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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:32AM (Unverified) said
MS, you dumb asses. Get all your ducks in a row. Whats funny is that only the internet game nerds will only hear about this change. If the general public knew about this and had any understanding of technology they would be pissed off.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:33AM (Unverified) said
Thats dumb, why are there so many SKU's. This is why its PSWii for me!!!
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:32AM (Unverified) said
Amazing how this comes out THE DAY AFTER the elite is released. ;)
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:19PM (Unverified) said
I'll be waiting to see if these new production methods results in a much more stable and reliable product. Maybe by xmas the 360 "ring of death" will be confined to history.
Heres to hopeing, so i can finally play Dead Rising & Viva Pinata.
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Heres to hopeing, so i can finally play Dead Rising & Viva Pinata.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:09AM (Unverified) said
This is great news for me, I was thinking of getting a 360 sometime this fall. Guess i'll wait for this :)
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:50AM (Unverified) said
whoopty sh1t! 65nm chips! finally all the dorks who have been waiting for these amazing chips can get a 360. and everyone who already has a 360 can complain that they got the 'crap' chip back in nov 05 and they were ripped off.
I promise you within 5 minutes someone will post a youtube video of a red ring of death 65nm system.
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I promise you within 5 minutes someone will post a youtube video of a red ring of death 65nm system.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:40AM (Unverified) said
So, the Elite is a regular ole 360 then? What a POS.. the RRoD are gonna look great against that matt-black finish.
So, what are the new 65nm 360s going to be called? XBOX 360 ELITE MAX?
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So, what are the new 65nm 360s going to be called? XBOX 360 ELITE MAX?
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:41AM (Unverified) said
Actually, wasn't the big prob the warping of the motherboard due to the excess heat that caused chips to pop off.
Smaller chips = less power = less heat = no warping problem.
Anyways, I have a Nov 05 360, have had no probs, and in no way feel ripped off by the elite or the 65mms.
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Smaller chips = less power = less heat = no warping problem.
Anyways, I have a Nov 05 360, have had no probs, and in no way feel ripped off by the elite or the 65mms.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:48AM Hoffer said
Why would you feel ripped off my a smaller CPU in new consoles? Every console ever has hardware revisions with smaller CPUs. If you truly feel ripped off, then you should never buy anything until the very last revision. That means you should be buying a PS2 right now.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:49AM Dark88 said
I dont think this will be ANOTHER SKU. They will just replace the old core, premium, and elite sku's with these newer models. Microsoft is trying to milk the 360 to make as much of a profit as possible. Those who got an Elite now made the worse choice ever; the early adopters however still made a good choice, seeing as they had a good 2 years with their console.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:51AM (Unverified) said
@ 3 Grow up, Who cares how many SKU's there are, They all play the same games Dumb@$$. It's all about 'Options' & what you want So GET OVER IT.
Anyway, Was thinking of getting an Elite, but didn't have the 65nm so I guess I'll be waiting till this Fall!!!
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Anyway, Was thinking of getting an Elite, but didn't have the 65nm so I guess I'll be waiting till this Fall!!!
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 10:59AM TonyRockyHorror said
i held off on an elite for just this reason.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:02AM (Unverified) said
Well whatever, I'm waiting until the 360 2 is out before I buy a 360, maybe then they'll stop updating it.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:09AM (Unverified) said
Well I have been waiting for this news for a while.
The only thing that stopped me in the past from buying a 360 was the fact that the 360 tendered to sometimes overheat, amongst other problems.
The good thing is that eventhough I will still have to wait a while I can just think of all the games I want to buy will be coming out when this 360 first hits stores. Im waiting for Banjo Kazooie and ace combat 6. I am also hoping that the dvd drive makes less noise and that the 360 will be a different colour such as blue, so I know that I am buying the model with the new chip in it. Otherwise my only way to tell if the model I bought had the new chip is when I open the box. Someone please tell me if there is any way I can tell that the model has the new chip in it besides opening the box to have a look.
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The only thing that stopped me in the past from buying a 360 was the fact that the 360 tendered to sometimes overheat, amongst other problems.
