PSM: Sixaxis will rumble this year

by John Bardinelli { May 24th 2007 at 8:33AM }

According to a GameFAQs forum member, the latest issue of PSM revives the PS3 Sixaxis rumble rumors, hinting once again that Sony could integrate the "last-gen feature" into upcoming controllers. According to the magazine's rumor section, Sony will announce rumble support at E3 for a release in mid-November. The re-designed controller will allow both tilting and rumble, united at long last thanks to the settled courtroom battle between Sony and Immersion.

Tags: immersion, ps3, psm, rumble, rumor, sixasis, sony

Reader Comments (Page 3 of 7)

JodyAnthony @ May 24th 2007 12:15PM

"Pain, suffering, and eternal damnation awaits those who dare question God's infinite love.

It also awaits those who buy Nintendo products."

hahaha, comment of the day!

Kite @ May 24th 2007 12:16PM

I think it is good that the ps3 finally gets its rumble back. Off course, they could have gotten it right from the start, but there is no need to look back to the past in my opinion.

Overall a good decision, if this rumor turns out to be true.

Ah, who am I kidding, this post will be lost through all the flaming. I still don't get why people like to shit on each other over the internet.

LongshotX @ May 24th 2007 12:18PM

Jack,

That's an easy answer. With free will comes choices. If God were to say "Adam, Eve, you will only eat from these trees, and you will stay in this area, and you will only be doing this etc", then we would basically be commanding them to do so. That is not free will. Unlike his other creations, the angels, we humans were given CHOICE. We don't have to do anything, I don't have to obey the laws of God but I choose to. This is why a third of the angels turned against God: out of rebellion and jealousy. They wanted to be like us. This is why Lucifer in the Garden of Eden, persuaded both Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil. He was jealous of our creation. He wanted to be like us, but he failed from the very beginning. God knew what was going to happen from the beginning but he didn't interfere because that would be dictating our Choices. It is our choices that allow us to do as we please, without them we are just slaves to life. And many of the events that were "set up" are test of our individual wills and the choices we make. The Choice is yours: I choose to believe and you don't. Does that make me a loser?

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 12:19PM

Ya know what? I think from now on I'll call the Xbox 360 "five Xboxes duct taped together."

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 12:20PM

Have you heard of Coincidence? Why would a creater that gave us the power of freewill, contradict himself by setting up certain events?

Not to metion why "create" a universe so big and put life on only 1 planet.

If we were the only ones and so fracking important...
and "God" is not only omnipotent but perfect...than why put us in the boonies of the Universe...should we not be not only Downtown but should we not be on Boardwalk?

Earth is the 3rd planet from the Sun. Why not make us the center planet. Why have any other planets at all?

The Solar sytsem the center of the Milky Way...we are almost at the end of an arm. Should we not be located in the center of the Milky Way?

The Milky Way is no where near the center of the Universe. It is not even located in a cluster of galaxies...most galaxies are in clusters, so should we not be in the biggest cluster?

If I were an omnipotent being and perfect to boot, I would most certainly put the only life at the center of all I created to show my "children" how much they mean to me.

At times our ideas of God have served us well.
They have been quoted as the inspiration for acts of incredible benevolence.
Conversely, they have been used as the inspiration for acts of horrible cruelty and terrible violence as man has contemplated his place in the universe.

Holy wars, crusades, jihads, these are some of the darkest, most violent acts of aggression mankind has committed unto himself, and they were all done in the name of his religions.

These are the choices for behaviors, individuals have made.

These are the acts of violence we reject, yesterday, today, and forever.

Where have our concepts of God failed us, it is at the point which one creation is asked to harm another, it is at the time when one concept of God is held above another.
It is at the time when our weakness as mortal beings with a finite view of forever cannot conceive of unending, pure, infinite, unconditional love.

Now is the time to move forward in a positive and peaceful manner, as we embrace the merging of intelligence and spirituality and move together into a space of higher consciousness and a future of seemingly unimaginable possibilities, and abandon our tiny concepts of God before we destroy one another forever...
The idea that an omnipresent creator
would ordain free will on the created,
sending them into darkness
then reveal the truth about his nature
to a select few supposedly ordained
to distribute throughout the world
an unveiling of the nature
of an insecure, violent, sometimes kind, child killing God,
sounds more like the musings of some kind of heavenly crack addict
than anything we should worship or model ourselves after...

Lyrics by "Corporate Avenger"

back to topic...
Kill the Wee
Kill but support the 360
Kill the Wee

JodyAnthony @ May 24th 2007 12:23PM

also wouldnt the wii REALLY be two gamecubes, an NES, SNES, Genesis, TG16, and an N64 duct taped together?

Almack64 @ May 24th 2007 12:24PM

Man I'm so late to this party. And actually after reading through most of this crap, I'm tired. Here's my two cents.

The wii may be a Gamecube redesign or upgrade. But just like any other upgrade or redesign it costs more (I'm looking at you PSX and you XElite)

You pay more for the extra effeciency,
more for the Wifi
more for the blue-tooth and wireless controller
more for the sd support and internal memory
more for the larger optical disk support which will allow bigger games
more for the webrowser and email support
even more for the sleek new look (yes people pay more for just visual changes)

So regardless of whether or not you think the wii is a Gamecube with added feature shouldn't change the reasoning that it costs more than a Gamecube. The wii also has more features than the PS2 so to say they should be the same price is just stupid.

And to quote Jody
"well, two gamecubes would be $200, and a roll of duct tape would be about $5. The other $45 i guess is for the demo disk, i mean wii sports, and the contoller."

You say wii fans are blind but your reasoning is just stupid. The heart of a matter a system does not have to have better looking games to be better than its predecessor. There are many other things that can be considered "value added"

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 12:25PM

Longshot

Why would he allow such evil in the first place? Is god a sadistic asshole? If he is all powerful and loving then he should snap he fingers and save us the pain of freewill.

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 12:27PM

No, Jody, because that would imply that emulation can be tossed into the aggregate console equation.

Thinking back to my earlier statement, I don't think the 360 can be five Xboxes or even one. That would imply that the 360 can natively play Xbox games, which it CAN'T.

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 12:29PM

Jebus is the man. We would have some crazy conversations.

JodyAnthony @ May 24th 2007 12:30PM

I play fun video games. PS3 games are fun but I think they will be more fun with rumble. I have enjoied rumble in video games since the N64. I think it adds something to the game. I'm not saying a game without rumble can't be fun, but a game with rumble just has that little extra something to it.

Almack64 @ May 24th 2007 12:31PM

@112
I kinda forgot this post was about rumble in the PS3. :0

Kye @ May 24th 2007 12:32PM

Thank you for the internets!

LongshotX I was aware that you were a spy all along, thats why I gave you a dud heart ring. all along I was using the real heart ring to find out what you know. I learned very little sadly.

BM you are now an honerary NDF member. Arise and take this heart ring (the real one)

I dub thee bm - the newest NDF member. Where this ring with pride

JesseJames @ May 24th 2007 12:35PM

360 Fanboys and some Wii fanboys are trying to spin this into a negative. I bought rumble controllers when Sony introduced them; I have a total of eight controllers for both the PS1 and PS2; I didn't piss and moan; when they introduced rumble I said; hey that's cool, I'm going to buy it.

If Sony officially announces the Sixaxis rumble controller;

"Hey that's cool, I'm going to buy it"

Thanks and what else do you have coming!

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 12:37PM

Im done with religion. Its too depressing for me to talk about the truth of humankind.

Kye

Did you find those rings in a Cracker Jack Box?

