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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:08AM (Unverified) said

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#1- I still fail to see a problem with M rated games getting into the hands of minors. Parents simply need to be held responsible. Its good a store should check ID, but ultimately, its the kids upbringing. The parents.

#2- I hope Manhunt fails to sell well at all. The first game was shockvalue trash, and the next one will be the same. I'm sad and in some ways upset that their tyring to put it on the Wii. Its a trashy game.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:13AM CardboardDoom said

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That makes it seems as though it has already been a problem of minors buying these games, yet they don't exist yet. I hate Jack Thompson. I want someone to just tell him to...shut up. Just lock him in his house. He really isn't doing the world any good.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:15AM billy5000 said

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I fully support a boycott of all news regarding Jack Thompson. If no one gave a shit about what he was trying to do, he would stop doing it. He's an attention whore and deserves to die.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:19AM (Unverified) said

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I also need to point out how wrong his press release is.........Japan has a Raitings system CERO

Dumb ass why do we give Jackass the time of day anymore?
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:21AM (Unverified) said

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To KC, Are you crazy? Manhunt one was one of the best recent horror games and recieved an average score of 8.5 from different sites including GameSpot. It was a good R* game but not as great as other R* titles.
There is nothing wrong with M rated games and children playing them. If a minor kills someone and blames a video game its because he or she doesn't know the true reason of the crime and since Games are the easiest target goes for them and everyone believes them without asking WHY all other millions of minor gamers who play M rated games not only are not maniac killing machines but in their adulthood they become good and mature members of the society.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:27AM (Unverified) said

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Yeah actually be honest KC i really liked the first manhunt, yeah it was all shock value, but that was to be pretty much expected when one picked it up.

its like complaining that madden was nothing about football really. Sure its violent, but a lot of games are. Doesn't mean those of us who may like to play something like that shouldnt because ol' JT thinks minors cant hadle it (they shouldnt be playing it anyway, just like theys houldnt be looking at porn, or smoking, or the many other hazardous things kids shouldnt but do anyway)
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:27AM LiqwidZero said

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lol, Take-Two didn't make it, RockStar made it, Take-Two only publishes. He has that incorrect, for one.

This should be invalid for their ratings already state that you have to be 17 or older to buy these games. If he can't see that, or doesn't know this, then Mr. Thompson just ignorant to this and all things in the gaming world.

Take-Two doesn't sell it, RETAILERs sell the games. The ignorant man just doesn't notice this. It's not Take-Two's fault that parents and grandparents (I've seen it at Wal-Mart) buy it for their kid. The retailer should ask who the person is buying it for.

In my own personal opinion, Manhunt is nothing to fret at. Look at Doom 3, Dead Rising, CRACKDOWN and CoD games. Just look at Sneak King. Just because The King sneaks up on people to give them foods, does this mean I will? NO!!! NOES! I won't. That's improper and rude.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:33AM MNeko said

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Didn't he say on G4 that he wasn't trying to censor video games; only prevent children from playing them? Well, so much for that. If nobody can buy the games, then they're censored.

One more thing... I thought this guy was being disciplined by the Florida Bar Association. Did they wimp out again and let him off with a slap on the wrist? He's going to just walk all over them until they put their foot down.

JR
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:39AM (Unverified) said

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If I dont get my Manhunt 2,No More Heroes,and Metroid Prime 3 fast enough I'm gonna murder the Wii console and give it the kick ass treatment pioneered by the dudes from Office Space! So far Zelda is keeping me calm but if I dont receive the Tarantino treatment for the Wii console instead of corny ass microgames and shitty PS2 ports I might just fuckin' snap and break the Wii's neck like Solid Snake but not like Sam Fisher part67!
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:46AM DonaldMick said

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I thought Joystiq was giving this guy the Paris Hilton treatment. Ah well.

PS: IN BEFORE DELETED!!

Full disclosure: I have a Pixelante t-shirt and wear it regularly.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:53AM NintendoFanbot said

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@ liqwid

Take-Two has more to do than just publishing GTA. They have to market it, and that is what JT's going after, not the ACTUAL desigining of the games, but the MARKETING of them. Supposedly they are being targeted towards people that are not of the age that ESRB consents being eligible for buying an M-rated game (anyone under 17). He has a case if this is true.