The good thing is that eventhough I will still have to wait a while I can just think of all the games I want to buy will be coming out when this 360 first hits stores. Im waiting for Banjo Kazooie and ace combat 6. I am also hoping that the dvd drive makes less noise and that the 360 will be a different colour such as blue, so I know that I am buying the model with the new chip in it. Otherwise my only way to tell if the model I bought had the new chip is when I open the box. Someone please tell me if there is any way I can tell that the model has the new chip in it besides opening the box to have a look.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:07AM watership said
"Jay said: Well whatever, I'm waiting until the 360 2 is out before I buy a 360, maybe then they'll stop updating it."
They will never stop updating the 360. Do you know that the PS2 had 19 revisions? The 360 has had like 3 different DVD drives, and who knows what sort of chips swaps or other tiny changes we don't know about. Revisions are part of console manufacturing.
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They will never stop updating the 360. Do you know that the PS2 had 19 revisions? The 360 has had like 3 different DVD drives, and who knows what sort of chips swaps or other tiny changes we don't know about. Revisions are part of console manufacturing.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:08AM (Unverified) said
Finally! If there's a price drop AND cooler chips, 2008 might just be the year I pick up a 360.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:09AM (Unverified) said
So...like...um...does it allow gamers to play games that early adopters can't?
Anyone?
No?
Then what's the damn point, MS?
Constant harware revisions is one of the myriad of reasons I'm a console, not a PC, gamer. Microsoft seems intent on blurring that line. I'm afraid that unless they wow the shit out of me with the next-gen, I'm sticking with Nintendo and Sony. Sorry.
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Anyone?
No?
Then what's the damn point, MS?
Constant harware revisions is one of the myriad of reasons I'm a console, not a PC, gamer. Microsoft seems intent on blurring that line. I'm afraid that unless they wow the shit out of me with the next-gen, I'm sticking with Nintendo and Sony. Sorry.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:09AM Charlie W said
I have no idea why people on this site make such a big deal about switching to a smaller microarchitecture. Yes, it could POTENTIALLY save microsoft money, if their yields are good enough. Yes, it could POTENTIALLY coincide with price drops, if MS feels enough competitive pressure. Yes, it will produce less heat and thus POTENTIALLY create less noise, although that all depends on how MS designs the system. Most of the noise in X360s is the optical drive anyway- that thing is obnoxious. Yes it could potentially cause fewer overheating problems, but again thats all on microsoft. There are plenty of products with 90nm processors that dont overheat. MS just designed the X360 shittily. They could still do the same thing at 65nm.
I think you guys get way to excited about the new chips.
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I think you guys get way to excited about the new chips.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:10AM (Unverified) said
Same here, this fall i will finally buy a 360.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:15AM (Unverified) said
LOL @ "I'm waiting for a BLUE 360 so I know it has the 65nm chip"
what are you smoking? all consoles have hardware revisions including the ps3 and I know for a fact the wii already has had changes made to it's guts.
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what are you smoking? all consoles have hardware revisions including the ps3 and I know for a fact the wii already has had changes made to it's guts.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:16AM (Unverified) said
I'll wait till fall, that's when the big hits are coming out anyway
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:17AM (Unverified) said
@23 - are you talking harware revisions, or firmware updates?
I see your point, but when did the Wii's "guts" change?
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I see your point, but when did the Wii's "guts" change?
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:18AM (Unverified) said
Solution: Wait until Microsoft gets their head out of their ass and stops making a shitload of 360 versions.
So, by the time the "720" comes out, they should be done making 360 renditions every year.
~HotShotX
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So, by the time the "720" comes out, they should be done making 360 renditions every year.
~HotShotX
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:28AM Shogan said
See, this is insane. I was ready to get a 360, then they announced the Elite. Now I WAS ready to get an Elite, but I really want the new smaller chips... in the hopes of the system being even slightly more reliable.
I think at this point, I'll get a used core system or something, then wait till they stop making new 360's. I knew Microsoft would do this. They love 'updating' everything.
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I think at this point, I'll get a used core system or something, then wait till they stop making new 360's. I knew Microsoft would do this. They love 'updating' everything.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:32AM (Unverified) said
The new 65nm chips will be in the core, premium and elite.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:40AM Dummy00001 said
Most people - complaining Elite v. 65nm - miss the point: cheaper chip is better put into mostly sold console - not Elites.
IOW, I would expect MSFT getting out Xbox360 Core with 65nm chips before anything else - since I expect this is most sold SKU.
Use of 65nm in Elite SKU - though would add eliteness - will not help much the losses Xbox business unit has at moment. Making most popular system profitable is priority for them.
