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Posted: Jun 20th 2007 2:54PM (Unverified) said

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Viva la censorship!
(or should I say heil!?)

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 2:58PM (Unverified) said

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I ban you too, Manhunt 2!

I am drunk off my own power...

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 2:58PM (Unverified) said

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Deciding to put this game on the Wii was the final nail in the coffin. The Wii is viewed like a toy with its similar demographic.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 2:59PM (Unverified) said

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"Banning a video game title clearly displays a lack of trust in the countries' own ratings systems, where Manhunt 2 should be receiving a tightly-enforced 18+ rating."

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but it's kind of unfair to put words into their mouths like that. Also, you're telling them what they "should" be doing, which I don't much agree with.

Don't get me wrong, it's your blog. You can write it how you want, but I don't have to respect the way you wrote it.

Anyway, down with censorship!

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:06PM Stevorino said

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Not surprised...It's hard for me to believe that Rockstar didn't think this game would have a hard time w/ ratings...

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:13PM (Unverified) said

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well to be fair if they didn't ban it it would create a massive grey import market in the UK with guys driving acrooss the border filling up their cars and selling 'em on in the UK

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:51PM (Unverified) said

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Just to point out a slight inaccuracy, Irish legislation means that the censors office isn't actually able to rate games as such. We are members of PEGI who rate video games across Europe.

I listened to the censor explain his decision on radio this morning and he was quite articulate and fair. He even corrected the reporter who said that the original title was linked to a murder in the UK, by pointing out that upon investigation the murdered didn't have access to the game.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:13PM sand0789 said

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Well, at least the US doesn't practice this level of censorship. TT can still sell it here. It is just that most major retailers won't stock it, kinda like porn. You gotta buy it over the internet and in special stores.

I'm not necessarily against this being banned. I mean, there is a line between what you can and can't do. If the game is just disgusting torture where you are physically acting it out, that is pretty damn distasteful. Much worse than pr0n in my opinion.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:18PM LiqwidZero said

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Rockstar should make this game without region protection when it goes on sale here in the States. That way, everyone could import it.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:17PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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Well the Irish ratings basically at least make sense

"sometimes violence teaches a lesson or is exposed as wrong. manhunt glorifies it"

of course banning is overboard.

Rockstar, I can solve your problems with a CHEAP CHEAP FIX, GIVING IT AN M RATING AND UNBAN:

At the beginning of the game, just have a single screen that says "Violence is wrong. Hurting people is a bad way to live. If you don't believe it, watch this sick stuff"

hey it worked for Need for Speed Carbon and Jet Set Radio, haha

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:51PM (Unverified) said

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GOD DAMNIT!
I'm Irish and I'm actually surprised by this...

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:19PM (Unverified) said

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#6 Jake,

I'm glad you're "...not necessarily against this being banned. I mean, there is a line between what you can and can't do."

Why stop with video games? "If the game is just disgusting torture..." then there are plenty of books that fall into that category as well. I have a firepit in my backyard - lets's start gathering and burning books. The Nazis did that, and look how successfully they brainwashed Germany.

I mean, it's obvious that we know what is right for the entire population of the world, so let's go ahead and make their choices for them.

Heil censorship!

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:21PM SirEdgeworth said

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No suprise really... Ireland and the UK even thoe they hate each other follow each others lead. I'm glad I live in the land of freedom and don't have to worry about a ban.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:25PM (Unverified) said

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Anam, how can you disagree with that - if something cannot be rated on any level - surely this does indicate a problem with a ratings system. The thought that they don't think adults are responsible enough to decide to play a game which they themselves must have played is downright condescending

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:27PM Joanna D said

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"Banning a video game title clearly displays a lack of trust in the countries' own ratings systems, where Manhunt 2 should be receiving a tightly-enforced 18+ rating."

Actually, it shows a clear sign of trust - we trust our ratings boards enough to give them the power to do this and if what reports are saying is true, they're making very good decisions indeed.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:28PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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@12

I know right

"This game is sick. No human being should be able to experience how awesome it is to kill someone with this plastic bag. Haha dude did you see what his eyes did? Er, yep, no human should be able to experience this *slips copy into backpack*"

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:29PM (Unverified) said

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"Banning a video game title clearly displays a lack of trust in the countries' own ratings systems, where Manhunt 2 should be receiving a tightly-enforced 18+ rating."

