Nintendo closing gap on Sony's market value

@megaStryke

Sure, that's when the 360 became worth buying. The Wii has potential to become a good buy in the future, but I really can't understand why anyone would buy it NOW instead of waiting until it hits it's stride, when the accessories and games and maybe even the console have dropped in price. Not to mention that you are gambling whether it will become good in the future or not.

vidGuy:

Theres just one problem to your divination. Casual gamers are who is buying the Nintendo. Casual gamers don't buy many games. So it doesn't matter how big you think the install base will get beacuse only Nintendo products will really move a good amount of units just like last time.

So what your gonna be stuck with is tons of cheap terrible games from 3rd parties trying to appeal to a niche casual market in hopes of capturing its imagination. Your not going to see many real games on the Wii ever.

Anyways, Nintendo will come out on the bottom by the time the next generation of consoles arrives. Its fun to dream though aint it vidGuy?

@Shaz

You've posted six times in this thread. Nintendo owns your free time.

The big slice of Wii owners are casual gamers that aren't interested in the same games as me, and that's the kind of people the developers will try to please. For example if Gears of War 2 was made as a Wii exclusive in two years from now, I bet my ass it would sell less than if it had been on 360.

^cut off my other post

Which means that all the GoW's and other games are not going to be on Wii, and all that will be left for me are the Nintendo franchises. GameCube all over again, but now with outdated graphics. Wonderful.

@ Steve

whoa, whoa there

The others i'll grant (especially the Wii Big Brain Academy, it could've been downloadable content easily, and priced similarly)

But Super Mario Strikers Charged is by no means a throwaway title, it is the sequel to the best sports game on GameCube, and perhaps one of the best exclusive sports titles last gen period

Fernando,

While that list is big for Wii owners, you must understand that hardcore gamers are only interested in Galaxy, Smash, Metroid, and Manhunt(mostly because of the controversy).

The rest of the titles are low budget, for girls, little kids, or casuals. For example, here are my most anticipated games, in approximate order:

Mass Effect
Crysis
Halo3
Too Human
Bioshock
Metroid3
Unreal3
MGS4
Fable2
Alan Wake
Galaxy
Two Worlds
Lair
Lost Odyssey
MGS4
Spore, and I don't even know why!
And I could name a lot of obvious other choices as well.

The list goes on, but the only two Wii games are in there.

Obviously, I am a bit biased towards the Sci-Fi in general, with a taste for RPG, Action, and Shooting. I only own a Wii and 360, so am again biased there. Crap, forgot that Wii Heroes game or whatever, can't think of the name but it is in there.

You have to be able to see, though, that the Wii is FOCUSING around the types of games most of us long time hardcore gamers aren't very interested in. I don't want to play a Hungry Hippos mini-game. I want to explore massive 3D worlds, uncover sinister plots, tweak a player to my tastes, and blast the hell out of all sorts of shit. Blood, I want blood damnit!

I don't want to hop around on the heads of 3D enemies that look like Barney's sidekicks with last gen graphics and sound, just to see a big poof effect and hear what sounds like a baby speaking its first words. Metroid looks great. Mario cause I still have a soft spot for plumbers. But sooo much of that Wii stuff lookes lame as hell.

@ 50

" So it doesn't matter how big you think the install base will get beacuse only Nintendo products will really move a good amount of units just like last time."

Ok that was last time, but let's take it back to SNES time (Nintendo's last time of dominance). Back then Nintendo had it's 1st party hits but they also had plenty of 3rd party support; and it was this support which really made the SNES what it is.

Now we all no how they lost a lot of that support. (N64-carts) And it was from a stance of limited 3rd support which they launched GC (w/ its non-dvd playing mini-dvd's). And that's the last time you speak of.

But it seems that popular support and 3rd party support look more like the SNES days than the GC days, and I'm predicting SNES/NES-like success. The truth is once devs realize that "hardcore" gamers (or potential ones) have bought the wii they will make the games. It's just how the business works.

I can't get enough of that picture. I hope Nintendo continues it's success simply so I can see it more often!