JonnyBoy2U @ May 24th 2007 12:41PM

Wow you sony fanboys are truly desperate aren't you. Why is it that you can't allow Nintendo fans to enjoy the Wii without your pointless bashing? Yes the Wii has poorer graphics when compared to the ps3 and 360. WE KNOW. WE GET IT. Theres no need to cry about it. Guess what!? WE DO NOT CARE. We obviously don't care a lot since we STILL BOUGHT THE SYSTEM. Added to the fact that despite what you want so much to believe the Wii has awesome games and more are coming this fall and next year.

Just because YOU don't find Mario, Zelda, or any of the other games on it attractive or fun doesn't mean the rest of us should hate the Wii. Its all about preferences. I happen to prefer both the Wii and the 360. They both have excellent games and the systems provide great quality/value for the amount of money you spend to buy them. Plain and simple. I don't see any value in the ps3 and therefore I don't want it. Added to the horrible commercials they've put out and the ridiculous statements I've read from sony execs theres nothing on this Earth that would make me get a ps3 now or in the future except MAYBE FFXIII.

Continue to moan and whine about religion and the Wii. Its not going to change the facts that the Wii is doing great and that most people in the world do believe in a higher power. Yes Religion is responsible for some bad things in the world but its also responsible for a lot of good.

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 12:46PM

JonnyBoy

"Yes Religion is responsible for some bad things in the world but its also responsible for a lot of good."

What? Making you ignorant to the truth? Stupid people use god(s) as an explaination of things they do not understand. Look at Mythology.

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 12:46PM

I will only say one thing about religious debates: an overzealous atheist is just as bad as a hardcore religious nut. One will say you will burn for not believing what he/she believes, the other will ridicule your intelligence for not believing what he/she believes.

For an idea of what a world dominated by atheists would be like, watch the two-part Wii episode of South Park.

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 12:49PM

"Pain, suffering, and eternal damnation awaits those who dare question God's infinite love."

Thank you Longshot for making my point so clear.

Why does your "God" not want us to question everything? Should we just accept things without asking why?

Why do "God" want you to fear him?

I love my cat...do I tell my cat that if he does not believe in me that he is going to suffer and burn?
No, that's ridiculous.

I love my kids...do I tell my kids that if they don't accept my love and if they ever question anything I do that they will suffer and burn?
No, again, ridiculous.

Why does there have to be a Hell?
Answer...to maintain control of the weak. To strike down any questioning of all of the MANMADE RELIGIONS

That is the crux of it all.

Every Single Religion in the history of man be it monotheistic or Polytheistic...is all made up by humans.

Humans could not explain why the Sun did what it did.
Humans could not explain why it rained, why it thundered, why there were fires, why people suffered and died. So, lacking any technology to show them why they did the only thing they could. They decided that there must be a "God or Gods" that we are not pleasing...so they must please them or continue to suffer.

If you think about it everyone is Atheist...the only difference between me and Religious people is that they are only Atheist to every God or Gods except their own.

If you were born in a Muslim country, you would most likely be a Muslim.

You were born in the US so you are a Christian.

Why, because your parents are. That is why.

Think for yourself..try it...question authority ask why..I did, in the seventh grade my Atheist dad wanted to expose me to religion so that I could make up my own mind. Mid-way thru the school year I could no longer get in trouble no matter what I did. Every time my teacher sent me to the Father's office I would ask him questions about God, religion and why, why, why...he could not give me an answer that made sense to me. His repeated answer to what God was..
God is
God was
God will be, and always has been....here.
I said that makes no sense...he got sick of me asking so many questions, he even asked me why I keep asking him questions and why I could not just accept God.
So, he got intimidated by me and refused to see me for the rest of the year.

Last thing, as an Atheist, I will allow my children to be whatever and believe in whatever they want to...even if it means that they become religious.

How many Christian, Muslim, Jewish parents would do the same.

Boy, the irony of that one. The
Atheist allows his offspring a free choice.

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 12:55PM

"what a world dominated by atheists would be like"

Well, for one, science will not be writtin off anymore and will have its full potential to cure diseases and find new meanings to the universe we live in. Life isn't a fucking fairytale! When you grew up and increased your IQ you realized that there is no toothfairy, Easter Bunny, or any of the made up shit you learned as a child. God is one of those fairytale they brainwash you with as a child. Come on now guys. Open your eyes! You believe in a guy thats perfect, made the universe at the snap of his fingers & is all loving, but will throw you in hell for not believing in his ways. Bullshit! He set us up for failure!

Digi Smalls @ May 24th 2007 12:57PM

" The 360 is still trying to play catch up with the features of the last gen PS2. All Sony is doing is raising the bar yet again. "

PS2 features huh..

honest question, do xbots on joystiq ever sound like jessejames?

and Matt B, how is it that you and sheppy are the only two gamers on the planet who dislike rumble?

.

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 1:00PM

Jebus

They cannot counter our comments. We will provide more rational anwsers to there statements.

Almack64 @ May 24th 2007 1:02PM

I just wish someone would comment on my statement about the wii having more value added features in it. Or maybe that was just longshot who disagreed and he's probably taking that test right now.

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 1:04PM

Jack is like the polar opposite of the Bible beater, and I prefer to stand right in the middle.

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 1:05PM

"I will only say one thing about religious debates: an overzealous atheist is just as bad as a hardcore religious nut. One will say you will burn for not believing what he/she believes, the other will ridicule your intelligence for not believing what he/she believes.

For an idea of what a world dominated by atheists would be like, watch the two-part Wii episode of South Park."

BS, and BS to both...here is why.

A religious nutt will kill for his "God"
A militant Atheist will not.
Atheists live by reason, and rationality, they question why things are the way they are, and if they can be fixed or made better.

South Park? Are you kidding me?

I would think a good example of a world run by Atheists would be the Federation...never mind the technology just the concept.

Some Christians automatically hate Jews, some Jews automatically hate Christians, some Muslims Automatically hate Jews and Christians...never mind the fact that they all worship the same "God"

Atheists do not hate someone just because of their religious beliefs, if they choose to hate someone, it is always for a valid reason. For example a child molester, George "dubya" Bush.

I will not kill in the name of no "God"
Religious nutts will and continue to do so.

bm @ May 24th 2007 1:06PM

hahaha wtf @ this thread

Matt B @ May 24th 2007 1:06PM

Digi,

Maybe because I felt it didn't add anything or maybe it was just poorly implemented. I don't need a physical reaction to the car riding a wall, I know I'm on the wall anyway.

On the religion side:
I believe in myself. For without myself, I can do nothing.

JodyAnthony @ May 24th 2007 1:08PM

"Atheists do not hate someone just because of their religious beliefs"

except the ones that hate people that have religious beliefs.

BPM @ May 24th 2007 1:08PM

[sigh]
Yet again, another stupid fanboy flame war. This is getting really old and tiresome.

Hell, it's making me sleepy.

ManBearPig, signing out.

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 1:08PM

@Almack

I'll comment. Look back to post 96 to see my views.

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 1:11PM

Hey Jack or anyone that likes a good book and for those of you that are comfortable enough with your "faith" to question it.

Read Richard Dawkins "The God Dilusion"

His arguments are on another level compared to Jack's or mine.

Why is it that 99% of the worlds most brilliant mind be it past or present are or were Atheist.

Ponder that one.

6 of our Founding fathers were either Atheist or Agnostic, that is the truth no matter what someone else tells you...don't take my word for it...find out for yourself.

Crono @ May 24th 2007 1:12PM

So believing the entire universe came from a single infintesimally small speck of matter that blew up for no reason to create THE UNIVERSE makes more sense than an intellegent creator God forming all the complex physics and systems of not only the universe but of the very creatures and cells in every living thing with the power of His hands.

