Reasons to own a PSP, and there's 60 of 'em

I guess they could only post 5 now cause they needed time to dream up the rest?

One of the few titles I was interested in the PSP for, Lumines, was ported to the PS2 recently. I can't think of a single title I want to play that's exclusively on it.

only 1 reason needed to own a PSP.

It's X'mas!

If theres 60 reasons to own a PSP, then there are like 200 reasons to own a DS Lite. Much better games, more beautiful desing, better battery life, no load times, no memory cards. Its everything that I expect from a portable system. The PSP is a home console trying to be a portable system.

I bet you that at least 50 of those reasons are better on PS2. :p

Don't feed fernando :p. He had his portion of flames 2 days ago, if I recall properly (not sure though, feel free to correct me)

I am a DS fanboy through and through (DS Phat, DS Navy and DS Black in my collection), but I have to agree with Joystiq. The PSP is hardly a failure. Sure, pitted against the DS it could be viewed as one, but on its own the PSP is pretty strong. Bring on the remake Sony!

Thing is theres 1 reason stopping me from getting one.

Price.

And since there are less games interesting me on the PSP than the DS the price would therefore have to be lower for me to consider one. Soon as the price is down in half I'll pick one up and not a moment sooner.

Ps. Sony pay you for this?

Some one should do a 60 reasons not to own a PSP list.
I bet they would make sense too.

1.Price, its more than a PS2
2.Its games are remade on the PS2 [DS and Wii have this problem now too]
3.The graphics aren't as good as the PS2s
4.Battery life not as long
5.It needs another stiq on the right to compliment the one on the left

someone else can do the rest.

@3cubedminus3squared

6. Ugly design
7. Dead pixels
8. Load times
9. Unprotected screen
10. Screen not as bright as the DS Lite (its hard to play the PSP outside, or in the car when theres a lot of light)

What I love about Sony these days is their products are selling like garbage. Which for me is awesome, because that makes them super cheap on ebay. I bought a PSP used on ebay about 2 years ago for $112, and that included shipping. Totally worth the money.

The best games for the PSP are ones that would have sold well if they had been on the DS. Mega Man Powered Up, Loco Roco, Me and My Katamari, and Ultimate Ghosts N Goblins. All much better suited to the DS audince, who from day one have embraced the quirky and the old school.

And Portable Ops isn't too bad. It's easily the worst MGS game, but it's fun for about 15 hours.

This year, we'll get Castlevania Rondo of Blood and Final Fantasy Crisis Core, and next year that Final Fantasy fighting game. Not bad for exclusives. At least it's better than the PS3, which pretty much just has Final Fantasy XIII, and maybe MGS4.

I would have never paid $200 for a PSP, but for under $125, the it's a good deal.

1. Emulators
2. Watching your own encoded TV shows and Movies


That is all I used mine for. Oh, and that nifty app that would let you use it as a remote control on a Sony Wega TV.

Oh look, a PSP thread...
Oh look, the typical morons who hate the PSP for some pretty fucking moronic reasons chiming in again...
Oh look, it's 6pm already? Damn texturing....

One reason to own a PSP

Monster Munter muthafu#$kin', Freedom


Anything after that is gravy.
Why all the hate on the PSP? I actually enjoy both portables for what they offer. Where's Sheppy? He's good at these kinds of posts.


I have to disagree with you Tron. The best games the PSP have to offer would not be better suited to DS. Wipeout would be unplayable, Monster Hunter would look like shit on DS and not be able to push the polygons that are needed for the multiplayer aspect. Lumines could have worked on DS but Mizuguchi hates it. That's why this idiot never gave us a true Meteos sequel with infrastructure while PSP at least got a Lumines. Meteos is a waste of a beautiful game because a developer wants to play fanboy.

The point is games made for each portable shine when a developer gives a damn. Look at Ninja Gaiden on DS. Now that's a kick ass looking game. But then I can look at Monster hunter Freedom 2nd and it's gorgeous.

Best to have both

heeeey Sheppy, hows it goin' didn't see you come in.