@40
Mario Galaxy [looking forward to this]
Smash Bros [not a fan]
Metroid Prime 3 (specially this game) [high hopes]
Mario Strikers [could give two shits about this game]
Manhunt 2 [first manhunt blew chunks]
Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers [wow another FF turd]
Rygar [you're kidding right?]
Soul Calibur Legens [yawn]
No More Heroes [never heard of it]
Disaster Day of Crisis [never heard of it]
Mario Kart Wii [Bet it looks and plays like every other mario kart game ive already played a million times]
Batalion Wars [yawn]
Resident Evil Umbrella C. [destined to be a low rated piece of shit]
Animal Crossing [not my type of game]
Forever Blue [no comment]
Dragon Quest [no comment]
Rayman 2 [yawn]

The only things I ever play anymore are my DS and my PC. Jump Ultimate Stars and Battlefield 2142 FTW!

Clearly the correlation is the number of letters in the device's name.

Well guys it's just about time for me go home and play the Godfather (which is a great wii game)

Happy whining.

For the life of me I don't understand why people get mad about a console doing better or worse than another. I don't cheer every time I find out that Panasonic is selling for LCD TV's than Sharp. So why the hell should you idiots give a shit if Nintendo is selling better than Sony. This is fantastic news if you are a Nintendo shareholder. The fact that there are 3 viable, different options for games available to you should make you happy if you're a gamer.

Vidguy is right. There will be a slew of 3rd party games for the Wii. Some will be good, some will be terrible. Go check out the PS2 library and tell me that all, or even most, of those games are great. You can't. The Wii has carved out a special place in the market as a second console for many hardcore gamers and a first console for casual gamers. Good for them. I also wish Sony and MS success because the last thing we want is a lack of competition. The only way we see any innovation is because companies have competitors nipping at their heels.

GROW UP SONY/MS/NINTENDO FANBOYS. isn't it enough to just be fans.

It amazes me how so many people are against Nintendo these days. Remember back in the Atari 2600 days when it was the so-called "crappiest" system, yet everyone owned one and its lifespan exceeded that of Intellivision, ColecoVision, the 5200, and others? When did this whole attitude of "only 'hardcore' gamers count" come along? I don't have a Wii, but I think they look like a lot of fun and will probably get one in the future to go along with my 360. Christ, I used to have a blast with the NES and SNES, two of the greatest systems to ever be created. People used to love Nintendo...now it's all this weird-ass bashing just because they're appealing to seemingly "everyone" once again - a crowd that many of you undoubtedly used to belong to as well if you ever loved or owned one of their classic systems.

33. The list of games coming out in the next 8 months for 360 and ps3 looks smoking.
Alone in the dark
Army of two
Kain and Lynch
GH3
Rockband
Mass Effect
stranglehold
Too human
GTA4
Resident evil 5 [this game will be bad ass]
Bioshock
Halo 3
Lair
Heavenly sword
Blue dragon

First off I like how 12 of these games are 360 games.LOL. But its cool Sony will get some games when they fix their first party support..I know that sounds weird but they really need to work on FP games BAD. But any way...

34.OK PS3 and XBOX 360 are innovations because like they have the exact smae controller but now its wireless....oh and they even changed the color! Did i mention that its almost the exact same as the originals except for more memory and upgraded some
chips for prettier pictures...
P.s lets not forget that you can even go online with the new Xbox! But if u have wireless internet (like most people) you only have to pay $100 for the wireless adapter plus $60 a year! NOW THATS INNOVATION

Lets go down the innovation list here..
PS3: Blu Ray tech...Even though people won't admit. This will be the future for GAMES not MOVIES..seriouly you don't need 25 gigs of memory for movies when you can do it cheaper on HD but thats another argument

XBOX 360:CONSOLE online features and user intergration. Basically making consoles highend entertainment systems that can intergrate users across the world. And since adding Windows Live this idea will succeed in the future. If you wanna throw XBLA and Market place in their we could talk about it all day but yeah...Its online capabilities.

Wii:High end motion sensor tech that creates new ways to play games.

Now I personally think the console that is the most next gen is the 360 not because of games but for what it does. Yes the PS3 is more powerful but until it has the Online features its gonna be behind straight up. Don't get it twisted the PS3 is great just not there yet. Hopefully PSN gets it together that way their online wont be holding them back. And oh yeah its 50 dollars a year not 60!!!LMAO

Shaggi,

I know 30 or so people that own a Wii. The average person is 20-something, has been gaming for 5 - 10 years, and owns 4-6 games.

Do you really think Nintendo's plan of reaching casual gamers has worked so well that 8 million of them have bought a Wii? I'd imagine less than 1 million of those are new to console gaming.

