Custard's revenge.

The whole "make games available for review by parents" just screams "free rentals" in my mind. Ah government, we take one step forward, three steps back.

Anyone know where i can pick up a game containing these elements? These are all the things im interested in, and ive been looking for a game containing them for a while.

FYI, its not bestiality, its inner species erotica. People these days.

"glamorizes the commission of a violent crime, suicide, sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism"

Holy crap where can I get that game... well besides Japan.

I don't see how the movie and music industry are able to get away with murder, sex, drug use, and possible rape in some circles, but if it's in a game it's the worst offense? Whoever makes these laws must not know that most gamers are adults from 18-34 and even older.

In Persona 3, don't you have to shoot yourself in the head with a gun to summon your personas?

As for something that's not ancient and actually released in North America, there was Kana – Little Sister, which deals with incest. Of course "none of the game's endings specifically condones or condemns incest. Those judgments are left to the player." Even so, incest seemed to be a pretty minor theme in the overall game.

What about games you create, like for the PC?

See, it's shit like this that makes me despise politicians.

@ #9

I've got to agree with you. Don't politicans have more pressing issues to deal with? You know, real rape, drugs, and murder.

Also, what's with including sodomy in the list of things? They might as well just say 'We hate gays!'

It's just another step attempt at protecting children from games the parents shouldn't have bought for them anyway.

Anybody else getting a whiff of fascism? First they will "confiscate" games, then they will ban games, and then they will burn games. Just like the Nazis did to books. One can just hope history won't repeate itself on that subject.

Alan, I hate to burst your bubble, but sodomy's rough definition is just having sex in any other way that doesn't promote procreation. (even though God deemed it necessary to kill fetuses... huh)

Which means, oral, anal, all types of sexual stimulation that involves two people that does not or is not intended for or promote procreation is considered sodomy.

Attention politicians. Video games are speach. Putting this kind of restriction on speach is unconstitutional.

By saying you are going to confiscate video games that are unrated that is like saying you are going to take away films that are unrated too. So does that mean you are going to take away Independent films that arn't rated by the MPAA.

The whole idea behind this law is preposterous and it clearly violates the first amendment.

it's nice to see that with all these other minor problems chipping away at our country's foundation (immigration, social security, deficit, etc), our politicians still manage to focus on the real issues...

I swear, Kolb and every other politician like him should be dragged out into the f*cking street in the middle of night and shot...

I think that they should outlaw all military-based games, as they glamorize activities that directly lead to government-sanctioned real world death and destruction. How many people have died as a result of random acts of violence since March of 2003, as compared to the number that have died as a result of the Iraq war? How many high school dropouts have enlisted as a result of playing "America's Army" at the county fair? I think games glamorizing military action have a far greater risk of leading to actual damage, and the kind of damage that lives on for decades. As for the actual law being discussed here, a judge will first amendment the shit out of it and it will be a non-issue. But nice try New York politician land. Maybe try passing that law in an idiotic red state rather than a forward-thinking blue one.

WTF NO.

"Don't politicans have more pressing issues to deal with?"

Some people are so narrow-minded. Nintendo is not working exclusively on the Popularity Channel, Microsoft is not working exclusively on Zephyr, and politicians are not working exclusively on game legislation.

It's nice to see how politicians are really taking a stand against those evil video game makers looking to warp the minds of the american youth, I mean with all the terrorists out there looking to kill americans, suicidal maniacs & real murderers in our own country, rapists, drug dealers and third world countries looking to aquire nukes and all to wipe north america off the map its hard to imagine a world with violent video games.

Sodomy? What century is this? So any game featuring homosexual relationships is suddenly considered "pornographic"? "Come children, want to see what the dark ages looks like?"

It surprises me that the wording of the bill hasn't stopped the thing dead in its tracks. In Canada, including "sodomy" would have the thing immediately struck down by the supreme court as it would be in violation of the charter of rights. (Assuming it would even get passed parliament - not likely)

Oh America... no offense to any Americans here but as a foreigner you're political sphere is like watching monkeys fling poo at each other. Fun to watch, assuming there's no splash back.

Every Extend Extra glamourizes suicide.

