per hour." - wikipedia.

In Canada it's like $7.00 CAD or about $6.00 US.

Add it up. The PS3 just looks more expensive in Australia.

xbox360 + wifi adaptor + hd-dvd = ~$600 CAD, with no oem swappable harddisk support, and it looks fugly as hell with wires and external adaptors everywhere.

So we're talking about a ~$100 CAD price difference for the same feature set and a choice between sleek design (IMO) and internal BluRay vs external HD-DVD.

The xbox360's spin is noisy, don't you agree?

I'm from Australia and no one is talking about the PS3 coming out. $1000 for a console is a joke. We are probably closer to the Manufacturing plants than the US.

PS3 probably think their console is a media center and not a console, hello identity crisis.

I'm going Wii60 for the same price, as PS3, just waiting for the new SDK 360.

why does anybody care what corporate asshole management has to say about their products anyway? all they do is spout the same bs... you can practically read a script with {insert your product here} for just about every company out there. in the latest egm with that sony exec, he sounds exactly like every ceo i've ever worked for...blah blah blah. marketing isn't truth. pr isn't truth.

I never understood why Australia and New Zealand were in the PAL region anyway, at least pertaining to PS3 and Wii, they should be included either in the JP region or the NTSC.

Shipping costs shouldn't be that hard, and unlike Europe, Australia/NZ have only 1 language

it just struck me as wierd

You don't only need $249 for an X360 HD DVD drive... You also need for the X360 HD DVD drive to see a release down here. It's slated for March 31 at present, I believe.

$999 is still a phenomenally retarded price. I don't know any Australian willing to pay that much for the core console. Add the requisite two games and extra controller to the price and it's fucking ridiculous. You may as well buy a PC and get a thousand times the functionality and a thousand times as many games to play.


Oh and @21, Mr Khan: Australia is a PAL region because that's the standard the Government picked, presumably due to us being part of the Commonwealth and the UK being a PAL region.

@ #21
I think it probably has something to do with that common symbol in both of ur flags.

$1200NZ is a fvcking Joke.

I have a Wii. I dont see what the PS3 is offering ove r the 360. So although i have no intension of buying 360 or PS3, id have to say..... Wii60 FTW

If sony can include HD cables and remote in the package the price can possibly be justified to someone who wants blu-ray. But they need some great exclusive games as well. If you can't take advantage of blu-ray then it's a rip.

In Aus, premium 360 can be had for $600 with PGR3. You can't even do anything with PS3 for $1000. You can't run your Casino Royale and have no game. BTW does anyone with Gears of War really give a shit about Resistance? Motorstorm better be good.

They are also holding back the list of BC games. Must be small. Having said that I'm only really interested in playing old games if they are upscaled anyway.

I'm interested in getting a PS3 but Sony need to eat a big slice of humble pie. I think microsoft has a better idea of where the console sweet spot is. Shit, $600 is enough to turn non-hardcore gamers away. This thing will stagnate until the games come out that people talk about. Games. Games. Games. Ultimately, nothing else matters.

His accidental implication that the PS3 is not a games console really cracks me up.

Foot-in-mouth disease must be contagious, as it seems to be spreading across all of Sony's upper management. ;)

Actually, I'd say that Sony is in the middle of the value scale. Not the best, not the worst. If you DON'T want the "extra" features the Xbox 360 is a good deal because they don't make you pay for them. However, if you DO want those features Microsoft rapes the hell out of you while Sony is much more reasonable. $100 wireless adapter? WTF is that crap Microsoft?

Somewhat ripped off: Xbox 360 Owners
Ripped off: PS3 Owners
Ass-raped beyond all recognition: Xbox 360 + Wirelss adapter + HD DVD add-on Owners. $700?!

Also, I know everyone has feature-itis on the internet, but how come nobody brings up the intangibles, like design and reliability. The slot loading, all-in-one, non-red-ring-of-deathness, non loud-as-hellness of the PS3 has got be worth something to some people. The build quality of the PS3 is just superior, yet this "feature" is never accounted for. If nobody cares about this stuff why don't they just make the damn things out of construction paper?

The Wii is just a game console in the minds of the people, and you know what? To the average consumer, so is the PS3. The difference? One is $350 cheaper.

As much as I don't like Sony and their constant putting down of everybody and their lack of humility, the guy is right. The Wii is an expensive piece of hardware for what it actually does and is capable of.

@27 The average consumer also has no idea how good HD is in gaming until they try it. I didn't. Now I'm sooooo on board. I'll leave the lower-res stuff to the portable platforms. $350 difference? On the whole, I'd say worth it. This generation is something different than other video game generations. Boxing on a regular TV now looks kinda worse than boxing on the PS3 or X360. Same as how Gran Turismo on PS2 looked worse than TV. Now on PS3 it will arguably look better than TV. There's a value to that jump in quality that, yes, is worth $350. (+HD TV $$$$$$) I'd expect to pay half as much for the previous generation's graphics quality. Not saying I won't buy a Wii or anything...it's just, damn, I've already got motion control on the PS3. True, it remains to be seen what will develop on the PS3 for games...and of course that's a huge factor in determining the value of the system, as many have pointed out already. Clearly X360 has more and better games right now, and that's huge, obviously.

