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Posted: Jun 27th 2007 4:46PM jsgrill said

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I think this illustrates the issue of MS replacing bad units with refurbed units that are also likely to go bad. Especially since they just now recently started to make changes to the insides.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 4:33PM (Unverified) said

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11? oh wow

no thats user error.....

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 4:52PM MightyTACO said

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Well considering I am still waiting for a phone call from their corporate office regarding getting a new console since this is my third time sending in my console for repair ... I'd say their level of service is crap as well.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 7:13AM Gemini Ace said

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Granted 11 systems is a high number, but doesn't it point more to Justin doing something wrong instead of M$? I mean, couldn't this be unnaturally inflated due to him putting it in an enclosed space or something? And I don't mean by accident. Maybe he wanted them all to fail just so he could say "I've had 11 360's replaced".

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 5:16PM Phara0h said

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I'm going to send my for repair to for read errors. Don't have the ring. But have seen it on my console but after a reboot it whent away

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 6:04PM (Unverified) said

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This scares me, I just sent my 360 in yesterday for the first time. It's a launch console and lasted me from Nov '05 to June '07

Posted: Jun 29th 2007 9:34PM puddyman said

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It comes to head every day on the xbox.com forums. M$ just chooses to ignore it. The DRM issue also comes to a head every day because of all the refurbs that are being sent as replacements. It a shame really, because the great games are the only thing keeping people loyal. I don't know how long that will last though.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 6:02PM (Unverified) said

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Seriously, 11!?! I've got to wonder what kind of setup this guy has, setting the system on his carpet? in a closed cabinet with no ventilation? I’ve got 2, one with a build date in Dec of release year 2005 that I bought in Jan 2006; which I have used everyday even with the HD-DVD drive and 1 I just bought for my other TV to play when my wife watches movies. I can see one maybe two but this guy might want to check his setup.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 6:15PM (Unverified) said

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I think I agree with number 4 on this one. I have to wonder where people are placing their 360's when they have repeating issues. i stil have my first, got it at midnight on the first day at walmart. I have never seen a blip or start of any error. No red ring, no disc read errors. Nothing. Mines even in a big wooden cabinet. However, I do play with the cabient doors open, maybe that is cheating?

All I'm saying is the environment has to come into to play when it comes to the problems resulting from too much heat. I belive him about the 11 replacements, but I think some blame must ride on him. The odds of him randomly getting 11 bad 360's and so many people reporting never seeing a problem...(such as all my friends, none have ever had to replace)...he must be playing in hell or something.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 6:34PM John Mat Z said

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Some people just can't be pleased. There are conditions that cause people to send back a console that I would consider a hiccup. What is experience ruining Audio/Video. A corrupted file on download? Even so.

I have had to send my console in once. I received it back. I use it more than before it went to service and it continues to work great. Of course I may be posting I ordered a coffin tommorow. :)

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 6:37PM (Unverified) said

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Cases like this point out the fact that while most Xbox 360s seem to be okay, there has to be something fundamentally wrong with the whole refurbishment process. IE, consoles that are defective aren't (or at least, weren't before new heatsinks were installed) were being sent out still defective.

Even if you assumed something like a 25% failure rate over two years, the probability of this guy having 11 failures is 0.0000002384185791015625, if I'm correct. 1 out of 4,194,304.

In other words, the repair center is sending out still-screwed-up consoles.

Sincerely,
Captain Obvious

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 9:28AM worldpattern said

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I called Xbox support 3 weeks ago tomorrow and I finally got my cardboard coffin 3 days ago. Shipped it off yesterday and got the confirmation call from Xbox support today that it should arrive at the repair center on Friday.

I was bumped up to some higher level support after the first week and a half because they had lost my case in their system. They say at the end of all this, I'll be given a free item (wireless controller, game, vid cam, etc.) to make up for their delays.

Has anyone else been offered any freebies as a result of a prolonged repair turnaround time?

