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Posted: Jul 5th 2007 8:50PM (Unverified) said

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If you do a little math, MS is admitting close to a 30% failure rate given the $ invested in "policy change".

$1.15B/$400= 2,875,000 units they figure to have to fix.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 7:30PM (Unverified) said

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#47

Yours will die next week. Hahahahaha!!!

I'm not buying a 360 until they fix everything. In the mean time, i'll just stick with playing my PS2. That's were all the rpgs are anyway.

By then, all the 360 rpgs will be half price.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:12PM FrankTheCrank said

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They got backed into a corner.

The RROD was hurting them. Lots of people were affected.

This is text book DAMAGE CONTROL.

Score 1 for the gaming community!!!

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:30PM SpartacusMagnus said

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Matt B:

Your math isn't off, but your logic is... 1.15 billion has nothing to do with sales figures, which is what $400 would be. It does not cost MS $400 to fix the console. If any figure should be used, it would be the $130 or whatever they charged to fix it. But of course that would throw your math equation into resulting in a near 80% failure rate, which is ridiculous. Basically, your equation is FUBR- it's nonsense.

Back on topic, you really can't fault MS on this. They are addressing an unanticipated issue as best as a corporation with the bottom line in mind ever has. I feel much more secure in my purchase now ;-)

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:35PM (Unverified) said

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"and no, Microsoft has "no intention" and sees "no value" in sharing what percentage of failure there is."

So, in other words, the 33% number thrown around the other day was actually conservative.

Think about the fact that it's going to cost them a billion dollars to fix at most 11 million consoles. What does that tell you? They could replace every single one of those consoles with a new one and it'd only cost them about $400 million at retail price (which is way above what they actually pay to make a system).

That tells me they *haven't* figured out the problem and are preparing for future repairs. There's just nothing that could possibly cost them $1 billion if the units currently being produced are not defective.

And let's be clear here - this is tacit acknowledgement of a design flaw. This is not just an "unacceptable" number of defective units. There's a reason *why* there's an unacceptable number of defective units: the way the system was designed. That means *every* Xbox 360 is at risk - no system is safe, however long it's worked to this point. Any Xbox 360 could die tomorrow as a result of whatever flaw(s) are built in to the system.

I do give MS credit for extending the warranty period. But I question their core competency in building hardware, and if anything, this announcement makes them look even more inept. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that while they understand there's a problem, they're still holding back the extent of that problem, possibly because they don't understand the problem themselves.

I would not buy a 360 until some time had passed with a dwindling number of failures being reported. We're going to need to see proof that MS has really fixed this.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:43PM (Unverified) said

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Anything to try and avoid the class action lawsuit and total recall lurking around the corner lol... MS is so good at dodging the ball. Everytime anything starts to look bad and they know they're gonna get facked, they throw the dogs a bone to shut them up and it always works.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Imagine somebody broke into your house and smashed your 360. You'd be bummed, right? Now imagine somebody repeatedly broke into your house and smashed your 360, but now they tell you "don't worry, every time I smash your 360 over the next 3 years I will mail you a new one within a week".

Would you be happy with this arrangement? If not, then stop defending Microsoft. The problem is the defect, not the repairs. Unless they slap a big sticker on the box saying 1 out of 3 Xboxes will need to be shipped back, they are committing fraud. Mailing 360's back and forth for repairs over 3 years is NOT standard operation for the product. They are screwing all of you and somehow many of you are defending them for it.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:48PM (Unverified) said

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@51 - your math is slightly off by one order of magnitude.

Obviously it's great for whoever has a 360 since they're handing out at least 2.5 million free consoles, but is the 33% failure rate not overblown after all?

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 9:56PM severian00 said

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I'm sorry but with all this crap being said about the issues with the 360 I feel I need to point out the fact that the PS2 was a bigger pos than the 360. About half the people that got the first 2 yrs worth of units had issues with the blue discs. Not to mention how many lasers got out of alignment. It is so bad that places like gamefly mention that before you call a disc bad, be aware that there is a known issue with early PS2's and blue discs.

