Boston Globe: Wii puts violence in motion
The Boston Globe is taking a look at the dark and sinister side of the Wii in the wake of the Manhunt controversy this week. Looks like the New York Times owned Boston Globe is taking pointers from their tabloid competition the Boston Herald. Oh well, it's about time the Wii got a little bad press from the mainstream media. It can't all be old folk's homes and military rehab fluff pieces.The story explores the possibility of the Wii being used in a "sawing motion, one used to separate a limb from a body, and the scene on the screen shows all the gory details." They speak to Joanne Cantor, a researcher of media violence on children, who was cited in the "Violent Pac-Man" research, and she says, "The more realistic and involving the game gets, and the greater the similarity between the action in the game and real life action, the stronger the negative effects would be. No, your son may not turn into a criminal. But exposure will take a toll on his life somewhere, probably in interpersonal relationships. These are subtle effects. They take time to surface. A teen isn't going to notice them." The Globe also speaks to child psychiatrist who says that violent actions through the Wii may not make someone into a killer, but "could it make someone prone to domestic violence or child abuse?" They also speak to pediatrician Michael Rich who says, "Wii provides a double whammy ... very violent content and physical involvement, which we know is how learning happens."
There is a little counterpoint in the piece, by none other than GamePolitics writer and Joystiq columnist Dennis McCauley, who says, "No question Manhunt goes beyond the pale in terms of violence. I'm sure this one will be worse ... But that Wii interactivity adds an extra kicker to what happens in the brain is purely speculative. The Wii technology isn't as bad as some folks say or as good as Nintendo wants you to believe." There is also the simple truth from David Finkelhor, co director of the Family Research Lab at the University of New Hampshire who points out that in the 10 to 12 years in which violent video games have exploded on the scene, the juvenile crime rate has gone down. Oops! Could violent video games actually be giving kids prone to violence an outlet for rage rather than increasing the probability for violence?










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
2ez @ Jun 23rd 2007 6:10PM
Stupid kidtendo and their kiddie murder games.
killa @ Jun 23rd 2007 6:14PM
lol @ 2ez major sarcasm... that should get the fanboys riled up
ronh @ Jun 23rd 2007 6:44PM
I feel the same way about Pinata's. I mean nothing makes me want to kill a person or animal more then the thought of busting open something and getting candy.
Seriously though. This is just fearmongering from the news media. Anything new?
kingofwale @ Jun 23rd 2007 6:48PM
first negative media report in the history of Wii. let's not get our panties in a twist here.
Dathos @ Jun 23rd 2007 6:55PM
One question. What are these children doing playing an obviously M rated game and now, for the moment, an AO rated one?
Rob Accomando @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:10PM
I guess Nintendos plan to train an army of murderous children right under oblivious parents just got debunked by the Boston Globe. Damn, they were SO CLOSE.
ManekiNeko @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:14PM
Playing the Wii doesn't make me violent, but listening to these fearmongering idiots try to out-stupid each other sure does. Where the hell is the mute button on these guys?
JR
Spitkicker @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:22PM
@dathos
Exactly. There should be no further argument over this. Be a fucking parent and take responsibility for your actions. You know that thing you did to pleasure yourself that happened to create offspring. Seriously America should focus on real issues such as real life violence, war, drug abuse, etc etc. We have the Army using violent video games to recruit it's next breed of killers, yet we don't see any uproar of that.
Wow what a scathing expose from the globe. Where were they during the lead up to the Iraq war? I am honestly tired of hearing about this so called 'murder simulation'. Look I have played violent video games since I was a pre-teen (nope my parents paid no mind to them, they knew I am not a fucking retard..I know reality from a game.) and I am strongly against using violence for any reason (sounds hypocritical I know) and have never wanted to kill somebody because of a game. R-E-S-P-O-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y...say it with me.
Rob Accomando @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:37PM
@Spitkicker I totally agree with what you said, but it doesn't seem like the people who are against this stuff seem to use any kind of logic. We give 1,000,000 analogies and agrue that common sense should solve all this crap... but it doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen.