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 5:47PM Kamal said

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Don't get me wrong Mr. Lowe, but 11 Xboxes?! Either you are very unlucky or there is something in the enviroment in which the console resides that is causing it to fail.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 7:41PM KungfuSheep said

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I can believe it, i'm onto my 6th console as of this weekend. It's kept in a ventilated area, with a block underneath it as it lays horizontally, so the air can get beneath it too. I've had rings of death, constant freezing & the latest was a disk tray error - wouldn't acknowledge there was a disk (any disk) in it. Its got to the point where i just expect them to break. I think the failure rate is much higher than microsoft claim it to be.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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It really shouldn't matter where you sit it. That's the problem.

I can sit my xbox on top of my tv and I won't have one problem. The thing is built like a rock.

I had two 360's down on me and when they sent them back I got rid of them.

I'm sitting on the side for now. They have better fix these problems or they could let the PS3 right back in the game this Christmas. They start selling the PS3 for the
price of an Elite and MS will be in trouble.

PS3 no problems and a Blue ray for the same price. It would make my decison easier.

MS needs to improve on this before the PS3 drops there price. This is ridiculous.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 7:56PM Kruegmeister said

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The Big Problem is that the New 360s have the same problem.
I know someone who bought one about 4 months ago, brand new, not refurbished. They had to send theirs in after 3 months of owning it.
How can the New ones still have the same flaw?

I have been fortunate... My 360 I got at launch and is still going strong, Loud, but strong.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 8:06PM Eryu said

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LATEST NEWS: MS now is advising 360 users to NOT use a surge protector, as they say it causes surge protector feedback which can cause drive failure and overheating. Anyone sles heard this?? I got this from the rep while tracking my 2nd repair yesterday.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 9:56PM (Unverified) said

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not to use a surge protector ??

seriously the 360 is so freaking fragile i hate this !!

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 9:20AM Fishface45 said

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I've replaced 4 systems since October of last year... This makes me very happy!

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 8:34PM Premo said

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Lately, ive been getting the ring of death.
Ive had to restart my 360 3 or 4 times before it actually works normally.
I got this console in the month after launch, and that was only after returning another one in since it didn't work due to freezing problems.
My current 360 still works (to a degree), so im going to see how long it lasts before it stops working completely.
Its definitely an issue that Microsoft is going to have to acknowledge with their full attention because im sure most people wouldn't have the patience to deal out more cash for an error on the fault of the manufacturer

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 8:42PM (Unverified) said

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Yesterday I passed my 1 1/2 year mark and my 360 is running happy.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 9:07PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, get this: I had the red ring of death and sent it in. Guess what I get back - another console in working condition, but with the base on the back side all busted up and the seam where the two halves of the casing meet split apart. Thanks for the great replacement MS...

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 9:12PM (Unverified) said

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@11 -> Yep, when I called support that was one of the things they asked me about. They said it could be a cause.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 10:18PM (Unverified) said

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Last time I called in, they gave me the surge protector line also...according to the rep, the 360's brick has a surge protector built into it. Yeah, whatever. And it really is like #1 and #7 mentioned...I'd be willing to bet that the initial failure rate is relatively small (not the old 3% number, but probably under 10%). But the return rate on refurbs is significantly higher, I'm sure. I've been through two, and know people who have been through 6-8...the refurb cycle is just hell.

Posted: Jun 27th 2007 10:57PM cchance said

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Me and 2 of my buddys bought a total of 3 xbox360's within the first month of launch... NO PROBLEMS SINCE DAY 1, ok 1 i got a red ring, but guess what? The AV cable was half out... plugged it in and all better

What the hell are these people doing to mess their 360's up lol I mean 3/3 all working that i know... actually more than that if i count people i know personally on line... in that case its probably more like 15/15 that havent ever had to return theirs...

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 12:53AM (Unverified) said

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IMPORTANT: Xbox 360 owners should read this New Extended Warranty information!

IMPORTANT: Microsoft now has a NEW Insurance Policy Extended Warranty in place for the Xbox 360. It is the best one offered for ANY videogame system. Read below for more information I read in an article and confirmed:

The Xbox 360 starts out with a very nice free one-year warranty where Microsoft pays for any and all expenses if any sort of technical defect occurs within the first year. As far as the new insurance policy from Microsoft goes, it is actually quite a good one. Insurance that extends warranties is something that is very important for all types of electronics and videogame systems. It is a very good idea to buy insurance on any and all forms of electronics, including videogame systems.