Athiesm is as much a religion as any god believing one. Tell me Jack, where did the speck come from?

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 1:12PM

@Jebus

"I will not kill in the name of no 'God'
Religious nutts will and continue to do so."

So killing NOT in the name of God is okay?

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 1:13PM

"except the ones that hate people that have religious beliefs."

Jody, I do not hate religious people...I just sometimes question their sanity.

I do Hate all organized religion...that is the difference...I hate a concept of disinformation and delusion...not the people that believe in it.

JesseJames @ May 24th 2007 1:14PM

Woo Hoo! Don't let me beat you in a contest with Cooking mama? Dice, Dice, Dice, Chop Chop, Add a Dash of Salt.

Sample question from the very entertaining wii vote channel.

Have you ever written a fan letter?

Yeah; that's groundbreaking!

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 1:15PM

"Why is it that 99% of the worlds most brilliant mind be it past or present are or were Atheist.

Ponder that one."

99% of brilliant minds shared the same views? They followed the flock? And where did this number come from?

"6 of our Founding fathers were either Atheist or Agnostic, that is the truth no matter what someone else tells you...don't take my word for it...find out for yourself."

Agnosticism is a different beast altogether from atheism and shouldn't be spoken of as if they were the same thing.

JodyAnthony @ May 24th 2007 1:16PM

lol @ jessejames thinking people are going to take him seriously.

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 1:17PM

"So killing NOT in the name of God is okay?"

What kind of jackass statement is this?

I will kill only if it were him or me, or if someone were trying to kill my family..other than that, the only living things I would kill are bugs, and animals for food....mmmmm....steak,,,ggggaaaaawwwww....bacon.

Religious nutts will fly airplanes into buildings.
I will fly in a plane to go somewhere...see? It is not so difficult is it.

See Jack?
I cannot help myself when I am given such amunition...I have to fire back...it is just too much fun.

Kite @ May 24th 2007 1:18PM

@Jack (I absolutely couldn't stand it)

Just to point out: you can't really artificially increase your IQ after a certain age. You can get better at the tests, but you can't forcefully raise it. The thing where you learn stuff by living it is called life experience.

Also, I presume you know that the right for a religion is a basic human right. So, while you are entitled to state your opinion, I don't think you may diss others for their opinion and/or religion.
Even if you wanted to, you couldn't.

It is also a human right that no one can take these rights away from us. So you have actually no right to play the world's knight in shining armour, on your (holy?) crusade against religion.

While I do value your own opinion, I think it would be good to just think a bit about what you said or are going to say. The people that know you (and I don't mean the ones commenting on joystiq) might thank you for it someday. But of course, you are probably totally different in real life :p

I just wanted to get this out of my system, thanks for reading. (And don't comment on spelling or grammatical errors please :p)

Vidikron @ May 24th 2007 1:19PM

@133

Your trying equate a lack of scietific knowledge about the beginnings of the universe with what amounts to a belief in magic. Not exactly the same thing.

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 1:20PM

@Jebus

So, if someone commits an act of terrorism, it must be because they are a religious nut? I must be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that terrorism can be driven by politics and money as well.

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 1:21PM

Crono

Think that speck came from a "divine" power that snapped his fingers is more ridiculous than the big bang.

megaStryke @ May 24th 2007 1:23PM

@Jack

So where did the speck come from?

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 1:23PM

mega

Politics use religion to control people. Look anywhere in the world.

Crono @ May 24th 2007 1:24PM

99% eh? I'd like you to name some names.

I'll name a few that were Christian. As well as what we owe them.

ANTISEPTIC SURGERY - JOSEPH LISTER (1827-1912)
BACTERIOLOGY - LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
CALCULUS - ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
CELESTIAL MECHANICS - JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
CHEMISTRY - ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
COMPARATIVE ANATOMY - GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)
COMPUTER SCIENCE - CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
DIMENSIONAL ANALYSIS - LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
DYNAMICS - ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
ELECTRONICS - JOHN AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)
ELECTRODYNAMICS - JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
ELECTRO-MAGNETICS - MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
ENERGETICS - LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
ENTOMOLOGY OF LIVING INSECTS - HENRI FABRE (1823-1915)
FIELD THEORY - MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
FLUID MECHANICS - GEORGE STOKES (1819-1903)
GALACTIC ASTRONOMY - WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
GAS DYNAMICS - ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
GENETICS - GREGOR MENDEL (1822-1884)
GLACIAL GEOLOGY - LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
GYNECOLOGY - JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
HYDRAULICS - LEONARDO DA VINCI (1452-1519)
HYDROGRAPHY - MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
HYDROSTATICS - BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
ICHTHYOLOGY - LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
ISOTOPIC CHEMISTRY - WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
MODEL ANALYSIS - LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
NATURAL HISTORY - JOHN RAY (1627-1705)
NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY - BERNHARD RIEMANN (1826- 1866)
OCEANOGRAPHY - MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
OPTICAL MINERALOGY - DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
PALEONTOLOGY - JOHN WOODWARD (1665-1728)
PATHOLOGY - RUDOLPH VIRCHOW (1821-1902)
PHYSICAL ASTRONOMY - JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
REVERSIBLE THERMODYNAMICS - JAMES JOULE (1818-1889)
STATISTICAL THERMODYNAMICS - JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
STRATIGRAPHY - NICHOLAS STENO (1631-1686)
SYSTEMATIC BIOLOGY - CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
THERMODYNAMICS - LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
THERMOKINETICS - HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)
VERTEBRATE PALEONTOLOGY - GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)

So, if by 99%, you mean Steven Hawking, then yes, 99% were athiests.

Jebus Crust @ May 24th 2007 1:25PM

"99% of brilliant minds shared the same views? They followed the flock? And where did this number come from?"

Almost all of the earth's greatest thinkers, scientists, famous philosophers, were proven to be or have told us that they were Atheists.

If you want me to name them it will be a very long list.
Just think about the world's greatest thinkers and google them...find out who they were as humans, find out about the era's they lived in, the political climates...and you will see who they really were.

Ok...you forced me to do it...I am gonna list them for you...it will probably blow up this thread but here you go...

Famous Atheists, Freethinkers, Diests and Agnostics
This compilation of quotes, from some of the worlds greatest thinkers, gives me hope that our battle is just. There is a

chance that some day the realities of Science will overcome the obscurities of Theology.

Of Time–Life’s 100 most influential people of the Millenium, this list includes 19 of them, and 5 are in the top 10.

Abraham Lincoln

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).
Albert Einstein

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."

-Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

Aldous Huxley

"You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough."

-Aldous Huxley, author "Roots"
Andrew Carnegie

"I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life."

- Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist
Isaac Asimov

"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say that one is an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or agnostic. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time."

"Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night"

-Isaac Asimov, Russian-born - American author

Ernest Hemingway

"All thinking men are atheists."

On page 144 of Paul Johnson's book Intellectuals, it states that despite being raised in a strict Congregationalist household, Ernest "did not only not believe in God but regarded organized religion as a menace to human happiness", "seems to have been devoid of the religious spirit", and "ceased to practise religion at the earliest possible moment."
Other's have pointed out that Hemingway used the non-existence of God as a theme in his books.

- Ernest Hemingway, American author (1899-1961).

Arthur C. Clarke

"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him."

"Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?"

Arthur C. Clarke, author

Charles Darwin

From the age of forty he was, to use his own words, a complete dis-believer in Christianity. He professed himself an Agnostic, regarding the problem of the universe as beyond our solution, "For myself," he wrote, "I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic."