Lumines2* sorry about the typos guys. just got finished a six hour VF5 marathon.

@Fernando Rocker

What do you say I make a list to not own your crappy DS (and yes, I own one, and If it wasnt because of Elite Beat Angels, I would be REALLY ashamed of doing so)

1: AWFUL, I mean AWFUL design, I can't even hold it with both hands unless I want to end up with a claw like hand by the end of my playing session.

2: The games are pick up and play, that is good, but not when im on school and any other place I want something that lasts more than just a few seconds. Only game that I loved is the Elite Beat Angels as I said earlier, but that is because its teh ONLY challenging game, challenging enough to keep me playing it. And all the other ones that are fun are remakes, like Castlevania, pokemon, megaman, mario? and you complain about remakes?

3: Games might be pick and play, but they are NOT LONG enough, sorry, but the UMD gives me more

4: The screen of the DS might be protected once closed, but its still fragile, when it should be MUCH stronger since its a TOUCHABLE screen, and also take in mind that the DS's main crowd is children.

5: Price? oh, the DS still expensier than the gamecube, so yah, loser

6: Graphics are not as good, not even clsoe to the ones of the gamecube, heck, not even close to the ones on the N64

7: It doesnt display how much battery life it has, its something that I love on the psp, I just have to wait til I find out by the stupid red light

8: The DS NEEDS a stiq, I mean, playing MP: Hunters was just horrible on the DS, most overhyped game ever

9: The games are so small that my lil brother even lost 3 games already (hey, you guys are pointing out dumb stuff about the PSP, so I msut as well do the same with the DS)

10: there is no possibility of ever having an MMO, sorry, but the idea of a mobile MMO is jsut amazing, I mean, logging in just to check some shops, or to see what is goign on, its jsut amazing, and the DS doesnt have the hardware for that.

I can keep goign on, but since you pointed out 10 points, I also took it nicely and pointed out only 10 points :]

"6. Ugly design"

Come now, that's just petty. I bet if Nintendo never redesigned the DS you wouldn't even mention design.

I have both a PSP and a DS, and quite frankly I'm disappointed with both currently. I actually had a great time with my DS... once, but I don't think I've bought a single new DS game in like four months (excluding the new Pokemon, but that was harldy worth my time). That's one of the reasons why I got a PSP, because the DS was becoming tiresome (that and I bought it new on the last Day After Thanksgiving Sale for $150). But it didn't take long for the PSP to wear thin as well. Since I have no desire to play PS2 games less comfortably on a handheld, I haven't gotten too many games for it.

The Wii too has been a big disappointment, I haven't touched my Wii for months (it's tragic, really, it's beginning to feel lonely). The only system I've played consistently is 360. What with Xbox Live, XBLA, and a few games here and there actually worth playing, the 360 seems to be the only gaming platform with any staying power to me.

What a sad day in gaming history, where MICROSOFT is the only gaming company holding my unfortunately short attention span. Shame on you Sony. Shame on you Nintendo, for forcing me to throw more money at the Microsoft monster.

*End rant*

Right now, the PSP is the only platrorm (console or handheld) that I do not own in the current generation of gaming goodness. But more and more, I'm interested in picking one up. I think the connectivity and interoperability with the PS3 is going to make huge strides ahead this year, and should only help to puch both out further into the mass markets.

Tavin.

nice try Noshino.

1) PSP needs a 2nd joystick
2) Ever played Final Fantasy?
3) Ever played Final Fantasy?
4) My DS has gone thru the wash and still works. PSP? No thanks.
5)Ehh. Tie.
6)Obviously graphics isnt everything. *looks at PSP sales and PS3 sales*
7) You need a battery light indicator for your PSP cuz it will always run out of battery. DS on the other hand? Doesn't go red all the time.
8)Thats part of the program.
9)Thats your brothers incompetence thats the problem, not the DS. They do make cases you know.
10) Who said theres no possibility for an MMO? Heck even if they DID develop an MMO for the PSP. There would be no one to play it with.