The insurance policy Microsoft now offers really is a nice one that benefits the consumers more than anyone else. It is not the sort of overpriced insurance policy that overcharges consumers, and it is not something Microsoft is going to make money on.

Xbox 360 now starts out with an excellent free one-year warranty where Microsoft pays for any and all expenses if any sort of technical defect occurs within the first year. Microsoft now has a policy in place where you can buy an extra year of insurance that fully covers all costs for only $24.95. You can buy two years for $49.90, but there isn't any need to buy two years all at once. Microsoft makes it clear that as long as your system is covered by any type of warranty or insurance you can keep on extending your insurance. Theoretically, you could cover your system for over a decade or longer if you wanted to.

I agree with an article I read that said it is best to keep buying a nicely priced $24.95 year of insurance each time the policy is about to expire. That way you could be insured as long as you own your system no matter how long you want to keep on insuring it. Many places that sell insurance on videogame systems have insurance policies that run out and expire after 3 years, and then leave you hanging. This extended warranty now offered by Microsoft is not like that; it does not just expire after several years, and then leave you hanging when the system is older and the consumer is most vulnerable to time-related defects.

I think this inexpensive plan offered by Microsoft is nicely designed to benefit the consumer, because it puts you in a position where you do not need to buy insurance at all when you first get your system; it lets you spend your money on games. After you buy your system, you just need to make sure to extend your warranty for the cost of $24.95 before the free one-year warranty on your Xbox 360 runs out.

This new insurance plan really is by far the best extended warranty insurance plan that any of the videogame manufacturers offer.

You can talk all day about how it would be better if we did not need to ever use a warranty or an insurance plan. But, this is the real world, and anyone who does not buy an extended warranty insurance policy on a $400 Xbox 360 or a $600 Playstation 3 is a fool. This new extended warranty insurance policy of Microsoft is FAR better than the one offered by Sony for the Playstation 3, and it is FAR better than the ones offered by most retailers.

If you want to become part of this new Extended Warranty Insurance Policy, just call the standard number of 1-800-4MY-XBOX and tell the person on the phone. It will only take a few minutes, and then you have absolutely no risk of owning a system without a warranty.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 1:17AM (Unverified) said

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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the majority of these claims about defective Xbox 360 systems are lies made up by "fanboys" who grew up playing the PS1 and PS2, and they don't like it that the PS3 has already lost the sales war because of a lack of games, a lack of features, and being so overpriced and underperforming.

Just in case you want some excellent proof that the majority of Posts are made by a handful of idiots that may or may not be paid by Sony to try and spread bad words about the competition.

Just look at how many NEW profiles were created with this information.

On one website that covers multi-platforms, I counted 14 new Profiles that were created within hours of each other on the same day this information was released. All of the comments from those people said rediculous things that were absolutely false!

Many of the stupid people creating the profiles didn't even bother to change their Age or Home state. I lost count of the number of Profiles created by a guy who was 27 from Alabama!

No doubt about it, most of these complaints on the Internet are lies. Those people don't have Model numbers of defective units to talk about, and they are telling bold-faced lies.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 3:35AM (Unverified) said

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I'm going to be on my 4th console... I just recently got the 3 red rings. :( But I did notice if the system is HOT. It works better.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 3:42AM (Unverified) said

