Look out PS3, it's raining ... PS1?

crash bandicoot better be in there!

First Nintendo and now Sony? What's with these marketing morons? Doesn't anyone listen to Square-Enix? The Japanese is not ready for downloadable content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!11111

Anything Nintendo can do, Sony can do better. I haven't played Parasite Eve in a while...

While it's nice that Sony is releasing these games on the Playstation Network, would it kill them to clean-them up a bit so they look a little better? I'm also waiting for Sony to release the highly regarded PSOne games (FF, MGS, etc.). Anyways, none of the games on the PS3 list are as appealing as Calling all Cars so-far, at least for me anyways.

@ #3 Sony wouldn't have done anything at all without copying Nintendo's ideas first. And the six axis is not better than the wiimote

@ #3 Everything Sony does is influenced by nintendo, and the six axis is not better than the wiimote

FYI 525yen has always been a promotional price.

Nerds arguing about Sony and Nintendo. What's new in the Joystiq comment box today?

I see people are crediting Nintendo now with DL content? If Sony is copying Nintendo then Nintendo would be copying MS. Why do you care who copies who?

@5/6

'Copying' is a legitimate business practice and is nearly required for the furthering and advancement of technology to take place.

@10, way to take comments out of context.

finally people have games to play on the ps3

"@ #3 Sony wouldn't have done anything at all without copying Nintendo's ideas first."

ZOMG, Nintendo copied Atari, by making video games!!
Grow up. Unless there are outright stealing their properties, it means nothing. It's called
"market research".

On topic, I hope the ps1 titles translate well on the ps3. I'm sure there are some that will, but unless sony cleans them up, some are better off on the ps1. I also hope sony takes a que from ms, and offers free demos on retro games.

"3. Anything Nintendo can do, Sony can do better. I haven't played Parasite Eve in a while..."

Right. Because the PS1 library is somehow better than the NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, Turbografx-16, and NeoGeo libraries combined.

Hey Alex, if the Wiimote is really that good, how come all the games designed with the Wii in mind are poorly reviewed?

If you're thinking about mentioning Twilight Princess or Paper Mario, those games were made with the gamecube in mind. The fact that they are Wii titles now is an afterthought. And by the way, Twilight Princess for gamecube has better review average than the Wii one.

The sixaxis is at least the standard controller that works for pretty much every game, and a few new more with the tacked on motion sensing. The Wiimote is pretty much a disappointment to hardcore gamers. Are you planning on getting RE4 for the Wii? Or RE Chronicles? Or the dozens of ports from the xbox, gamecube or PS2 with a, in Miyamoto's words, "cheaper price"? Wow, amazing. Remakes with the Wiimote as its only change, except instead of enhancing them, they're getting worse.

And by the way, Virtual Console is not an original idea on Nintendo's part, but even if it was, there are no original games.

I fail to see how games that are almost over ten years old can raise any excitement at all. I mean games like super metroid were awesome back in 95' and nostalgic as roms in 02' but it's 07' why continually re-purchase the same software? If anything this should be a lesson to most to save their old systems it'll pay off a few years down the line.

"3. Anything Nintendo can do, Sony can do better."

Not rumble or motion detection!

@bootsielon, you're acting like those are the only 2 good games on the Wii. Many good games were made from scratch with the remote in mind, like Wario Ware, Rayman, and Elebits, while other good games were sequels or remakes that efficiently used new control schemes, like Trauma Center, Godfather, and SSX Blur. Even Madden's reviews say the new motion sensing action give it a fresh new feel!

You don't like Cooking Mama or Sonic or Wii Play, Wii get it.

@Topic, it's about time. PSN releases are even fewer and farther between than XBLA.

This is Freakin Fantastic, the between the Wii and PS3 releaseing older games, i will be gaming forever again, 360 could do it, but their first gen releases really don't have much to brag about.
http://www.burnedbytheman.com

WHOOOO CARES!!! THEY'RE ALL OLD GAMES THAT LOOK LIKE CRAP ON HDTVs ANYWAY!

AND.. when they look 'okay' enough or are just FUN enough to play anyway...