Noshino, you're one of the few who actually need the portable home console that is the PSP. Long games on a handheld isn't what it was designed for. Anyhow, many DS games are really long. NSMB lasted me a week of solid playing, Mario Kart DS is long. Advance Wars DS is huge, Animal Crossing is infinitely long, etc etc etc.

Granted those games don't REQUIRE one huge session to play, but overall most DS games still take a long time to complete. In fact, longer than many console single-player experiences I've had.

However, what most DS games do have is that portable must-have: pick-up-and-play ability. This is one reason why the DS is selling way better. PSP ports games designed for a home console, DS has exclusive games designed for a handheld.

A life is not lived until you make enemies upon both sides... also, what up, Strider? Anywho....

"1.Price, its more than a PS2"
It has a slightly more expensive drive, expansion ports, built in wireless adapter, built in LCD which, quite frankly, is without rival in it's price range. and an internal battery. PS2 has... well, non of that shit. Good job, let me clap!

"2.Its games are remade on the PS2 [DS and Wii have this problem now too]"
O RLY? So I can go out, right now, and pick up Field Commander, Wipeout Pure, MGS:PO, DJ Max Portable 1&2, Bleach: Heat the Soul 4, Legend of Heroes, Jeanne D'Arc, Megaman Maverick Hunter X, among many others on PS2? Wait... no I can't.

"3.The graphics aren't as good as the PS2s"
Well no shit. Especially considering that for most software, the PSP is locked at the lower CPU speed to conserve battery power. Not to mention, no developers are really putting their best foot forward on this machine. Not to mention, the more graphic intensive a game is, the more loading it needs to do. Optimization is your friend.

"4.Battery life not as long"
Hmmm.... ironic considering the DS Lite, at it's highest brightness setting gets 5-8 hours of battery life and DJ Max Portable 2 lasts 7-8 hours on a single charge. However, there is a silver lining. If you want to turn OFF the advantage the DS Lite has, you can extend your battery life significantly.

"5.It needs another stiq on the right to compliment the one on the left"
Only game I ever played on PSP where I would agree is Coded Arms. And then I just took it as "remember when I played the shit out of Turok 2?" and all the problems went away.

"6. Ugly design"
And yet tech critic after tech critic said it's a damn sexy design for a console. In fact, comparing the DS Phat to a PSP and it's not wonder Nintendo felt pressure to do the Lite. Or do you think they merely pushed out a redesign because they wuuuuuuuv you?

"7. Dead pixels"
Ironically enough, both DS Phat and DS Lite had rampant Dead Pixels issues at launch. Just not as mentioned in the media because... well, PSP was the "har har" machine as anything from the Square Button (despite this being used as an insult today, only the first 170,000 units were effected) to Flying UMD (how about that... gravity works!).

"8. Load times"
For most games, this isn't an issue anymore. Hell, for one of my longest loading games, DJ Max Portable 2, I'm still into a song quicker than it takes for Pokemon Diamond to go through the Fury Swipes animation.

"9. Unprotected screen"
Bought a PDA screen protector for $8. Never been a problem here.

"10. Screen not as bright as the DS Lite"
Ironically enough, in both situation that you described, I could not play either my PSP or my DS Lite. Direct Sunlight blocks out LCDs. Not exactly new news.

"1: AWFUL, I mean AWFUL design." C'mon, it's gotten better. In exchange for a smaller size we get dinker buttons and uncomfortable shoulder buttons but we got a better touchscreen and a more logical location for the stylus. Also, having to use the analog nub on PSP for a long period of time really cramps my thumb so it's not all roses on PSP either.

"2: The games are pick up and play, that is good, but not when im on school and any other place I want something that lasts more than just a few seconds."
Ironically enough, they use the "better on a console games" as a slam on PSP but turn around and mention those exact style of games in defense of DS. DS has some of the more epic games, you just gotta look.

"3: Games might be pick and play, but they are NOT LONG enough, sorry, but the UMD gives me more"
It's not the storage space that dictates game size. In fact, many PSP games COULD fit on a DS cart given the right compression.

"4: The screen of the DS might be protected once closed, but its still fragile"
I want to know how people are damaging their screens. Seriously, on PSP and DS.