I myself would rather like to know at how good are retailers at enforcing the ESRB's rules. I mean, are they carding their customers, or is it strictly the ESRB's fault again?

Then GTA:SA recieving an Ao-rating is bound to leave impact on a game that could only be darker and more realistically rendered.

I would go as far as to say that Jack is being opportunistic, but the opportunity shouldn't have been exposed in the first place.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:53AM (Unverified) said

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@Yashar:

"There is nothing wrong with M rated games and children playing them."

As a parent of two, I can't even begin to tell you how bad that sounds to me. I'm all for freedom of speech, but there ain't no way in hell my 5-year old and 2-year old will see Manhunt anytime soon, or any other M-rated games. I'm not judging you, you show your kids whatever you want, just keep them away from mine until they're old enough to understand.

That said -- I'm with Non-biter, as I want my Manhunt 2, GTA IV, and Postal 3. :) Yeah, I can see where people think the games are wicked bad, but it'll just be our secret. Oh, and I hope they're bringing back Brian Cox as the Director somehow in Manhunt 2 (I never could finish the first one).

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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:55AM (Unverified) said

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Oh yeah, I forgot: JT stinks. But if we ignore him, I doubt he'll go away. I like to stay informed of his shenanigans now and then; if he ever shows up in my neck of the woods to try some of this crap, I'd like to be around.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:56AM abhinav said

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I think jacko will be trying to get these games as AO? While i am not in support of Jack Thompson and the way he goes about things, maybe having these games as AO will keep the games out of kids hands and change the mind of stores to allow AO games to be sold.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:00AM (Unverified) said

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That be nice if we could simply ignore the guy. Yeah I don't like reading about him, but Thompson IS around. And he is acting a fool.

In regards to the game, I can see the appeal to some for Manhunt. I personally didn't like it one bit.
And please don't site magazines and internet sites for review scores. They have their opinions just as much as the rest of us. Certain games get reviewed by biased reviewers, or PAID reviewers. It doesn't make them any more credible than the rest of us.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:00AM Bryan T said

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"Murder Simulation"


Gotta love how people can twist anything to their benefit.


I prefer "Make a Name For Yourself" Simulator.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:03AM SpiralGear said

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this is bullshit


you cant blame movies and video games for violence but let kids watch the discovery channel too


a lion ripping apart a gazzel is less disturbing than a guy getting stabbed?? how the hell is that



if a kid is so weak minded to be infulenced by games to the point where it affetcts his social/personal life he would be useless to society anyways



do you really think after playing man hunt, that if you went out side and watched some one be attacked brutaly with a knife it would be the same in mind set??


of course not!!, dont shelter your kids from this stuff, its the world and how the world has always worked, they will learn nothing positive or negative from these games and movies



i could rant for hours about this crap...but i digres....
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:09AM Vordus said

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We should send him a press release back saying that we're planning a lawsuit against sales of the bible to minors, after all, isn't it full of sex, incest, genocide, murder, etc. and recent studies have shown that violent scripture makes people violent...
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:18AM (Unverified) said

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He needs to get laid
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:28AM (Unverified) said

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Happy April Fools day.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:32AM (Unverified) said

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"lying to courts by saying that there is "no evidence that these games are harmful to minors."

I stopped reading after that. Who wrote that press release, it was horribly biased.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:36AM Twist said

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If this moron really cared a bit about the kids he would start a campaign against retailers who sell these games to children not the companies that make/publish them or he would try to help educate the parents of said children. The sad thing is that even if the games are crap his antics are just going to increase the sales. Of course he probably realizes this and since he is now a stock holder in Take-Two he stands to make more money this way. And then when cops get shoot he can make more money by representing their families in BS lawsuits against Take-Two and Rockstar which will just cause the sales to spike again which will make him more money on multiple fronts. The guy is morally bankrupt but he wants people to think that he is a good guy and unfortunately their are plenty of rubes out there willing to believe him.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 3:23AM (Unverified) said

