that makes sense, since its not going to sell on the psp, cause we all know no one buy psp's for its games. the sales dont lie!

I had been wanting to play this game, now I might get my chance.

wow.. that was about the dumbest thing i just read (jamesology). im actually not a fanboy to any company since sega dropped out of the console race, and i actually own two psps (my first one stopped playing umds out of nowhere) and a ds, plus i plan on getting this game, but i play my ds more and have twice the amount of games for it than i do on psp. although i enjoy both systems, i just prefer the style of gaming on ds a bit more. oh and im 24, and my girlfriend doesnt own a ds, in fact when i got mine i was single, im just a GAMER that wants to play good games, which is why i own both.

oh and the gamecube wasnt a failure, and why add the micro lol, its a diff version of the gba, which was a huge success. and as for msft "shooting down" nintendo, i think selling a couple more million consoles isnt "shooting down" anything lol. 24 mil to 21.5 mil isnt nothin to brag about, while the ds is selling twice what the psp is selling, so please, quit sounding silly.

I play my DS 8 to 10 hours a day. That is most of my awake time. Shut the hell up with your bullshit Jamesology, I am tired of you Sony trollers trying to think up anything to say to piss of fans on Nintendo. I like Sony, I own a PS2, but that's it, I'm not going to buy their shoddy excuse for a handheld or their terrible and laughable excuse for a new system.

The developers don't lie, the PS3/PSP suck. If you can think up one good counter-point to that line, I will shut my mouth for good. And it cannot be "GRAHICS OMGOMGOMG I'M EIGHT, GRAPHICS ONLY" or "NINTENDO'S KIDDY" or even "MOVIES MUSIC HOMEBREW!?" because even the most stupid DS user knows that with plenty of devices such as the R4, G6, CycloDS or hell, MaxMediaDock, anyone can run music movies and run homebrew.

@5

I can list tons of great PSP games(can't do the same for PS3 though), and prove you wrong. But there's really no point in arguing with a Nintendo/DS fanboy, it's like arguing with a monkey.

And I can list tons of great DS games, picking from even Japanese ones that you haven't even heard of (Know of a little game called Slitherlink?). The PSP doesn't have as many as you make it out to be. I read reviews and get EGM monthly and a good PSP game comes around about once or twice a month. That's sad.

Also, nice job insinuating that I am a Nintendo/DS fanboy, because in reality I am not. Sega was my one true love, the Genesis is still used in my house. And before you go off and say "Oh wait then you hate Sony because of them knocking Sega out of the market" you are still wrong, because I own a Dreamcast and a PS2. I believe Sony had it right with the PS2, good games, fair price, internet that was subpar but at least something Nintendo didn't have. I actually wanted to like the PS3, but when they announced the Cell processing bullshit and promised all kinds of things that never happened along with five ninety nine us dollars, I knew it was going to be a flop. But wait, we were talking about the PSP. PSP was destined to be bad from the start. They have shitty third-party support, they resort to the stupidest forms of advertisement, and it has too much extras for its own good. Handhelds are supposed to be limited to game playing and a few features, not playing movies and other stupidity.

Sonicandtails: I actually like playing movies on my PSP, thank you very much. I like the whole idea of an integrated game player so I don't have to lug around 2 devices with me on trips.

Sadly, due to the lackluster game library, I do have to carry around 2 devices anyway - my DS and my PSP.

@7

And I read gamespot reviews, and 5 good PSP games come out every time 1 good DS game comes out. A bad game library? it's your opinion, so stop making it look as if it was a fact. And what's with this "shitty 3rd party support" crap..? Did you even look at the PSP lineup this year? OK sorry for calling you a nintendo fanboy, I was wrong, you're just a DS fanboy.

How did this turn into a troll fight so quickly.

Anyway, I like the game mechanics. Congrats Sega you made an interesting new IP. I love level editors on puzzle games. Also please include a way to download other peoples levels.

"How did this turn into a troll fight so quickly."

First post was a PSP blast saying game sales don't lie. Which is funny because Crush has been out on PSP all of two weeks and all three stores I tried to buy it at were sold out. In fact, Sega has stated they've been pleased with their PSP performance and the only company that has come out bashing sales has been EA. A company that delivered the 3.5 rated Burnout for DS and insist that, if PSP owners want madden on the go, they'll have to pay just as much for a neutored, and likely defective, copy on PSP. In fact, PSP game sales are usually fairly steady. But it's an internet myth so it's brought up immediately.

Then a PSP fantard jumped in and defended the PSP (how DARE he) but took it a bit far and sunk to the original postings level by turning around and ignorantly bashing DS.

Then someone defended DS but apparently the defending wasn't blatant enough as Sonic & Tails proved himself not only to be the biggest ass of the thread, but existing entirely for Nintendo DS. 8-10 a day indeed. One must wonder if there is a charger in his bathroom or how he avoids cheetos stains upon his buttons. Who needs a life when you have at least a 15% charge left?

Sorry, dud, had to burn you. Because jamesology attacks a troll and you call HIM a troll. Way to think it through, helmet head. And as someone else stated, there are ways to prove you wrong, but it's like arguing with a trekkie. No point and at the end of the day, you'd end up arguing with a retard.