"5: Price? oh, the DS still expensier than the gamecube, so yah, loser"
Actually, in every region both are sold, price is too close to be used as an advantage. The US currently has the largest gap and it's what, $40? And until either company packs in games, that's too close to be considered an advantage.

"6: Graphics are not as good, not even clsoe to the ones of the gamecube, heck, not even close to the ones on the N64"
Gotta correct you here. Technically, you're correct. DS has worse poly counts on screen than the N64. And yes, the 4 MB of ram limits the texture use. However, the higher storage capacity of the carts themselves all DS to avoid the texture repeating of the N64, as well as the AA capacities avoid the muddy textures of the "do I need glasses" N64 variety.

"7: It doesnt display how much battery life it has, its something that I love on the psp, I just have to wait til I find out by the stupid red light"
Technically, it does. It's just in the home menu. Also, an accurate reading of battery life is never represented when the console is doing pretty much nothing.

"8: The DS NEEDS a stiq, I mean, playing MP: Hunters was just horrible on the DS, most overhyped game ever"
I have no doubt in my mind that we'll see nubs on future handhelds.

"9: The games are so small that my lil brother even lost 3 games already."
Be responsible? Seriously, when my games aren't in the console, they're in their cases.

"10: there is no possibility of ever having an MMO,"
Maple Story DS has been in dev for some time now.

@ Noshino

Despite my current disappointment with the DS, the incredible amount of fun I used to have with it compells me to crush your ridiculous arguments into oblivion.

1) Funny you should say that, because I would actually say the same thing, only for the PSP. Due to the enormity of the screen, I have to hold the PSP with my hands shaped like claws clasping onto it horizontally, and since the PSP feels much heavier, that puts unnecessary strains on my fingers. With the DS, however, I can crasp it from the bottom up, meaning there is less consant pressure on my fingers. It is a rather silly point though, because ultimately all you really have to do is rest either handheld on your knee so you don't have to constantly hold the thing up.

2) Advance Wars. Trauma Center. If you haven't played either of them, you have no right to claim that the DS has no challenging games.

3) Since when does length = quality? Ever since Final Fantasy, all RPGs are judged more for the number of hours it takes to beat vs more important things like strategic gameplay and story, and the genre as a whole has suffered for it.

4) This point is just idiotic. The PSP is waaay more fragile of a system than either DS unit. And at least the DS DOES have a clamshell design to protect the screen.

5) "oh, the DS still expensier than the gamecube, so yah, loser" That proves WHAT exactly? The PSP is still "expensier" than the PS2. What does this mean? Why do I care? Where was the clever point you were trying to make?

6) While 3D graphics typically suck balls on the DS, the 2D sprites, which is really what the system was designed for, typically look fantastic. While the PSP's games typically have "technically" superior graphics, I find the DS's games typically have more charming graphics. The only two exceptions I can think of is Lumines and LocoRoco.

7) This is a very minor point at best. I mean really, how often is it really a major hinderance?

8) Where exactly is this "stiq" going to go? For that matter, where is the PSP's "stiq?" It doesn't have one, it has a nub, which is a poor substitute. I admit MP: Hunters was a bit wonky, but would it have been easier to control on the PSP? Yeah, don't think so.

9) Your brother is an idiot then, sorry. And personal stupidity has little to do with a quality product. Besides, the PSP not only has UMDs to lose, it also has memory sticks, which are about the same size as the DS cards. (Also, saying that your points are as dumb as your competition is not a good way to win an argument).

10) Really? Something tells me Maple Story, an MMO, would be fairly easy to pull off on a DS. The problem is, is there really anyone that would play an MMO on a handheld? They're not exactly very successful on consoles. Actually, except for a few largely successful games here and there, they aren't that successful on PC either.

Sorry if that was harsh, but you reaaally need to come up with some better arguments if you're to convince anyone that they shouldn't buy a DS.

... they kind of have some mutually exclusive positives. If you're playing homebrew, you aren't playing the latest games because of the security updates. Oh wait, you can then roll back the version for homebrew, then re-install it whenever you want to play a game. To me, that counts as two negatives cancelling out the positives.