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Ok guys listen let's take some time to listen to our fellows 360 owners and xbox live members. I don't why someone would waste thier time spreading lies about a video game console it make no sense. I do beleive that the 360 has a failure rate but it is within an acceptable rate and the problems people are experiecing is due to neglience. Now hold on beofore you jump to conclusions I can say this becuase it was partially my fault that my 360 was overheating and would on work for like 20 or 30 min before shutting off. So I call MS customer support they just closed down and since I didn't have the red rings I didn't send it in but I did check out some suggestions on the internet and changed my setup by placing my power brick over and open box and then putting my 360 sideways on 4 medium sized blocks and I haven't had a problem since. Unfortanetly the 360 had vents on both the sides and the bottom and mine overheated in both the vertical and horizontal postions. Unfortanetly I don't live in a big house or have hardwood flooring, with the exception of a few rooms my house is primarily carpet. Now I'll admit I have placed all my consoles flat, never standing up my xbox,gc,wii,ps,ps 2 and jeez even super nes. But you cannot place the 360 on it's side or on it's bottom if it's on carpet as mine was then it will probably overheat. I don't have a thick carpet or 10 cm high carpet it's less then a few mm high, sorry to go metric it's about maybe 2/16 of an inch and it still overheated. My 360 was in perfect working order but was malfunctioning due to MY neglience. To think I was gonna have my 360 torn apart and given some half ass refurb. The 360 just cannot be placed on carpet. I know 360's break down cause my friend has his box for about 2 months then it broke down, he picked up a second one and that lasted 3 months and now he waiting for the coffin. I had mine for almost a year(1 year next month yeah!) and both his brand new 360's crapped out and he has hardwood flooring. So if your 360 is overheating check your setup and try the method I mentioned( I can't be held resposible for anything that happens) and it could fix your problems but only for overheating. So show some love to your fellow 360 owners and x box live members and show some support and not treat them like the plague by refusing to accpet the fact the yours, mine and everybody on this site, favourite console does in fact breakdown to hardware failure and consumer neglience.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 4:28AM (Unverified) said

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@19

First of let me clear the air. I'm a person that does not own a Xbox360...yet. I've been gaming now for over 25 years. I own the Atari 2600, Sega Master System, NES x 2, Sega Genesis/CD/32x, Sega Saturn, Dreamcast (all time favorite)Turbo Graphix 16/CD, 3DO, Super NES, Nintendo 64, PS1, PS2 (least favorite) and PS3. And Guess what? ...all of them still work! If you would have told me to buy an extended warranty for any of those systems I would have laughed at you.

Now I'm at a serious crossroad here. I'm dieing to purchase an Xbox 360 because of the games available for the system. PS3 has the potential for becoming my next all time favorite gaming system BUT no damn games for it.

Back to the topic at hand... How can any company justify selling me a $500 system (elite or nothing I need HDMI for my XBR3 TV) and turn around and recommend I purchase a $25 per year coverage. I have 4 consoles about to reach 20 years old. So I'm going to need to pay $500 to just make it to 20 years whenever I want some retro gaming? Man...Fuck that!

I hope in the near future Microsoft gets their act together with this system because the games are freakin awesome.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 4:30AM (Unverified) said

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...Forgot I own the Wii as well. Goes to show how much I like that system. Yawn...

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 9:08AM (Unverified) said

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@Commander Shepard

You can go to the official Xbox forums any time of day or night and see the same kind of complaint rate with verified Xbox owners posting (with Live gamer profiles) about their newly failed consoles. I am one of them, so just be glad you're not yet, and leave it at that.

You can't seriously believe PS fanboys alone posting about bogus failures could entirely account for this level of reported failures. Yes, there could be *some* (you have no proof, anyway), but not at rates high enough to gain this kind of national attention. No way.

Only enthusiasts like us read forums like those anyway, so I see a Sony-instigated public smear campaign being ineffective if that was truly their tactic. And there is more and more anecdotal evidence just like this in the gaming press itself to support the case that there IS a problem with this system. Even more mainstream outlets like Motley Fool have now started reporting on it.

Besides, if you really spent THAT much time verifying all those posters' forum profiles, then what that says about you is not good (I don't see why you even care, actually). I suggest you get a life ... or a girl ... whichever comes first.

You can keep doubting that there really is a problem all you want, but it doesn't make you any less WRONG. We all probably started out on your side of the opinion column. But there are too many of us who now know better ... unfortunately through experience.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 9:36AM (Unverified) said

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Here in the Oklahoma City area yesterday I had a friend loose his 360 to the red ring, just informing in case anyone is keeping score.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 10:10AM Bitter Kevin said

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I have had my launch system (11/05) hooked up to a surge protector, standing vertically, in a smoky somewhat cramped attic room for over a year now, and it has never overheated and runs just fine.

Key things I do to help extend the life of ANY console/computer/etc: have at least some ventilation for smoke, like a cracked window; and NEVER place anything directly on a carpet. Put it on a book or magazine if you have to. Carpets are dusty and the fans will suck that s--t right into your machine. Also, smoke really F's up a computer too; it creates a brown tar-filled dust. A friend who smokes heavily has already lost one 360 and his 2nd is dying too, so I know that's a factor (he also went thru 3 regular Xboxes). We'll see how his PS3 handles the smog.

