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Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:59PM (Unverified) said

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so now the dumb ass is a sociologist? its not as simple as things being cheap .. if that was the case the iPod would have gone into history long ago

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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I'm with Ryan, only I didn't start gaming until 1987

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:51PM (Unverified) said

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I do agree that PC will never dethrone consoles, at least not in a long time. But since they're getting closer and closer to being PCs. It will happen eventually.

5 years is probably waay too short.

@JesseJames

Are you kidding me about the emulation? I can find 1000 websites that give me ROMs for multiple systems. I can buy a controller that's shaped like an SNES or Sega controller and play them that way.

You download one program, and you don't even need to install it. YOu just double click it, and click on file -> Load ROM, and find where you stuck the ROMs.

Don't act like it's a complicated process, because it isn't.

That being said, I prefer the VC because the controller is almost dead on with the SNES controller.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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I pretty much agree with Romero, I had a 360 for over a year before deciding it couldn't replace my PC, I sold it to buy a Wii.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:51PM SSUK said

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Unsucessful person saying outlandish things to get media attention. Same old, same old.

PC will always be ahead of console games, always. But the problem is with the PC is the inconsistancy between computers, developers can make any game for any hardware and minimum system requirement. Meaning upgrading every 6 months to play the latest and graphically greatest games. Where as console games, they're made to a singular specification, it's then just a (well, SHOULD be) a quick throw of the disc into the machine and play.

So while it may be the 'bitch' after a year or so, it'll always be around for these reasons alone.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:52PM (Unverified) said

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This man does speak the truth. Consoles shouldn't be more PC like because they WILL ultimately fail. Instead consoles should be more console like.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:53PM AirIntake said

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"I have a 6 year old machine that still plays all the latest games. The only thing I had to do to it was replace the video card 2 years ago when the fan died on the old one with a $70 Radeon 9600." - Zertoss

A PC from 6 years ago with a video card from 2 years ago playing "all the latest games"? I think you're exaggerating a bit. A 6 year old PC is what, a P3 1Ghz, 1.4 at best? With a Radeon 9600? If the games are playable, they'll certainly look like crap.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:54PM (Unverified) said

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@Plaid Ninja

I'm not saying it's not cumbersome (I have a gaming PC sitting next to my TV with everything already hooked up, with a 360 hooked up with VGA, using a VGA splitter).

You just tried to make it seem like it's not worth the effort, and it's too difficult for people to do. But playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or Warcraft 3 on the Big Screen is worth it, to me.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:54PM (Unverified) said

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PC overtaking consoles lol

Won't happen. I promise you there will be a hybrid. Look at the PS3. Its basically a PC.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:56PM (Unverified) said

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#43 - I'd rather not have to worry about the feds breaking my door down.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:57PM (Unverified) said

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So really the proper headline is "John Romero: PC is about to make Xbox360 and PS3 it's bitches".

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 12:57PM Zertoss said

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"A PC from 6 years ago with a video card from 2 years ago playing "all the latest games"? I think you're exaggerating a bit. A 6 year old PC is what, a P3 1Ghz, 1.4 at best? With a Radeon 9600? If the games are playable, they'll certainly look like crap."

It's an Athlon XP 1900+, the P4 was around back then too, and yeah the games don't look as great as they do on newer rigs, but I can play them.

It's not even OC'ed.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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zertoss i'm in the same boat as you, i've got the same chip, with a gig of ram and a 60 gig hard drive and it does me right to this day :)

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:04PM AirIntake said

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@Zertoss

The 1900+ came out in Oct 2001, so that must have been a pretty kick ass rig when you first got it.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:05PM kidwei said

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Echoing what most people have already said.. But this asshat really doesn't understand the appeal of console gaming, does he? I used to be a PC gamer, but I got sick of dealing with maintaining the latest and greatest hardware, drivers, operating systems and and what not. I simply don't have time for that anymore. Console gaming is simple to set up and the experience rivals, or imo, is superior to PC gaming. Plus I can sit on my ass on my couch and play in front of my TV. This mystical "new PC-like platform that sits in the living room" is called a 360 or PS3. As of now, the PC is not converging quickly enough to become what this idiot is saying it'll be. I'll still plunk down a few hundred dollars for a nice console gaming experience rather than have to boot Windows in my home.. barf

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 2:25PM (Unverified) said

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Now see who's back. Romero the wise prophet ;)

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:08PM AirIntake said

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If Romero actually wants this to happen, he should make a game-specific OS for PCs, that basically makes everything console like. Simply boot into GameOS, pop in the game disk, and play!

