Microsoft's sneaky Xbox 360 "update"

OK Keif. You mutha fucka. I'm gonna bust a cap in yo ass.

Pussy fanboy deal wit it. SONY owns ms and will kick you sorry ass all over the place.

I see you hiding you sorry faggot ass.

I am DA BOMB on da's intrnets! FUCKYOU!!!

@Jake

So, what's the deal? You keep going back and forth. One minute you hate MS, now you like them. You have multiple personality syndrome or something?

What's the deal Jake? You come across as a total 360 fanboy in one post then you're a total Sony fanboy in the next. What's your problem man?

@ JJC

WTF? Are you off your medication or something?

Ill take you up on your fight offer once sony is done fucking you in the ass. And that will happen about never.


also Id like to note I dont own a ps3 or a 360, but you decided to assume I was anti sony and pro. Not my fault you are a dipshit.

It may be hard for you to understand but it is quite possible to defend something ms did but not being anti sony. Its called not being a idiot. All companys do stupid crap, and if you decide to mock one company for it while praise another then you are just plain dumb. Fanboys will always be losers

What?!?! Now you want some too, CaptNink?!?!

Don't be gettin in da middle o dis shiznit mf.

Go back in da wings ands shut da f up. I'll tell you when I want to hear from you.

Keif shadupp dick face!! MS roolz.

Microsoft's DRM is at it again

And all hax are not necessarily bad, on Player v Player games they DO suck, but on MMOs (and in the case of skin mods) they totally rock

I became permanently pro-mod since PSO GC when i was able to run around with my character that looked like exactly like Knuckles

in short, skin mods rule, DRM sucks

Simple here folks: An update in terms of the 360's terms IS a patch, however is considered an update as it just modifies certain code already compiled and on the console. Since there's nothing restricting the use of the unprivalaged memory which hackers have been using, a PATCH would be used to ADD code to the console to stop you from accessing this. Thus, it is not considered an update and is instead deemed a patch as it adds something which wasn't there before.

But yes, don't get me confused, when you update your Xbox 360 the updater PATCHES your 360's firmware. There's multipul meanings to "patch" though, so...

Yes sony never does this, they just seem to accidently block stuff on psp with every update

Your right they never do this sort of thing. They don't cockblock you and call it a security update. They actually encourage open standards and homebrew kit play. Have fun with that $40 webcam and the $40 headset! Stupid blind MS followers!!!


Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

@31
[Media Center Extender is more than capable and the 360 doesn't have a problem playing back higher res video. There are even 'hack' and 'homebrew' for Media Center.]

Not the same. XBMC is still more capable, the XBox just lacks the power for HD videos. Also, you have to have an MCE PC to take use all the features. Otherwise you have to use that even further crippled media connect utility. XBMC doesn't need MCE. You just need a standard network share on your PC.

XBMC can also play just about every music and video format available... including odd formats like certain type of video game music. You can also access all kinds of web content like YouTube, internet radio (Shoutcast), Gamespot videos, etc, etc, etc... There are workarounds which rely sort of let you play Xvid and such, but they rely on a fairly powerful PC for HD videos since these utilities are actually transcoding the video on the fly. It would be soooo much better if the 360 simply supported all these codecs so that it could actually play the formats natively.

Sorry, but the 360's media capabilites may the best of the current consoles, but they are a joke compared to XBMC.

@Arcaynn

Where the hell did you get the idea that "hacking is illegal"? You dumb fuck. There's nothing illegal about hacking. You just clearly don't understand a thing about it.

#54
Your ... not a real person are you? Your just some sort of joke or something right?
I mean, I can't see anyone being so idiot and blatantly disgregard the fact that sony has done, and continues to do, the exact same thing.

It's just that with Microsoft, they caught it and stopped it before it could become more prolific.

Sony just sat on their asses with the PSP and then suddenly went "Oh wait, this could be a problem."