Has anyone even tried playing these 'retro' games recently? Its so easy to forget how much controls have advanced over the past decade. They are much more responsive with newer games than in the past. Just try playing the PS classic MidEvil or Syphon Filter, terrible. Some games hold their time, while others... well, they kind of make you wonder; "What the hell did I see in this game 10 years ago?" (okay: Hot Shots Golf 2 is still loads of fun)

Give us more downloadable IPs and something better than ducks-in-a-tub (I know the name) or even more PSP to PS3 transitions would be nice (like GripShift).

Keep all the great stuff comin Sony!!

Hey kids, PSN HOME beta sign ups just opened.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND ALL THE POSTERS SAYING SONY COPIED NINTENDO AND NINTENDO COPIED MICROSOFT AND MICROSOFT COPIED SONY AND NINTENDO INVENTED AIR... STOP COPYING OTHER POSTERS AND TELLING US SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNOW AND DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now, I don't know about you, but my PS3 has some games calling my name, gotta go.

(damn wasted a good 20 minutes on this board...)

FAWAZR said:
"Anything Nintendo can do, Sony can do better. I haven't played Parasite Eve in a while..."

Yeah hindsight is a wonderful thing for Sony isn't it?

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BOOTSIELON said:
"And by the way, Virtual Console is not an original idea on Nintendo's part, but even if it was, there are no original games."

Yeah, just ignore the ones that mention "produced by/licensed by Nintendo" in these VC games' opening sequences. Oh wait.

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HORNGREEN said:
"I see people are crediting Nintendo now with DL content? If Sony is copying Nintendo then Nintendo would be copying MS. Why do you care who copies who?"

Nintendo had a downloading service for the Super Famicom and even a kiosk-based distribution service for the original Famicom. Through it, the original Legend of Zelda cost 500Yen/$5, or you could buy a pre-formatted disk for $25 (ignoring the cost of the Famicom Disc Drive itself). Obviously there were technical problems at the time that prevented them from bringing those services over, but the progression of technology has made it possible for them on a wider scale.

As far as some, if not most, fans see it Nintendo hasn't really encroached on a competitor's ideas thus far. They are vocal in their stance about providing a free Online-based service vs. what XBL costs.

Though XBL is awesome for what it does, Nintendo wants to observe as well as explore their own ideas.

"fans see it Nintendo hasn't really encroached on a competitor's ideas"


Of course not.


"Fans" always see things one sidedly.

Time to get a PlayStation 3, my brother has a 360 so the combination of both will give us plenty of fun.

"Nintendo had a downloading service for the Super Famicom and even a kiosk-based distribution service for the original Famicom. Through it, the original Legend of Zelda cost 500Yen/$5, or you could buy a pre-formatted disk for $25 (ignoring the cost of the Famicom Disc Drive itself). Obviously there were technical problems at the time that prevented them from bringing those services over, but the progression of technology has made it possible for them on a wider scale."

ExCUUUUUSE me princess, I forgot that it was so popular it revolutionized not only the industry, but pop culture too. Oh wait...

For you to take credit of something that good, you have to not only think about it, but distribute it and make it well. As much as I dislike Microsoft, if it wasn't for them, Sony and Nintendo would have been a lot slower with their online products.

For example:

Nintendo didn't invent analogue controls, nor D-pads, nor a lot of things people give them credit for. So? They've marketed it and applied it so well, they've revolutionized the industry several times, no need to invent the wheel if you are the one marketing it well.

But let's not give them credit for being the first ones to make (FAILED) attempts at something that is good for the industry. Yeah, the Saturn and Dreamcast had online and it was fabulous. Oh wait...

The point is Nintendo had downloadable games, downloadable demos, and online games back before Windows 95 came out. And Nintendo invented air. To say that Nintendo is ripping off XBox Live by implementing online again is just like saying something stupid. I'm not saying Microsoft was ripping off Nintendo zomg lolz, but to argue the opposite is dumb.

BOOTSIELON and LORD CHAKO:

Don't get me wrong, I'm just saying that before people get riled up over who-did-what I was providing context on what Nintendo plans to do with Wii versus the implication that they have to copy someone else to do it.

Note I only said that Nintendo had/has their own plan rather than "OMG NINTENDO DID IT FIRST".

"'Fans' always see things one sidedly."

And non-fans are always on one-side: "THE OBJECTIVE TRUTH" m i rite?