Keep these in mind and maybe your 360 experience will be as happy as mine (knock on wood).

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 10:40AM (Unverified) said

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what has this guy been doing to break 11 consoles? i have an early console. and a friend of mine still has his RELEASE console.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 10:41AM Player1 said

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I had a friend who was told not to use a surge protector when he got the RROD (he's on his second, I'm on my third). What's funny is the manual says it's fine. The manual also says the power supplies have three-prong plugs (which the recent 360s don't). What I don't understand is why is it fine to put any other product in the world on a surge protector and not a 360? And why how would you reset the power brick if there were a surge? Why would they tell you this now and not in the manual if it's built in?

And stop saying people are abusing their consoles. If it was a ventilation problem, don't you think the malfuction would have been identical every time for the 11 consoles? And why do no other consoles have this problem?

The failure rates that MicroSoft quotes are correct...if you add a zero to the end of them. Come on, how many people could be having multiple consoles fail at a 3-5% failure rate?

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 10:50AM (Unverified) said

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I'm a electronics tech in a top biometric device firm. My job is figuring out why stuff doesn't work in prototype and full production devices. Here's the deal. The x-clamps are to blame for the majority of the 3rlod issues. I'm 100% convinced of this.
My 360 got the 3RLOD and rather than send it in, (heard from a reliable source that all MS does is clean heatsinks and reapply the paste-which to me alleviates the problem,much like the extra 3rd heatsink that are showing up now, but it doesn't FIX the problem), I choose to fix it myself. Just by replacing the x-clamps with nuts & bolts from a hardware store. And guess what? Problem fixed.
IT'S AN INHERENT DESIGN FLAW. All the evidence points to this. The glued down sides on the chips for the elite, the extra heat sink on "Fixed" 360s. The fact that practically all desktop mother boards have center bosses to keep the MB from warping too much and causing this issue in PCs. PCs have x-clamp designs that work fine, But the 360 is missing is that center boss and only is supported from the ends of the device.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 10:53AM Player1 said

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Commander Shepard,

Haha. All you have to do is have your own RROD before you realize the truth. I'm on my third, so I have no doubt of the truth of all these failures. Is the recording of the 11 console failures not enough for you. How about the other multiple failures that MicroSoft has fessed up on (there was some guy that had 6 die that they personally contacted). There are plenty of anti-Sony people out there, but there aren't failure reports of the PS3. What's up with that?

And what about you? How do we know you aren't a paid MicroSoft employee?

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 12:05PM (Unverified) said

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I call bullshit. I'm sick and tired of hearing this shit. This guy had to have done something, that was not the fault of Microsoft.

I mean seriously, I know the Xbox 360 has it's problems, but I know that this isn't possible. This guy is either breaking his console repeatedly, or is buying broken ones from other people who didn't take care of it.

I have a launch console that I have had very minimal problems with, and it is still going strong. The only problem I have had is with the 3 red lights... Reboot, and its fine, and haven't had that problem since (11 months ago). I then had a problem with the video not coming through, but with no red lights, and also had sound. Flipped the TV-HDTV switch a few times, and it worked again. Imagine that.

You people who are having problems, instead of seeing the lights and immediately calling 1-800-4MY-XBOX, try trouble shooting, or just THINKING.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 12:24PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, not to mention the excellent online service, the downloadable content, the extensive downloadable library, and the connectivity between that and basically everything else in the house.

Take care of it, and it will work fine.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 12:27PM Player1 said

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Yeah, this guy is totally doing something, Zeus. Because everyone loves being without their console for a month and getting charged for their live service the whole time. He must totally be doing it on purpose. I mean talking to support is so fun, I just do it for shits and giggles sometimes. I can see why he'd do it 11 times.

Maybe you should start thinking about the fact that you've just been lucky and should be happy about that. Sorry man, but unless it's happened to you, and you know that you've done nothing to cause it, you aren't going to understand it. Don't worry, it will happen to you soon enough. Especially if you've already red ringed.