"It appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against christianity and theism produce hardly any effect on the public; and freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds which follows from the advance of science." [Quoted in How We Believe: The Search for God in an Age of Science by Michael Shermer.

Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist (1809-1882).

Ayn Rand

"Faith is the commitment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof. A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition. Faith is the equation of feeling with knowledge. "

-Ayn Rand, Russian-born author (1905-1982).
(The Fountainhead)
Benjamin Franklin

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."

"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches."

-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
Dave Matthews

"I'm glad some people have that faith. I don't have that faith. If there is a God, a caring God, then we have to figure he's done an extraordinary job of making a very cruel world."

-Dave Matthews, South African rock musician
Carl Sagan

"My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it. An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic."

-Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author

Bertrand Russell

"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race."

"Fear is the parent of cruelty, therefore it is no wonder if religion and cruelty have gone hand-in-hand."

"I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. I am not young, and I love life. But I should scorn to shiver with terror at the thought of annihilation. Happiness is none the less true happiness because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value because they are not everlasting."

"I am myself a dissenter from all known religions, and I hope that every kind of religious belief will die out."

- Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathematician, and social critic (1872-1970).

Billy Joel

"I wasn't raised Catholic, but I used to go to Mass with my friends, and I viewed the whole business as a lot of very enthralling hocus-pocus. There's a guy hanging upon the wall in the church, nailed to a cross and dripping blood, and everybody's blaming themselves for that man's torment, but I said to myself, 'Forget it. I had no hand in that evil. I have no original sin. There’s no blood of any sacred martyr on my hands. I pass on all of this."

"I believe that all important matters have to be settled here, not in the clouds somewhere after we kick off."

-Billy Joel, American musician

Clarence Darrow

"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure. "

"I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don’t believe in either. I don’t believe in God as I don’t believe in Mother Goose."

- Clarence Seward Darrow, American lawyer (1857-1938). (Scopes Monkey Trail- Creationism in schools)
"Religion is just mind control."

- George Carlin, comedian

Elizabeth Cady-Stanton

"The memory of my own suffering has prevented me from ever shadowing one young soul with the superstitions of the Christian religion."

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation."

"The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire...Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up."

She wrote of the Bible, "I found nothing grand in the history of the Jews nor in the morals inculcated in the Pentateuch. Surely the writers had a very low idea of the nature of their god. They made him not only anthropomorphic, but of the very lowest type, jealous and revengeful, loving violence rather than mercy. I know of no other books that so fully teach the subjection and degradation of women." [Women Without Superstition]

- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, American suffragist (1815-1902).

Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire"

"Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror."

"Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world."

"Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense." [Philosophical Dictionary, 1764]
"Superstition, born of paganism and adopted by Judaism, invested the Christian Church from earliest times. All the fathers of the Church, without exception, believed in the power of magic. The Church always condemned magic, but she always believed in it: she did not excommunicate sorcerers as madmen who were mistaken, but as men who were really in communication with the devil." [Philosophical Dictionary, 1764]

"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities."
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."

Perhaps never really an atheist, nonetheless, Voltaire changed late in life into a fearless crusader against religious cruelty and injustice. In Voltaire’s time it was forbidden to be an Atheist. Admitting to be one, brought the death sentence. Hence he was a Diest for most of his life.

- Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright (1694-1778).

Frank Zappa

"If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working. "

-Frank Zappa, American musician
Galileo Galilei

"They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit."

-Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer

Freidrich Nietzsche

"Faith means not wanting to know what is true."

"So long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being, there cannot be any answer to the question: What is truth?"

"The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit; it is at the same time subjection, a self-derision, and self-mutilation."

"All religions bear traces of the fact that they arose during the intellectual immaturity of the human race – before it had learned the obligations to speak the truth. Not one of them makes it the duty of its God to be truthful and understandable in his communications."

"The most serious parody I have ever heard was this: In the beginning was nonsense, and the nonsense was with God, and the nonsense was God."

"There is no devil and no hell. Thy soul will be dead even sooner than thy body: fear therefore nothing any more."

- Friedrich Nietzsche, German philologist and philosopher (1844-1900).

Gene Roddenberry

"I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."

-Gene Roddenberry, Creator of Star Trek (1921-1991).
George Bernard Shaw

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

"At present there is not a single credible established religion in the world."

- George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright (1856-1950).

Arthur Rubenstein, Polish-American pianist (1886-1982).
During a radio interview with Rubenstein the conversation took a sharp turn away from music when the interviewer suddeenly asked, "Mr. Rubenstein, do you believe in God?" Rubenstein calmly replied, "No. You see, what I believe in is something much greater."

Gloria Steinam

"By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God."

"It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous."

-Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist
Helen Keller

"There is so much in the bible against which every insinct of my being rebels, so much so that I regret the necessity which has compelled me to read it through from beginning to end. I do not think that the knowledge I have gained of its history and sources compensates me for the unpleasant details it has forced upon my attention."

-Helen Keller, American lecturer

James Madison, American president and political theorist (1751-1836).
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, Famous Atheist & Quotessuperstition, bigotry, and persecution."
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."

-John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

John Stuart Mill

"The time appears to me to have come when it is the duty of all to make their dissent from religion known."

- John Stuart Mill, English philosopher and economist (1806-1873). Freethinker, if not strictly atheist.
Karl Marx

"The wretchedness of religion is at once an expression and a protest against real wretchedness. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the feeling of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of unspiritual conditions. It is the opium of the people."

"The social principles of Christianity preach cowardice, self-contempt, abasement, submission, humility, in a word all the qualities of the canaille."

- Karl Marx, German political philosopher and economist (1818-1883).

Leo Tolstoy

"To regard Christ as God, and to pray to him, are to my mind the greatest possible sacrilege."

-Leo Tolstoy, Russian revolutionary
Marilyn Manson

"Who wants to go to Heaven with all those asshole angels?"

-Marilyn Manson, American rock musician

Kurt Vonnegut

"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile."

-Kurt Vonnegut, American author
Napoleon Bonaparte

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."

"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."

"All religions have been made by men."

-Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

Dr. James Watson

"I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch."

-Dr. James Watson, American biologist, (Discoverer of DNA.)
Frank Zappa, American musician (1940-1993).
"Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?"
"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be."
"If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine -- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good -- and CARES about any of it -- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working." [The Real Frank Zappa Book, ("Church and State" chapter) by Frank Zappa and Peter Occhiogrosso, p. 301]

Jawaharlal Nehru, Indian statesman (1889-1964).
A self-professed atheist, he said of India, "No country or people who are slaves to dogma and dogmatic mentality can progress." [Key Ideas in Human Thought]

James Joyce, Irish author (1882-1941).
Joyce rejected Catholicism and indeed all religion when he was a young man (as portrayed in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man). He considered Catholicism to be "black magic", and deplored its anti-individuality. "For me there is ony one alternative to scholasticism, scepticism." He also rejected the church's moralizing, etc. etc.

Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken, American editor and critic (1880-1956).
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the same extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
Religion is "so absurd that it comes close to imbecility." ["Treatise on the Gods"]
"Since the early days, [the church] has thrown itself violently against every effort to liberate the body and mind of man. It has been, at all times and everywhere, the habitual and incorrigible defender of bad governments, bad laws, bad social theories, bad institutions. It was, for centuries, an apologist for slavery, as it was an apologist for the divine right of kings."
"Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable. . . . A man full of faith is simply one who has lost (or never had) the capacity for clear and realistic thought. He is not a mere ass: he is actually ill."
"God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above their betters." [from the alt.quotations archive, found from http://www.starlingtech.com/quotes/search.html]
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." [1925]
"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."
"For centuries, theologians have attempted to explain the unknowable in terms of the-not-worth-knowing."
"The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind."
John Lennon, British musician (1940-1980).
Lennon rejected religion and dogma, but he was not really an atheist - he espoused a sort of vague spirituality.