...or it could simply mean that the countries don't have an AO-equivalent rating for video games, and so the only logical solution for a game considered too violent for an 18+ is to refuse classification. So, yes, this shows that these countries' ratings systems are lacking (in that they should have an AO-equivalent rating) but it's really going out on a limb to claim that this "displays a lack of trust in the countries' own ratings systems".

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:34PM (Unverified) said

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I'm confused, I thought the United Kingdoms were Ireland, England, and Scotland?

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:34PM (Unverified) said

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@Snife

I don't disagree with anything Ross Miller wrote in this blog, but I don't approve with the way he stated it.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:38PM (Unverified) said

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True alright, we don't have any rating higher than 18. And seeing as this is the first game that has _ever_ been banned in Ireland, and how the first Manhunt was so brutal, I think we're doing ok.

Also, the article stating that Manhunt was withdrawn is misleading - HMV withdrew it for about two weeks, as it's English-owned, but it was put back on the shelves after that. You can still buy it.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:38PM SirEdgeworth said

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@ 16 Northern Ireland is in the UK. But Ireland is its own country.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:40PM Dale P said

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Lest we not forget, the originally game was banned after the death of 14 year old Stefan Pakeerah in the UK. After his death, his parents and the media went on a witch hunt, claiming his killer - 17 year old Warren Leblanc - was obsessed with and inspired by the game to commit the crimes.

It was later discovered - without apology or retraction from anyone - that STEFAN owned the game, not his killer.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:41PM (Unverified) said

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@16

Only Northern Ireland is part of the UK and you also forgot Wales as one of the Kingdoms.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:00PM (Unverified) said

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This has been a sad, sad month for proponents of free speech.

I don't like the concept behind the Manhunt games at all, but I sure as shit believe in their right to make and sell it to those who do want it.

Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. And people claim they're living in a free society. Pathetic.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:43PM mophie said

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At #16:

Nice ignorance moron - The United Kingdom is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland which is an entirely seperate country that's existed for over 75 years...

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:43PM (Unverified) said

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We should ban it here as well in the U.S. if you ask me. This "game" has gone way past the line and if you don't see that, there's something wrong with you.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:47PM (Unverified) said

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Let's be honest, Rockstar creates games like this for the sole reason of stirring up shit. Well they wanted the attention, they're getting it! That's two AO ratings so far, and several murders commited by avid GTA players. Hope you got your 10 bux.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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Farseer- Books, films, TV etc isn't interactive though.

Christopher7xii- get back to geography class.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:48PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks Mike. Maybe you could start making a list of books we should ban then you can draw the blueprints for our invasion of Poland.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:48PM (Unverified) said

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i want to play this SO BAD now!!

also as far as murder simulators go, i have yet to play anything on the wii aside from sports that feels even remotely like the real deal, so i'm not too fussed about that.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:49PM (Unverified) said

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Just the type of game I want to play, sure....who doesn't want to be a psychopathic killer who mauls people with his bare hands.

Sure, that's sane. I'm all about that. Fun stuff.

Anybody got the number of a therapist I can talk to?

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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@16 England , Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The IFCO state that "We believe that adults (i.e. persons over 18) should be free, within the law, to choose what they wish to view"

I'm assuming that this is what Ross is refering to in his blog. Manhunt is not breaking the law, so it should be available to adults.

However, the IFCO also claims to "have a duty to protect children and young persons from harm" and so, knowing that video games are not as strictly controlled as they should be, this may be what pushed them to ban (along with following the british hand-in-hand :P)

The IFCO has issued a statement stating that they would consider a censored version.

Also, /rolleyes @ 11.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:49PM SirEdgeworth said

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LOL I like how .22 Thinks people who don't know everything about other peoples countries is a moron. I'm sure he knows everything there is to know about every country ever.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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GunForHire, let it go. Nobody knows everything, and you're a damned fool if you think you never make a mistake. God, don't kill me because I'm not a geography major, I don't travel, and I don't live in the UK. I openly said "i thought", meaning I wasn't sure. I'm sure you could tell me the difference between a compiler and interpreter, right? Oh wait - it doesn't apply to your life so you don't know. See how that works? Good, glad you're learning.

I appreciate the clarification Cypher09 gave me.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:51PM LordAlu said

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@Christopher7xii:

The UK is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. I believe they're talking about the Republic of Ireland, which is outside of the UK and thus the BBFC's jurisdiction.

