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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:50AM Master X said

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He did make good points IMO
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:29AM (Unverified) said

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Oh jeeze. Here we go...
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:30AM (Unverified) said

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I already stirred up the fanboys earlier with this news.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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The point he was trying to make is that Nintendo isn't pushing for quality games. The majority of the games they're releasing are the type you play while you take a shit in the bathroom. Fast fun games with lack of depth.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:43AM (Unverified) said

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I don't like the idea of games as art. I want art to make me think. I want a game to be fun. This is why I am different from this developer, and why I continue to support Nintendo.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:41AM (Unverified) said

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"The point he was trying to make is that Nintendo isn't pushing for quality games. The majority of the games they're releasing are the type you play while you take a shit in the bathroom. Fast fun games with lack of depth."

I play my DS mostly on the can or at the laundromat and I love it.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:41AM (Unverified) said

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"the Wii is two Gamecubes duct-taped together" is far from "nerd rage" you nerd
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:56AM Brian said

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Seems like this guy is anti anything that's really good and you can never please him. What a secular progressive loon.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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Oh boy, IB4 the Nintendo frenzied fanboys bust down the door to defend the Wii. The funny thing is I talked to a friend the other day who works at Retro and he said the same thing about the Wii. And yes AT THE MOMENT the Wii is nothing more than a gimmick platform, sorry fanboys, mini/micro"games" dont count as games. As a owner of a Wii I want to throw this damn thing out the window, as Ive only played it about 5 times since Ive had it, Zelda two of those times.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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2 gamecubes duct taped together?

"He believes that Nintendo does not treat gaming as an art form, but simply a tool for fun."

Art form? Give me a break. Thats like comparing the Mona Lisa to Cyanide and Happiness. In the end they're both just drawings, but one is designed to be looked at, and one is for entertainment.

I'll take Entertainment over stunning visuals.

I have been playing Twilight Princess for like 30 hours now, and in no way does the "lack of superb graphics" even phase the game. You get so wrapped up in the game, you don't even notice.

What a tool.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:43AM baby sea tuna said

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Wait...there's a SECOND gamecube in there? If there is, someone might want to consider taking advantage of it, since nobody seems to have figured out how to yet.

Seriously though, fuck these self important pricks. It's like the worst of the Joystiq fanboys somehow magically stumbled on a bigger pulpit than the comment section of a little gaming blog. It's not surprising though, since constantly deriding the state of games and the industry is a helluva lot easier than actually doing something about it...
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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This coming from someone who works for EA.

If anyone knows about bathroom shit games with no depth, it's EA.

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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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Games on the DS are seldomly fun, often short and limited though. The thing I really loath about the DS is its horrid screen resolution. It's two GBAs duct taped together.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:45AM Shagittarius said

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This seemed like a good time to post my new revelation about the Wii and the people who prefer it:

The 360 & PS3 are for people who like to waste time playing games.

The Wii is for people who play games to waste time.


I think that sums it up quite nicely, and I agree with Chris, the Wii is a piece of shit.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:48AM (Unverified) said

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Yup charge more for games in order to get the Game Stores to look like greedy pigs, then offer a newer "cheaper" form of distribution like Digital Downloads. Nice.

This reminds me of "Cartridges cost $60! We have a new format that'll drop the cost of games drastically! It's called CDS! *Enter the $50 game."

Cartridges supposedly cost like $5 - $15 to make. And CDs cost less than a nickel. So with the drop of hard based media then we have to shift the blame on to something else... what's gonna be the next thing? Oh yeah "Bandwidth!" We gotta pay for that.

I'm not even a publisher and I can rant.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:49AM JoshMilewski said

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So, to be considered an "art form", the goal is to not be fun? ...Yeah, I'm not getting that one. Who gives a crap about a *game* (key word) if it isn't fun?
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:49AM (Unverified) said

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The Wii is TWO Gamecubes? I figured it was one and a half.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:52AM (Unverified) said

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In before Nintendo fanboys who think they know more about developing for the Wii than an actual developer.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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@Shagittarius

Then what about the few that play the Wii and the 360? (including the PC in there as well)
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:53AM Vidikron said

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Well, I agree with his rant on one point... having more powerful systems isn't just about pure eye candy. The power also goes toward stuff like AI and physics. I think this is a point Nintendo simply chose to ignore when designing the Wii.