David @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:37PM
SHouldn't Boston be worrying more about the killing Brite Lites and less on video games?
Mr Khan @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:48PM
@ Spitkicker
Your post made me laugh, mostly because you misspelled "Responsibility"
@ Kingofwale
"first negative media report in the history of Wii that didn't come from the Gaming media. Let's not get our panties in a bunch here."
fixed
Spitkicker @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:54PM
@Mr Khan
LOL. Shit. Does that negate my entire argument then? I should really spellcheck before clicking add. In my own defense I am at work and jumping back and forth between this and...well working.
Spitkicker @ Jun 23rd 2007 7:56PM
I was actually going for repository but screwed that up entirely!!
TenTonWang @ Jun 23rd 2007 8:06PM
Man, I'll tell you....
Playing Cooking Mama on the Wii made me wanna cook. All the time.
and Red Steel?
Kitanas all the way.
wine @ Jun 23rd 2007 8:17PM
well, friggin duh. Do a swing and slice a head of! FUN! Na. release it without the motion crap, doesn't the new smash brothers have like...5 ways to play?
or don't release it for the wii. you know. how it's atracting old people and all that shit. they don't want to play this. I do.
what's that? no grandma you're doing it wrong. you're supposed to stab the guy with the knife. no, dude, do the same thing you were doing in wii sports.
and Sony, don't be a pussy...you don't like piracy but you don't let a game go out for being AO? fuck yes is gonna get leaked. fuck yes there will be thousands downloading it. this is pointless.
ExMcloud @ Jun 23rd 2007 9:09PM
TenTonWang hey don't forget that Rayman...Matta fact I wanna go buy a plunger right now...Thts shows my lack of repository(Just kidding Spitkicker)...LOL. Wow is this like the first forum where the fanboys got along?
Man Hunt 2 FTW
F_U_FANBOYS @ Jun 23rd 2007 10:37PM
The wii is the most over-hyped piece of crap since the pet rock.
Tron Knotts @ Jun 23rd 2007 10:43PM
I think that the only reason that Manhunt got an AO is that the ESRB hated the game. They were personally disturbed and disgusted by it. Thing is, there are many games they should find more disturbing that involve real sadism and real crime, like GTA, Scarface, and The Godfather.
Kids are more likely to be "warped" by games that promote casual, real life crime like drug dealing, car theft, hiring and murdering prostitutes than then are to be warped by a game like Manhunt 2, which is totally ridiculous and had no ties to every day reality.
And I don't just mean the premise of the game. I mean the violence itself. The screen shots and movies of this game that I've seen depicted violence that had no real world connection to them at all. The amount of blood flying everywhere, well, there isn't even that much blood in an entire human body.
But the ESRB didn't like Manhunt 2. It grossed them out more than other games. So they gave it an AO. What do they care if their rating is valid? A lot of people on the ESRB hate all video games.
horngreen @ Jun 24th 2007 1:33AM
So with this logic since I used a saw in shop class way back in high school it f-ed up my interpersonal skills because I learned how to saw? I can use a hammer but I don't beat my wife.
syco @ Jun 24th 2007 3:34AM
People who get reality and fantasy mixed up are not "retards", they're psychotic, and they need help, and their parents are idiots for not noticing.
And there's a difference between calling Manhunt 2 art, which is laughably ridiculous, and saying that Nintendo's policy of disallowing AO games on their console could restrict the release of an artful game. Censorship is rarely a good thing, regardless of the artistic value of censored material. An adult can go buy 300 on DVD and watch 2 hours of gruesome violence of varying levels of believability, so why can't an adult buy a game of the same nature? The difference between watching it, pushing buttons, or waggling a wiimote is immaterial if the viewer has a firm grip on reality.
paralipsis @ Jun 24th 2007 4:44AM
I think it is perhaps worth considering that while a game like this is not likely to create murderers, it may have a negative impact upon the player, especially young players.
Should it be banned? I don't know, but it may well be deserving of an AO rating, and it is not censorship by Nintendo to refuse to license it, it is their prerogative. The licensing structures have been in place for decades to allow console manufacturers to control the product that is available for their device.