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JT wants these games to be rated AO... walmart and other big retailers dont carry AO games... big trouble for the publishers.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 4:25AM (Unverified) said

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Here's hoping he pisses the courts off further during his rants to gain the disbarring he deserves.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 8:14AM Kinetic said

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MOre "gimme some attention" by the big prick himself any you guys just walk right into it. Why feed the fire that is his sensationalist bull,

Seriously - Jack Thompson should be banned from every kind of media, and have a restraining order preventing him from purchasing, renting, viewing or having any contact whatsoever with anything game relayed.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 8:18AM (Unverified) said

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please stop reporting this guy! do you guys seriously not get it?

If he had launched this lawsuit and recieved ZERO coverage for it then he'd have failed.. but you guys are helping him succeed

Even he must know he has no chance of ever winning this case.. he's just after the pubicity.. which you guys seem eager to give him.

Maybe if he actually does something significant or important then you should report that (hopefully leaving his name out of it!), but when he is obviously just after pubicity you shouldn't play the part of his lapdog. Its humiliating...
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 9:13AM (Unverified) said

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Ya know what? JT needs a nice cup of shut the hell up.

I hope to hell he doesn't pull this off, because in Oklahoma, AO games means porn, and the store I work at can't sell it. And that sucks, because GTA games are big sellers. Manhunt, not so much.

Also, as a game salesman, its been my experiance that parents know that the M rating is there, most of them just don't care.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 10:31AM (Unverified) said

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Several points...

Many, many parents don't give a shit about the ratings. The same parents that think GTA is just spiffy for their little kids are thes ones who had toddlers disrupting The Departed in theaters. You can't legislate their stupidity.

Media doesn't affect everyone the same way. I can play a hyperviolent game for 5 hours and go to sleep and dream happy dreams and be fine. My son spends any time at all with a violent game or movie and he gets hyped up, out of control, acts totally bizarre. He also draws scenes from what he saw along with narration and dialog. You can't tell me it doesn't affect him, I can *see* it.

But as the parent of a kid who is so clearly negatively affected, I still don't think legislation is the answer. Parents have to take responsibility for what their children see. It's a bummer for me and other single parents like me that our exes don't have the same standards, but legislation isn't going to change that or improve it. I don't believe stomping on the right to free expression in the name of "protecting the children" is ever a good idea.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 11:09AM (Unverified) said

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"Thompson will thus use, successfully, existing nuisance laws to stop the distribution of Manhunt 2 and Grand Theft Auto IV to anyone under 17."

Wow. Apparently, Jack Thompson can see into the future! Through the magic of his crystal ball, he has foreseen that he will win this case.

I guess your luck has to change SOMETIME after so many spectacular failures. He's bound to win a case sooner or later! Keep on truckin', Jack!
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 11:38AM Zak Canard said

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If Jack wants copies of the games so badly he should buy them like everyone else.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:18PM Keithustus said

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I don't mind websites making fun of Jackoff, but DON'T POST HIS PRESS RELEASES. All you're doing is spreading his lunacy by doing that. Instead say, "Jackoff made anther press release. The moron wants to stop the sale of game X even before it's been rated. Now go read some real news."
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:21PM (Unverified) said

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I really don't get why Thompson doesn't give up. His track record is horrible - shouldn't he move on to something he might actually have a chance of succeeding at?

I'm genuinely confused about why a guy whose success rate is 0% would keep trying this.

Geoff
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:30PM (Unverified) said

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I fixed Thompson's press release for him.

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=6673
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:39PM (Unverified) said

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you want to know whats really funny? According to the FBI this generation is actually the least violent (judged on violent crimes commited by minors) since the 1950's!!!

OMG this obviousley proves that video games lead to the fact that kids dont commit crimes!! But unfortunatley you cant prove that because of all the other factors come into play, just like JT can't (and neither can the other of million dollar backed researches) prove a link between violent video games and teen-violence. Dont believe his "casual link", video game violence (just like rock music,DnD and tv shows before it) have never been linked in any concrete way to violence.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 12:51PM (Unverified) said

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First off, Manhunt was a good game. Plug in a headset, it got much better.