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:10PM (Unverified) said

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PC games tend to be better than console game sin my experience...

On consoles you get the one off, really good games, and the rest are not so great.

On PC, revolutionary games are coming out all the time (sup comm recently, crysis later this year), supported by the classic games people are still playing (CS, starcraft anyone?)

I agree that PC hardware is much more expensive than consoles... but with a PC, you get a lot more functionality, a lot of good games, and a much better interface.

And you can't label me a fanboy, I own a high end PC, an xbox 360, a wii, a ps2, a snes, a dreamcast, an n64, a nintendo ds and soon I will own a ps3...

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:14PM (Unverified) said

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I don't care what Joey Fatone says, I believe consoles are here to stay.

I can just imagine PC gaming being the norm..."Hey! D'ya get that awesome new PC game yet? Nah, I have to upgrade before I can play it."

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 6:38PM (Unverified) said

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I love me some consoles. The 360 is smaller then the original Xbox. The Wii is smaller than the GameCube. The PS3 is larger than your tower.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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"Only pictures. I know, because I've tried videos. And no you can't watch videos.

Videos > pictures in pr0n.

Also can't keep them on your HDD can you? ;) Oh wait (this is coming from a Wii fanboy) there's no HDD for the Wii.

I can burn them to a DVD too, and pop them into my DVD player... all on my PC."

Clearly, I don't take my porning as seriously as you do :p

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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First, let it be noted that I haven't read any of the comments attached to this article yet.

Now, while I'm usually pretty open-minded, usually taking the "everything has its' strong point" POV... this time is different:

PCs will never take over console gaming. Why, you ask? Standards. They release a new processor and/or graphics card every month. Seriously, you can't keep up. And who wants to pay $1800+ every month for the latest and great graphics card to play the next game you want? Who wants to upgrade to new hardware for every single release?

And that's the thing, that's what you'd have to do. And why is that? Because PC games don't have a unified standard. One game could say "Playable on a Pentium 49!" and then another game from a different company released the next month may only be playable on an AMD 3076902376.

The gaming technology in PCs upgrades so frequently that it's far too shifty a market. The technology just has no shelf life. Sure a GeForce Whatever SuperFX may be able to play Half-Life 9 THIS week, but there's no guarantee it can play Doom 16 NEXT week.

And that's why PC gaming will never take down consoles. Every game is built for different hardware standards, and unless the entire PC gaming market is willing to stop evolving and start building their games around a SET power standard... it just can't be done.

Additionally, I can get an Xbox 360 AND a PS3 for the same price as some of the higher end graphics card. A freaking graphics card! Not even the whole PC, just ONE of the many components needed to run a gaming rig, for the same price as consoles that can do much more than a simple graphics card (which by itself, as one would expect, is totally useless).

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 1:49PM (Unverified) said

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I'll always prefer consoles for the simple fact that I don't have to worry about the system requirements when I buy a game.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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@samfish

Obviously not. :) That's my territory. Lol.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 2:55PM (Unverified) said

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Define "cheap multi-core CPU." $200 for just the CPU, alone? Hey, great, you've got a tenth of a computer there. Now for an extra 50 bucks you could buy a Wii, ready to go.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 2:55PM (Unverified) said

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Ken/#50 - true, but that's probably because it really doesn't seem worth it to me, unless I maintained 2 separate PC's - one for gaming, and one for computing. Otherwise I'll have a clusterfuck of wires and crap everywhere. And for what?

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:00PM (Unverified) said

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@Plaid Ninja

Or a cheap laptop to replace your "computing" PC. And keep your current one for gaming.

:) Not saying that you should, but it's a nice treat to enjoy PC gaming on a good HDTV.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:08PM (Unverified) said

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"Don't get me wrong, the only games I "download" are from companys I don't like. (EA). Most games I have I purchase, if it's worthy of a purchase. If I'm still on the fence about a game (The Sims 2) I'll torrent it, and if I like it... I'll buy the first game."