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IOW, I would expect MSFT getting out Xbox360 Core with 65nm chips before anything else - since I expect this is most sold SKU.
Use of 65nm in Elite SKU - though would add eliteness - will not help much the losses Xbox business unit has at moment. Making most popular system profitable is priority for them.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:41AM (Unverified) said
Yeah, I suggest all those sucking the Sony teat check out the wiki link below and scroll down to the "Hardware revisions" section on the precious PS2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2
Oh, and what's this?
"The V15 model still has compatibility issues with some PS2 games and PS1 games. There was some criticism since its release due to overheating and some disc read errors."
And this,
"In the beginning of 2005 it was found that some black slimline console power transformers bought between November and December 2004 were faulty and could overheat. The units were recalled by Sony, with the company supplying a replacement model made in 2005."
Wow, and here I was led to believe that Sony was cool, but here they've had 15 revisions of their best-selling system as well as overheating problems.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2
Oh, and what's this?
"The V15 model still has compatibility issues with some PS2 games and PS1 games. There was some criticism since its release due to overheating and some disc read errors."
And this,
"In the beginning of 2005 it was found that some black slimline console power transformers bought between November and December 2004 were faulty and could overheat. The units were recalled by Sony, with the company supplying a replacement model made in 2005."
Wow, and here I was led to believe that Sony was cool, but here they've had 15 revisions of their best-selling system as well as overheating problems.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:43AM (Unverified) said
@25
http://www.tvgame360.com.tw/viewthread.php?tid=15375&extra=page%3D1&page=2
but this is getting offtopic.
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http://www.tvgame360.com.tw/viewthread.php?tid=15375&extra=page%3D1&page=2
but this is getting offtopic.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:45AM (Unverified) said
Ah, one more bit from the wiki that's also worth pointing out,
"Owners of early PS2 models purchased from launch until spring 2003 often reported faulty optical drives in their consoles. The earliest drives suffered from a constantly misaligning laser lens, but later defects were the result of a shift in voltage to the laser. The first problem was easily remedied by opening the console's casing and tweaking a cog that controlled the lens' distance from the disc. However, this action voided the console's warranty. The second problem could be fixed by using an oscillator. After many consoles had broken down, a class action lawsuit was filed against Sony. Sony agreed to provide free repair or replacement for the faulty consoles and continued to do so until February, 2005."
So no more arguing that MS makes a crappy console. Class action lawsuits seem to say it all.
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"Owners of early PS2 models purchased from launch until spring 2003 often reported faulty optical drives in their consoles. The earliest drives suffered from a constantly misaligning laser lens, but later defects were the result of a shift in voltage to the laser. The first problem was easily remedied by opening the console's casing and tweaking a cog that controlled the lens' distance from the disc. However, this action voided the console's warranty. The second problem could be fixed by using an oscillator. After many consoles had broken down, a class action lawsuit was filed against Sony. Sony agreed to provide free repair or replacement for the faulty consoles and continued to do so until February, 2005."
So no more arguing that MS makes a crappy console. Class action lawsuits seem to say it all.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:49AM (Unverified) said
"a newer, cooler, and cheaper (to manufacture) Xbox 360 should be here in the fall"
M$ will not drop the price....they need to actually make money in the Entertainment Division of Microsoft. So now that it's cheaper to build, their no longer losing money on each console. Plus charging $179 for a 120GB hard drive should make them further money.
360 is still a uber PS2....at $399 for the premium, it's wayyy overpriced.
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M$ will not drop the price....they need to actually make money in the Entertainment Division of Microsoft. So now that it's cheaper to build, their no longer losing money on each console. Plus charging $179 for a 120GB hard drive should make them further money.
360 is still a uber PS2....at $399 for the premium, it's wayyy overpriced.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:50AM (Unverified) said
I'm all for a cooler and quieter 360
Had the Elite offered that, it would have been a no-brainer purchase. Instead, I'm holding off.
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Had the Elite offered that, it would have been a no-brainer purchase. Instead, I'm holding off.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 11:56AM jaysins said
Some of you are whiny as hell. The wii will be getting a dvd player and a die shrink eventually as will the the PS3. The snes even went through 3 cpu revisions and the PS lineup has gone through numerous and even more dramatic changes so it's ridiculous to say this is a MS related incident or that MS needs to get their head out of there ass with this.
