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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 11:40AM (Unverified) said

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I'm wondering why they can't just get it sponsored again like the last pack?

Personally, I'm willing to wait until they're free, but I know people who won't...
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:24PM Bender said

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I posted this exact same thing at the 'stiq:

Give one good reason why this content should be free? It costs resources to put this on Live, maintain the service, distribute it, etc. and even if it didnt they have something you want - supply and demand, free market economy all that jazz. If it made the product unusable then I would have an issue, but this is a bonus, nothing more. You guys must have gotten retard in your easter basket instead of chocolate.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 11:46AM Neon Jebus said

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I'm starting to wonder why it is I still have to pay for Xbox Live just to have to pay for almost every piece of content as well.

Much like the *new* media blade which will have it's own 'skin' or to call it what it will really be 'advertising'. Oh look at all the good things to come!
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 11:49AM Neon Jebus said

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I should add that I don't mind paying for maps or anything else but I shouldn't have to pay for a membership in order to have the ability to pay for content or play multiplayer.

I just don't like the feeling of being double dipped...
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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Yeah. I'm not buying Rein's statements.

It sounds like he's trying to maintain Epic's stance as a "gamer's buddy" than just admit they are willing to sell the maps to line their pockets. Wasn't there numbers floating around that a developer can pocket as much as 70% of the profits from marketplace sales? (Less if Microsoft has a bigger hand in it)

I doubt anyone can make a real argument for not paying for the maps based on the quality of the previous ones either.

I'm just sick of developers running their mouth off, but not sticking to their guns. If they really wanted us to have these for free from the get-go, he should have shown them off to the media and said "Too bad guys. We're not going to release these unless you, the gaming community, can put pressure on Microsoft to make them free."
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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i dont think people would have a problem with payin for the maps if epic didnt want it to be free
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:02PM (Unverified) said

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I also think that people will pay for the maps in a second, even if they are pissed about it. I certainly don't mind shelling out a few bucks for some new maps.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:37PM (Unverified) said

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is any one else getting tired of being nickle and dimed? cause I'am, $180 dollars for a 120gb hard drive, $5 dollars for 2 maps, this whole point thing were it seems i'm alway left with extra points that i don't ever seem to use on anything...
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:06PM (Unverified) said

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whats the big deal, if you want the new maps pay for it, if not, then don't. I like free content as well, but if its something you want go ahead and pay for it. It's better than them not making any new downloadable content at all....
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:05PM (Unverified) said

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f'in money whores... they already rape us with the cost of the console, and all the accessories. $60/game instead of the traditional $50. XBox Live $50/year... plus XBLA games, and marketplace movies... it makes me sick when I add up how much money I've spent on all of this...

The greed is unquenchable... why can't there be a good game company that has a main goal of producing great games at a reasonable price... cuz this is insane...

I know the maps won't probably cost that much... but it's just the fact that we have to pay for every little thing that gets released.

and on another note... anyone wanna buy my 20gb hard drive? so i can get a 120gb?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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I already posted this on joystiq, but I'll reiterate here:

It's Microsoft's store. In order for a store to stay in business it needs to make money.

Just like at the grocery store, they mark up the price of your Cocoa Puffs so that the store can stay in business. It's the way the economy works. Sure, it would be great if everything in the world were free, but that's just not reality.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:15PM DjDATZ said

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this is bullshit...if epic wants to release the maps for free...why is microsoft such a profit-whoring little bitch and not letting them do it?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:23PM Neon Jebus said

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Alright Les Doodis, I'll bite.

So I give you credit in trying to make people think of the service as more or less a physical store.

That would make Gold membership similar to membership to say Sams Club or CostCo. So far...no big issue there.

But with membership usually comes 'perks'. It can be free stuff every now and again or it can be everyday discounts on all content. Gold members don't get either of those really. Most 'free' content is usually advertising.

Also, the pricing issue you raise brings some other questions to mind as far as fair pricing across the board. Map packs and other additional gaming content seems fair game to charge for as long as the pricing is fair.