So lets say I don't like Microsoft Games Studio, i guess its fair if I "download" their games. Or how about Valve? and Blizzard? I'm not trying to bust your balls , but you're a big reason why PC gaming won't be overtaking consoles anytime soon. So many of you guys decide when stealing isn't stealing your killing your own platform.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:15PM Captain Obvious said

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I don't know about all this technical chatter, but I do know that I have 42 reasons to play games on my 61" TV rather than on my 19" computer monitor. Nothing compares to a Bejeweled gem that is three inches square.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:17PM (Unverified) said

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@Miles

No I get what you mean. I would never download a Blizzard game, or a Valve game. They are companies that deserve my money.

And I know far too many people (my roommate for example who hasn't bought a game since StarCraft) who download every game they own. And I agree, they're the source of the problem.

I pick and choose who I download from. If I download a game it's either: 1) from a company I don't like and/or it got mediocre reviews or 2) a game I purchased in the past, but can't find the CD or the Key.

Of all the games I've "downloaded" probably 5 or 6 are ones I've not purchased. Thankfully, I didn't waste my money on them. They all pretty much stink.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:18PM (Unverified) said

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@Roger Rees

You can hook up your computer to your TV with little to no effort. All you need is a VGA cable (the same one that's plugged into your 19" monitor).

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:21PM Captain Obvious said

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@Ken

I know that, and I have an old P3 laptop hooked up to the TV for web browsing. But its rather inconvenient to use a keyboard and mouse just for surfing the internet from the couch. I have the gyroscope wireless mouse and keyboard combo. How am I supposed to game from the couch using a keyboard and mouse, without installing some contraption in the den that will just piss of my wife?

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:23PM Captain Obvious said

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@Ken

I know that, and I have an old P3 laptop hooked up to the TV for web browsing. But its rather inconvenient to use a keyboard and mouse just for surfing the internet from the couch. I have the gyroscope wireless mouse and keyboard combo. How am I supposed to game from the couch using a keyboard and mouse, without installing some contraption in the den that will just piss of my wife?

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:23PM Captain Obvious said

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@Ken

I know that, and I have an old P3 laptop hooked up to the TV for web browsing. But its rather inconvenient to use a keyboard and mouse just for surfing the internet from the couch. I have the gyroscope wireless mouse and keyboard combo. How am I supposed to game from the couch using a keyboard and mouse, without installing some contraption in the den that will just piss of my wife?

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:23PM Captain Obvious said

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Wow, sorry about that!

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:26PM (Unverified) said

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what about people that dont have vga ports on their hdtvs, or (gasp) don't have an hdtv at all?

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:34PM (Unverified) said

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Consoles are good because they are simple and for the most part they all use the same parts throughout their lives.

PC's vary too much, which can actually make PC development difficult. A game that works on one PC may not work on another (video cards, ram, motherboard, processor, near infinite combinations). It's too unpredictable. And a built rig doesn't have the staying power of a console. Consoles can get about 5-7 solid years compared to a PC's months to a couple of years before needing upgrades. It leaves a PC rig as a worse investment for an entertainment dollar.

A PS3, Wii, or 360 game will work on its respective console...whether it was from launch or the middle or even the end of the life cycle. PC's don't work that way.

Another problem is the PC's full-scale operating system (usually Windows). With consoles, you plug in a game and go; booting takes very little time. You don't have to worry about resident programs running in the background, antivirus software, or spyware.

PC's keep me employed, but I would never recommend that someone become a PC gamer. It's not worth it, and comes with a ridiculous amount of hassle if all you want to do is game.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:38PM h0mi said

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A capable gaming _desktop_ PC will cost you in the neighborhood of $1000... the price will vary based on pricing of various components wherever you choose to shop, but it will for the most part go up unless you cheap out on the components, and you will quickly learn why that $20 power supply or $60 motherboard wasn't such a good idea.

I build a PC devoted to gaming because doing all those things on 1 PC (IM, downloading pron, instant messaging) slows it down and can interrupt a gaming session unnecessarily. I never use the PC however since my KVM died. My plans are to connect it to my 37" but I need a wireless keyboard.

