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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:12PM (Unverified) said

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So... um... what happens to all those people who bought their retail outlet's extended warranty?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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To 1:

Suckers!
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:18PM (Unverified) said

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#1... they got suckered and gave that store free money!
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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:14PM (Unverified) said

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Guess I'll be getting a refund pretty soon.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:16PM (Unverified) said

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Quite the straight shooter he is. They want to solve the problem, but they also need to be concerned with their bottom line, like any business would need to be. I'm happy that they're taking a proactive approach to solving this problem.

Oh, and that chair looks comfy.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:18PM psyXcho said

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screw the retail warranty, I bought one from MS that they "extended" to next year about 3 months ago. I'm on my 4th 360! Does this jump me to 5 years?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:18PM (Unverified) said

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when i was at best buy they begged me to buy the $80 service plan for the Elite saying how they "all overheat...not saying it will..." stupid best buy employees! this is the same guy who 5 minutes earlier was trying to tell a customer that Red Steel was a great game cuz they sold so many copies at the Wii launch. I was quick to tell that guy to grab Paper Mario instead.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:18PM Ice Cold said

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Anyone Notice how the 360 was a Decepticon in the Transformers Movie!


So its gonna cost them 1.15 Billion

that sure is ALOT cheaper than the Madatory Federal Recall they are facing


thats what the BBB and my State Senator tell me since I sent them 4 angry letter each about the 360 failure rate



PS3= Autobot
Wii= Autobot in the Transformer Sequl which has already been shot like LOTR was they shot all 3 at the same time and Kill Bill

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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:19PM (Unverified) said

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J Allard.. supreme/lead 360 engineer, is probably sh!tting his pants right now.. how would you feel if you were responsible for losing.. one billiiiiiiiion dollars!

They may show him the door a la Katarugi..
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:20PM (Unverified) said

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Good to know they have been addressing the issue for quite sometime. But, why don't they want to release the failure numbers? Was the problem that bad?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:22PM Ice Cold said

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Vocal Minority my ass you sons of bitches at Microsoft calling us a small Vocal Minority

Major Nelson you have NO credibility left what so ever your the 360's Ronald McDonald



33+% failure rate Nominated as WORST consumer Electronics product ever.

After 3 years its a 100% failure rate


failure rate my N64 SNES and Dreamcast all still work perfectly.

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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:28PM (Unverified) said

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i'll miss the crazy theories of how "Micro$oft makes money on repairz!!!!!".





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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:31PM (Unverified) said

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so does this mean i get a 3yr warranty if i buy a brand new x360 today?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 10:07PM (Unverified) said

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Is the warranty from date of purchase or date of repair.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:35PM (Unverified) said

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"After 3 years its a 100% failure rate"

I know, from reading what you wrote, that you are not the most intelligent person who ever lived. I'd ask you to reconsider this statement, however, since *the console hasn't existed for 3 years yet!*
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:38PM (Unverified) said

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Ice Cold: It's called business. Do you think they should of came out and said "our product stinks"??

This seems very admirable of MS and they are taking a financial hit because of it. His answers seem very candid and I believe it does take some time to actually find a fix, figure out how to implement it effectively and then weed out the bad units from the good ones. I do not for a minute think there is a %100 defect rate that's insane and consider I'm still running my launch console just fine I am proof. I run the thing for hours sometimes leaving it running over night.. But even if it goes bad I know I am covered and it will be free plus they have a fix that will remedy the problem.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:39PM (Unverified) said

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Of the two other 360 owners I know, two of them have experienced the red ring--one multiple times. I imagine the failure rates are excessive. Still, I don't understand why there's so much anger considering they've extended the warranty. Considering some of the responses, you'd think they'd just reduced the warranty period.

#12 Yes--but the third year only covers the red ring defect.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:43PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know a single person that has had a failure. 120 people on my friends list and not one has had an issue. These are people from all over the place and almost all of them had their console on release date. I am not sure what the failure rate is but I am fairly convinced that it is nowhere close to 33%.

I think the failure rate is likely unacceptably high, but how much of that is user created failure I do not know. Having worked for a major computer manufacturer i know that the reported failure rate and actual failure rate is vastly different. I am pretty sure that under poor ventilation the system will display this error even though there is no 'flaw'. this could be a design flaw iguess because they did not anticipate where these units were going to be housed and how they were going to be used. A warranty extension of this kind is unheard of in the industry, that shows a lot of commitment on MS's side.

What is the deal with the out of box failure rate of the PS3 by the way. I had to go back to the store 3 times to get one that worked. My friend on Canada had to take 5 trips.