Again, I agree with your points here but a good share of content available is already overpriced. Themes and Gamerpics come quick to mind. Mainly because you can't often get to see what you are buying first. The Xbox website doesn't update their 'Themes and Pics' often enough.

And the pricing of TV shows still rubs me a bit because for around the same price I can 'own' shows via iTunes. The 'rental' pricing is set just a touch too high for me. But that is personal preference because clearly many, many people think the pricing is just fine the way it is.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 5:01PM (Unverified) said

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We were just debating this here at work. Microsoft wants people to buy more 'Microsoft Points'. Gamers can't buy the exact amount of MS points the DLC cost so Microsoft turns a profit on each gamer that buys MS-points.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:28PM Wickerman22 said

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I have no problem paying for extra maps for GoW. We were fortunate enough to get 2 maps and a new upcoming gametype for free. This is Microsoft's business model and plan for the future so get used to it or go "Home"
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:28PM (Unverified) said

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The game has sold millions! They've made enough money already! The maps should be free!
It would be a different if it was a game that was struggling to make sales!

If it costs, I'm not sure I'll bother buying.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:30PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, I do agree that people forget the fact that this bandwidth costs money. What exactly is MS's interest in giving this for free with a game that's already sold millions of copies? Essentially putting 4 big maps out for free guarantees them at least 100s of thousands of downloads... That costs a LOT of money, as anyone with a website could probably attest to.

I'd rather they'd be free to, but MS is a business, they're not my buddy. I don't think this nullifies Rein's statements either. Epic isn't exactly going to get a huge ROI for what they're doing.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:31PM Neon Jebus said

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Paul,

I often see advertising for some new crappy movie when I log into Xbox Live. I pay for a membership to that service and have blade after blade of advertising of movies. This isn't "Hey we want you to know there are new things to buy here on XBL". This is advertising to go out and see some film in theatres.

Where does the money from that advertising go? Microsoft didn't let the companies but ads on there free of charge.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:32PM Bender said

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Ciaran - that makes no sense - if a game is struggling then there is no demand - so the supply should be free.

If a game is selling TONS then demand is high and therefore you can charge.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:33PM Bender said

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Joshua,

Sure! But they are a business! Their DUTY to their stock holders is to turn a profit. The fact that there are advertisements is no reason for them not to have the right to charge for something.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:34PM (Unverified) said

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"Give one good reason why this content should be free?"

Because it's Epic's intellectual property and they can do whatever the hell they please with it. If they want to pay me to download it, then that's the way it should be.

Microsoft is already covering their costs of operating XBL, incl. downloads, by charging all of us $50 / year.

Microsoft is just trying to train us like Pavlov's dogs to accept that all content, horse armor included, costs money. It can't be any more transparent than this.

What I don't understand is why some consumers reading about this are so quick to jump in Microsoft's defense over DLC pricing. It's just mind boggling. Why don't you go to your local supermarket and demand they raise the price of beer while you're at it? I mean, those poor supermarket people gotta make a living somehow, too, right?

Even better, form a Corporate Charity through which people could directly donate money to corporations of all kinds. I bet it'd be very popular.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:35PM (Unverified) said

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the point is... they don't need the money. We already pay for live, and have paid for the game. They just want MORE money because they're greedy f'in money whores...
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:39PM Bender said

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"Because it's Epic's intellectual property and they can do whatever the hell they please with it. If they want to pay me to download it, then that's the way it should be."
And they please to let Microsoft distribute it over xboxlive and that is the bottom line - their decisions stop there.

"the point is... they don't need the money. We already pay for live, and have paid for the game. They just want MORE money because they're greedy f'in money whores..."