The only reason that the PS2 sold so many units is because people had to buy 2-4 systems over it's lifetime. Did you ever see sony extend their warranty? Not until the slim unit came out. Even then it was only from 90 days to 1 yr. MS is doing right by going from 90 days to 1 yr to 3yrs all over the course of a year and a half. They are doing right by their customers. I work in retail and we see very few systems come back. Our warranty kicks in after the the labor portion of MS's warranty ends so if you bought it, it will now cover you for 4 yrs. Suck it up and quit bitching. MS didn't need to do this. They are taking a huge hit to ensure that if you do have a problem, it is fixed. Get over it, makers of a product have no responsibility to you beyond their 90 day labor, 1 yr part warranty. If you don't like it buy a product from someone that offers a longer warranty.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 10:14PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, brilliant!

1) Release your console first - no matter what the cost - since you know to do otherwise would equal failure.
2) Split your own platform by introducing HD and non-HD versions. Screw your customers with the resulting lowest-common-denominator games.
3) Rush the damn thing out the door so fast that you don't even get the basic functional design right.
4) Release an HD-DVD add-on simply to counter a spec bullet-point. Screw your customers again when that becomes an expensive and orphaned mistake.
5) Lie thru your teeth about the defect rate, even long after it becomes painfully obvious the damn thing simply doesn't work, to play for time until you figure out what the hell to do.
6) Pay massive sums of cash to try to get developers on-board, and prevent the competitor's exclusive titles.
7) Screw your customers yet again by releasing yet another version of the console, at a higher price. Hope that there are enough "hardcore" chumps willing to buy the thing - with many of the same limitations and faults - all over again.
8) Pay even more massive sums of cash to try to forestall a class-action-lawsuit, and expect your customers to thank you for it.
9) Hope you can hang onto enough market share to avoid becoming irrelevant once people start to catch on to the whole plan and avoid your product like the plague.

That's quite the P.T. Barnum business plan they've got goin' on over there...

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 10:51PM severian00 said

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#57 Great job talking out your ass. Rebutal.
1. So what. You think that if Sony could've released first this gen they wouldn't have. Please.
2. Where exactly are the HD and nonHD versions of the 360? Are you meaning HDD? If so, it's about choice. Memory cards have been just fine up until Sony says so. Whatever. The Wii has no HDD, and they say there are no plans to intro one either.
3. They function just fine. Some people have problems with theirs. Those customers are now being taken care of. How'd Sony treat their PS2 customers?
4. Not quite sure how this is a bad thing. Customers said they wanted to watch HD movies and they responded. So what you are saying then is that Sony is bad because they caused their customers to buy Beta, MiniDisc, adn UMD's. Even if bluray wins, my HD-DVD add on drive will still play movies and MS will release a BluRay add-on drive. Worst case is if HD-DVD wins and the PS3 is stuck with BluRay discs. In that future the discs cost more because nobody is putting movies on them and they are only being used for games.
5. Got me on this one. The defect rate is higher than 5%.
6. Kind of like buying up 3rd party developers and writing big checks to square enix when the Final Fantasy movie bombed, huh? Oh well, Sony says they don't buy exclusives and I think they are lying through their teeth. Nin doesn't need to pay for exclusives because they say "If you don't want to develop for us, don't".
7. The Elite is sold out everywhere. Apparently the customers like to be screwed. Who knew? BTW I have one and love it.
8. No class action lawsuit has been remotely mentioned by anyone other than crybabys. My 1st 360 died after 13 months. In that time I played it the equivalent of what an average gamer would have played it in 2-3 yrs. I own 3 360's and have had no other problems with any of them. As for spending obscene amounts of money to fix the issue, chalk that up to taking care of their customer.
9. As for market share, they are still #1 in the world. Yes the Wii is probably going to beat them, but I prefer real games to minigame collections so who cares. Against the PS3, it's not even close and probably won't ever be.

Long post but thought I'm so tired of listening to Fanboys. Call me one if you want, but MS has done right by me and continues to set the bar for this generation in terms of game selection, visuals, online play, and community.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 11:45PM (Unverified) said

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nah steve, this crappy vaio keyboard misses letters at times.

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 11:47PM (Unverified) said

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...one born every minute...it's working...

