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Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 3:09PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a girl gamer, but I don't think its the games that scare girls away, I think its the men playing em. Whenever I go to a tournament, people always treat me like a different species or go too easy on me cause I'm a girl. Its just how males treat females in games.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 11:06AM (Unverified) said

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I always wait for the lowest price on a game or a used game, but used games MUST be in complete condition with a reasonable condition disk or cart. I do NOT consider the used games gamestop sells as quality used games. The common trend among female shoppers in general is that we like to get the best deal and we do not like to be pushed around by employees because the employees think they can sucker us into more extras just because we are females. As for me I just carry this over to my game shopping.

The reason girls don't like to go into ebgames or gamestop is simple, the clerks treat us like girls and like we do not know anything about games, its kind of like a girl going to buy a car, or a girl going to buy something like.. hunting equipment or something else that is primarily male orientated. Then they automatically try to sell us everything in the store like we are a soccer mom just looking for a game for our kid, and they ALWAYS assume a female is buying a game as a gift for someone else, and not for herself. If employees of retail and game stores in general would ditch the stereotype that all females know nothing about games (hello best buy: we stereotype all customers based on the system we invented!), we wouldn't be having this discussion. But that is part of the reason why females don't play games, they just feel intimidated when going into a game store to try and buy games.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 2:22AM (Unverified) said

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they don't buy games, but they have lots of force feedback controllers they play with

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 4:09AM (Unverified) said

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Why does it seem that girl gamers need some huge form of customization and user created content in their games? All the girl gamers I know play stuff like The Sims and fighting games to death simply because you can create your own character and build him/her up. Is an actual main character you play as too much to demand?

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 8:47AM (Unverified) said

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isn't it sort of ironic to talk about getting the female demographic and then argue that there is no female demographic, just lots of demographics that might include women?

also, isn't the whole jrpg genre designed around story driven stories with stories? incidentally, i'd go so far as to say that the genre is wildly popular with the ladies.

is it impossible that maybe it's a biological factor that drives the women away from gaming? i mean, can it really be impossible? it's a poor excuse to just say it's biology and stop marketing, but is it really impossible?

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 8:57AM (Unverified) said

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52. Any girl that plays games is beautiful in my book...on the inside at least.

Posted at 6:21AM on Mar 22nd 2007 by Wulkar

reminds me of a famous quote:

"There is no such thing as bad pussy. Any of you ladies out there in the audience think you have bad pussy, meet me after the show and let me give you a Second Opinion." --Richard Pryor

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 9:45AM (Unverified) said

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"Having said that, if "Game Girls" are a diverse group, why can't they just STFU and play the same games that guy gamers play?"

Yes, because we're all lining up to make statements about "what girl gamers want". Get a clue. Most of us DO get on with it and just play the same games everyone else does. I don't want anything different from what "guy gamers" want. I want good games. I have no interest in games marketed towards girls or that try to involve girls, I want the same things from a game that everyone else does.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 4:13PM (Unverified) said

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Oh jeeze. I'm a girl and I've been a gamer my whole life, and I think I can thank my Grandparents who ruled at Super Mario and Bowling for that one.

I named my cat Samus Aryan and own a ton of the old systems.

www.myspace.com/cherztothelimit I even dedicate my myspace page to the awesomeness that is gaming.

So thanks to guys who aren't jerks about girls who play video games, you should embrace the competition ;)

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 1:59PM (Unverified) said

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@51

I think the reason girls really like games where you can create your own character is becasue it gives you the option to play as a female. Granted, there are games out there with a feamle main protagonist but *most* of them are wearing a tight tee-shirt and hotpants or golden pasties. I understand guys like that stuff, I gotta say I played Butcher Bay becasue I didn't mind the view of Vin Diesel's guns, so I understand if you're gonna be staring at someones butt for 5 hours might as well be a sexy butt. However, if 90% of male protagonists were wearing nothing but pastel bannana hammocks on the packaging and in the game, I doubt many dudes would wanna be seen in line at best buy with that box.

Posted: Mar 22nd 2007 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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"Just because a Barbie video is made for a 12 year old girl, doesn't mean a 26 year woman has to play it."

Neither does a 12 year old; some of them have some taste too.

Posted: Mar 24th 2007 2:25PM (Unverified) said

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Oh ew. I hate this argument, if only because I can’t seem to stop myself from joining the fray.

I am –gasp- a girl, and I am –gasp- attractive. Now, I’m not saying this out of any sort of ego, but because denying is asinine when I damn well know I am. Playing video games is something I have, and likely always, enjoy. It royally pisses me off when I hear this inane bullshit about how gamers, female or otherwise, have to be hideous and social idiots or peons. Especially since I’ve known my fair share of both sides.