Greed makes the world go 'round... get used to it... If there wasnt greed nothing would get done... ever.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:41PM Bender said

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"What I don't understand is why some consumers reading about this are so quick to jump in Microsoft's defense over DLC pricing. It's just mind boggling. Why don't you go to your local supermarket and demand they raise the price of beer while you're at it? I mean, those poor supermarket people gotta make a living somehow, too, right?"
If they were giving it away for free I wouldnt bitch if they decided to start charging...
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:46PM (Unverified) said

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So what is the advantage of us being XBL Gold Members?

What the heck is going on at Microsoft? They cram DRM down our throats with Vista while Steve Jobs is taking it away. They want us to pay for service to pay for downloads.

Talk about the sad realization. I'm coming to it.

I know that it costs money for the bandwith and servers, but come on, a pay subscription to pay for a download? Why don't they tax it as well? And while they're at it, tax the tax, and put a service charge on the taxing of the tax.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:50PM (Unverified) said

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"Greed makes the world go 'round... get used to it... If there wasnt greed nothing would get done... ever."

To say something that stupid on just after Easter is just the definition of irony.

Mr. Microsoft shareholder...how's that MS server business doing these days? Wouldn't want those greedy Linux developers get all the money, right?

Seriously, you need to get those bill gates blinders off your eyes, it's clouding your judgment.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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Free, not free, I'm tired of it already.

My question is, if they are already done, and they've decided on a course of action, when can I get them?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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"You guys must have gotten retard in your easter basket instead of chocolate."

Wow... most hilarious comment I've read in a long time.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 4:08PM jtrjuwrue5iiejie5ijeie3i5 said

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People love to bitch, bitch, bitch when it comes to games like Gears of War.
The only reason the last maps were free was because the Discovery Channel bought them out as advertisement for their television show.
Like they said, developing and distributing costs a lot of money.
So we have to pay 2, 3, maybe even 4 bucks.
If you love the game, whats the big deal?
Its in a pack of 4, its not like theyre making you pay for each map.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 1:41PM (Unverified) said

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Its funny to see all these fanatics rush to MS's side. What are you thier side kicks? You're probably the same bunch that rushes to defend them no matter what the uproar is about.
Anyways, the content should be free. End of story. I get sick of being milked for every dime they can get thier hands on. MS makes more money in a day then I would probably make in ten years time. I pay 50 a year just to play on-line. There are no member benefits I get. I paid over 700 bux for a console including accessories. Each game is 60 a pop. And I even bought a couple lame Arcade games. When is enough enough for these people? If Epic wants them to be free they should be free, but not just for that reason. MS will lose nothing if they are free. Sure they charge and get a tiny bit richer, but not enough to force the issue.
We pay more than other consoles over all when you think about it. I want these maps but I will not pay for them. Maybe eventually theyll be free and Ill gladly wait until then. I wish more people would do the same, maybe that would sort of send a message to MS. They dont NEED this money. They are just a greedy empire who will screw its loyal consumers in a heart beat. They get thier money. People actually buy themes/gamer pics for some dumb reason. People actually pay for those TV shows/Movies that you can easily just TIVO, watch on cable/internet for free, or rent, ect. So MS is getting thier money. There is no need to charge for these maps and bonus content. You need to learn to treat your fans better than this.
Lastly, people say its only a few bux. But you know a few bux here, a few there. It adds up.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 1:22PM (Unverified) said

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Keeping the cost of the maps very inexpensive, while allowing the maps to eventually be free after a short time period has passed seems like a great strategy. That way, the people who are interested in the game enough to pay for the maps right away will do so, while the people who can't afford the maps will eventually be able to play them for free. That seems like a great business strategy.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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Wow... Micro$oft is pushing it, pay for this pay for that - Give us a break, stop being greedy.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 2:18PM (Unverified) said

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Xbox360 Fanboys Which console did you use to say that was the most expensive...hahahaha(tons of fanboyism)Jail MS ..... Sorry..... Hail Ms?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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I think i can wait afew month when i really think about it. I'm already moven onto other games to play with more games coming out very soon. So after afew month i may just look and see if there free and get them. Until than i sure can wait it out!
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 2:44PM (Unverified) said

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"So what is the advantage of us being XBL Gold Members?