I agree that the Wii doesn't represent gaming very well on its own. But combined with your choice of the 360 or PS3, it's a no-brainer. It will reach millions upon millions of consumers and will be the developers favorite by 2009.

Shaggi,

I know 30 or so people that own a Wii. The average person is 20-something, has been gaming for 5 - 10 years, and owns 4-6 games.

Do you really think Nintendo's plan of reaching casual gamers has worked so well that 8 million of them have bought a Wii? I'd imagine less than 1 million of those are new to console gaming.

I agree that the Wii doesn't represent gaming very well on its own. But combined with your choice of the 360 or PS3, it's a no-brainer. It will reach millions upon millions of consumers and will be the developers favorite by 2009.

QUOTE ""Whats with people hating one platform or another?? There all video games made for your entertainment. Whats not to like?""

Sony is whats not to like arrogant sumbitches. FAIL SONY F A I L!

@Shagi

"Theres just one problem to your divination. Casual gamers are who is buying the Nintendo. Casual gamers don't buy many games. So it doesn't matter how big you think the install base will get beacuse only Nintendo products will really move a good amount of units just like last time.

So what your gonna be stuck with is tons of cheap terrible games from 3rd parties trying to appeal to a niche casual market in hopes of capturing its imagination. Your not going to see many real games on the Wii ever.

Anyways, Nintendo will come out on the bottom by the time the next generation of consoles arrives. Its fun to dream though aint it vidGuy?"

Think for a quick second. If the casual games are the biggest sellers on the Wii and the Wii continues to outsell the competition by a large margin despite the lack of "hardcore" games, don't you think that a lot of developers on the PS3 and 360 will try to toss out some casual titles themselves? Or do you think that casual gaming is untouchable on the PS3 and 360? The most downloaded game on XBLA is UNO. UNO. The card game. Some other big downloads include Bejeweled and other board and card games. Watch out. XBLA is gonna be swamped with that stuff, and that will inevitably creep onto the main software.

NDF ASSEMBLE!

Mission:

Bask in the glory boys. Bask in the glory.
Remember - noone hates you cuz your doing average.

I see so much hate, and for what? A system selling well? A company making money? Let's face it, hating a company cuz it doesn't make the games you want is a reflection of how truely duumb you are.

I hope the Wii goes on to do great. The industry needs a brave leader. Not a follower.

@Kye

About time you show up... theres a lot of Nintendo hating... I cant fight alone.

Who should care that Nintendo is doing well business wise? All of us should as blokes and birds who read up on the industry.

The better companies like Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, EA, SquareEnix, Capcom, Activison, Ubisoft, and more do, the bigger the industry becomes and the better the average product will be.

The industry is growing, this is the real underlining fact with this statement that Nintendo, a game and card company, has moved up in the world to be as worthwhile as a large electronics company.
Until just a few years ago, such a thing wasn't even possible. You either had to be in electronics already to have a good market value or merge with another.

Look at it another way.

Average stock investor who has no interest in video games and believe it's for children only looks at Nintendo and sees how great it's doing, how well it's selling, and notices that this industry is bigger then just a bunch of toys for small children.
The Video game industry makes a lot of money and employs a lot of people, and the more outsiders start to notice this, the bigger it will get.

You may dislike Wii, you may never wish to play it, but bloody hell this is a thread about market value.
Enjoy the fact video games companies are reaching the point that it is worth just as high as movie, music, clothes, plastic, and general electronics without having to be bought out by a multi-corp first.

Foolish fanaticism about "system a sucks" and "system b rules" is personal preference. To yell out and scream like small children over who has the "better candy" does nothing other then to lower us all as gamers.

For those still interested in buying stock in Nintendo, or Sony, it is still a worthwhile time to do so right now. Both should remain stable and building at a steady rate for another month or two before dipping for Summer/Fall lull.

I only wish all my stocks did as well as the ones in Sony and Nintendo.

@ Konajinx

you win this thread

Just because something is different doesn't mean it is doomed to failure, and just because things are the way they are NOW, bears little influence on how they'll be in the future

Please remember that in the scope of a 5 year console life, we are observing a device that is still in its infancy, if these problems persist until, say, Holiday 2008, then we can make more accurate calls

What kind of inhuman monster wouldn't look forward to Rygar on the Wii?