From the song "Imagine"
"Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, imagine all the people Living for today. . .
Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too ."

From the song, "God,"
"God is a concept By which we measure Our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-Ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus"

And, from the song, "I Found Out"
"There ain't no Jesus gonna come from the sky Now that I found out I know I can cry, I found out! "

Walter "Walt" Disney, American cartoonist, showman, and film producer (1901-1966).
I had one report that Disney was non-religious. Apparently, he was not a member of any religion and did not attend services. Also, he apparently had an entirely secular funeral. It was "very private" and off-limits to the press, perhaps to conceal it was not religious. There is no "In God we Trust" on Disney Dollars!

Olof Palme, Swedish prime minister (1927-1986).
Palme is said to be partly responsible for the current state of wide-spread disbelief in Sweden. He had conflicts with the Church of Sweden during his administration, because he wished to separate it completely from the state. He said, "human beings will find a balanced situation when they do good things not because God says it, but because they feel like doing them."

Margaret Sanger, American birth control activist, founder of Planned Parenthood (1883-1966).
"No Gods, No Masters."
Frank Lloyd Wright

"I believe in God, only I spell it Nature."

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Frank Lloyd Wright, American architect (1869-1959).
Denis Diderot

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

-Denis Diderot, French philosopher, author, and encyclopedist (1713-1784).

Sir Alfred Hitchcock, British film director (1899-1980).
I have heard that in later life, Hitchcock become areligious. If you have any information on his beliefs, please let me know. Here is an anecdote that may illustrate his growing anti-religious sentiments. (Though at the time he was apparently still a church-going Catholic.)
Driving through a Swiss city one day, Hitchcock suddenly pointed out of the car window and said, "That is the most frightening sight I have ever seen." His companion was surprised to see nothing more alarming that a priest in conversation with a little boy, his hand on the child's shoulder. "Run, little boy," cried Hitchcock, leaning out of the car. "Run for your life!"
Karl Popper, Austrian/British philosopher (1902-1994).
He was the author of such well-known works as The Logic of Scientific Discovery, The Open Society and Its Enemies, The Poverty of Historicism, Conjectures and Refutations, and many others. He was particularly influential in the philosophy of science for his defense of fallibilism and his critique of induction. Popper described himself as an agnostic, and he was a member of the Academy of Humanism.
The magazine, Skeptic Vol. 6, No. 2 (1998) features a 1969 interview with Karl Popper - "Karl Popper On God: The Lost Interview" by Edward Zerin. In this interview Popper discusses his agnosticism, his attitudes towards both Judaism and Christianity, the reasons for his disbelief which he combined with a respect for the moral teachings of both religions.
Richard Burton, Welsh actor (1925-1984).
According to the Denver Post, Richard Burton wrote this in his diary in 1969: "The more I read about man and his maniacal ruthlessness and his murderous envious scatological soul, the more I realize that he will never change. Our stupidity is immortal, nothing will change it. The same mistakes, the same prejudices, the same injustice, the same lusts wheel endlessly around the parade ground of the centuries. Immutable and ineluctable. I wish I could believe in a god of some kind but I simply cannot."
Irving Berlin, Russian-born American lyricist and composer (1888-1989).
In her biography of her father, Irving Berlin: A Daughter's Memoir, Mary Ellin Barrett mentions her father's "agnosticism," (p.123) and refers to him as a "nonbeliever," (p.124

George Orwell (1903-1950).
Orwell's biography calls him an atheist. His books also have themes that are explicitly and/or suggestively anti-religious. In Animal Farm, the parody was a raven named Moses who told the animals stories about a great mountain in the sky that they would go to when they died, called Sugar Candy Mountain. In 1984, the concept of Big Brother is a parody of God: You never see him, but the fact of him is drilled into so many people's minds that they become robots, almost. Plus, if you speak bad against Big Brother, it's a Thoughtcrime.

Robert A. Heinlein, American science-fiction author (1907-1988).
Being a fiction author, all Heinlein left us is quotations from characters in his novels. There are lots to choose from, here are a couple from Lazarus Long in Time Enough for Love:
"History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
"Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent."

William M. Gaines, American publisher (1922-1992).
Founder and publisher of Mad magazine. He was quite definitely an atheist, according to Frank Jacobs's biography, The MAD World of William M. Gaines. When emphasizing his sincerity, Gaines would declare, "On my honor as an atheist . . ." Also, when long-time contributor Dave Berg would greet him with "May God give you his blessing," Gaines would politely reply, "Dave, shut the hell up!"
Charles Schultz, American cartoonist (1922-2000).
In an interview in 1999, Schultz said that although his philosophical views evolved over the years, "the term that best describes me now is 'secular humanist.'" He went on to say, "I despise those shallow religious comics. Dennis the Menace, for instance, is the most shallow. When they show him praying--I just can't stand that sort of thing, talking to God about some cutesy thing that he'd done during the day. I don't think Hank Ketcham [Dennis' creator] has any deep knowledge of things like that." Schultz cringed at the mention of Family Circus, the strip by Bill Keane that is strewn with cutesy references to Jesus (who wants to protect children on school buses, but can't because of laws about separation of church and state!) and those sickly-sweet images of invisible deceased grandparents looming protectively over the kids. "Oh, I can't stand that," Schultz laughed. "You could get diabetes reading them, couldn't you?"

Robert A. Heinlen

"History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unkonwn without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."

"Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent."

-Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton.

Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain"

"Faith is believing something you know ain’t true."

"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian."

"It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."

"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows."

"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light … by contrast."

"I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind & keep them shut by force."

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."

"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
"Man is a marvelous curiosity . . . he thinks he is the Creator's pet . . . he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea." [Letters from the Earth]
Mr. Clemens was once asked whether he feared death. He said that he did not, in view of the fact that he had been dead for billions and billions of years before he was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.

- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist (1835-1910).

Marquis de Sade, French libertine (1740-1814).
In his dialogue, Philosophy in the Bedroom, de Sade insults and derides Christianity several times. In his novel 120 Days of Sodom, he is quoted as saying "The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind." Also, the "Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man," which can be found online, is clearly the work of someone with contempt for religion.

Robert G. Ingersoll

"With soap, baptism is a good thing."

"The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it."

"Fear believes—courage doubts. Fear falls up the earth and prays--- courage stands erect and thinks. Fear is barbarism---courage is civilization. Fear believes in witchcraft, devils and ghosts. Fear is religion, courage is science."

"Hands that help are far better then lips that pray."

"Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give."

"For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned by our surroundings.

Environment is a sculptor -- a painter. If we had been born in Constantinople, then most of us would have said: 'There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.' If our parents had lived on the banks of the Ganges, we would have been worshipers of Siva, longing for the heaven of Nirvana. As a rule, children love their parents, believe what they teach, and take great pride in saying that the religion of mother is good enough for them."

"The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know."

"All who doubted or denied would be lost. -- To live a moral and honest life - to keep your contracts, to take care of wife and child – to make a happy home - to be a good citizen - a patriot - a just and thoughtful man – was simply a respectable way of going to hell."

"God did not reward men for being honest, generous and brave, but for the act of faith. Without faith, all the so-called virtues were sins. And the men who practiced these virtues, without faith, deserved to suffer eternal pain. All of these comforting and reasonable things were taught by the ministers in their pulpits -- by teachers in Sunday schools and by parents at home. The children were victims. They were assaulted in the cradle -- in their mother's arms. Then, the schoolmaster carried on the war against their natural sense, and all the books they read were filled with the same impossible truths. The poor children were helpless. The atmosphere they breathed was filled with lies -- lies that mingled with their blood. "

"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?"