Personally I respect the companies right to keep their stuff secure. While I don't always like it, it's their own right. More power to 'em. So what if I can't play MAME on my 360. I can on my normal XBox just fine still.

And I'm talking about both Sony and Microsoft here.

oh yay, some one in pst 57-58 pretending to be me.

side note, I think joystiq needs to change its name to retard magnet, cause 95% of the posters here have no brain cells

lol. this is an entertaining thread to read alot of these immature comments. jjc to be precise. but i don wan a cap in ma ass so i will leaveizz yo alone dawg fizzy.

but anyway. someone up there got it right in saying the only people that are trying to spin this negatively are sony fanboys and maby a couple hackers.

this WHOLE argument is stupid. if you created a system and found a hole that allowed piracy (even a little) you would fix it. lets not kid ourselves. if you are trying to find a way to bash MS with this you are a complete idiot and obviously dont even have remote knowledge of anything that has to do with software.

so STFU! yo ;)

I call shenanigans on this. It's not right for others to destroy my reputation by impersonating me. I will not have it. Joystiq! Do you hear me?!? IPBAN IPBAN!!!

don yo be fukin wit me to G!!

I've had bout nuff dis shiznit! a'ight?

quitcha fukn wit me.

Why do you fuckers keep trying to wreck my good name?! Fuckin' stop it already.

sorry homie. i dont speak wigga

Hacking isn't illegal? My definition of hacking is cracking security measures on hardware and software in order to run code that is not authorized - generally requiring illegal reverse engineering that you agree not to do by using any software and therefore agreeing to the EULA. Just because you might get a high and mighty hardon about so called open source software doesn't mean it is legal to crack open something to make it run.

also, I hate sony. Please bust a cap in my ass.

So let me get this straight...

People are getting upset about Microsoft patching their hardware to lock hackers out?

Would everyone getting angry prefer that people play hacked games over XBL and ruin everyone else's experience?

I understand that people want their homebrew or XBMC-type media center, but it's not like MS can't add that functionality later on via a patch anyways.

XBMC wasn't official, and MS revised the hardware of the Xbox to make it more difficult to hack, etc. Why is it such a surprise that they're trying to protect their investment from uses they never intended?

This whole comment thread is a complete worthless mess. Most of the comments are dumbasses impersonating other posters. Then you have fanboy comments trying to make this sound like big news and MS throwing in the flag. Then you have MS fanboys pretending to be uber-retarded Sony fanboys just to make Sony fanboys look stupid.

Joystiq needs to update their firmware so that people can't impersonate other posters and ruin the threads. Oh, but then Joystiq would be evil devils destroying our souls if they did that.

It is funny, though, that at the core of this whole issue is that people don't feel that MS should update its own firmware, despite having every legal right to do so. If they feel this action is best for their profits, then they HAVE to do it. Business 101.

the only thing going on here is the hackers being pissy that MS horned in on their game.

Im sorry, but I hope all console companies do this. People that hack ruin online games for everyone else. Sure there are soem people that make sure they dont ruin things for others, but if you are really that into it, just get a second console to stay offline with. any exploit a honest hacker can get to, so can an asshole one get too, id rather have it all blocked off.

I like consoles because they can filter out alot of the problems that plauge pc gameing

[It is funny, though, that at the core of this whole issue is that people don't feel that MS should update its own firmware, despite having every legal right to do so. If they feel this action is best for their profits, then they HAVE to do it. Business 101. ]

It may be legal for them to do, and illegal (in some palce) so hack it, but it still comes down to the debate over consumer rights. We bought the hardware, we should be able to use it as we please. That's my view anyway. MS certainly has every right to control access to Live and I wouldn't argue against that, but I wish these companies wouldn't lock down the hardware so tight. I feel it violates my rights to use my machine as I want. If they want to prevent modded XBoxs access to Live... fine. I'd settle for the same set-up as we have with the XBox 1 where we have a chips that can load firmware that opens the hardware up completely but can also be turned off so that the stock firmware loads and Live can be accessed. Personally, I have no real interest in pirating retail 360 games which is why I don't use any of the DVD firmware hacks. But I would love to have XBMC 360.