Die shrink is one of the many ways to reduce the cost of the system and important for significant price drops in the future. It allows the companies to manufacture more chip on the same amount of die with about the same amount of material. It also has added benefits, makes the system run cooler and more efficient and allows for other hardware to be slimmed down like PSU.
Oh and if you didn't see this coming, and don't think it will happen to PS3 and wii than your a moron. Each manufacture has done it in the pas and will continue to do it again. Watch how small the PS3 is in 4 years.
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Die shrink is one of the many ways to reduce the cost of the system and important for significant price drops in the future. It allows the companies to manufacture more chip on the same amount of die with about the same amount of material. It also has added benefits, makes the system run cooler and more efficient and allows for other hardware to be slimmed down like PSU.
Oh and if you didn't see this coming, and don't think it will happen to PS3 and wii than your a moron. Each manufacture has done it in the pas and will continue to do it again. Watch how small the PS3 is in 4 years.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:02PM (Unverified) said
And I disagree Microsoft "needs" to make money in their entertainment division.
I think they're going after market share with the goal to minimize losses over time.
Microsoft is all about the long term. Windows wasn't initially successful and lost money for years too. Same with their PDA/smartphone software.
As far a price drop, it'll inevitably happen. Typically it occurs after cost controls and improvements in manufacturing are in place, and sales have dipped.
If I had to guess, I'd say a price reduction in 2008 is likely, although I'd certainly like to see it by th end of 2007. If we don't see a price reduction by October/November, expect to see bundles or rebates instead.
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I think they're going after market share with the goal to minimize losses over time.
Microsoft is all about the long term. Windows wasn't initially successful and lost money for years too. Same with their PDA/smartphone software.
As far a price drop, it'll inevitably happen. Typically it occurs after cost controls and improvements in manufacturing are in place, and sales have dipped.
If I had to guess, I'd say a price reduction in 2008 is likely, although I'd certainly like to see it by th end of 2007. If we don't see a price reduction by October/November, expect to see bundles or rebates instead.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:01PM kingofwale said
This is such an excellent move by Microsoft.. think about it, they shush-shush about this 65 nm UNTIL Elite comes out and people bought them go "wait... it's not in there"?
now they can justify ANOTHER price increase by introducing xbox 360 Ultimate!
Bravo Microsoft, smart marketing! ;)
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now they can justify ANOTHER price increase by introducing xbox 360 Ultimate!
Bravo Microsoft, smart marketing! ;)
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:07PM (Unverified) said
Well, this was the only thing holding me back from buying an Elite. Thanks Joystiq. Now I won't go blow my Money this summer.
Now I can get a quieter DVD drive, a nice big HHD, AND 65mm chips.
It's going to be painful waiting for them all Summer while my friends play Rainbow 6, GoW, and the Halo 3 Beta, but I think I'll survive.... WHY DO YOU HAVE TO COME OUT IN THE FALL!?
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Now I can get a quieter DVD drive, a nice big HHD, AND 65mm chips.
It's going to be painful waiting for them all Summer while my friends play Rainbow 6, GoW, and the Halo 3 Beta, but I think I'll survive.... WHY DO YOU HAVE TO COME OUT IN THE FALL!?
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:07PM (Unverified) said
Wait, are the Graphics chips coming out May 2007, or May 2008?
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:05PM (Unverified) said
I would like to know the sells of the Elite after this week. It'd be interesting to know how many first time buyers or just people who want a 360 actually bought it. I think the results would be surprising.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:12PM AirIntake said
Has everybody here gone retarded or something? Consoles have ALWAYS undergone revisions.
"OMG, Sega Genesis 2 came out and it has STEREO composite plugs and no headphone jack! My Genny 1 is USELESS now!"
Not to mention the countless noticeable and unnoticeable revisions that went on with the PS1 and PS2.
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"OMG, Sega Genesis 2 came out and it has STEREO composite plugs and no headphone jack! My Genny 1 is USELESS now!"
Not to mention the countless noticeable and unnoticeable revisions that went on with the PS1 and PS2.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:13PM baby sea tuna said
"13. i held off on an elite for just this reason."
I held off on an Elite cause I couldn't find one.
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I held off on an Elite cause I couldn't find one.
Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:15PM (Unverified) said
Sweet! Third time's the charm. I'll miss you FrankTheCrank.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2007 12:16PM (Unverified) said
It's about freakin' time! I'll wait for this revision before I buy a 360.
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