I have a PSP, and recently I've bought more games for it ... but, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Maybe when the redesign comes out.

never thought I'd say this, but heh, Sheppy to the rescue!

That's why I love you sheppy, no love to one system in particular, both have their strong points and their weak points.

I love my DS but I don't hate the PSP, I played my friend's quite extensively and found it to be a solid piece of hardware. I just don't really like the games offered on the PSP and I'm cheap.

@ noshino

hold on there cannon, Do you really think 64 would have been able to handle Metroid Prime Hunters and looks that good with no fog and no bluriness? I doubt it. Do you really think 64 would handle a Zelda like Phantom Hourglass? Not likely. Ninja Gaiden? on 64? Ds is more than capable than the 64. What it lacks in filters for perspective correction it makes up for in draw distance, framerate and clarity.

There was never a sunny day on 64..unless it was World Driver Championship. Otherwise, 64 games were fogged to hell.

Im 100% sure that the next PSP will have touch screen. Period. Alywas doing what Nintendo does.

Kn1ves

Nice try, but you didn't read what I said right? I was just pointed taht out because previous people pointed out the "weak" points of the psp, I pretty much just used those same exact points agaisnt the DS.

If you want to, I ll be more than glad to go against your points,

1: no, the PSP has proven that if the developers take their time they can make it work without a 2nd stiq, actually, it also takes time for developers to make good use of the touchable screen, not like the usual dumb stuff, heck and to think that is the main upgrade from teh GBA to the DS.

2&3: Yes, I have played FF, and if you are into the game, then you shouldnt leave in the middle of teh battle, you are supposed to finish them, and no, FF isn't that long to be considered a LONG game.

4: I remember this dad that went back to Costco because her daughter had poked teh screen too much and you could see on then screen that altho it didn't make a hole thourgh it, it did break on the inside, I heard someone in my area also have the same problem, I guess kids are just "too strong" nowadays, btw, my psp has fallen more times than my first DS and it still works perfectly fine and guess what, it is a handheld that you should take more care of due to its much more advance features.

6: Graphics aren't everything? oh dude, you are so wrong, are you blind? I mean, only if you are blind, only then graphics wouldnt matter, or you are telling me you would still play mario if it was just sticks?

7: sorry, but my DS does run out of battery a lot (damn you EBA)

8: I don't know what you meant by that, so I wont say anything about it :P

9: oh yah, dude, he has kept all of his PSP games intact, because they have a much more protective case, and also, like I said before, they main crowd is the vhildren, I guess you think all children go around with cases, and even with cases, since when litle kids keep everything in order?

10: You do believe that it is possible for the DS to handle MMO's? oh, and the PSP has a hell lot of people, hey btw, there are many apps out there that you acn use, and since most if not all games use ad-hoc, then you can use this

http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/03/21/xlink-kai-turns-ad-hoc-into-infrastructure/

"Im 100% sure that the next PSP will have touch screen. Period. Alywas doing what Nintendo does."

And this is why I love you. Because the Game.com and PDA games never existed before Nintendo DS.

Strider, good points, but I totally don't like those games you mentioned. I recognize they are good games, but I just don't like them.

No hard feelings?

If you want the rest of the list now you can just head over here http://psp-news.dcemu.co.uk/60-reason-to-own-psp-65671.html.

Some of the reasons are pretty lame, but I guess they wanted to get it to a nicer number.

Strider, good points, but I totally don't like those games you mentioned. I recognize they are good games, but I just don't like them.

No hard feelings?

Strider, good points, but I totally don't like those games you mentioned. I recognize they are good games, but I just don't like them.

No hard feelings?

@ anyone who thinks there isn't a game that's challenging or long on the DS.

One word: Etrian Odyssey.

It's probably the best RPG I've played in YEARS, and I'm at about 50+ hours on it... and only 60% done with the game.

Seriously, for any RPG fanatic, see if you can pick it up. The game is awesome. Pure classic RPG goodness in one $29 package.