Do you honestly think that someone would not take a minute to try simple troubleshooting before sending off their console for a month? I'm on my third (all brand new consoles thanks to a replacement plan). The second died after 4 months. I have no problems with other consoles. All well taken care of and ventilated. In both cases, first I got frequent freezing, then the red ring. I could get it to come back up a few times, but eventually it would not.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 12:37PM Player1 said

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And Zeus, don't take these failure reports so personally. No one is saying the 360 sucks, just the failure rate. Have you not noticed that despite the 11 failures, the guy still likes the 360? I do too. It's just got an issue. Don't get pissed at people for complaining about something that's clearly broken.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 12:47PM Player1 said

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Sorry I keep posting on here, but I'm getting sick of naysayers. There are people who are all, "my friend has a launch unit and it's fine". What is that supposed to prove. The perceived failure rate is 30%. Which means you have more than a two out of three chance of getting a good one. So lots of people will have ones that work fine, as a matter of fact the majority. But some people get that one out of three that doesn't work. When they exchange it, they again have a one in three chance of getting another bad one. It's not that hard to believe that several people are getting multiple failures, and many are having no troubles at all. You face the same odds every time you get a new one.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 2:03PM refinedsugar said

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Here we are at X3F - 360 fanboy central - and we can still read a balanced viewpoint on the 360 hardware failure situation that takes both sides of the coin into play - free from heaping bias. A nice parity and counterpoint to Joystiq's Alexander Sliwinski cloned strictly doom 'n gloom piece. Well done Richard.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 2:18PM refinedsugar said

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... lol, so he deletes my comment too rather than reply to it. Weak Joystiq's Alexander Sliwinski ... just weak.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 3:10PM (Unverified) said

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The Xbox 360 does NOT have a 30% failure rate. The reason the number 30% came into play was because of one particular store manager in Australia...who wished to remain anonymous.

If a person now buys an Xbox 360, their chance of receiving a defective one is actually less than one percent.

Standard defect rates are between 3-5%.

The reason why the defect rate appears to be 30% in certain parts of the country is because of the models produced in 2005, where the defect rate was particularly high, because one of the three factories producing Xbox 360 did so with many errors. But Microsoft recently completely solved that problem by CLOSING that factory.

There has never been a better time to buy an Xbox 360 game system than now. The new Extended Warranty Insurance Policy that everyone is talking about really is awesome! It is BY FAR the BEST warranty insurancy policy available for any game system or electronic device available.

About 4.5 years ago, I bought a Sony Grand Wega XBR TV set, and I bought the 4 year insurance policy on it. Well, just a few months after that $400 insurance policy expired, my TV broke! I was LEFT-HANGING, just like that one guy wrote about, and I had to pay for all of the Sony TV set insurance costs, even though I had bought a $400 insurance plan! Insurance plans like that are a rip off that cost a LOT of money at the beginning, and run out after only several years of time.

The new Extended Warranty insurance plan on the Xbox 360 will NEVER expire! As long as you are willing to pay only $24.95 each year, you can keep the thing covered by an extended warranty!

And it really is super cool the way you don't have to pay anything at all when you buy your Xbox 360. You really can spend you money where you want to most--GAMES! You have one-year to decide if you want to get the $24.95 extended warranty. That means all you need to do is save $2 worth of pop cans every month, and you can afford this awesome new Extended Warranty from Microsoft!

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 3:18PM Sanclus said

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Wow, it really is amazing how some people seem so insistent on there not being a major problem with the design of the 360. I make my living as a system engineer\analyst and I build PCs for fun and profit. Trouble-shooting electronic equipment of all kinds is my forte and I am very good at it. The only thing that stopped me from opening up my non-working (no video output) 360 is the fact that I cannot order replacement components such as the GPU or CPUs should those be faulty. While I tend to agree with the theory that many of the failures are related to poorly designed and applied clamps, heatsinks and thermal paste, I have not personally verified this because Microsoft will refuse to repair any 360 that has been opened outside of an official repair center. My 360 has stood on it's own stand since launch, it has plenty of ventilation and it is plugged directly into an outlet.
I have three different video cables and I reset my display settings to default numerous times and tested my 360 on 3 different TVs and two PC monitors. I am extremely careful with all electronic equipment and I have dust covers that I modified to fit over both the console and the power supply when not in use. I work 8-14 hours a day and while I love games and playing on Xbox live, I have probably used my launch console less than most owners due to lack of time. As I trouble-shoot computers, network systems and other electronic computing devices for a living, I am 100% positive that nothing I have done to and with my 360 contributed to its failure.
Despite this, I love what Microsoft has done with the 360 in regards to its software and its live service. I can only hope that Microsoft engineers will be taking a serious look at the system design to insure that future releases of the system are more durable than the previous ones. I did not purchase an extended warranty because I did not think that I would experience any hardware failure. I do not own a single electronic device that has broken down unless it was defective at the time of purchase and I caught it then. I have operated the system within the manufacturers specifications at all times and I am both surprised and displeased at the hardware failure. I make my living through Microsoft products and I have no desire to discredit them in any way.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 3:50PM Player1 said