Meanwhile, holz keeps shooting himself in Soncandtails tragic little efforts. And that, Karen, is how a simple thread turns into a console war. Sit back and enjoy. Eventually FR may show up and then it will become downright comical.

Seriously I would like to hear about some good games for the DS. My wife has one and the only game she plays is Clubhouse Games. The new Zelda would be a must get but other than that, there is nothing I am really interested in. I do not play RPG's so what's left? New Super Mario brothers is nothing new and neither is Mario Kart. I just want to know why everyone is so geeked over the DS other than the slick redesign.

OH GOD, primetime4! DON'T INCITE THE LISTS!

Seriously, sometime soon I'll have to set up a website with my game collection so people can just look at what I'm playing and own so that I don't have to whip out a list.

There is plenty to play on DS just as there is plenty to play on PSP. Before I can give you a list, let me know what games you're into.

@Sheppy

Crush is pretty awesome, I started playing it last night. It's like a puzzle game... with story!

Thanks Sheppy. I am genuinely interested because each week the release list for the DS looks pretty uninteresting. I mostly play action games so no puzzles or word games (although Crush here looks pretty good). I also do not play any kind of RPG's that have turn based combat. Right now I am playing Syphon Filter for PSP and really like it. I will probably pick up Portable Ops next. I am not so much into side scrollers either.

@Aex

Good to hear. I want to find a local copy because I don't really feel like paying shipping on too many games this month. Especially since, nowadays, I pay tax online anyway.

@primetime

Damn, you really limited me there. I can't go through the usual lists. Regardless, here I go. Despite many peoples complaints, I found some good times with Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors. Those are Hack 'n Slash so it's limited to combos, combos, and more combos. If you every played one, give the portables a shot. I got great enjoyment just based on the fields system (a system that was thankfully adopted, in a modified format, for Gundam Musuo). Kingdom of Heaven is also a pretty good hack and slash RPG. The combos in this game really drive it as you keep trying to mix all the elements.

The GTAs are always easy to recommend. Also, give Ratchet & Clank as well as Daxter a shot. Warriors is a pretty cheap pickup as well. And if dungeon slashing is your thing, Untold Legends can be fun (although takes FOREVER to beat). And if you've missed the Prince of Persia games first time out, give those a shot too. Coming soon, though, are a few more action games.

If you like action games Killzone: Liberation has decent reviews. R&C and Daxter are both excellent action/platformers.

I couldn't get Crush either at an EBGames last Sunday. They must not stock very many copies.

EBgames, Best Buy, Circuit City... all sold out of their initial and followup allotments of Crush. I haven't had this big of an issue finding a game on PSP since Ridge Racer at launch.

I'll make some calls pretty soon. But it's rare that I call AROUND for a game.

Thanks guys but I was hoping for the list of DS games. Trying to figure out why everyone is so gung-ho about it. All those games you mentioned are exactly what I play for the PSP (except Killzone got too hard too fast).

Primetime4*

Phoenix Wight
Catslvania:DOS
Animal Crossing
Hotel Dusk
FF III
Elite Beat Agents/Ouendan
Kirby Canvas Curse
Rocket Slime
Lunar Knights
Age of empires
Yoshi's island
Electroplakton
Advance Wars
Read some reviews (ignore some of the review numbers) and watch some video's there's ought to be something there you or your Wife will like. There's a lot more games I just listed some of the unique or fun ones for you.
*Disclaimer: This list was made for Primetime4 to check out some games for the DS that he may like. It is not apart of the above troll fighting that I think is a waste of time and space.

Karen, while I appreciate the list there is one problem. The games he tends to gravitate towards are not on your list. He likes action and tends to hate sidescrolling. In other words, of your list, Castlevania and Lunar Knights kind of relate, however Castlevania's sidescrolling kills the interest (or trust me, I would have made mention of the phenominal Megamans on PSP), leaving us with Lunar Knights as a topdown Action RPG. In other words, your lists doesn't apply to his interest.

Thanks for the list Karen. I might check out Hotel Dusk. The other ones look like RPG or side scrollers as Sheppy alluded to. But I am definitely surprised that more people didn't jump in with a long list given how strong the sales and support for the system have been. But I realize my tastes may also be pretty narrow.

Another good PSP game is Gurumin... Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Lmao, look already a DS fanboy! Not suprised as the FIRST post. HAHAHAHAHA.

Just a question for DS fanboys, do you guys actually play your DS b/c by the looks of these threads you don't. You guys seem to spend more time on the computer than the DS.

I wouldn't blame you though, DS games get boring fast. Thats why I don't buy them, I just download them with the R4DS. Now, they need to make one for the PSP, I don't want to hack it.

@rahnyc4
yeah sales don't lie and the gamecube proved it. A company corp "dedicated" to videogames got shot down by a Audio/Visual Corp(Sony) and a Computer Software Corp(MS). If they did it once they can probably do it again in the future. Just b/c Sony and MS failed now (like Virtualboy, Gamecube, Micro) it does not mean they will fail in the future.

Just b/c your family can't afford a PSP doesn't mean no one can. It's a girl system; Lady-boys buy it and Men buy it b/c their GF/Wife force them to; "so we can play together!"