"damn even when nintendo is doing great all these sony fanboy seem to find a way to drag nintendo down... is there end to the fanboy wars.. just admit it.. nintendo is here to stay..."

What's funny about the Nintendtrolls is that they'd be cumming their pants for a month and a day if Nintendo announced they were going 3rd party to the 360 and PS3.

"Off Subject but since were bashing the Wii and the Wiihuggers; Isn't it funny how all of them claimed the controls made the game more immersive, then as soon as Manhunt gets banned they all started saying 'Well it's really not that much different from pressing a button'. You could never have gotten a Wiitard to say that 2 weeks ago, but that just shows you what hype machines Nintendo fans are, their mouths are writing checks that Nintendo won't cash."

No one is saying that. The difference, Sherlock, is that the content is the same. If Manhunt 2 got an AO rating because the Wii supposedly made it's content more immersive, despite it being the same (which we know that's not the case now), that's NOT fair.
It's like giving a movie a XXX rating in the theaters because the on-screen tits are the size of Buicks, but dropping it down to an R when it comes out on DVD because it's going to be seen on a smaller screen...thus, not as immersive.


"Theres just one problem to your divination. Casual gamers are who is buying the Nintendo. Casual gamers don't buy many games. So it doesn't matter how big you think the install base will get beacuse only Nintendo products will really move a good amount of units just like last time."

ARE they? As near as I can tell, it's really a lot of conjecture as to who is buying the Wii. I don't recall having seen any polls or demographic surveys being taken. If I'm wrong, show me. I'd actually be very interested to see some actual numbers on this for ALL consoles.

Anyway, you need to settle on a talking point, kiddo – you bounce between saying the Wii is being bought by Nintendo fanboys and "casuals". Which is it?

Has anyone mentioned that MS has a market value of 287 billion yet?

Way to go N$ntendo....

I cant make up my mind which troll I want to respond to, its' between Slaziman & Shagittarius, OK I'll go with the former.

1."The big slice of Wii owners are casual gamers that aren't interested in the same games as me, and that's the kind of people the developers will try to please. For example if Gears of War 2 was made as a Wii exclusive in two years from now, I bet my ass it would sell less than if it had been on 360."

Can you then explain why TP has an attach rate almost identical to GoW(0.4 as opposed to 0.42)? Can you also shed some light upon the fact that Red Steel & SPM have sold over a mill? Red Steel isn't exactly game of the year material so it surely shows that the Wii's user base are screaming out for meaty, 'mature' games. You may question SPM being hadcore but it is far too long and involved to attract the pick up and play crowd you seem to hate so much. Sales have also been decent for Tiger, ExciteTruck & Madden but as they haven't sold over a million I cant find their numbers. Are you still so sure GoW2 wouldn't sell well on Wii considering that it will also probably have a significantly larger install base than 360 in 2 years?

2."That many people who are long-time Nintendo fans or people that got caught in the hype are now disappointed with their Wii. Screwed out of their money."

Do you have anything to back that up? Was there some survey done which demonstrated a significant number of Wii users are disappointed with their purchase, if so please link.

3."The Wiimote is not an innovation, since in most games it's only function is substituting a button press with a shake. The pointer function is the only real value of the Wiimote, but seeing how halfassed it has been used so far, I don't have high hopes. The actual motion sensing works in a couple of games, but as I already said, in the majority of the games all you do is shake the Wiimote."

Well the majority of games on any system are crap so I don't see why that should reflect on the hardware whether that be a GB, Xbox ,Wii or PS. The Wiimote has proven successful in games such as Elebits, Wii Sports, Trauma Centre, Godfather, Warioware and I'm sure quite a few more. Doesn't it make sense to look at these games to decide on the Wiimote's worth rather than cheap cash-ins and rushed ports?

4."How can you base your satisfaction of a console based on games that aren't even released?"

So if you're a huge Halo fan you wouldn't factor that game into your decision of what console to buy because it isn't out yet? I don't really get your point.

5."The fact remains that every time a good game is announced it's 360, PS3, or PS3+360."

You are saying that no good games have been announced for Wii?

6."The Wii has potential to become a good buy in the future, but I really can't understand why anyone would buy it NOW instead of waiting until it hits it's stride, when the accessories and games and maybe even the console have dropped in price. Not to mention that you are gambling whether it will become good in the future or not."

I dont think you are attacking Wii here but early adopters of any product, without them very few would become successful.