So, again, this debate really isn't what is currently legal but more what SHOULD be legal... this is at the heart of all DRM/hacking debates.

Look, I'm a Linux geek, but even I can understand this. Microsoft wants to keep all 360's the same so that hacks won't make it to XBL.

Besides, this IS an OS fix.

Jake:
"Don't be so quick to lump pirates and hackers into the same boat you ignorant turd burglar. Microsoft has more questionable business practices than most hackers you fucknut."

LoL ok so since MS has more questionable practices it makes what the pirates & hackers do ok?? Makes sense :P

anybody ever think that maybe it had somthing to do with the early daylight savings thing

@ decadeofevil

I think they did that in the last Fall update.

This doesn't really matter much. Only thing this does is pushes back the timetable of the 360 getting hacked to run homebrew.
It is going to happen regardless of any security measures.
XBMC on the 360 will be fantastic. I hate only being able to stream WMV files.

Homebrew will eventually hit because the 360 can be opened and a modchip can be inserted. There really is
no defense against it (other than.. I dunno, CRC checking over Live every couple of seconds to check for changes)

I don't mind that they've plugged this hole, could care less. Now, if my console had been bricked for nothing more than closing a hole which didn't hurt me any...I'd have been pissed

I applaud Microsoft for working so hard to patch the security flaws as they come up.

While you can bitch and moan about Homebrew, etc on the 360 being crippled, think about why this is great for regular gamers.

The fewer flaws and holes, the harder it will be for asshole's to cheat and ruin my fun playing XBL.

Why is this a big deal?

If I want to run Linux I'll run it on my PC. Seriously, what could you even do with Linux on an XBox that you can't already do easier on your own hardware? I'm all for trying new things but honestly, hacking your 360 seems like a huge waste of time.

99% of XBox 360 consumers could probably a) care less if their system was patched "behind the scenes" and would b) wonder why you were even bothering them if you told them they were going to patch the system beforehand.

No homebrew! Whine bitch winge!

You people don't understand shit.

The thing here is that MicroShaft has decided to call this a security flaw and the only security being threatened is their steel grip on the hardware you bought and own. There isn't some worm or virus involved it's their control over what you put on YOUR device.

You MicroShaft fanboys will say anything positive about your overlords and masters just to make yourselves feel better for being non-thinking plebes. They stopped people from developing games using the tools that they choose to use rather than being locked down and into the MicroShaft way of doing things. Oh, no, don't think outside the box, that's a threat to the security of how they control your lives.

The only thing that MicroShaft fixed is you and your overheating off white piles of crap. Think for yourselves you fucking retards!!!

I sort of agree with erac3rx:
"It really is certainly a breath of fresh air that Sony is embracing this community by building an open platform, while Microsoft-- predictably-- is micro-managing every point of the system."

Sony's more open stance is better in this instance (although worse in their approach to online gaming/networking features), but this will certainly be more appealing to people looking to enhance and expand the system's capabilities.

However:

"They break video streaming for anyone not running Media Center"

You don't need to have media center to stream, although it is still a bit limited.

and...

"developers games must must have an online component, must have achievements, XBLA games have to be under a certain size, etc. etc. etc..."

Complaining about that stuff is nonsense. PS3 owners should be so lucky that Sony adapt those policies.

Anyone experiencing bricked XBOX's after the patch? Turned on the console, updated and screen went all crazy... now all I see is the infamous "Red Ring of Death". Anycare to voice their problems?

I don't think anybody else pointed this out yet, so:

XNA is great and all, but a) $100/yr for the *privilege* of running my own code on my own console?, and b) XNA has *no network support*. Pretty much all the Xbox (1) homebrew I used had a strong network component, like VNC and XBMC. So no, XNA is not the total solution, and there are plenty of people like me who would like to "pwn" our 360s for reasons other than piracy or cheating.