What the heck is going on at Microsoft? They cram DRM down our throats with Vista while Steve Jobs is taking it away. They want us to pay for service to pay for downloads.

Talk about the sad realization. I'm coming to it.

I know that it costs money for the bandwith and servers, but come on, a pay subscription to pay for a download? Why don't they tax it as well? And while they're at it, tax the tax, and put a service charge on the taxing of the tax."

the advantage is multiplayer, and silver accounts can buy anything on marketplace, they just wont be able to play online with it. And heres a little trick, when something comes out on marketplace, you dont have to buy it. I know, i know it sounds crazy, but it is in fact true.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 2:51PM (Unverified) said

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I think developers who want stuff to be free (Epic is by no means the only one) need to start standing up to MS. Refuse to create downloadable content, themes, gamertiles, etc. The only way a company can stop focusing on pure greed is to spend a while getting absolutely nothing and learn to appreciate what you do get. What we need is a huge game like Quake Wars coming out and id telling Microsoft content will be 100% free or they can settle for a Vista port and kiss the 360 version goodbye. We already pay $50 a year on top of our ISP bills to play these games online. So don't shit all over us and ask another chunk everytime a fucking map comes out that the PC gamer gets for free from a million mirror download sources if not the official website.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 3:31PM (Unverified) said

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Bravo Pixelantes Anonymous! If Epic wants to provide free content MS should allow them. I pay $50 a year for the "expense" of distribution of content, content which is already subsidized by all the advertising which will only increase with the "unique" backgrounds of the Marketplace tab.

To Paul - I could care less about their so-called "duty" to their shareholders. I do care about their "duty" to their customers.

Question to ponder: When UT3 comes out for PS3 & 360 and Epic wants to release new maps for free will both companies charge for them or will MS be forced to release them for free if Sony does?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 3:01PM (Unverified) said

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To everyone who complains - I have a solution!
go look for someone who actually cares about your gripes and by that time the maps will be free-then you will have nothing to complain about! works out for everyone!

Lets put it this way, I dont pay for mp3s, I dont pay for movies or TV eps, I hack all my consoles (except the 360) so I dont pay for games or homebrew...I will GLADLY pay for gears of war content without thinking twice about it and have a smile on my face the entire time.

For all the people saying Epic is money hungry...Have you taken the time to think (in your small brain) that developing, testing, certifying, and designing content for ANYTHING is NOT a free process? It takes peoples time, dedication, effort, and knowledge to produce something worth value.

You people make me f'in sick with your hands stretched out waiting for people to drop free stuff while you do little to nothing to contribute back. Im guessing its not just with gears of war, but also in your everyday lives. Some advice (your parents might have forgot to tell you this) Nothing is for free in this world and anything worth having is worth fighting for. Get real and stop expecting handouts from everyone, it makes me sick. So keep your ungreatful mouth shut unless you are saying THANK YOU to those who have worked hard to provide amazing content. Complaining does little to nothing for you except make you sound like a fool.

EPIC youre doing a bangup job and thank you for attempting to release the content for free....I bought a 1600 point card JUST IN CASE about a month ago when I first heard new maps were coming for gears. I will have no regrets spending the entire thing on gears related stuff if I have to. Its the first game worth my time and $$$ in a while...

-BMS has spoken
gamertag "bmsinc" - send me some hate, I love a good laugh
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 3:12PM (Unverified) said

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oh and im sorry to those who do make legitimate counter arguments...i dont mean to sound uneducated (believe it or not I have a masters degree), rash or harsh towards you...however..ignorant people simply stating that epic is money hungry and that people somehow feel they deserve things for free for no real reason should take their whimpering somewhere else...

some people do present valid claims as to why content should be free...im not saying that i want to give all my money away all day to corporations either...i love free stuff - believe me...

i also love gears of war and i simply do not mind paying for additional content EVEN if it will be free in time. this means there is no reason to get all worked up - if you cant afford it then wait. EPIC did what they could and at very least it is ultimately free.

i dont want to discourage or stifle a lively debate in any way. after reading my previous post it sounded a bit rude, but i have little to no tolerance for people making a lifestyle out of an endless supply of freebies. try putting your time into something (anything-music, art, games, academic papers) and see if you think you should give it away to everyone and their grandma for free while eating the cost of distributing it. you might have a different perspective then...
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 5:18PM Scaught said

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I agree with many of the people here in that I wouldn't mind paying for the maps if I wasn't already paying for XBox Live. Someone above said that it is double dipping and I think that is a fair statement.