I think both MS adn Sony rushed their product to the market way too much.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:47PM Vordus said

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@1 "So... um... what happens to all those people who bought their retail outlet's extended warranty?"

They're covered for accidental damage, which Microsoft's warranty probably doesn't sort.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:49PM mophie said

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Brilliant - the same trolls from Engadget have posted the exact same thing over here on joystiq.

Hey losers! STFU, GTFO!
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:51PM Ice Cold said

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This just in Sales of EB Games Warranty and Best Buy warranties on the 360 decline sharply


Employees at Gamestop EB Games and Best Buy caught on Tape lying to customers about Microsoft's 360 Warranty
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:52PM (Unverified) said

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Knowingly selling defective hardware and simply not charging to fix it for 3 years is NOT doing their customers right.

Right up the ass, maybe.

MS screwed the pooch on this one and have simply found the lowest cost, bare-bones way to address. I'm still not even considering touching an Xbox 360 until the PROBLEMS DON'T EXIST.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:05PM squeevi said

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@ Ice Cold:
33% over a three year period is still only 33%
You can't add percentages together like that. Another product of the American public school system.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:54PM (Unverified) said

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Geez Joystiq,

Careful, your nose might get alittle dirty if you get to close to Tatoo.

"Moore said that they've put "fixes in place" to address them. He pointed out that Joystiq was a great conduit to that very community and extended (what sounded to us like) a sincere apology. They're fixing these systems because the level has been unacceptable of late ... and no, Microsoft has "no intention" and sees "no value" in sharing what percentage of failure there is."

A sincere apology? No, damage control pure and simple. No value in the failure rate %...ya right, if he did that would be almost certain death for MS.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 6:57PM (Unverified) said

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like clockwork
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:00PM (Unverified) said

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What happens to the companies that sold extended warranties and the customers that purchased them? These 3rd party warranties only kick in after the original manufacturer warranty ends. Now that warranty has been extended twice.

Many policies have kicked in and repairs have been made on them by now. Will Microsoft settle with these warranty companies?

If a customer purchased a 2 year warranty at launch: Are they covered till 2010 or do they end up losing out and only have MS coverage till 2008?

How many customers bought an extended warranty for their Xbox 360 but, would not have if there had not been so much RRoD uncertainty?

What will happen to customers and warranty companies that sent of Xbox 360s to 3rd party companies for repair?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:09PM (Unverified) said

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The games media hates this because it takes away the #1 news item they reported on for the last one and a half years, giving them ad revenue on article clicks.

The fanboys hate this because this makes the 360 the clear and obvious winner this gen.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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Sony can admit they need to get games out there, didn't have the best launch line up, need to add rumble, get PSN up to par with XBL, WarHawk's singleplayer wasn't good enough to release, and a whole ton of other shit, and that's all "OK".

MS admits their problem, fixes it for the future and the past, and it's a scam somehow. each and every one of you are hypocrites of the first order.

the worst thing that could happen for the PS3 is MS fixing this issue, and now that they're addressing it you're all bugging the hell out. like roaches.

it's like, OH NO, what will i have to talk about now?




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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:25PM (Unverified) said

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@CJ
How in the hell do you get 120 friends on your list?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:27PM (Unverified) said

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hmmm..3 years now? thats a bit of a relief. my current 360 is approaching the 8 month old mark and as much as i've not had any problems with THIS one ( first one was dead out the box) i sure as heck am terrified to play it for long periods of time *just in case.*
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:28PM Tendoboy said

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What they are REALLY saying with the extended 3 year warrantee on the 3 red rings of death is that they have fixed the units to display only 2 red rings.......sorry "but you have to have 2 to qualify"
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:28PM Scatter said

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Aren't the warranties that are sold by Gamestop and other retailers EXTENDED warranties? That means that they need to cover the product for X amount of years AFTER the manufacturer warranty expires. This means that Gamestop's warranty shouldn't kick in until the end of the third year of ownership.

However I'd probably ask Gamestop this since they'll most likely try to say otherwise?
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:29PM (Unverified) said

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Well, this is a step forward.

But my 360 died, they wouldnt give me my download content back, and I sold the replacement to get a ps3.

Can I get my £100+ worth of DLC back Microsoft?

I thought not. Odd, because you have my credit card details.