Second, most retailers have an age based lockout in their registers. Toys R Us even has the policy of never stocking m-rated games on the lower shelves. Hell, most parents (from when I worked retail) never cared about the ESRB rating, or were offended when you pointed it out to them.

Third, John Carmack said it best, when he was dragged into court during a Doom trial.

Prosecutor: Well what do you say to the parents who have bought this game for their children?

John Carmack: I didn't make the game for your fucking children and I think it should be your parenting skills on trial here, not a game they should have never played. After all, do you buy beer and complain at Budweiser when your ten year old goes to school drunk?
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:38PM (Unverified) said

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I completely agree with poster #1 that the first Manhunt was absolute garbage and that a second one should never have been made, but the beauty of living in the United States is that we are free to choose whether or not we will purchase a game, and my choice, and I hope alot of your choices, will be to not purchase Manhunt II and send Take-Two a message.

Having said that, Jack Thompson needs to retire and move into an old folks home already. He is so far behind the the times that it is sickening. To this day he is probably still against rock and roll.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 1:51PM (Unverified) said

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I hope he does something wrong and lands himself in jail. This guy makes a living by being a complete idiot.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 2:02PM (Unverified) said

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I want to play "Grand Theft Thompson" where I can be a super lawyer (like crackdown cops) and jump around smashing game companies and scaring innocent adults.

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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 2:27PM (Unverified) said

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Try downloading "Defamation of Character: A Jack Thompson Murder Simulator." It's a mod for GTA: San Andreas and it involves all those things.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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@18

The bible also says that the personal sacrifice for "the kingdom of heaven" that Jesus talked about when he told his disciples, "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it" was to castrate oneself.
Tragically, every year there are reported cases of Christian followers mutilating themselves because "the bible tells me so."
On the bright side, it looks like Jack isn't going to heaven.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 7:05PM teejaykay said

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I don't think banning sales of M-rated games to minors is a necessarily bad thing; after all, that's already the policy in a lot of major retailers. It's the way Jack is going about it that makes everyone hate him: he makes a lot of false claims and insults everyone who disagrees with him. And the other big problem is, he doesn't want to stop there. If the comments he's made about the horrors of video games are any indication, he basically wants a ban on virtually all games for all ages. Just look at some of the insane stuff he's said:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson

Also, to those who say we should ignore Jack, that's not going to solve the problem. He'll still be covered by the mainstream media. But if the video game media continues to cover him at least people will be able to see both sides of the story.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 7:44PM (Unverified) said

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"As any reader can see, the player can plunge a syringe into the eye of his foes and removes their testicles."

Wouldn't it be easier to remove them with a knife? ;)

And BTW, only some Canadian provinces have laws restricting the sale of violent videogames, and they aren't exactly the centres of Canadian culture.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 9:05PM Lamppost said

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STOP.
REPORTING.
ON.
JACK.
THOMPSON.

Every time you post like this, he gains credibility he does not have. The man is no more a violent video-game activist than the hobos who sleep in my local park. He is a publicity-seeking, attention-starved jackass and should be treated as such.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 10:38PM (Unverified) said

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@41
"I don't think banning sales of M-rated games to minors is a necessarily bad thing; after all, that's already the policy in a lot of major retailers."

Actually, 17-year-olds are classified as minors. Jack wants to equate M-rated games to AO, which won't happen until R-rated movies are equated to X and the Bible is equated to erotic literature.
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Posted: Mar 11th 2007 10:58PM teejaykay said

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"Actually, 17-year-olds are classified as minors. Jack wants to equate M-rated games to AO, which won't happen until R-rated movies are equated to X and the Bible is equated to erotic literature."

I'm not sure what your point is about 17-year-olds being minors. Perhaps the age at which people should be allowed to purchase M-rated should be a few years lower than that, but that's a subject for another discussion.