- Robert Green Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer (1833-1899).

Robert Frost

"I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there."

"Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll forgive Thy great big one on me."

"I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way."

-Robert Frost, American poet
Susan B. Anthony

"I was born a heretic. I always distrust people who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows."

- Susan B. Anthony, American suffragist (1820-1906).

Vincent Van Gogh

"I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create."

-Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter

Thomas Jefferson (Deist)

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

Madalyn Murray O'Hair, American atheist activist (1923-1995).
O'Hair challenged prayer in the schools in the US Supreme Court (Murray vs. Curlett) and won. She went on to found American Atheists and became perhaps America's most infamous and outspoken atheist. When asked, "Do you support religious freedon," she responded, "Oh, absolutely! I feel that everyone has a right to be insane. And that they can do this any place at all. If they want religious schools, build them! My only problem with that is, do not ask for the land to be tax-free. Do not ask for a government grant to build them. Do not ask for money for teacher's salaries, or more books, or anything else. Just go ahead and do your thing, and do it yourself. Just exactly the same as if you were a nudist. Somebody doesn't get a tax break for being a Mason, or whatever they're interested in. [Interview in Freedom Writer magazine, March 1989]
William Howard Taft

"I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe."

- William Howard Taft, U.S. President
Thomas Edison

"Religion is all bunk."

"I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life – our desire to go on living … our dread of coming to an end."

- Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931).

Thomas Paine (Deist?) – Author of "Common Sense"

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall."

"Revelation is a communication of something which the person to whom the thing id revealed did not know before. For if I have done, a thing, or seen it done, it needs no Revelation to tell me, I have done or seen it done nor enable me to tell it or write it. Revelation therefore cannot be applied to anything done upon earth, of which man is himself actor or witness and consequently all the historical part of the Bible which is almost the whole of it, is not within the meaning and compass of the word Revelation and therefore is not the Word of God."-- Thomas Paine The Age of Reason

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." From - The Age of Reason

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. "

Labeled an atheist, but actually a deist, raised by Quakers, who was extremely critical of organized religion. According to Carl Sagan in The Demon Haunted World, "later generations reviled him for his social and religious views. Theodore Roosevelt called him a 'filthy little atheist.' . . . He is probably the most illustrious American Revolutionary uncommemorated by a monument in Washington, D.C."
The Age of Reason also attacks Christianity as a system of superstition that "produces fanatics" and "serves the purposes of despotism." When the book reached England, several sellers were convicted of blasphemy and jailed.
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law."

- Thomas Paine, English born American author and revolutionary leader (1737-1809).

Sigmund Freud

"Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever. "

"Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis."

"The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life."

Freud certainly regarded belief in God as an illusion that mature men and women should lay aside. The idea of God was not a lie but a device of the unconscious which needed to be decoded by psychology. A personal god was nothing more than an exalted father-figure: desire for such a deity sprang from infantile yearnings for a powerful, protective father, for justice and fairness and for life to go on forever. God is simply a projection of these desires, feared and worshipped by human beings out of an abiding sense of helplessness. Religion belonged to the infancy of the human race; it had been a necessary stage in the transition from childhood to maturity. It had promoted ethical values which were essential to society. Now that humanity had come of age, however, it should be left behind. [A History of God]

-Sigmund Freud, Austrian physician and pioneer psychoanalyst (1856-1939).

Charles Laughton, English-born American actor (1899-1962).
Atheism mentioned in his wife's autobiography, Charles and I (Elsa Lanchester, 1938)
Jonathan Swift

"We have just enough religion to make us hate but not enough religion to make us love one another"
Oscar Wilde -

"When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." [Oscar Wilde – Author]

Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist (1825-1895).
Huxley coined the term "agnostic."
"...inclined to think that not far from the invention of fire must rank the invention of doubt"
"Henceforward, I might hope to hear no more of the assertion that we [Agnostics] are necessarily Materialists, Idealists, Atheists, Theists, or any other ists, if experience had led me to think that the proved falsity of a statement was any guarantee against its reputation. Those who appreciate the nature of our position will see, at once, that when Ecclesiasticism declares that we ought to believe this, that, and the other, and are very wicked if we don't, it is impossible for us to give any answer but this: We have not the slightest objection to believe anything you like, if you will give us good grounds for belief; but, if you cannot, we must respectfully refuse, even if that refusal should wreck morality and insure our own damnation several times over. We are quite content to leave that decision to the future. The course of the past has impressed us with the firm conviction that no good ever comes out of falsehood, and we feel warranted in refusing even to experiment in that direction" [essay "Agnosticism and Christianity"]

"That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism."

-Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist

Ambrose Bierce, American writer (1842-1914?).
Author of The Devil's Dictionary. Here are some entries:
FAITH: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
RELIGION: A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
OCEAN: A body of water occupying about two thirds of a world made for man- who has no gills.
PRAY: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.

SAINT: A dead sinner revised and edited.
In the definition of occident, he claims christians to be "a powerful subtribe of the Hypocrites, whose principal industries are murder and cheating, which they are pleased to call 'war' and 'commerce'".
For more information on Ambrose Bierce, visit the Ambrose Bierce Appreciate Society.
Percy Bysshe Shelley, English poet (1792-1822).
Thrown out of Oxford University for writing the essay, The Necessity of Atheism in 1810.
"If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced."
"It is easier to suppose that the universe has existed for all eternity than to conceive a being beyond its limits capable of creating it."

Other dead Atheists

Anaxagoras, Greek philosopher (500?-428? BCE).
. . . probably the first freethinker we know of to be condemned for his beliefs." "He regarded the conventional gods as mythic abstractions endowed with anthropomorphic attributes. His writings led him to a dungeon, charged with impiety, probably about the year 450 B.C.E." Only the intervention of the great statesman and orator Pericles saved Anaxagoras from a death sentence. He had to pay a fine and, according to some accounts, was banished. He lived his final years in exile.

Diagoras "the Atheist" of Melos, Greek poet, (5th cent. BCE).
Threw a wooden image of a god into a fire, remarking that the deity should perform another miracle and save itself. The uproar this caused in Athens prompted Diagoras to flee for his life. "Athens outlawed him and offered a reward for his capture dead or alive. He lived out his life in Spartan territory."

Democritus, Greek philosopher (460?-357 BCE).
The father of Materialism. Argued that mechanical relationships or arrangements of the atoms account for various characteristics of nature, the intimation here being that the natural order of the world resulted from chance. Even morality, the soul, and all mental life are reducible to mechanistic terms with physical imperceptible atoms as their basic structure. Spiritual reality does not exist; what appears to be spiritual is attributed simply to subperceptible atomic structure or else to mere superstition. Hence, the Democritan philosophy of mechanistic Materialism is complete, self-sufficient, and self-contained. [History of Philosophy] [Visit The Philosophy Garden

Epicurus, Greek philosopher (341-270 BCE).
As a Materialist, Epicurus accepted the idea that the soul consists of atomic material which disintegrates at death, at which time all sensation ceases. Consequently, he said, death need not be a matter of anxious concern, inasmuch as it is merely the state in which all sensation ceases. [History of Philosophy] [Visit The Philosophy Garden]

Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger," Roman stoic philosopher, writer, and politician (4-65).
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."