@ sheppy

Yeah, but come on. It's not like the DS has tacked on touch screen controls. It uses it very well in most games.

DS -> Handheld video game console.

PDAs -> Used for businesses and for calendars. Games used to pass short amounts of time... most games are on your computer as well (like minesweeper and solitaire)

Don't act like you're anti-troll :) You know as well as I do that Sony will add touch screen on their next portable machine. And the DS didn't rip off the PDAs.

Hell PDA games weren't even that popular.

I can't stress this enough...it's best to have both. The PSP and the DS together make a good argument for the portables being the main entry into gaming instead of the consoles. Think about it for a second. The PORTABLES are offering built-in Wifi (which 360 doesn't offer) impressive 3D engines, downloadable content, leaderboards, voice chat, friends lists, text chat, WLAN support...nearly everything the consoles are offering on the go.

Some will hate on Metroid Prime Hunters but the multiplayer in that game is some of the best in the last few years mainly for the controls. The touch screen gives accuracy that can't be matched on any console. MPH online support is so robust it's frightning. Look at Syphon Filter on PSP. One of the greatest Espionage games ever made. The online for that game is so good, it rivals PS2 and Live offerings. I shit you not. PSP has the potential to offer everything Live offers right now. It already supports... let's say it again...

Voice chat

leaderboards

downloadable content

text chat

up to 32 player infrastructure support

WLAN (ad hoc)

movie support

music support/ custom soundtracks (when Wipeout Pulse debuts)

Sony has got to be the dumbest developer on the planet to not market the hell out of these features and incorporate them into their designs as standard.

Look, the consoles are great and all and when SSBB and Metroid Prime 3 drop, I'm all over it. Heavenly Sword and All Pro 2k8 on PS3...I'm there. But the portables both DS and PSP are milestones. They both offer gaming on the go that rivals and in some cases surpass what you're getting on the consoles.

@Ken

"Yeah, but come on. It's not like the DS has tacked on touch screen controls. It uses it very well in most games."

Please don't act like that shit happened day 1. You had two basic uses for the touch screen initially. Menu selection and a different way of controlling the game. It took a while for developers, even Nintendo, to figure out what they had created. And even then, in way too many games, touch screen controls are added as an afterthought. Mario Kart, NSBM, and even Castlevania DOS. Let's not forget how unweildly touch screen is for FFIII. AND pokemon. Hell, games BUILT around the touch screen are actually pretty rare or shallow as all hell.

"DS -> Handheld video game console.

PDAs -> Used for businesses and for calendars. Games used to pass short amounts of time... most games are on your computer as well (like minesweeper and solitaire)"
Well what about Game.com? That was a game console. Besides, the function of a device doesn't negate the existance of games on it. Let's not forget one of iTVs more popular uses is as an emu machine.

"Don't act like you're anti-troll :) You know as well as I do that Sony will add touch screen on their next portable machine. And the DS didn't rip off the PDAs."

Actually, I hope they don't. Seriously. Nobody knows what's in the future for PSP and the whole touch screen rumor stems from "Sony is R copy!"

Also, I should take this time to remind you that Quake for PDAs has the exact same control scheme as Metroid Prime Hunters, including the radar and weapon selection method. Also, a few golf games used the same control method as swing away golf, which of course is nothing but a ripoff of Golden Tee regardless. PDA versions of Yoda Stories and Indiana Jones featured touch screen control. Didn't work worth a shit but doesn't work worth a shit on DS either (see Lost Magic). I could go on but why? I've proven that many of the concepts on DS in regards to control were tried before.

"Hell PDA games weren't even that popular."
So... um, popularity equals invention? Suddenly Master P is no longer a thieving bastard. Just because it has the Nintendo logo on it doesn't mean it hasn't been done before. People tend to forget this.

sheppy and Bread Lee, sorry but I was jsut trying to counter the points made by Fernando Rocker and the other dude.

Once again, you 2 made good points, I ll just go against the ones that I think are mistaken from my point of view

sheppy,

"2: The games are pick up and play, that is good, but not when im on school and any other place I want something that lasts more than just a few seconds."
Ironically enough, they use the "better on a console games" as a slam on PSP but turn around and mention those exact style of games in defense of DS. DS has some of the more epic games, you just gotta look.