OK, I'm done.

The list of games coming out in the next 8 months for 360 and ps3 looks smoking.
Alone in the dark-blah horror games
Army of two-seen it looks all right
Kain and Lynch-never heard of it
GH3-ok nothing special
Rockband-what is this? a rip-off of guitar hero?
Mass Effect-finally a good game
stranglehold-if i want a shooter i go to halo
Too human-never heard of this? more sci-fi?
GTA4-yeah a good game
Resident evil 5 [this game will be bad ass]-no ty, not hungrey for blood
Bioshock-not bad another shooter though
Halo 3-another Halo wow...whats changed?
Lair-never heard of it
Heavenly-sword-never heard of it
Blue dragon-might be alright, we'll see

I don't understand why there is all this hatred toward the nintendo when it's revealed that they have a little succes but for some reason when the ps2 was the weakest console of the last generation and had the vast majority of the market share. Its basic economics, corporations are in buisiness to make money. Microsoft and Sony chose to make a high proformance product that they make very little money off of (microsoft) or lose money on (Sony). They do this in hopes of making money off of software and peripherals. Honestly can you fault Nintendo for going this route? Let's face it, Nintendo could not have made much money if they chose tried to participated in the Hi-def war. And I'm tried of this bull-shit argument that the Wii is not a good product and there are no good games for it because when I look at what's coming it definitely is every bit as good as the PS3 lineup (not the 360 of course). Yes Sony probably has a few better third party releases scheduled than the Wii but you can't tell Me that Nintendo's first party games don't knock out most if not all of Sony is producing itself. Look at the DS, when it first came out it had Mario 64...and nothing else but mini-game shit. Now when you look at the games it has, how much better they are rated, and the superior quality over their PSP counterparts it's hard deny that DS was better thought out than the PSP. This all with people's skepticism and their reluctance to buy a system with a touch screen. If the wii has this much support now and is already gaining this much support imagine where this goes. Don't get me wrong I am not a fanboy of any type ( i have a PS2 and plan on getting a Wii and a 360 when get the cash), I'm just tired of all the bull-shit.

Sure, the Wii isn't as great as the XBox 360(want one), let alone the PS3(it'd be nice if I had one...). I have a NES, SNES, PS1, N64, PS2, GC, XBox and Wii. Would you call me a Nintendo fanboy?

@ Slaziman

You know most games have half-ass controls for the game pad right? Most games do not use the analog nature of the analog stick and most games use way more buttons than it needs.

In short: STFU

"you must understand that hardcore gamers are only interested in Galaxy, Smash, Metroid, and Manhunt"

By definition, a person who is "only interested" in a mere four titles cannot be considered a "hardcore" gamer.

I'm getting a tattoo of that picture tomorrow.

"Can you then explain why TP has an attach rate almost identical to GoW(0.4 as opposed to 0.42)? Can you also shed some light upon the fact that Red Steel & SPM have sold over a mill? Red Steel isn't exactly game of the year material so it surely shows that the Wii's user base are screaming out for meaty, 'mature' games. You may question SPM being hadcore but it is far too long and involved to attract the pick up and play crowd you seem to hate so much. Sales have also been decent for Tiger, ExciteTruck & Madden but as they haven't sold over a million I cant find their numbers. Are you still so sure GoW2 wouldn't sell well on Wii considering that it will also probably have a significantly larger install base than 360 in 2 years?"

You are owning yourself here, the new entry in a legendary series having the same attach rate as a new franchise, which happens to be a shooter on a shooter-ridden console? Not to mention Zelda appeals to a much bigger crowd than Gears. Then you got the Nintendo fanboys, who gobbled it up (me included), I'd be surprised if not 95% of the "hardcore" (lame term but you know what I mean) gamers got Zelda, especially since it was the only good game at launch. Red Steel was the first FPS to use the much hyped Wiimote, your average casual gamer probably never heard how bad it was, and got caught up in the hype. SPM has Mario and it also appeals to a big crowd, it's no wonder it sold 1 million (the thing isn't even out in Europe, GRR)

"Do you have anything to back that up? Was there some survey done which demonstrated a significant number of Wii users are disappointed with their purchase, if so please link."