As to the whole pricing thing...when my parents bought me a TG16, they paid lots ($300+ CAD I guess, in 1993 dollars, so what...call it $450, $500 in today's Canadian dollars?). And look what it did...just played those little games. So that was what, 13 years ago? What's $300 now and what's it worth to you? If I recall the TG16 games weren't cheap, either, but I still bought 'em and played 'em until the thing broke a few years later. So why, now should we ignore things like inflation, ignore the monumental leap these systems are making and still not expect to pay for quality? If people want to buy a PS3 for $300, then they'll probably have to wait until PS4 comes out. Or buy a used xbox360 right now for less than that is the other option I guess...if you want to pay $300 for HD Gaming.

And all the reasons to purchase a PC instead as a digital hub. No comparison. It will do anything the PS3 can do many times over and more.

hmmm. the playstation isnt a game console huh? its a digital hub. hmmm. well then change the name idiots! PLAYstation. GAMING. what do we do with games??? can anyone guess??? we PLAY them. if the PLAYstation isnt for playing, then call it the digitalHUBstation.

and for the rest of us that want to PLAY. i recommend the wii60.

I kind of agree with part of what he said: The Wii and the 360 or PS3 are not really in the same category of consoles. As far as system power and flexibility goes, I personally don't think that the Wii can match the 360 or PS3. Then again, the Wii has its OWN positives that the 360 or PS3 don't have. Nintendo obviously went in a different direction from Sony and Microsoft and apparently it has paid off with a really high demand RIGHT NOW. The lowest price of the three, plus the INITIAL "fun factor" are helping Nintendo right now. Their console markets to a totally different demographic of gamer than does Microsoft and Sony. I don't have the funds to own all 3 systems, but I must say that I proudly own a launch-day 360 (without any problems I might add), and I wouldn't mind having a PS3 one day (ESPECIALLY if Blu-ray wins over HD-DVD) if the price comes down a little. The Wii really isn't my kind of system, personally. I've played one, but to me, the novelty wore off kinda quickly and the games that I played weren't to my liking. To me it seems that the Wii is really for a much younger crowd or perhaps older consumers who have never played games.

"30. And all the reasons to purchase a PC instead as a digital hub. No comparison. It will do anything the PS3 can do many times over and more."

Yeah, but PC's take time to get working right, especially if you want them to do HD entertainment. I just talked my dad through it over the phone and it took days for him to configure to his liking, $2500+ later. Show me a retail computer system less than $1k with BluRay, integrated Bluetooth, HDMI (or component) digital video output, and a wireless, motion sensing controller that works seamlessly right out of the box ... I don't see those anywhere right now. Most people don't want a fugly tower in their living room anyway. Don't forget the PS3 supports, what, 7 Sixaxis wireless controllers at a time? ...though no games out right now really support that. FlOw?

However, you are correct that a PC will do more for you as a digital hub, if you take the time and have the knowhow to do that. There are far fewer format restrictions. PC and PS3 work best in tandem, IMO ;)

Don't get me wrong, I loves me a good PC game and I currently have it sending video to my TV downstairs...but it took time to get it right, and I seldom use it for gaming. PS3 < 20 mins to set up and it's done, for less $. For most people time is more valuable than money anyway. The PS3, all things considered, is worth it for a lot of people.

Sony haters are just going to have to accept that. As to the current lack of games: I have no doubt that I'll be playing amazing games on the PS3 this year, and next and next and next and probably the next year after that, too. Does anyone really doubt that? (Hell, I'm enjoying a rented boxing game on PS3 right now, it's super fun. Just 'cause IGN doesn't give it a 9.9 doesn't mean these games aren't playable, people! Read the reviews! The games work! They are fun! They're just not innovative enough yet to get the big scores from reviewers. Trust me, that will change.)

Blah Blah Blah.

Sony fanboys, seriously, just shut the hell up. You backed a dud horse this time, so you can stop whipping it now that it's dead. $1000 is ridiculous, and so are your claims that it's still better value than the competition. Be quiet, you make us all look bad and feel worse about ourselves.

Michael Ephraim is a businessman entirely disassociated with the drive and target demographic of the industry in which he finds himself. He seems to believe that if he says the market believes something, they do.

They do not; we hate you for it, Mickey - we hate you for it.

Of course, this is coming from the same man who said we prefer waiting half a year after the rest of the world. Sony's poor management and abortion of a launch just happen to fit perfectly with the apparently arse backwards thinking of all us unimportant non-americans.

F#$% off, wanker. You're a dickhead selling a shit product to other wankers.