I often come across multiplayer Gears of War games online where there is lag, echo in the player's voices or no voices alone. I would think at least the price of XBox Live would guarantee me smooth gameplay. Well, that always isn't the case. So what exactly am I getting for my $50 a month? Because it isn't free Maps. Hell, it isn't even free wallpaper.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 3:38PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, Microsoft is losing billions each year in the video game division of their business, and here they are they are trying to recoup some of their losses, advertising and distribution of a game, and your all bitching about losing a couple of bucks?

OH HOLY F*** I just realized that Microsoft was in business to make money!!!!
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 4:28PM (Unverified) said

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Para la banda mexicana que lea esto y los que saben espaƱol!

Es una mierda microsoft quiere aprovecharse del consumidor en lugar de darle cosas para que siga de su lado. estos regalos nunca se olvidan cobrasoft deberia de hacer negocio nadamas con sus rentas de pelicula.

Eso de tener XBL es una mierda por que pago un servicio y me cobran por lo que consumo, estos no regalan nada.

Los de la sony tan dejando mas buenas cosas.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 5:01PM VampireHunterZ said

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You guys are a bunch of assholes. Content does not come from thin air. Someone had to work the hours to create them. Next time you go to work (if you work) tell your boss you want to work for free.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 5:07PM (Unverified) said

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VampireHunter (#42): - EPIC, the content creator in this case WANTS the content to be provided for free. It's Microsoft trying to charge for it. Asshole ;)
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 8:57PM VampireHunterZ said

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@43

You have no business sense. If one company (that sold over 3 million copies of a game) decides to give free content how will it look for the smaller guys. People are going to bitch that some companies are charging while Epic is not. There has to be a standard. And I know that the consensus here is that ALL content should be free. Not every company can afford that. I'm sure Epic is one of the few exceptions.

If you want free stuff go to the Oprah Winfrey Show.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 6:06PM LetsHaveWaffles said

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@Scaught

You pay $50 a MONTH?! Damn.jk Here's how I see it. I'm paid 38 dollars for a 13 month subscribtion. That averages to a total of $2.92 a month. I spend more eating a little amount of food at Burger King everyday, Then I do paying for one month of live. I get free stuff all the time. (South park episode in HD for free, Texas Hold'em, Frogger, Robotron2084, and Joust all free to me. Other shows as well have been free, never DL them but they were free.) (sure the only real good ones were the south park and texas hold'em, whatever)
Point is I see that I get free stuff all time. If I have to pay on 4 dollars, Heaven forbid that's like eating at a fast food restraunt, I have to pay for 4 maps. I understand that epic wants free content, but you know sometimes you have to play by microsoft's rules and that is just the sad truth. All I have to say is if it gives me 4 extra maps then hell I'll pay a 4 dollar charge. All of you can wait for them to be free. I'll be enjoying the maps, while you wait.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 7:03PM h0mi said

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I learned early on that there's little XBLA content that is free. Demos, trailers, or special advertisements disguised as either come to mind as the few examples. (Plus assorted episodes). MS should allow for some content to be free, but no one should expect it.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 8:27PM (Unverified) said

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Hitler told Jews what to wear.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2007 10:18PM Fishface45 said

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I have no problem paying for new maps but I thought I read a while ago that the maps would be free when they came out.. Whatever the case just release these maps already. I'm sick of playing the same boards over and over and over again.
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