I know people who did the same as me, sold the Wii at the price they bought it while it was still in high demand, then maybe rebuy it later when it doesn't suck so much. But I don't have a checkable source, so I guess you win this round ;)

"Well the majority of games on any system are crap so I don't see why that should reflect on the hardware whether that be a GB, Xbox ,Wii or PS. The Wiimote has proven successful in games such as Elebits, Wii Sports, Trauma Centre, Godfather, Warioware and I'm sure quite a few more. Doesn't it make sense to look at these games to decide on the Wiimote's worth rather than cheap cash-ins and rushed ports?"

5 examples, two being minigame collections, and one having bad reviews. As I said the pointing functionality is the only real value, but the part with the accelerometers? Where has it added substantial value to a game? Zelda used it for sword swinging, I thought it was neat, but it didn't make the game. Same goes for Godfather. If the revolution is making games control marginally better (in most reviews I have read even when the Wii controls work, they still have annoying drawbacks, such as inaccuracies) at the cost of much better graphics, decent online integration, and a real download service (XBLA, PSN) that doesn't dump old games with absolutely no modifications, and sometimes even missing features (Rumble and Controller Pak come to mind), and a ton of "hardcore" games that just can't work on the Wii, I'll pass. In Europe it's worse because the Virtual Console has issues with some games that run 17% lower.

"So if you're a huge Halo fan you wouldn't factor that game into your decision of what console to buy because it isn't out yet? I don't really get your point."

Of course, because it sweetens the deal on an already good purchase. But if there were very few good games on the 360 I wouldn't buy it just because Halo 3 is coming out for it in the future.

"You are saying that no good games have been announced for Wii?"

Which good games have been announced for Wii in 2007? Zack & Wiki Project Z yadda yadda? Dewy's Adventure? What else?

As soon as Nintendo manage to get out of the red with a successful console, M$ and Sony fanboys immediately try to discredit the Wii. I'll buy one cause of the offline multiplayer experience and the knowledge that it will last me for years. GC? Still going strong after 5 years. Xbox 360? Well, that depends if u got lucky. I certainly wouldn't be happy spending £300 on a console with no upgradability and paying for refurbed consoles which are destined to break, when I could save up with that money and get a reliable one with no decent games ATM instead. I'm looking for a Hi-Def console, but at the moment, nothing says 'fun multiplayer' as much as Super Smash Bros Brawl. Unless you count Burnout Paradise.

With 17% lower I meant 17% slower.

slaziman said, "In which game has the Wiimote done something that couldn't ever be achieved with a normal control scheme?"

Elebits is an excellent example. you wouldn't even be able to control elebits properly with a mouse. that is one game that truly takes advantage of a 3d pointing device. you should try it out, unless you're too insecure with your manhood to play such a "kiddy" game.

-"superfan" tactics.

I would've but it came to Europe after I sold my Wii :(

Sooo.... Why are Wii's still hard to find? If they are making so much money, why hasn't Wii production been ramped up? It has been obvious Nintendo needs to produce them faster for 7 months now... and... nothing? Still?

That's amazing...

I love this. You people are actually getting physically worked up about this. You feel actual rage when you read this article. Oh man this is hilarious. You spend time compiling lists to post about why the Wii blows chunks or is for kids and why the 360 or PS3 is awesome. Just...wow. I just don't know what to say.

@Shagittarius

you are a complete moron! (well atleast your complete) dont call other people idiots jus coz they like the wii ..

"17. Just remember you little nintendo bitches what goes up, always comes down."

@17 you must be talkin from experience.. hows it going down there bs3 fanboy!

Sony might get the last laugh, but Nintendo has certianly gotten the first.

And the first laugh has lasted longer than anybody expected.

Lol...that is great... Rejoyce the trend... Maybe they can pass the gamecube few more times as the next gen console. The future is bright...

Next generation "super innovative" feature be a blowing the controller... Yes, you will be able to sniff the console while rubbing, (ds style) and blowing into it.... and consoles in every color of the rainbow.

Years of endless mini-games. Same old titles they can sell you over and over. Substandard graphics, lack of mature content, no third party development..all in glorious 480p

...but at least you can play with grandpa !!

LIST WARS ARRRRRRRRGH

[/pirate impersonation]

It must suck living in a world where to feel good about your system every day you must get up and bash another. Instead of bashing nintendo why don't you go out and support your PS3/Xbox 360 and try and get others who don't own systems to support it as well.

This thread is probably dead so I'll keep this brief.