But I don't know if I agree with his complaint that Nintendo only uses games as tools for fun instead of art. Zelda is very artistic. And what's wrong with simple, fun games? It's a niche that Nintendo fills very well and the popularity and viability of such games is validated by the DS.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:54AM (Unverified) said

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Unbelievable...The subject of games as "art" - as in, the concept of art and not just the visual impressions - is almost completely independent from the technology used to make the games. If you're going that route, you're dealing with story (when applicable), characterization, and aesthetics. Even from a purely visual perspective, coherent art direction and stylistic flair is much more important to an artistic product than the number of pixels pushed. This constantly stupid hardware stat mongering is one of the biggest reasons games won't be taken seriously as "art" for the forseeable future.

The ONLY valid argument this guy has is in relation to creating decent AI, and thus far none of the consoles have proven to be that proficient in that - though Assassin's Creed has the potential for proving me wrong.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:54AM (Unverified) said

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i cant agree more, the wii is lame
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:55AM (Unverified) said

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I completely agree w/him. He makes a very good point. He's a profesional and does this for a living. All most of you people do is jack off, play video games, and think you know everything.

But the manner in which he said it completely takes away his credibility and makes him sound very vile and unintelligent.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:57AM (Unverified) said

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It doesn't matter to me what any EA representative says, I'll buy the 2-Gamecubes-taped system as soon as it is available.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:57AM outsidah said

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I agree with the Wii comments so far. Mine hasnt powered on in a very long time. No software to buy either.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 11:59AM sand0789 said

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Nintendo fans get so defensive about the power of the Wii, or lack there of. It reminds me of the "it's not the size that counts, but how you use it." argument. It's cute, though.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:03PM (Unverified) said

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You failed to mention that he's a developer for Spore.

Here's a rant, why can't they ever release a game on time? Dollars to donuts that Spore gets delayed until 08.. probably because their developers are soo busy trying to convince us that they're making art.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:03PM (Unverified) said

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@wii being lame...

lol, Mario, Mario Sports games, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, Mario party...

Those are just the name of a few games that will always sell millions.

SAying a perticular system is lame is like saying Rock music is lame, or rap, or pop, or punk... there are tons of people who like any one of those, so saying its lame... doesn't really phase it at all. Truth is, no matter how "lame" nintendo is, its looking like it has the ability to outsell both PS3 and 360 with its inferior graphics.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:03PM Slaziman said

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Yeah baby, 2x GameCube, now that's powah! Come on, games as an art form? I play these games in my free time when I got nothing better to do, it sounds nerdy to classify games as art. So games can only be fun if they are on advanced CPU's? I guess God of War 2 is a piece of shit, it's running on a eight year old processor for gods sake. What the hell were all those reviewers thinking, rating the game nine and up? The Emotion Engine can't run good AI! God of War 2 sucks! I dunno about you guys, but I could care less if a game can be considered art or not, as long as I enjoy my time with it, the game is good to me. Not to say I'm pro-Wii, the minigame compilations are really pissing me off, I just think his visions on gaming in general are ridiculous.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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Ah what great bait for the Nintendo defence force. Truth be told he has a point. The Wii may have an inovative controller. But a controller is merely an input system. It may change the way you actually control a game but it doesnt change the game itself. Zelda for example, I have it on the Gamecube and it works perfectly well, why do I need to swing my controller about pointlessly to slash? I'd rather see more games like Ico and Shadow of the Collossus (a game that would have benefited greatly from better graphics) games can be an art form, the games I just mentioned proved it and they are both fun and interesting games. The sooner nintendo realise this the sooner we can stop seeing rubbish 3D mario games like Sunshine being released
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:05PM Shagittarius said

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@Ken

I have all three consoles and a PC, I have them all because at some point an exclusive is going to drop for each that I'm interested in, and gaming happens to be my big thing so I don't mind spending the extra bucks to make sure I don't miss out on anything. However besides Zelda which was released for the GC as well the Wii has nothing but 'time wasters' so far.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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Yup, I guess there is some truth to what he's saying. In terms of AI and physics - that's what "next-gen" means to me anyway. I love my Wii but I'm starting to get a little worried about it's future. After completing Zelda, I'm finding it hard to turn on these days :(

...and the game release schedule over the next few months doesn't give me much hope!
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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I expected more oout of Nintendo myself. Spend about ten hours alone with a Wii and then it will start collecting dust on a shelf. Two years ago I bought a ping pong game with motion sensitive paddles and we still enjoy it at large gatherings but otherwise it goes in my kids toy chest. That game was $20 and worth it. The Wii was $300 after I bought a game and a tremendously overpriced piece of hardware to enjoy just when you have friends over. Thank God for a good ole dartboard!
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:11PM NintendoFanbot said

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Hey guys!

"He believes that Nintendo does not treat gaming as an art form, but simply a tool for fun."