Hey here's an idea: if we talk more about what makes each companie's plans unique we don't have to worry so much about who did it first, because they're all different!

Doubly-stated for importance and for curing knee-jerk syndrome:

NOTE I ONLY SAID THAT NINTENDO HAS/HAD THEIR OWN PLAN RATHER THAN SAYING "OMG NINTENDO DID IT FIRST".

And Zelda cartoon FTW

Allow me to break up this retard fest with three particular points.

1. Playstation Underground members are randomly receiving Beta Home invites. I got one, god how I hope I get in.

2. Tomorrow, Calling All Cars drops on the PSN.

3. Friday, Ninja Gaiden Sigma demo drops on PSN in Japan (meaning a reason, other than Everybody's Golf 5, to have that Japanese PSN account....)

Allow me to relaunch this retard fest with three particular points.

1. If it's raining PS1s, don't go outside.

2. Each console's online service is very different. One is good and costs money. One is good and free. One is bad and free.

3. The DS will dominate everything, even online. It can't be stopped.

"Anything Nintendo can do, Sony can do better. I haven't played Parasite Eve in a while..."

If by better you mean more fucked up, then yes. Yes they can.

@30

I disagree, I actually think YOU are gay

Oh boy, old garbage games that look as they did the day of release years ago. Big Deal. I guess Sony doesn't really have much of anything else. Nintendo is not much better. At least on the 360, the Retro Games are Updated. Running at a higher Resolution, Backgrounds to fill up a 16x9 screen etc,. besides all the NEW Original Downloadable games.

"oldies you've never heard of -- Marl Oukoku no Ningyou Hime"

Well, I HAVE heared about Rhapsody - A Musical Adventure.

Kinda defeats the purpose of backwards compatability don't it?

There's a student in one of my girlfriend's college classes that everyone refers to as "Sony."

Apparantly the nickname stuck after repeatedly copying others' designs and claiming the credit as his own. I'm completely serious.

http://blog.myspace.com/nohithair

Come on people, you have to admit that Sony IS "copying" Nintendo in various ways. They "copied" the Wiimote by making the sixaxis control.
Then they saw how popular the Miis were getting, so now they got this Home thing... and well, now they're doing the whole Virtual Console thing.

I mean, it seems like every move Nintendo is making, Sony is right there watching ready to emulate.

At least the Xbox 360 is doing it's own thing. Microsoft is the king of online play, and that's what they're pushing. So it's selling.
Nintendo has it's innovative ideas, and that's selling...

PS3 has a bunch of fancy graphics, but nobody is buying it (pun intended). Yes, the games may look beautiful, but the game library is weak... Besides the fact that probably 80% of America DOESN'T have an HD TV, so why would they buy a system, or a blue ray disc player that just so happens to play games, if they don't even have tv that supports the graphics.
The PS3 might actually be a great system, but it seems to be too ahead of it's time. They should've planned on releasing it in 2010. When more people will have HDTVs, and will realize that they need to update their dvd player.

Unfortunately right now no one is planning on dishing out $600 on this machine.
So now they're trying to do everything Nintendo is doing...

Shame on Sony!

I might as well join in the retard fest...

"Come on people, you have to admit that Sony IS "copying" Nintendo in various ways. They "copied" the Wiimote by making the sixaxis control.
Then they saw how popular the Miis were getting, so now they got this Home thing... and well, now they're doing the whole Virtual Console thing."

A: How in the hell is Sixaxis even related to the Wiimote. Seriously, if you'd PLAYED both of them, you'd realize how fucking tragically sad this arguement is. But people tend to forget Sony has this patented before PS2s debut, that Sony promised one last suprise for the controller, AND, tilt controls were shown via a USB dongle for the PSP before the Revolution even had a face (yes, shown before we even saw the console). But seriously, yeah, Sony stole tilt controls from Nintendo. Microsoft Sidewinder never fucking existed.

Miis are innovative? Even early in PC games, creating custom avatars have been central to gameplay. PSX, N64, and even Saturn games started featuring "create a character" modes. PC freeware programs promised custom avatars for your AIM and Yahoo accounts. The only thing Mii has done original is manage to fool all you idiots that into thinking that a character creator is new. That, and attach all that info to a unified gamesave account (kinda like a Gamertag, wouldn't you say?). nd in case you missed it, all you can do with your Mii is... well, throw them around or infect other peoples consoles.