"You are owning yourself here, the new entry in a legendary series having the same attach rate as a new franchise, which happens to be a shooter on a shooter-ridden console? Not to mention Zelda appeals to a much bigger crowd than Gears. Then you got the Nintendo fanboys, who gobbled it up (me included), I'd be surprised if not 95% of the "hardcore" (lame term but you know what I mean) gamers got Zelda, especially since it was the only good game at launch. Red Steel was the first FPS to use the much hyped Wiimote, your average casual gamer probably never heard how bad it was, and got caught up in the hype. SPM has Mario and it also appeals to a big crowd, it's no wonder it sold 1 million (the thing isn't even out in Europe, GRR)"

How did I own myself? If franchises kill new IPs the how come GoW has thrashed every established franchise on the 360? It being the only good game at launch is only opinion & what you are implying about the Wii user base is that only pick up and play games are considered good. My numbers show there is a big chunk of Wii owners who want epic, demading games. As for Red Steel being hyped, I'd say so was GoW. SPM is way too much of an investment of time for a mini-game fan to consider, it dwarfs GoW's sinle player campaign in hours.

"I know people who did the same as me, sold the Wii at the price they bought it while it was still in high demand, then maybe rebuy it later when it doesn't suck so much. But I don't have a checkable source, so I guess you win this round ;)"

At leat you're willing to concede the obvious. This elevates you above many on these forums.

"5 examples, two being minigame collections, and one having bad reviews. As I said the pointing functionality is the only real value, but the part with the accelerometers? Where has it added substantial value to a game? Zelda used it for sword swinging, I thought it was neat, but it didn't make the game. Same goes for Godfather. If the revolution is making games control marginally better (in most reviews I have read even when the Wii controls work, they still have annoying drawbacks, such as inaccuracies) at the cost of much better graphics, decent online integration, and a real download service (XBLA, PSN) that doesn't dump old games with absolutely no modifications, and sometimes even missing features (Rumble and Controller Pak come to mind), and a ton of "hardcore" games that just can't work on the Wii, I'll pass. In Europe it's worse because the Virtual Console has issues with some games that run 17% lower."

If the Wii is being utilised well in a mini-game then it is evidence of the wiimotes potential and could be implemented in a more traditional game down the line. Wii sports uses the motion controls wonderfully and gives confidence in fully fledged sports games being awesome in the future. As for your other comments, I guess that's down to the individuals opinion and perception of value.

"Of course, because it sweetens the deal on an already good purchase. But if there were very few good games on the 360 I wouldn't buy it just because Halo 3 is coming out for it in the future."

What about if GTAIV, SCIV, Bioshock,etc,etc. were coming out ,surely you'd be confident in your investment even if there was only 1 released game currently on the system.

"Which good games have been announced for Wii in 2007? Zack & Wiki Project Z yadda yadda? Dewy's Adventure? What else?"

You mention 2 potential games there so I've already disproved your point of no good games being announced on Wii. No More Heroes particularily has me excited, and you didn't mention anything about 2007 in your origional post.

Hey guys let's have a big argument over which system is better. We wont actually get anything accomplished, and nobody will change their views on the system. There will be people who make arguments with no basis/facts at all and pretend to know what they are talking about, but they dont.

Nintendo is here to stay, I love my wii, i bought it just for first party titles and am looking forward to the titles on the horizon.

Microsoft is here to stay, I love my 360, i bought it to play online and to take advantage of my HDTV. I have the most games for it at the moment and I think Microsoft will always have the online scene under complete lock.

Sony is here to stay (more than likely). While the PS3's numbers are suffering, they have enough to stay afloat. While I don't own a ps3, I work at game crazy and play one almost every day. It's okay, just not my cup of tea. I'm not going to sit here and insult anyone who plays it or attack them, calling them names and such because its pointless. They make like something about it that I don't and that's great, good for them.

I believe competition forces game companies to be different and work harder. Without something distinguishing, they won't sell as much product, so they try to implement new stuff into their systems. Don't hate on someone else's system, it doesn't accomplish anything, they aren't going to go "Oh hey that made sense, lemme throw away my ps3/360/wii and buy that guy's system"

sorry for the wall o' text

/rant off.

The real point of this story is that Nintendo is worth the same amount as Sony. Nintendo makes the Wii and the DS, and Sony makes everything on the planet. What we have learned from this is that the Wii and the DS are more valuable than everything on the planet. That's all, really.