Battlefront looked 2000000 times better on the PC than on the ps2 or xbox. Kotor also looked better on the PC. But I had all sorts of grief running KOTOR until I learned about disabling 1 of the cores on my CPU (!). That's the sort of thing that will keep people away from spending $1000 on a PC just to play games.


Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:43PM sand0789 said

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A PC-like console, eh? John Romero just predicted the past, as the 360 and PS3 are both already very PC like. Those two consoles are also geared towards being a media center, as he "predicts". What an idiot.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 3:49PM sand0789 said

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Also, did he just insinuate that consoles launch with better graphics, then are taken over by high end PC's after a few years? That is a f-ing given. Nothing on PC looks as good as Gears today. But, eventually, most gaming PC's will have games that look better. A couple years later the Xbox 720 will launch and be the new top dog. And so the circle of life continues.

Seriously, everything he said is either a rule of gaming or something he is predicting that already actually happened. You just have to think about his statements a little and they look pretty dumb.

As for PC vs. console gaming, we really don't need to get into that, do we? Can't we just assume that since many people do both that they are both pretty good? Consoles = cheaper, easier, more games. PC = xtreme.

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 7:09PM GoonieGooGoo said

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As a gamer since 1976....and a computer user since 1980.....neither will ever go away....always occupying a unique and substantial niche.

Romero's opinion is not only wrong....it's irrelevant. He should be renamed John RoMEHro

Why even give him any press....We all now know it was CARMACK not ROMERO that made ID what it is.

As Nelson say "Meh Heh"

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 4:27PM (Unverified) said

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As Borat Sagdiyev would say......"NOTTTTTT!"

Posted: Apr 10th 2007 5:16PM Mr Khan said

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There is only 1 reason why this will not happen:

PC's lack of standards

If PC Game developing companies were smart, they would cut a deal with Intel, AMD/ATI, NVidia, and IBM, such that those companies would only release 1 new CPU and 1 new GPU every 4 years or so

That way, if you bought the brand new Athlon XP 1900+ back in 2001, then you could have been safely assured that you would be able to play all the best PC games until at least 2005, and then they would have developed a new CPU set that was proportional for a 4 year wait

Posted: Apr 13th 2007 3:13PM (Unverified) said

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Frikkin fanboys.

The PC is best for FPS, MMO, and RTS.

Consoles are best for platformers, sports, racing, and fighting.

Now everyone shut up and stop trying to say one or the other is shit.

Posted: Apr 11th 2007 1:10AM (Unverified) said

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@Ken

You "beat" Sims 2 in 3-4 hours? There is no "beating" in the Sims games; they are by definition impossible to win or lose, due to being completely open-ended and not possessing the little things typically seen in a traditional "beatable" game, such as concrete goals and an end-game.

Stating that you only steal from the companies you dislike is pure sophistry. Regardless of how you try to reframe it to be rebellious and cool, theft is still just theft. ROM's are also an infringement of copyright, unless you own a copy of the game and system you are emulating.

Posted: Apr 11th 2007 1:07AM docstrange said

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John Romero:

"The hardcore gamers are going to either be playing on their PCs or a new PC-like platform that sits in the living room"


Yeah John... it's called the xbox 360.

Posted: Apr 11th 2007 1:45AM (Unverified) said

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That headline just showed how seriously people take John Romero these days. But I think he kind of has a point. Especially with Microsoft entering the console wars, I think we'll see consoles become more and more PC like.

Posted: Apr 16th 2007 2:42PM NPSCA said

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Wasn't this said about Consoles 10 years ago back in the 3dfx days... I was at 3dfx back then and the first iteration of GLQuake was WOW - truly blew away consoles and the content that came after it did so to!

However with the advent of HDTV (meaning nice HUGE high res displays) why would you want to play in front of a 20" monitor?

The PC's inability to connect to your living room HDTV... without having to buy a PC for the TV or plug a notebook into it will ensure the consoles longevity.

The only exception is the LAN party specials; first person shooters. They will continue to push NVIDIA, AMD and other GPU manufacturers. However there is a huge gaming market outside of that genre. I would easily suggest buying a Wii over a decent NVIDIA or AMD/ATI board. So much "latest greatest" PC content plays terribly on todays PC's unless you have a dual core CPU and SLI/Crossfire.

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