360 HD DVD doesn't play by AACS's rules

Hopefully they'll give up and realise that their DRM filed media discs are going to be broken whatever they do and however much money they spend on it.

they would have got away with it too, if it wasnt for those meddling kids...er hackers lol

they really need to give up on DRM lol

also I want HDDVD to win the whole format war crap but it probably wont...making me very sad :( lol I like my HDDVD addon for the 360

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I'm about sick of DRM. What a waste of time and money.

DRM is going the way of the dinosaur. iTunes is now convincing companies to sell non-DRM versions of their music, and people will buy it just to have the DRM out of their hair.

It's worth an extra 30 cents a track to be able to use what I purchase however I choose.

Same will apply to movies. People will avoid DRM and flock to the non-DRM products. Whichever format gives up on DRM and lets people be free with their purchases is the one which will prevail.

We're sick of being jerked around by corporate interests and their teams of lawyers, who almost certainly make up scary stories to tell to executives in order to keep their lawyerly jobs as "protectors" of spartan copyright laws.

Copyright is one thing. Preventing people from being able to use a product they pay for is quite another.

WTF? my message was half erased! I guess they thought it was HTML.

I'm using my HD-DVD add on completely legally. I bought two discs and I've been renting the rest from Netflix. If my device gets disabled because I _could_ be using it to pirate movies, then I'm going to be really pissed off. I might turn to DLing movies just to avoid this BS. There's DRM/copy protection for you. Don't really stop anyone from copying it, but inconvenience honest people enough that they'll turn to rips and cracks just to avoid the problems you create for them.

Also atm regular DVD is the only format with no DRM and its doing better than any of the HD formats lol :)

@8 (John)

DVD does have DRM. It's littered with it. It's called CSS (Content Scrambling System), but was hacked years ago by DVD Jon. The reason why we can copy them so readily is that CSS was never built with "upgradeability" in mind (there is no system to revoke CSS keys). Those systems have been built into HDCP so that the companies can keep throwing away millions (billions?) of dollars trying to "protect" the content on the discs. When will these stupid companies ever learn that no matter what system they come up with, that it will be broken.

@ZeroCorpse,

No FUD please. EMI approached Apple about selling DRM-free music, not the other way around. Also, it was Apple's choice to jack up the price, not EMI's... So, while I can understand your mock turtlenecked hero worship, let's not confuse facts ;) Mr. Jobs isn't a saint, just a business man with a brilliant marketing sense.

Yes, standard DVD does have DRM, That's why you can't up-convert DVD over component. That's why I hate HDMI. Every time you all fought for HDMI, you were fighting FOR DRM. HDCP is the only reason HDMI exsists. And DRM ain't going anywhere any time soon. People don't like to pay for anything.. why would they pay for something they don't have to.

*ZeroCorpse: "It's worth an extra 30 cents a track to be able to use what I purchase however I choose."

Funny how expensive HD-DVDs are, and you don't get that privilege.

Here's an idea: buy DVDs. The lower picture quality is worth the flexibility, AND it's cheaper.

Burnt Meatloaf - spoken like someone who owns a 27" Magnavox from 1992.

HD DVD is more than worth it for me. It's hard to go back once you get a few high def discs. For those wondering, movies do generally look a bit better on disc over the XBLM's marketplace content, due to XBLM movies/TV being a bit more compressed for downloading purposes.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

HD DVD sales just spiked... what caused it?