Ever considered that perhaps the reason the hot gamers are such a rare commodity isn’t because we don’t exist, but because we chose to keep it our dirty little secret? Or that when we do step up, we are met with two responses: mockery from the non-gamers since we have just established ourselves as the un-chic ‘nerd’ and the disbelief or prejudice from the gaming community itself [i.e. the earlier comment about the Frag Dolls being ‘fake’.]

Tch. Please. You want to know some gaming hotties, you have to grow up and get over your blatant biases first.

Posted: Mar 26th 2007 10:59AM (Unverified) said

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Hi - I'm Sheri Graner Ray and I was on the panel mentioned. Just wanted to address a couple points...

1. "Girl games are shallow."
This is because the industry redefined the entire female market as a genre of "fashion shopping and makeup for girls ages 6-10."

There's nothing wrong with games about fashion, shopping and makeup aimed at the 6-10 year old girl market. It's certainly a valid market, but it's silly to say that one type of game is enough to satisfy the entire market of women. That's a bit like saying "all people in Japan play only flight simulators."

If you are going to make games for women.. you have to target ... just like you do when you make games for any other market segment. And it has very little to do with genre. It's understanding how women approach technology and using that to make your games more appealing to that market.

2. "Why don't we just make better games for everyone?"
That would be great.. if we did it. But we don't. We keep making better games for exactly the SAME market - the 15-25 year old, white, male, hardcore gamer.

And that means we keep making games with tremendous barriers to access for women. Believe it or not.. it has very little to do with "too much gore!"

It has to do with everything from the artwork on the box cover, to the punishment/reward model, to the structure of the tutorial. These are the types of things we have to address if we want to attract those women who aren't playing our games currently.

By continuing to focus so narrowly on the same market we will cut our own throats. That market is saturated. If we want to expand and grow as an industry, we have to expand our audience. ... and that doesn't mean putting Doom in a pink box!!! It means understanding what barriers are in our titles today and addressing them!

3. Women don't like FPS (strategy games, war games, action games, fighting games..... etc) so why even try to get them to play them?

We can't say that. We have SO many barriers in these games that prevent women from even TRYING them, we can not say they don't like them! You can't say "women don't like Kentucky Fried Chicken" if you've never let them in the restaurant to try it!

Anyway.. thank you for your article and watch for the Women in Games International event that will be happening in Austin in conjunction with the Austin Game Conference. You can find out more at http://www.womeningamesinternational.org. Stop by and say hi! :)

-Sheri

Posted: Mar 30th 2007 1:50PM (Unverified) said

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I am a girl who has always played games. I started out on Super Nintendo way back when, then went to a Play Station, Nintendo 64, X-box, and computers. I play Donkey Kong, to WOW, to Star Wars kotor, with many in-between. My fiance and I try to find games that we can play together, I think if there were more games that people could play together other than racing or fighting ones, and if game developers would allow you to choose to be a female or male in any kind of a game it would attract more females to gaming.

Posted: Apr 17th 2007 3:34AM (Unverified) said

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uummmm what the fuck??
Gamer girls r ugly??

maybe this is tru in general, but i love video games and have ever since i was 10. what got me hooked?
zelda OOT.
me and by best frend were like obsessed with it!!
im now almost 18 and i own a wii and i love it!! i always played DOA on xbox and tekken on ps2 wif my bf etc... me n my currnt bf play video games all the time.
and ..im not ugly!! (or so the popular opinion of a few thousand tells... and all the boys at work..) people r pretty suprised 2 hear im a gamer. none of my gfs like games.. but i do. heres a link 2 my myspace if u want proof (pics etc) lol...
www.myspace.com/dancagirl222

and for someone to say that girls dont wana play games coz of the stereotype.. thats soo fucking lame....!!!!! fuck that shit my mum got me a N64 when i was 9 and i didnt give a thought to it being "boyish." and ever since then i have always loved video games and people love me regardless. i sterotypes my ass. other chicks judt dont no what they r missing they 2 too concerned with shopping.

guys actually think its hot that im a gamer, if anything. probz becuz i look like a typical pretty girl.
if u add me 2 myspace msg me so i so ur from this forum coz im private.

Posted: Apr 17th 2007 3:39AM (Unverified) said

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so yeah this is from a real female gamer.. who is NOT ugly and meanwhile i go 2 parties every weekend and have a shit load of friends... its funny the nerds actually get dumb founded when i start chatting 2 them coz im ur typical "hot -popular- girl next door" looking-chik then im like "omg ur from japan!! do u like manga?? i draw it really well and i lovvee videogames i soo wana go 2 japan they hav madd anime conventions!!!" O.o

i dnt care what people think- videogames and anime are FUCKING SICK. i score many points with boys becoz of it 2, i dnt care if its acceptable or not. that will never keep me away from my wii controller. im gona go complete the sky temple in TP now.

www.myspace.com/dancagirl222

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