John of Lackland, English King (1199-1216) (1167?-1216).
John may not have been a bonafide atheist, but he moved farther in that direction than was common in medieval times. From the biography, Eleanor of Aquitaine (John's mother) by Alison Weir, p. 234: "John's bad press in the monastic chronicles may be attributed to his failures as a king *and his cynical contempt for religion*; he quarrelled with the Church during his reign and was excommunicated. 'He led such a dissipated life that he ceased to believe in the resurrection of the dead and other articles of the Christian faith...'(Medieval chroniclers Roger of Wendover and Matthew Paris; quoted in Weir). Once, upon seeing a buck slaughtered, at the end of a hunt, remarked 'You happy beast, never forced to patter prayers nor dragged to Holy Mass.'" (Paris, in Weir).

Christopher Marlowe, English dramatist and poet (1564-1593).
"I count religion but a childish toy and hold there is no sin but innocence." - the character Machiavel, in The Jew of Malta, "Prologue." The lines are often modernized: "I count religion but a childish toy and hold there is no sin but ignorance."

Thomas Woolston, English writer (1669-1731) or? (1670-1733).
Was put under house arrest for the remainder of his life when he voiced doubt about the resurrection and other Bible miracles. [Holy Horrors]
Jean Meslier, French erstwhile priest (1678-1733).
A country priest who led an exemplary life, he died an atheist. He left behind a memoir which was circulated by Voltaire. This expressed his disgust with humanity and his inability to believe in God. Newton's infinite space, Meslier believed, was the only eternal reality: nothing but matter existed. Religion was a device used by the rich to oppress the poor and render them powerless. Christianity was distinguished by its particularly ludicrous doctrines, such as the Trinity and the Incarnation. [A History of God]
Noel Coward, English playwright, author, and performer (1899-1973).
Coward proclaims several times in his diaries (The Noel Coward Diaries, Weidenfeld & Nicholson 1982, ISBN 0 75380 547 2) that he is an atheist, at least during the time he was writing them (1941-1969).

David Hume, Scottish philosopher and historian (1711-1776).
"No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless . . . its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish." [Of Miracles]
"The Christian religion not only was at first attended with miracles, but even at this day cannot be believed by any reasonable person without one."
"When I hear a man is religious, I conclude that he is a rascal, although I have known some instances of very good men being religious."
Sir Charles Spencer "Charlie" Chaplin, British born actor, director, and producer (1889-1977).
"By simple common sense I don't believe in God, in none."
Quoted in Manual of a Perfect Atheist.

Albert Camus, French author, Existential Philosopher (1913-60).
Preached a heroic atheism. People should reject God defiantly in order to pour out all their loving solicitude upon mankind. [A History of God]

Jean Paul Sartre, French Existential philosopher and author (1905-80).
Sartre insisted that even if God existed [which he did not believe], it was still necessary to reject him, since the idea of God negates our freedom. Traditional religion tells us that we must conform to God's idea of humanity to become fully human. Instead, we must see human beings as liberty incarnate. [A History of God]
Burrhus Frederick "B. F." Skinner, American Psychologist (1904-1990).
In an interview with CBS radio a few weeks before his death, Skinner was asked if he feared death. He replied, "I don't believe in God, so I'm not afraid of dying."

H. P. Lovecraft, American author (1890-1937).
"H. P. Lovecraft was strongly influenced, not only by his mother but also by the books he read. . . . At five, he . . . (read) . . . a junior edition of The Arabian Nights. He at once fell in love with the glories of medieval Islam and spent hours playing Arab. . . . One effect of dabbling in non-Christian traditions was to make Lovecraft skeptical of the faith of his fathers. Before he reached his fifth birthday anniversary, young Lovecraft announced that he no longer believed in Santa Claus. Further private thought convinced him that arguments for the existence of God suffered the same weaknesses as those for Santa. At five, Lovecraft was placed in the infant class of the Sunday school of the venerable First Baptist Meeting House on College Hill. The results were not what the elders expected. When the feeding of Christian martyrs to the lions came up, Lovecraft shocked the class by gleefully taking the side of the lions. " From a biography by Sprague De Camp

". . . His skeptical view of the supernatural - his nontheism - and his love of the Classical world were not the only lasting passions formed in his childhood.

". . . he embraced eighteenth-century rationalism, which confirmed him in his atheistic materialism."

Ludwig Andreas von Feuerbach, German philosopher (1804-1872).
Feuerbach was a prominent materialist philosopher of the nineteenth century. His book, The Essence of Christianity, quickly became a classic of freethought literature. In that book he argued that religion is the projection of human wishes and is a form of alienation. He began his philosophical career as a Hegelian idealist but soon moved in the direction of materialism thus encouraging the Young Hegelians with whom he was associated to similiarly move. The Essence of Christianity electrified the Young Hegelians, particularly influencing the youthful Karl Marx who adopted and extended its theory of alienation.

Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788-1860).
There was, Schopenhauer believed, no Absolute, no Reason, no God, no Spirit at work in the world: nothing but brute instinctive will to live. [A History of God]

Sir Leslie Stephen, English writer and thinker (1832-1904).
Sir Leslie Stephen was one of Britain's most famous agnostics of the nineteenth century. In fact while Thomas Huxley was the person who coined the term agnostic it was Stephen who popularized it.

Leslie Stephen was born into a family of prominent Evangelicals of the Clapham Sect. He was educated at Eton and at Trinity Hall, Cambridge. At Cambridge he was made a fellow which in those days required taking holy orders and he was ordained an Anglican priest. By 1862 his developing religious doubts led him to resign his fellowship and by 1864 he left Cambridge for good.

He married Thackeray's daughter, Harriet Marian in 1867 but she died in 1875 leaving him one child. He later married Julia Jackson Duckworth and had four children including his best known child the novelist Virginia Woolf.

After abandoning his academic career he made his living as a journalist and writer. He edited the Dictionary of National Biography. He also wrote extensively on history, religion, and philosophy.

Leslie Stephen's agnosticism was rooted in considerations of the problem of evil. Attempts to resolve this problem by emphasizing the transcendence and incomprehensibility of God was to him simply evasiveness. Such apologetics was in his view simply a disguised skepticism.

The rejection of belief in God for Stephen raised the question of how to ground morality if there is no deity. That is he sought to answer the Dostoyevskian question "If there is no God is not everything permitted?" Stephen sought to answer this question in his book The Science of Ethics. There he proposed a scientific ethics in which J.S. Mill's utilitarianism would be synthesized with evolutionary theory.

In addition to The Science of Ethics, Stephen wrote many other works including Essays on Freethinking and Plainspeaking (1873), An Agnostic's Apology and Other Essays (1893), as well as History of English Thought in the Eighteenth Century (1876), and The English Utilitarians (1900). [James Farmelant]

William Howard Taft, American President and Chief Justice (1857-1930).
Probably not an atheist, but I thought it was interesting that an American president in this century said: "I do not believe in the divinity of Christ and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe."
Rudolf Carnap, German-American philosopher (1891-1970).
A central figure of the Vienna Circle which was devoted to the philosophy of logical positivism. In his Intellectual Autobiography printed in The Philosophy of Rudolf Carnap ed. by Paul Schilpp (La Salle, Illinois: Open Court, 1963) he described the basic worldview he shared with the rest of the Circle. The first is the view that man has no supernatural protectors or enemies . Second, we had the conviction that mankind is able to change the conditions of life in such a way that many of the sufferings of today may be avoided . The third is the view that all deliberate action presupposes knowledge of the world , that the scientific method is the best method of acquiring knowledge and that therefore science must be regarded as one of the most valuable instruments for the improvement of human life. In Vienna we had no names for these views; if we look for a brief designation in American terminology for the combination of these three convictions, the best would seem to be 'scientific humanism.'"