I for one am disheartened at all this banning going around. In the UK it is illegal to sell a rated title to a person under that age. If the game was given the highest rating of 18, then only 18 year olds can buy it. If it gets into the hands of children, then the blame can only be placed on the parents, since they are the ones who would buy it.

Refusing to classify the title because it glorifies and simulates murder? I read plenty of books with deaths and killings in them. I've seen loads of films with random killings, torture and all manner of gruesome things. Just because you interact with it a bit more than a movie or a book doesn't mean it deserves a complete ban.

I do agree with Joystiq that it shows the BBFC not only don't trust their own ratings system, but that it also shows they don't want any media backlash when no doubt some other idiot parent would blame the game for their mentally disturbed 12 year old that they bought the game for going on a murderous rampage. If that had of happened the media would have immediately turned to the BBFC and demanded to know why they classified such a title, despite it quite simply being the fault of the parent.

Unfortunately, "teaching" parents which games are violent etc. won't work - I believe it should simply be made compulsory that when purchasing the game the customer should display ID showing their age and signing an agreement stating that they fully understand the content of the game and any possible (if mainly unproven) risks that are involved.

The BBFC's inability to rate this game due to their fear of being sued is quite laughable, but unfortunately in this day and age they simply can't take the risk. A sad day for gaming and the UK indeed.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:54PM SirEdgeworth said

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@ 30 I can't help that Western Europe is socialist pigs that ban everything thats offensive. America has only banned one game because it has nude minors in it. Western Europe censors everything.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:54PM vidguy said

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This is starting to look like Fahrenheit 451. Soon there will be an army of police officers roaming the streets to make sure we don't play any video games that may harm our fragile little minds.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 3:58PM mirage said

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@25

While we're at it, let's ban the Bible because I guarantee more murders have been committed by avid Bible readers than avid GTA players.

You can't ban something because a person who used that product has also committed a crime. That is completely ridiculous!

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:01PM (Unverified) said

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@35

Is that so?

Is that why American films get the "This movie has been edited to make it suitable to audiences" or whatever the message you guys get. Where they dub over any minor language with this like "crap" or "chicken"

Remember the out roar after a little nipple slip at your super bowl?

I would like to know exactly what "everything" is that we censor. And by "we" I mean the whole of Western Europe.

Stupid censorship is universal.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:01PM SirEdgeworth said

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@ 38 thats eurpeans for you. They don't believe in freedom rather big government.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:05PM (Unverified) said

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"They go on to list movies that were given the 18 rating, including the gore-fest Texas Chainsaw Massacre (though, to be fair, the focus of that movie is on the victim and therefore glorification is not a central theme)."

Have you people ever watched the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

There is no gore to really speak of. It's more disturbing, than gory. The goriest scene is at the beginning - with the corpse tied to the headstone. And it's tame, compared to todays standards.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:05PM (Unverified) said

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Would anyone like to help me organise a petition?

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:07PM SirEdgeworth said

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@ 39 It's done to meet certain raitings. Like if you make a movie targeted at teenagers you wan't to meet pg13 standards moron. Or you will have poor viewer turnout.

Yeah the nipple slip that happend on PUBLIC television? We believe in helping parents that wan't to keep their kids from nudity can do so. That doesn't mean ban it but putting raitings and having restrictions on television. Censorship is universal yes but we don't ban things in America. Other then whats neccesary to ban. Like Child porn and speaking of wierd-o Brits were running a child porn ring in the uk that raped babies. Eff europe and eff you.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:27PM (Unverified) said

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Wii Sports came out, and we got plastic baseball bat and tennis racket attachments...

When Manhunt 2 comes out, is some company gonna offer us the plastic syringe and cinder block attachments?

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:10PM (Unverified) said

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Maybe the British can't handle the game.

Look at what goes on during their soccer games. They should try banning alcohol as well.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:18PM The Fuzz 53 said

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This game has to be fantastic. Rockstar better not change a thing. I definitly plan on buying it.

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:21PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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I do not want to personally buy this game but honestly i might buy it just to help out rockstar, and sell it on ebay unopened overseas

ill break even or profit

rockstar will be encouraged to do what they want

censors lose

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:34PM RobAccomando said

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The U.S. censors sex and everyone else censors violence it seems. U.S. : sex=bad, violence=good

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:36PM RobAccomando said

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The U.S. censors sex and everyone else censors violence it seems. U.S. : sex=bad, violence=good

Posted: Jun 20th 2007 4:40PM SirEdgeworth said

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@ 48-49 The US censors both... We just don't ban things.

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