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Turian_Tim,

Now you obviously work for MicroSoft. Nobody gets that excited about having to pay for a product they bought to keep working like it should, especially to the people who sold you the faulty product. Get a Best Buy plan. It last two years, so it costs less, and you can swap it out immediately in the store for a brand new one, not a refurb.

So how is that with a 1% failure rate that you claim, I am on my third, two of my friends are on their second, and this guy is on his 12th?

By the way, you make it obvious when you copy and paste the same comment into very 360 failure rate thread.

Posted: Jun 28th 2007 5:40PM (Unverified) said

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are we all going to sit here and bicker back and forth whether a console has issues or not? you can buy a PC or a damn care and hav a LOT of issues, or not, the problem with the 360's not being produced correctly, is strictly because microsoft simply doesn't see it as a widespread problem, most customers that have these issues are still loyal customers, enjoy their consoles, and will continue to support microsoft, as will those without issues.

just because you feel as though your "launch console" is perfectly fine, and has had NO issues, doesn't mean that everyone else is a bogus lier and works and/or is payed by Sony. it just means they've had issues.

Yes, 11 consoles is a DRASTIC number, but even if you consider those issues "hiccups" it doesn't change the undeniable fact that that console WAS/IS defective, you don't go buy a car, and say "well it starts every now and then, and other times the alarm just goes off then dies, oh well" you turn around, go use your warranty and get your damn car fixed because it's money you put into it. you can be pleased with a console that doesn't give you what you paid for. or you can be like many other people that HAVE had issues and want a console thats not going to break down on you when you're in the middle of Halo3 or whatever your poison is, and be stuckwithout it thinking "OMG WHAT HAPPENS I WANT TO PLAY" and have to wait a month to get it returned.

Stop thinking that every complaint EVER written is by Sony Fanboy's. i personally don't like Sony, i'm a Microsoft Fanboy, and i always will be.

Posted: Jun 29th 2007 10:32AM (Unverified) said

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Listen up, cats and kittens: There is a problem with the 360. Probably not as much as Sony fanboys would have you believe, but probably more than Ms is willing to admit. Part of the issue, I think, stems from Microsoft's repair and replacement policies. It seems to me that anybody with a 360 that's never been sent in for repair is golden. Once you send it in, though, that's when the trouble starts- very few people I know have gotten their replacement console back and been fine with it. My boyfriend? Launch day console, not a single problem since November 2005. My roommate? Second console's having some overheating issues, though she hadn't gotten the Ring on that one yet. And that's with an Intercooler installed because her first console RROD'd and that's what the customer service guy suggested for prevention. Me? I've already gone through two, my third should be coming shortly. My first RROD'd after nine months, and my second had a disc drive problem- it kind of eats discs, making a horrible KRRRRGT noise and leaving huge circular gouges occasionally during normal operation (i.e. while loading a GHII song). Also, the drive usually doesn't open unless I tap the silver part after hitting the eject button.

I think the failure rate for NEW consoles might actually be 3-5%; the problem is, MS must keep returned consoles in a back room labeled "refurbs". They send those refurbished consoles back out to people as replacements for their failed consoles. Those replacements break, probably because they weren't repaired or were given a quick fix instead of a real solution, and the customer has to do the Coffin Dance all over again.

If somebody did a comparison on failure rates for store-bought consoles vs. MS claim replacements, I'm sure you'd see a staggering difference.
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