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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 5:49PM (Unverified) said

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Wait, someone BOUGHT Dragon's Lair?!?
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 5:59PM (Unverified) said

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i want space ace!
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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i want Thayer's Quest!
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 6:31PM arrrgh said

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Makes you yearn for a HiDef format with standards that were set BEFORE its release....kinda sounds like...HD-DVD? yeah...wouldn't have had these problems there kids, go team Sony! :P
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 6:43PM (Unverified) said

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Well, I'm getting the disc. I grew up on Dragon's Lair and Space Ace and am always looking for ways to get them on current systems.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:11PM (Unverified) said

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to post #4

Why did you guys go with Blu-Ray instead of HD-DVD?

DF: We still do have intentions of coming out with HD-DVD. There are just challenges in terms of the hardware that is out there right now, in terms of compatibility. Similar issues to the BD-J issues, but a little bit more severe. So we're sort of waiting that one out until there is a little bit more maturity. There's a couple of movies out there that aren't running particularly well on HD-DVD. Children of Men is one. The issues are the firmware implementations and the other is the development and technology. I think honestly on the HD side there's a lot more openness and availability of development documentation. I think it falls down a little bit on the firmware implementation. I think all of this would get addressed in the short term. We just have to wait it out a little bit. We don't want to be making the same headlines that Children of Men has. The HD DVD version of Dragon's Lair is about of 99% done.

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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:27PM (Unverified) said

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and to #6 point,

All HD DVD players have ethernet ports. Thus providing the capability to update firmware of the players for future enhancements or to fix incompatibility issue, etc. Ethernet ports are optional on Blu-ray players so if it doesn't work on the player today it likely never will.

Just something else to think about.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:29PM LaughingTarget said

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The only thing we should be thinking about is why the hell are we patching our players? Shouldn't they, you know, work right out of the box?
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:31PM (Unverified) said

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Of course they should, but technologies are continuously refined and improved (and sometimes fixed ;-)

Just saying the possibility is there with HD DVD and not necessarily with Blu-ray.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:35PM LaughingTarget said

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I understand refinements that make the viewing pleasure more, well, pleasurable, but we do have to realize that companies shouldn't be adding new functionality that makes future software releases unusable with older hardware. My DVD player from 1999 still plays any DVD I stick in it, but that isn't the case with a number of Blu-Ray players.

That is a bad thing and us putting up with it only gives companies the incentive to continually release unfinished crap they'll fix whenever.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:41PM Mr Khan said

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Isn't Dean Takahashi a big Microsoft affiliate of some kind? He's always seemed to be linked to breaking some good news involving the 360 and Live for Windows

Although he apparently isn't, if he has a PS3...
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:49PM (Unverified) said

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No disagreement here Laughing target. If a company says a player will do something, then it should from the start. The problem with Blu-ray is that they decided to release a product before they had completed their own standards (HDi - wink wink, nudge nudge). And YES! That is a crap way to do business. But even crappier is that there is now way to update many Blu-ray players due to the Ethernet port being optional instead of mandatory.

This is just another reason I don't own a Blu-ray player now. I just hope I don't have to own one in the future either.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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oops, that should have read "no way" not "now way"
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 7:56PM spin cycle said

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The BluRay spec already mandates BD-J, the October date is for an enhancement to BD-J which allows full-screen picture-in-picture video overlays instead of just the current spec of small 320x240 (or so) video overlays.

Dragon's Lair likely has no need for large video overlays (it had no video overlays at all in the arcade), so it isn't affected by this.

LaughingTarget:
You are lucky you didn't own one of the DVD players that crashed/locked up with the Matrix. The number of players in customers hands affected by this was far larger than the number of BluRay+HD-DVD customers affected by problems such as listed here.

Jason B:
HDi changes don't affect Blu-Ray, it doesn't have HDi. Also, HD-DVD is dealing with this issue of full-screen overlay video already. There are several HD-DVD players which will never meet the full HD-DVD spec for overlay-video. Search avsforums for more info.

I do agree this makes both formats look a little incomplete right now.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 8:05PM (Unverified) said

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why not the LS2/LS7 - you are correct!...And I...unfortunately...am just dumb. But my confusing of HDi and BD-J is no excuse...So now...I will retire to my study...and study more!
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 8:12PM (Unverified) said

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You do realize that the primary function of the ethernet port on an HD-DVD player is for security updates right? It won't improve hardware performance if the hardware simply can't handle it.
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 8:23PM horngreen said

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Can you really expect all disc to play on a player that "only" retails for $1000? ; ^)
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Posted: Apr 11th 2007 8:22PM (Unverified) said

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So why can't they just put any major update needed on a disk. Or make it burnable to a CD-R.

You know download it burn it and then put it in your player. Run the update. Problem solved. No need for the Ethernet port.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2007 6:12AM BurntMeatloaf said

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"Lack of Java standardization"

Gee wiz... where have I heard that before?

Java sucks. I hate using it.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2007 8:44PM (Unverified) said

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assome good new let see ported of cobracomand mach 3 astron belt and other laser disc games on blue ray
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Posted: Apr 12th 2007 9:17PM (Unverified) said

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Jason B, you got another one wrong as well. EVERY Blu-ray player supports firmware updates, regardless of whether it has an ethernet port. Those which don't are updated by downloading and burning a CD-ROM or receiving a disc in the mail.

Dragon's Lair was written without the author ever accessing the BD-J specification, so it's not surprising it has some compatibility issues. Whatever difficulties they had, however, were apparently more easily dealt with than trying to author the HD DVD version. The author didn't even know Java when he started this project - he bought a book to learn it, then wrote the software. See http://www.blueboard.com/bluray/qa_dragonslair.htm for more background on the author.
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