Here Jack is suggesting that M-rated games should not be sold to minors. However, that does not make them equivalent to AO-rated games, because games rated "AO" simply aren't stocked by major retailers at all.
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Posted: Mar 12th 2007 1:06PM (Unverified) said

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Jack Thompson is a joke. I'm thoroughly sick of this guy using violent video games as his personal tool to getting into the public eye, and I'm doubly sick of him blaming the games on all violent crimes that are committed by teens these days. I'm a pacifist and I've been playing the most violent games out there since I was little. Anyone remember splatterhouse? Plenty of blood in that one. You basically play a Jason Voorhees rip off and kill lots of stuff in a very blood way.

How's that different than what we play today? How's it different from manhunt? Sure Manhunt looks better graphically and probably has a bit of story thrown in there soewhere... but it's essentially the same thing. and all us kids who played Splatterhouse turned out all right. I play Grand Theft Auto and I'm all right.

Jack thompson is probably one of the only people in the media today that I can truly say deserves to die, simply so that no one would have to put up with his crap anymore.

I really hope he chokes on some food item, or gets mauled by a bear or something. The guy needs to go.
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Posted: Mar 12th 2007 3:20AM (Unverified) said

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"There is nothing wrong with M rated games and children playing them." - Yashar

And there's the problem right there. Some people here think it's okay to just let the minors play M-rated games (probably because they are minors; probably even think "hey I've been playing violent games for years and I'm totally well adjusted") and yet will automatically lay blame on the parents and when something goes wrong.

I find it odd that many of the comments when concerning topics like this many people are always against any restrictions as to who retailers sell these games to (i.e. ID and such requirements) or the kind of contents developers make and then afterwards make accusations against parents for their supposed neglect. Isn't it interesting that the gamer will defend his hobby but ultimately doesn't want either restrictions nor liabilities for playing such games (i.e. whenever the government or the parent cry foul over something). Government says minors shouldn't play such games, gamers say NO; parents cry foul of such games being played by their children, gamer say it's parents fault for not paying attention. You can't have it both ways. You can't be allowed to play these little loopholes of parents buying games you want and then act like they're "suckers" for being uninitiated. Mind you I'm not saying their aren't terribly irresponsible or uninformed parents out there, I just think there's some double standard in some of the arguments people make here.

Anyway, I don't see why this is so hard. You're a minor, you don't get to buy or play such games, parents should be aware of this, retailers should enforce it. Short of big brother having a mature game and letting little brother borrow it, I don't see how much more we can ask for. As for Manhunt, I don't know what makes it stand out more than the rest of "mature" games, but I find it rather unsettling. I mean Jack Thompson hasn't gone after games like Resident Evil with such resolve so what is it about GTA and Manhunt? Well, perhaps it's the more torture-esque way the killing is done. This isn't just shooting opposing human soldiers, mutants, aliens, or zombies, the kills are more sadistic. Plastic paper bag over someone's head, gouging eyeballs, etc. are far more sadistic by my definition and far more upclose and personal (being a stealth game and all). GTA even has those sleeping with hookers and then killing them to get the money back. That's pretty sadistic too I think. Maybe I'm a hypocrite in a sense I guess. Some form of videogame violence (i.e. MGS, RE, etc.) are okay with me while other are just way out there, and I don't mean in a fantasy setting either, I mean more in a real world manner (let's just say guns are not as easy to access than some platic bag, and that's just more terrifying to me if that's the thing being shown to kids, or adults for that matter).
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Posted: Mar 12th 2007 3:33AM (Unverified) said

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People have said they've played violent games when they were young but I think there's another factor involved in that. Playing games like, say, Contra isn't exactly the same as playing some games we play today. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall Jack Thompson going after GTA 1&2, so obviously bringing in more realistic looking graphics is a big part of it and it's just going to look more realistic. Will there be a point in time when a game shows you strangling some woman and it looks so real and you think "okay that's too far for me?"
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Posted: Mar 12th 2007 3:53AM (Unverified) said

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Last thing. I wanted to ask, if gaming ever hits the level of those holodecks from Star Trek, will you be comfortable with playing a game like Manhunt or GTA? If we're that close the realism where the difference is a matter of it being a real person or a very convincing computer generated being, will your morals kick in? And where do you finally draw the line?
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