Joseph McCabe, English anti-religion campaigner (1867-1955).
One of the giants of not only English Atheism, but world Atheism, Joseph McCabe left a legacy of aggressive Atheist and antireligious literature that remains fresh and insightful today. His many works -- he wrote nearly 250 books -- could constitute a library of Atheism by themselves.

Born in 1867, Joseph McCabe became a Franciscan monk at the age of nineteen. But disgusted with his fellow monks and the Christian doctrine, he left the priesthood for good on February 19, 1896.

Not long afterwards, he began to write -- first against the priesthood itself and then for the position of Atheism. He was one of the founding members of Britain's Rationalist Press Association, and was a prolific writer for Haldeman-Julius Publications. He was also a much-respected speaker, giving, by his own estimate, three or four thousand lectures in the United States, Australia, and Great Britain by the age of eighty. Still fighting against the injustices and dishonesties of religion, he died on January 10, 1955, at the age of eighty-seven. The epitaph he requested was "He was a rebel to his last day." [The Secular Web]

Anton Szandor LaVey, American (1930-1997?).
Here is some information about LaVey, provided by Aaron Jacques:
LaVey Was most definitely an anti-christian, and despite his recommendation of "using" various gods, I am quite certain he was atheist. He formed the Church of Satan, not only to frighten the status quo, but more as an alternative to secularism. He wrote that it was necessary for man to have a fantasy element in his life. LaVey's satanism provides this in the form of rich ceremonies. The idea behind which is not that one is praying to an actual being, but is unleashing mental/emotional/physical energies which have the power to alter the state of one's existence. Most satanists don't believe in satan or any other deity in a physical sense but more as a force of nature. In the introduction to The Satanic Bible, Burton H. Wolfe recalls a story told to him by LaVey about his youth, when he worked in a traveling carnival:

"On Saturday night, I would see men lusting after half-naked girls dancing at the carnival, and on Sunday morning when I was playing organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot, I would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children, asking God to forgive them and purge them of carnal desires. And the next Saturday they'd be back at the carnival or some other place of indulgence. I knew then that the Christianchurch thrives on hypocrisy, and that man's carnal nature will out no matter how much it is purged or scoured by any white-light religion"

However, some claim that The Church of Satan is nothing more than a scam cooked up by an "old carnie" to take people's money (there is a $100 membership fee). The Church of Satan web site.

Other Famous Atheists or Agnostics :

Woody Allen – Actor
Dr. Melvin Konner
Michael Kinsley
William B. Davis

Gillian Anderson
Madison Arnold
Paul Kurtz
Milan Kundera

Russell Baker
Iain M. Banks
Alexander I. Lebed
Richard Leakey – Anthropoligist

Greg Bear – Science Fiction Author
Steve Benson
Stanislaw Lem
Mike Leigh

Jim Bohanan
Sir Herman Bondi
Tom Leykis
Michael Martin

Dr. Nathaniel Branden
Marlon Brando – Actor
Jonathan Meades
Antonio Mendoza

John Byrne
Dean Cameron
Marvin Minsky – Scientist
Hans Moravec

Fidel Castro
Dick Cavett – TV Actor
Dr. Taslima Nasreen
Ted Nelson

Noam Chomsky - Scientist
Paul and Patricia Churchland
Kai Nielsen
Camille Paglia

Alexander Cockburn
John Conway
Jean Luc Godard
Julia Phillips

Michael Crichton – Author
Dr. Francis Crick
Paul Pfalzner
Paula Poundstone – Comedian

Crowded House – Rock Group
Ron Dakron
Katha Pollitt
Jean-Pierre Rampal

Daniel Dennett – Author
Amanda Donohoe
Paul Provenza
Brian Ritchie

Greg Egan
Barbara Ehrenreich
Rick Reynolds
Al Goldstein

Garth Ennis
Brian Eno – Musician
Richard Rorty
John Sayles

Nuno Filipe
Filter
Pamela Sargent
George H. Smith

James Forman
Jodie Foster – Actress
J.J.C. Smart
Mira Sorvino – Actress

Ed Fredkin
Janeane Garofalo – Comedian
Lee Smolin
J. Michael Straczynski

Simone de Beauvoir, French author, feminist, and philosopher (1908-1986).
Linus Carl Pauling, American chemist (1901-1994).
Mao Tse-tung, Chinese Communist leader and theorist (1893-1976).
Francois Mitterrand, French Politician (1916-1996). Publicly called himself an atheist on several occasions.

Spalding Gray
Joe Haldeman
Gore Vidal – Author

James A. Haught
Bill Hayden
Annika Walter
Sir Alfred Hitchcock – Author

Christopher Hitchens
Nicholas Humphrey
Dr. Ian Wilmut
William Shatner – Actor

Neil Kinnock
W. P. Kinsella
John Mortimer
Mr. Lavanam

Paul Krassner
Stanley Kubrick – Director
Nick Zedd
Ring Lardner Jr.

Ursula K. LeGuin
Tom Lehrer – Comedian
Salman Rushdie – Author of "The Statnic Verses"
Leonard Peikoff

Gerda Lerner
Michael Lewis
Stephen Jay Gould
Mark Pauline

Todd McFarlane – Author
Sir Ian McKellen
Edward O. Wilson
Adam Corolla

Randy Newman – Musician
Jack Nicholson – Actor
Frank Mullen
Douglas Coupland

Arthur Miller – Author
Mike Mills
Robin Lane Fox
Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam)

Gary Numan – Musician
Ronald Numbers
Zarkov
Vladimir Pozner

Ferdinand Piech
Roman Polanski – Author
Lionel Jospin
James Randi

Chris Robinson
Terry Pratchett
Harvey Fierstein
David Feherty

Mona Sahlin
Ron Reagan Jr.
Larry Flynt – Publisher
Antony Flew

Jyoti Shankar
Neil Rogers
Nat Hentoff
Pierre Boulez

Michael Smith
Sebastião Salgado
Billy Bragg
Mikhail Gorbachev

Benjamin Spock
Robert I. Sherman
Greg Graffin
Wendy Kaminer

Burt Lancaster, American actor (1913-1994).
Robert Smith
Bill Gates – Founder – Microsoft
Derek Humphry

Ingmar Bergman
Rodney Stark
Stephen Chapman
Richard Dawkins

Warren Buffett - Businessman
Katharine Hepburn – Actress
Florence King
Dr. Dean Edell

Douglas Adams – Author
Pierre Berton
Penn Jillette
Paul Edwards

Harlan Ellison - Scinece Fiction Author
Susie Bright
Howard Hughes, American manufacturer, film producer, and recluse (1905-1976).
Jack Germond

Dave Matthews – Musician
Arthur C. Clarke – Science Fiction Author
Quentin Crisp
Harry Harrison

Christopher Reeve – Actor
Albert Ellis
Clive Barker
Teller – Comedian

Michael Crichton – Author
Vic Chesnutt
Billy Joel –

Jack of No Trades @ May 24th 2007 1:25PM

mega

Who created GOD? And who create the God that created our god?

Digi Smalls @ May 24th 2007 1:25PM

Matt B, whatabout things you can't see?

ever play a racing game from inside the car (well, if all you have is a PS3 then you haven't yet. i dunno, maybe hood view?) and feel yourself satisfyingly rub up on the curb beneath you as you hit the apex? or picking a lock all through touch?

when Sony finally adds rumble, its motion control will finally matter. its the combination of both technologies that has made the Wii the success it is. all those non-gaming people wanted a Wii the instant they FELT that tennis ball on Wii Sports for the first time.

you can't involve the body (motion) without feedback, its just unnatural. thats why all the previous motion control devices w/o feedback have been failures. including the current Sixaxis.

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