And Virtual Console? Ignoring the fact that Microsoft was doing this exact same thing on Xbox, look back even further to when PS2 debuted to the public. In particular the plans revolving the hard drive. Downloadable content, episodic gaming, smaller arcade style gaming, movie and music downloads, and even downloading classic games. All promised, just nowhere near the hard drive support needed to warrant investment. DLC has been on the cusp for years. Sega pioneered it, Sony expanded the thought, Microsoft finally delivered, and Nintendo, like everything else in regards to technology, is running their plumbers ass off trying, TRYING to catch up. Friend Codes? Point cards? I mean, hell. It took DS a full year for it's first online game and it had the ability built in. It took Sony day 1 on the PSP.

"At least the Xbox 360 is doing it's own thing. Microsoft is the king of online play, and that's what they're pushing. So it's selling.
Nintendo has it's innovative ideas, and that's selling..."
Ooooooh, so when I was playing a cheapass Hydro Thunder ripoff with MP3 soundtrack support, that was innovation, right? When I was given a shitton of tragically simple minigames and told it was a full featured title, that was innovation, right? When we keep getting sequels to Gamecube games or just plain out Gamecube games with waggle controls attached, that's innovation, right? Wii is fun but it's biggest innovative title has already been seen in the Xavix. But Nintendo never steals ideas, do they?

"PS3 has a bunch of fancy graphics, but nobody is buying it (pun intended). Yes, the games may look beautiful, but the game library is weak... Besides the fact that probably 80% of America DOESN'T have an HD TV, so why would they buy a system, or a blue ray disc player that just so happens to play games, if they don't even have tv that supports the graphics.
The PS3 might actually be a great system, but it seems to be too ahead of it's time. They should've planned on releasing it in 2010. When more people will have HDTVs, and will realize that they need to update their dvd player.

Unfortunately right now no one is planning on dishing out $600 on this machine.
So now they're trying to do everything Nintendo is doing..."
Oh, I see, planning for the future rather than becoming reactionary to a market is a bad thing. So this whole Xbox Elite and the many more revisions to follow, that's a bad thing too? Sony set their core console ahead of the curve, big time. They set their hardware up so that it's easily upgradable with no need for being replaced. Unfortunately, this set the PS3 as a luxury item because of the costs. But PSX had a five year life without it's replacement, PS2 had a six year life, and Xox saw their replacement in just four. I like Sonys style of trying to expand a consoles lifespan rather than shrink it. Not to mention, Nintendo is talking about Wii hardware revisions. Initially, the highprice will be an issue for Sony but prices drop. Sony just needs to get games together FOR that day. And in case you missed it, Sony is not only one hell of a developer, but also a publisher.

"Shame on Sony!"
Shame on common fantard misconceptions.

Everything SONY does is influenced by microsoft and nintendo !

lamestation 20g and 60 g models
lamestation rip-off (but crap) motion sense controller
Lamestation chrome finish
those 4 LED lights on the lamestation controller (stolen from the wii and 360 controller)
the button in the middle on the controller (360 guide button)
Self loading bay from the wii
Built in wi-fi stolen from the WII
right and left button triggers (stolen from the 360 controller)
I can go on for ever. SONY STEAL STUFF !

@Fatass of Kickassness

Hah hah, good way to flame yourself. Hilarious.

Incidentally, downloadable content is nothing new. This is just merely one of many motions Sony has performed in the last few years to copy the direction of other companies rather than spend personal funds on internal IP.

sheppy:

You apparantly have a very selective memory. If you recall, Sony was sitting on details concerning the PS3 until AFTER both Nintendo and Microsoft had announced details on their systems. And if you also remember, the minute Microsoft declared 360's dual incarnations, Sony immediately announced their own. Then Nintendo announces their Wiimote and its motion sensitivity. Suddenly we're blessed with the Sixaxis and its OWN motion sensitivity.

Coupled with the recent spate of looking over others' shoulders, it's become quite obvious that Sony's desperation to paint the PS3 as groundbreaking as the PS2 led them to engineering plagiary.