@20

The bill isn't law yet. It's just in the process of becoming one. If it does become one, you can be sure it'll get stopped by courts.

Same thing for Canada. Laws do not get sent to courts unless they are actually passed.

@6
Yeah, you do. The trailer features the characters shooting themselves in the heads, even. Looks like Atlus is screwed in crazy old New York!

uhm, ok.
don't sell games with extreme violence or sex to underage kids, and keep them behind the counter.
these games don't exist unless they are PC games.
and those are sold online more often anyways or don't have a retail hard copy.
this is pretty much pointless and effects like 5 games.
the real question is:
does the house or reps REALLY have nothing better to do?

Wait, so what about games that came out before the rating system was introduced. Will the government be able to confiscate A store's entire used NES line?

Next they do this with R rated movies.

You hear child welfare angencies crying about lack of funds and staffing every time they let some ACTUAL kids ACTUALLY die. Why aren't these political goons working to fix that ACTUAL problem instead of fucking around with a non-issue that they know nothing about and can't effect any change in anyway?

THAT'S why Barbie's Horse Adventure was behind the counter...

They won't remove R-rated movies. The MPAA has *way* more money to give politicians than the ESRB.

Do any Star Wars original trilogy games apply? I know Luke didn't know Leia was his sister yet, but that kiss on Hoth *totally* counts...

Another vote grabber law that'll get tossed in the courts. Though New York taxes its' residents enough to pay for the eventual payment of ESA royalty fees...

I think that this is the first time in the media that I've ever encountered this situation. When a nationally-obscure politician proposes a ridiculous piece of legislation the politician's party affiliation is hidden if they are a democRat in an attempt to shield that party from unfavorable news. If they are a Republican then their party affiliation is mentioned in the first couple sentences or the article's title. I think budding young journalists learn this technique in their mandantory Bias 101 course in college.

I honestly can't remember the last time I read an article about a Republican politician proposing a stupid piece of legislation without their party affiliation being mentioned. This is truly a bizarre situation to me.

I'm quick to bring this up on Joystiq when they are guilty of this little trick, so it's only fair for me to tuck my tail between my legs when they break this rigid rule of journalism.

Look, what I do with my Nintendogs in the privacy of my own home is my business!

This could cause a problem... unless they explicitly mention a date, this could ban games published before ratings were normal- all but one NES game, a lot of Super NES games, Master System, various Atari systems, etc.

Fine with me. Terrorists already confiscated their towers.

... As for glamorizing suicide, Mortal Kombat did it with the Hara Kiri.

I think it was Nintendamus that said, "He who starts by burning games will end by burning men."

Two things:

"FYI, its not bestiality, its inner species erotica. People these days."

That is inter-species erotica, dumbass. *inner* species would mean having sex with your own species.


"How many high school dropouts have enlisted as a result of playing "America's Army" at the county fair?"

I could be wrong, but isn't a high school diploma (or at least a GED) a requirement for enlistment? I think they only recently started allowing people with GED's to enlist...

ok. #37 kip, who gives a shit? you understood what he was talking about didn't you? then why the hell does it matter? i'm sure there are plenty of english/grammar blogs out there for you since you care so much about it.

anyway, i wonder if demos and such with a RP (Rating Pending) sticker on them will cause magazines and free give-aways to stop, since Rating Pending technically means it hasn't been rated yet.

and isn't this the parents job anyway? to keep track of what their kids are playing? it's crazy these days. i remember my younger cousin walked in on me playing GTA: San Andreas one time. he was watching from behind me, never knew he was in the room until the last minute. i promptly shut it off after that. he went and told his mom he wanted it. she went right out and bought it for him without asking any questions. he was 8 at the time. then she got mad at me for letting him see it. i feel like if she doesn't want him to play games like that then she should read the rating on it. she does the same thing with movies too. all they need is an ESRB awareness campaign on TV or something and it will help immensely.

Splinter wrote: "FYI, its not bestiality, its inner species erotica. People these days."

Actually, it's interspecies erotica. Like interstate trafficking relates to transporting goods between two states, interspecies erotica is about in flagrante between two different species.

I know it's an older game, but under this wording, sounds to me like dungeon keeper would be treated as contraband with tighter store security than handguns.