Sorry, I have eben looking, but all I got was EBA and New Super Mario Bros, I borrowed many others and they weren't great, sorry.

"3: Games might be pick and play, but they are NOT LONG enough, sorry, but the UMD gives me more"
It's not the storage space that dictates game size. In fact, many PSP games COULD fit on a DS cart given the right compression.

I don't think they would be able to fit SOCOM on a DS cart, or what about MG:PO?, I don't like GTA, but do you think they could have fit it on a single DS cart?

"5: Price? oh, the DS still expensier than the gamecube, so yah, loser"
Actually, in every region both are sold, price is too close to be used as an advantage. The US currently has the largest gap and it's what, $40? And until either company packs in games, that's too close to be considered an advantage.

I made such comparison because they pointed out that the ps2, a home console, was still expensier than the psp, but then again, the DS which is much cheaper and yet offers less than the PSP is still expensier than the gamecube which is also a home console.

"9: The games are so small that my lil brother even lost 3 games already."
Be responsible? Seriously, when my games aren't in the console, they're in their cases.

kids that are 7 years old are not responsible enough, or you are telling me that they do what they are told to do the first time?

"10: there is no possibility of ever having an MMO,"
Maple Story DS has been in dev for some time now.

Maple Story, altho I know many love it, I think it still quite lame, and it isnt as deep as many other MMO's out there, as for the PSP not only developers have said that the PSP can handle MMOs, but also the homebrew community have been known to be working on MMOs, so yah.

now you Brad Lee,

1: I explained well already, and so did sheppy, the PSP's design is much more confortable than the DS's (why the hell make it like a rectangle)

2) Advance Wars. Trauma Center. If you haven't played either of them, you have no right to claim that the DS has no challenging games.

The first GBA Fire Emblen was MUCH more challenging than ANY DS game out there (to date Im still stuck around the 30s ep on Hector Hard Mode)

3) Since when does length = quality? Ever since Final Fantasy, all RPGs are judged more for the number of hours it takes to beat vs more important things like strategic gameplay and story, and the genre as a whole has suffered for it.

Once again, Fire Emblem, it has lasted more than any other of my DS games

4) This point is just idiotic. The PSP is waaay more fragile of a system than either DS unit. And at least the DS DOES have a clamshell design to protect the screen.

protected WHEN closed, not when opened.

5) "oh, the DS still expensier than the gamecube, so yah, loser" That proves WHAT exactly? The PSP is still "expensier" than the PS2. What does this mean? Why do I care? Where was the clever point you were trying to make?

Like I said ebfore, I pointed it out to counter the previous comment in regards of the PSP and teh PS2

6) While 3D graphics typically suck balls on the DS, the 2D sprites, which is really what the system was designed for, typically look fantastic. While the PSP's games typically have "technically" superior graphics, I find the DS's games typically have more charming graphics. The only two exceptions I can think of is Lumines and LocoRoco.

Because LocoRoco is just one of the few 2D games ont he PSP, so what is your point? I was pointing out the 3D graphics, sorry.

8) Where exactly is this "stiq" going to go? For that matter, where is the PSP's "stiq?" It doesn't have one, it has a nub, which is a poor substitute. I admit MP: Hunters was a bit wonky, but would it have been easier to control on the PSP? Yeah, don't think so.

Sorry, but yes, it would have been far easier to control with a "stiq", not only that but the "double tap = jump" was horrible.

9) Your brother is an idiot then, sorry. And personal stupidity has little to do with a quality product. Besides, the PSP not only has UMDs to lose, it also has memory sticks, which are about the same size as the DS cards. (Also, saying that your points are as dumb as your competition is not a good way to win an argument).

Sorry, but with a 2 GB memory card, he has never had to even touch the memorystick. Oh, and he isnt an idiot, as a matter of fact he still on the Gifted program and brings home Honor ROlls every semester ^-^

10) Really? Something tells me Maple Story, an MMO, would be fairly easy to pull off on a DS. The problem is, is there really anyone that would play an MMO on a handheld? They're not exactly very successful on consoles. Actually, except for a few largely successful games here and there, they aren't that successful on PC either.