Of course, this could all simply be a coincidence. However, if it is, it would have to be one of the most extensive and highly improbable coincidences of all time.

http://blog.myspace.com/nohithair

"Market research"? Sony copies its competitors without even knowing wether or not what they have done will be succesful in the market yet. You have to admit out of the 3 companies, Sony is the least innovative of them all; the PS3 logo is a good enough example on that. When they do think of something themselves (id est; the boomerang and forcing gamers to buy blueray), they all end up being sh*tty ideas.

Compared to its poor excuse for an immitation, the wiimote is the better controller, Bootsielong.

And about the Kid being called Sony for copying others too much, that's hilarious, it is a fitting title for copycats.

Sheppy's comment was too long. Should I read it?

Geez. everyones fighting over some pretty stupid stuff in here. It doesn't matter what game system it is or who copied what as long as the games are fun. There's no point in forking over money for new and expensive consoles..just keep your old xbox or Ps2..or maybe even Ps1. Its not like all the games for the first playstation are bad..

My MS sidewinder controller is better than the ps3's.

@36/39..... you all need to be informed on this stuff before trying to argue a point that you flat out can't argue because you don't have the information to back it up.
wow..... you all are totally uninformed. sony had everything planed way before the 360 and the wii were even beginning to become a thought. directly after the ps2 had launched, sony who is way ahead of both microsoft and nintendo had put patents on everything that was going to be in the ps3. and the fact that sony waited to announce any info about the ps3 until the 360 info had been released was part of the plan also. but sure, sony did take the idea of motion sensor controls from MICROSOFT, not nintendo(stupid fanboys), but sony had put more into the motion sensors than there had been in the first place and that of course has a patent on it. and the whole idea of the virtual console was taken from all the emulators that are offered on the pc, so again sony did not steal from microsoft or nintendo.

I hate you f'n nintendo fanboys, always saying sony copies everyone.... just STFU!!! i have all three consoles. wii is my least favorite. crappy games, graphics,ok gameplay and the controls suck!especially for red steel, they blow! theres only like one game worth playing on the wii. and people always say its not all about graphics, its about gameplay, your an idiot. if you've ever played gears of war for 360 you'd know that if the graphics sucked the game would suck.

the ps3 and 360 graphics are amazing, even better with hd.

online for 360 is great!
online for ps3 is pretty good, for somethin thats free is decent.
online for wii blows!!!!! wow, no online games yet(in us), thats fun right?

i have had my wii since 2 weeks after it came out, i've had my ps3 for 2 weeks and have played it more than my wii already.

and for people who want a HDTV, dont buy one, go pay $1200 for a nice HD projector like i have and play on a giant screen! mines 9ft right now.

todd, you are totally right about gears.... if the graphics weren't as good as they are then gears wouldn't have been as much fun... take like Final Fantasy VII.... if the graphics are improved upon if sony decides to remake it then the game would be totally awesome.... the gameplay was just about perfect, maybe they could make it a little longer.

sony was at one time working with nintendo on a system back during the days of the N64 and the PS1, and sony just went their own way with the game system. so in a sense, nintendo screwed themselves over with working with sony. sony has taken all the gaming technology to a whole new level...... Microsoft went into the gaming console wars with the mindset of using previous technology that was known to work and put it to use in a console.... that sold. and the 360 isn't any different. previously used technology that works in a console again. sony went ahead of both nintendo and microsoft to make a whole new system from the ground up...... working with NVIDIA to make a new sound/video card specifically for the ps3.... and then forming a new cell processor to use in the ps3. all of that was patented by sony so no one else can take it from sony without having sony's permission..... so yeah sure, sony steals ideas from microsoft and nintendo.

sony started the home console gaming system usage of cds to play games..... taking that further than the pc. Microsoft and Nintendo came along after they realized that Sony was making huge money off of the way that the Sony systems plays games..... it took Nintendo almost 15 years to finally catch onto the fact that the cartrages weren't being used much anymore. Microsoft came into the wars with the knowledge of using cds to play games from the experience from the pcs and from seeing how sony did just that. thereforth sony revolutionized many aspects to the gaming community for the better. and anyone who trys to argue this point will fail horribly. Sony started this new version of what we know now as high tech console gaming.

holy crap! someone actually makes sense in here.... your right, not all ps1 games are bad. older games are still really fun. i'm waitin for the prices to come down to get a new system just because money is tight right now.