Do you see the meta-joke yet?
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 5:48PM (Unverified) said

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I have a Wii and enjoy playing on it. Obviously the experience is relative to the user, but that's how it's always going to be. No one is going to agree with you if they don't believe what you believe, and vice versa. Even though the Wii might not be the technological powerhouse that the PS3 and 360 are, it never was trying to be. I agree that complex AI, realistic physics and graphics matter, but I also like being able to pick up and go, as with the Wii and the controller. It can't push graphics boundaries like the others, but what it does, it does well.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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only time wasters so far? Yeah, so what? Obviously the beginning games are trying to show what the system is capable of doing. Wii isn't for serious hard core games, its supposed to be a fun system. Expect more games like this in the future, if you don't like it, what are you bitching about, don't buy it.

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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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Soooooo.... Developers can be fan boys, too.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:13PM dosed150 said

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i fail to see the logic in heckers statement nintendo dont take games seriously because they say games are for fun not art is it just me or is fun the point of games, does anyone actually buy games because they think theyre artistic i mean yeh its nice but if okami sucked arse its art style wouldnt redeem it, more to the point what has hecker done thats so good how many games has he designed i cant think of any
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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"better to reason about the world their inhabiting."

I am trying to figure out what that sentence fragment is doing in there and what it is supposed to mean.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:14PM (Unverified) said

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I like how civilized us gamers are.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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I liked games when they were on NES. I guess they sucked though because the NES wasn't powerful. Oops, time to get rid of my NES games.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:17PM (Unverified) said

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I have a PS3, and a 360, and several games for both, unfortunatly I have not played any of them because the second I got them I put them in a glass case for display.

I have freinds come over and say, what the hell are you doing... I say "Im displaying my art" then they say, screw you, lets go play some Wii.

I no longer have any friends.

Art ruined my life.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:18PM Oogle said

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You know Hecker is just playing all of you fanboys and anti-fanboys for fools, right? Last GDC, he was ripping on the PS3 and 360 for their complicated mess of a processor.

Right now, he's probably getting a kick out of the ruckus he's caused.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:20PM (Unverified) said

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I'm not sure why Hecker is upset. Maybe it's because EA is putting a lot of man power behind the Wii and he is forced to develop for it?

Actually, that's kinda funny. Sorry, Hecker. You work for EA, and their bottomline is money, not art. Move to a new dev house, buddy.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:20PM (Unverified) said

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I love in the time between console generations, us gamers have such short memories that we forget that it takes awhile for a library of quality games to drop. NO CONSOLE IS A GOOD VALUE WITHIN ONE YEAR OF IT'S LAUNCH. And that's the truth. I don't care how open minded you are, it's just never satisfying to be an early adopter if you're a really really hardcore gamer. I own a Wii and a 360 so I've been through this twice now. Attack attack attack, defend defend defend, blah blah blah. The 360 had mostly sub-par launch titles (PGR3 being the only exception), the Wii launched with a GameCube port as it's highest attachment rated game, and the PS3 is a $600 technical marvel that, at the moment, has exactly ONE game worth owning. Guess what guys, if you bought a console at launch, you got f*cked, deal with it. I have twice now =)
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:21PM Slaziman said

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Actually you may be right Hello, I think Hecker might be the Blake Snow of the developers, if you catch my drift.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:23PM (Unverified) said

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Games can be both art and entertainment. But I'll be honest and say visuals aren't everything to me. They can be a nice plus, but what I really want is just a game that is fun to play, no matter what system it is on. Last I checked though, gaming was a form of entertainment.

As for games on the Wii, I don't know, I don't find it lacking at the moment. I'll be honest and say I don't want all mini games coming to the system, but only time will tell as to how many of those kind of games will come out. I still have quite a few games to complete and some I'm enjoying/still enjoying after all this time.

I don't care if he likes the Wii or not. But I know as time goes on people are more about "power" and "visuals" than about having fun. While they're doing that I'll be buying games that provide me good entertainment and allow me to wind down after a day at class.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:23PM (Unverified) said

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@ JodyAnthony & Neal

You guys are not that stupid are you?

"I liked games when they were on NES. I guess they sucked though because the NES wasn't powerful. Oops, time to get rid of my NES games."

You idiot. At that point in time the NES was the best and it showed many beautiful games that displayed art. Wii and NES are completly different.


"I have freinds come over and say, what the hell are you doing... I say "Im displaying my art" then they say, screw you, lets go play some Wii."

Well most non-gamers like to play simple easy to learn games with 0 depth.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:24PM (Unverified) said

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Myke has a great point.

Everyone could learn from him.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2007 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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"You idiot. At that point in time the NES was the best and it showed many beautiful games that displayed art. Wii and NES are completly different."

Sega Master System was more powerful.
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