It would be quite succesful, like I said, I know many people in other MMos that just log for a sec jsut to check how everything is going, so a handheld would be the perfect medium for that, as an example, Ragnarok Online Mobile, once you suscribe to that, all the money that you collect is transfered to your Acc, and once you get onto the game from your pc, you get all the money gathered.

I sold my PSP and got a DS. I only miss the PSP for watching videos on it, but I am interested in the redesign. If it's price is affordable. There's some good games on the PSP, just not many.

I have had every handheld you can think of and finally settled on the PSP. I got one for $130 like new, and I downgraded it for free. For homebrew and emulation it is the BEST handheld yet. DS doesnt even have the screen resolution to play NES games! this is a fact! Even NES games have to be scaled down.. which sucks. PSP has full speed SNES,GBA, Genesis, NES, PSX and many other emulators that the DS simply can't touch. However, DS does have some really kick as commercial games: Trama Center, Castlevania series, Dusk Hotel. They are both good at what they do but its "apples and oranges" Can people please stop debating this ad nauseum?!

I forgot to add that Ragnarok Online Mobile is for mobiles, duh :P

Flames and insults are all well and good. But if you can't spell, don't talk, because it's impossible to take someone's opinion seriously if they can't.

@Noshino

"Sorry, I have eben looking, but all I got was EBA and New Super Mario Bros, I borrowed many others and they weren't great, sorry."

Well, off the top of my head, these are my favs on Nintendo DS.

Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2 (just imagine Lemmings with Mario)
Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
Advance Wars DS
both Castlevanias
Megaman ZX
Metroid Pinball
Trauma Center

Imports
Ouendon 1&2 (more EBA style gameplay)
Jump Superstars and Ultimate Jump Superstars (imagine Super Smash Brothers with famous manga characters... why yes, you can settle the grudge match between DBZ and Naruto characters)

Incidentally, I've never owned a PSP, but I'm sure it's cool. Maybe.

Actually, no one had done the touch screen in the handheld video game system market before. PDA's are not handheld video game systems. Nor do PDA's utilize dual screens.

Sony rips off Nintendo which is a competitor in the same market: Video Games and video game systems.

Also, Sheppy, you are a tool. You always claim to have all the machines and to be a fan of them all but you only seem to chime in in defense of Sony. You're a fanboy, through and through. Having all the game systems doesn't change a thing. I have a PS2 and I fucking hate Sony and am a huge Nintendo fanboy.

WAAAAH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAH MY SYSTEM'S BETTER, WHINE WHINE MOAN CRY!

I'm quite enjoying having super robot wars mx, final fantasy 7,8,9 and tactics on a portable system.

sheppy,

advance wars, well,Fire Emblem is on the same department, and it kicks its ass by far, not only that, but the second Advance Wars was also good (altho the double screen made it a bit more entertaining)

I heard Castlevania was fun, but then again I also heard that the touch screen (which is supposed to be the main feature of the DS) was just a tacked in gimmick.

Megaman ZX, well, I loved Megaman Zero, the first one tho (gba), becaause then they screwed up big time and made the game far easier, why lower the difficulty dammit.

all the other games arent interesting enough, I ll check Trauma Center, and as for the imports, well, I think that if the developers dont bring it to the different regions they understimate that crowd, so I rather wait.

I've never been into handheld gaming, but my most recent job requires a 2 hour commute so I thought I'd at least buy one device to keep me busy. It was either PSP or DS. I did a little bit of research on both and what I learned was that PSP doesn't have any interesting games. It really is a portable PlayStation. DS, on the other hand, had so many inspired games I couldn't decide which to buy first. (I ended up getting FF6 Advance and Phoenix Wright.)

sync,

Where did you do your research, the Nintendo forums?

If the games don't interest you because of the genre, then I understand that, but to make a blanket statement like "I learned was that PSP doesn't have any interesting games" is just ignorant.