Some of the quotes in this article may take things a little bit beyond what can be reasonably supposed, but I think they have a point. I am opposed to censorship as a rule, but sometimes this stand makes me a little uncomfortable, especially in regards to violence, and a healthy debate should be encouraged.
ssuk @ Jun 24th 2007 4:58AM
OH SHIT, BAD PRESS. NINTENDO DONT LOOSE YOUR 'KIDDIE' PERSONA AND LET THEM PUT THIS BAD, BAD GAME ON YOUR CONSOLE WHICH COULD POTENTIONALLY HELP SELL HUNDREDS MORE CONSOLES BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING YOU'RE NOT A COMPANY WHO'S INTERESTED ONLY IN KID GAMES AND GRAMPA GAMES!!
Seriously, an AO game on the Wii would help it's general perception by the general public, who still see Nintendo as a company for kids.
Sony though, what the fuck are they thinking banning the game? HELLO? AO, look at all the attention GTA:SA got for it's AO rating. Or are you just that stupid, Sony?
Jake @ Jun 24th 2007 11:04AM
Statistics show that being abused, neglected, and witnessing abuse as a child cause you to have problems later. If video games are bad, I submit that they are bad when used as a substitute for parenting.
Many parents let TV and video games raise their kids. Those kids can end up messed up. But the violence itself in a game doesn't matter. The media is always just speculating. It would be equally valid to say games give people an outlet for their violent and negative energy.
Some people just have to be scared of something. I'm only scared of scared people, like parents who would feel better if games were banned because a talking head told them they are bad.
Tuna @ Jun 24th 2007 3:04PM
I really agree with the last line in this piece. Violent video games give people an outlet for their rage and anger. Also where are the parents? It seems parents these days are taking a back seat to.....well....parenting. Its getting ridiculous. If parents actually took an interest in what their children are playing/watching we probably wouldn't even be having these discussions.
MarquisDesMoines @ Jun 24th 2007 7:06PM
They make it seem as if moving your arm a little bit is going to totally change your perspective of whats happening. I'm sorry, but I can clearly identify that I'm actually looking at my television waving my arm around in my living room.
I'll never buy any of this "murder simulator" crap until they develop a game where just playing it causes you to go into hiding for months and causes you be traumatized for the rest of your life. I've played various forms of "Kill each other" games with my friends in real life when we were kids (and if you were a healthy active boy you probably did too). The bizzare stuff that came from our over active imaginations would make Rockstar blush. Yet none of us have ever purposefully physically harmed another person in our lives.
Unless there is something REALLY wrong with them, most people can tell the difference between imagination and reality.
Obermeister @ Jun 25th 2007 9:53AM
So, if simulating kiling people in a game is going to potentially affect your chances to have normal relationships with people, I have to wonder why these clowns don't take a loud stand against joining any kind of military, where you get trained to kill people for REAL. I mean, if wagging your nunchuck around your living room is going to screw you up, then what about learning how to gut people with bayonets? Or for that matter, going off to war and doing it for real. Not to say that going off to war DOESN'T screw a lot of people up, I think it's pretty well established that it does. But I have to wonder at our priorities... Makes me more that a little suspicious that these experts are just attention whoring and cashing in on people's irrational fears. Or at least potentially irrational. Maybe the people who want to ban this game would be horrified to learn their sons & daughters want to join the military someday...And would cousel anyone else against joining as well, to prevent damage to their mental health. Somehow, I doubt it though.
Shagittarius @ Jun 25th 2007 11:11AM
Don't kid yourself, the people that think that violence in media causes violence in real life are the same people that are afraid of gay people cause they think they might turn them gay.
warioswoods @ Jun 25th 2007 2:43PM
As I've said before, Nintendo should drop this game entirely, they have no reason to want it on their console and so many PR reasons to avoid it. Their new, very successful family, everyone-can-play image is far more important than courting a few 18-year old boys who actually think this game is worthwhile, or worse, those (some of which may have graced this site) that are idiotic enough to hail it as art.