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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:31PM (Unverified) said

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admirable? how the flying f*ck is this admirable for Microsoft?

they sold X Box fans a defective piece of kit, blamed the failures on them, charged them for repairs, then decides to extend the warranty for three years to avoid a class action lawsuit?

yeah, real admirable.

when you pay over $400 for *ANYTHING, that sh*t better work.

i own a PS3. yes, it cost me $600, but it's a well built piece of machinery, and it had a year warranty since the *BEGINNING.

i feel sorry for all those 360 owners that bought store warranties (biggest scam in history), and the fact that a lot of new 360 owners have to worry about if their system is going to break down or not. warranty or not.

i may have the warranty on the PS3, but my stomach doesn't churn everytime i turn the thing on, or update the firmware, in fear that it's not going to turn on or get bricked.

this shouldn't be a concern for a single X Box fan out there.

they spent their hard earned money on technology that should be sound.

the PS2 had major issues for the first 6 months or so of release, by it's year birthday, they were sorted out.

the 360 is almost two years old, and people are still having major problems with the software.

this is ridiculous.

it's good that you all got an extended warranty, but you probably would have gotten a lot more if you had all gone through with the Class Action lawsuit.

i really want a 360, but i don't want to deal with the stress of worrying if my console will break down, period.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:31PM (Unverified) said

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Oops, russ got caught lying
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:35PM (Unverified) said

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and how am i lying GJM? Please justify your comment.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:36PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:40PM (Unverified) said

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Because you can't lose DLC
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:45PM (Unverified) said

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wrong! I paid for games to be played by me and the other accounts on my machine. My primary account was the only one able to play anything other than demos. I spent hours and hours on the phone to india, and went through an endless loop of proving i was the original owner of the account. They finally told me to sign up a backup account, and re-download the content....

That backup account never got credited.

I gave up in the end.

If you are defending microsoft, then you are obviously an employee of MS, or a fanboy.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:48PM (Unverified) said

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damn that's funny how scared the ps3 fanboys are. no what can you say? so i guess we'll be back to "wait until the good games come out"

seriously your getting your money back if you had to pay out of warranty there fixing the problem and extending the warranty to 3 years for the rrod! sounds like good new where i live on earth! and it's sound like some you you nerds need to put down the sony kool-aid, after all it's so bitter.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:52PM (Unverified) said

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hey russ,

you don't get credited, you have to get point codes from the people at tech support. yeah you do get them i got over 26,000 points refunded. you have to set up another account so you can re-download your missing content. i spent 20 min getting about 18 codes but twas worth it for the points. now the whole process takes some days, but you should hold on to your ref # so they know what your talking about.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:53PM (Unverified) said

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figboy, all those people who paid MS are getting their money back, short of having better manufacturing partners to begin with, every 360 in existence is now back under warranty. that's pretty admirable.

they dont make money on repairs, and claim they've made improvements on the repaired units and new units, maybe its really over.


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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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"If you are defending microsoft, then you are obviously an employee of MS, or a fanboy."

Nope. I own a PS3, 360, Wii, and everything else. You said you lost it, then you changed your story.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:57PM (Unverified) said

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@tituspullo - Somewhere, an English teacher just died reading your comment.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 7:58PM (Unverified) said

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It isn't J. Allard crapping his pants, it is that weasel Holmdahl. He is the hardware monkey. Well, too little too late I say. And #37, many of us already had to get a retailer warranty and use that so we didn't get anything for free. My second went rown to RROD and I traded the console as a broken unit rather than pay the $139. The last thing anyone should do is try to paint MS as a Saint. They wouldn't have done this if they could have kept lying.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 8:02PM (Unverified) said

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Speaking as someone involved in finance - most likely MS realized that their quarter pre-tax was looking less than smooth and decided to make a little coffer to smooth things out AND get some great PR. I'm saying the figure is probably not all that important and while the figure may have factual forecasting attached to it, most likely the figure represented how much of a hit they needed to take to make things perty.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 8:07PM (Unverified) said

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I got you fixed the problem thing right here you gay son of a bitçh moore ( sorry no offense to the gay community by comparing moore to you)

Facking liars. I'm not buy a Dam thing from mircosoft or any of its sub-companies any more...Sorry halo 3 (he sighs...then smashs his fist through a copy of VISTA...he then smiles once again after spiting on it)

Hey Peter "Pan" Moore ....YOU SUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.s. I have nothing against Bill Gates :-)
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 8:28PM (Unverified) said

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I wonder if these mass failures were planned in order to increase the "numbers"
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 8:33PM (Unverified) said

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Is that $1B price tag not significant? Why is that little nugget buried at the bottom? I feel like a Billion dollar writedown deserves to be higher up in the column.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 8:35PM TacoHell said

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Man, from reading news about the red ring of death and from the comments here...am I the only one who's had a 360 since launch and never had the red ring of death?
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