Posted: Jul 5th 2007 11:53PM (Unverified) said

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joemama = tool

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:04AM (Unverified) said

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I'm not going to actually read any of the comments, or even the post, but I will say this; that has to be exactly what the devil looks like when you first arrive in hell and meet him.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:38AM (Unverified) said

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no Taco_Hell. my Nov.05 unit is still going strong as well.

people don't get that even at this mythic 33% failure rate fanboys kick around, it would still mean that twice as many xboxes work than don't.



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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:50AM (Unverified) said

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and before anyone says it, no, that's still not acceptable. i'm glad MS is taking care of everybody finally and i hope it's really over now.



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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 8:15AM kgav said

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Well, MS just had to beat Sony to market with their "Next Gen" System. We now see what happens when you rush through the design, testing and production stages.

As a result I don't see their "fixes" as being adequate enough to instill confidence in people following this RROD saga who have been waiting to purchase a 360 when it finally became a reliable system.

When I buy a consumer electronics device I expect it will work and does so for as long as I own it. I have a Sony "Boom Box" that is 15 years old, a Sony TV that is 8 years old, a Toshiba VCR that is 6 years old. I also have 2 PS2s, one from launch and one from about a year after launch both work.

As it stands now as appealing as some of the 360 titles maybe and some of the up coming titles even more so, I will not buy a 360. I could tolerate a single failure as a consumer but if I were to get multiple failures as some others have had I would basically demand a refund in full for the console and the games and accessories I had bought. No one should be expected to tolerate multiple failures of a product without due compensation.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 8:22AM (Unverified) said

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The point is clear, they don't care about us gamers. They already budget for $1 billion loss in this years report, filed months ago. So why the delay in spreading this FUD? Moore should look for another job cause once Consumers reports latches onto this fiasco it's curtains for any m$ crap box. So class action suit anyone? They've already got that in the budget too. m$ Idiots.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 9:31AM primetime4 said

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The Windows team should be pissed. They bring in all of the revenue and the Xbox gaming division just throws it away. The 350 is officially the Hyundai of game consoles.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 9:38AM (Unverified) said

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How frigging sweet is this?

>>ABCNEWS REPORTING:

In another setback for Microsoft Corp.'s unprofitable entertainment and devices division, the company says it is planning to spend at least $1 billion to repair serious problems with its Xbox 360 video game console.

The software maker also said Thursday that sales of the game console fell short of expectations for the fiscal year that just ended.

Matt Rosoff, an analyst at the independent research group Directions on Microsoft, estimates that Microsoft's entertainment and devices division has lost more than $6 billion since 2002.

"It suggests the problem is pretty widespread," Rosoff said.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 9:39AM (Unverified) said

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Again this just goes to show that the moral of the old story is still true:

YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY CONSOLES AT LAUNCH.

If you waited until today, you'd get a 3 year warranty on the defective Xbox360 and a $100 price drop on the Ps3, and you still would have the console in time to play the Final Fantasies & HaLo's of the systems.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 10:29AM (Unverified) said

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#51 hits the nail on the head: "There's a reason *why* there's an unacceptable number of defective units: the way the system was designed. That means *every* Xbox 360 is at risk"

MS would love to keep dancing around this with phrases like "multiple causes of failure", and "moving target" for defect rate. And there are obviously many fans with blinders on willing to buy these explanations, and play games with their fingers crossed hoping for the best.

The most telling thing in all this? Why wouldn't MS simply be willing to issue a refund to anyone who wants it? It's pretty clear at this point that they are paying more money to "fix" and ship multiple systems to each customer, then this new cash flush on top of that, than just issuing refunds. If your answer is "installed base", go to the head of the class. They will gladly throw away another $4 billion at this point, just to limp thru the remaining 2 years before they orphan this lemon for their next great design. It's all about getting thru this cycle somewhere other than a far distant third place, and hoping to get it right their third time out.

"Buyer beware" was never more true.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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The PS3Fanboys just collectively shit themselves all of the Joystiq comments section.


I am on the fence about the 360/PS3. Between this and the PS3 $100 price cut, both made nice moves.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 11:04AM Gizoku said

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So does this extended warranty 'extend' to European consoles or what?

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 11:12AM (Unverified) said

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"friggin sweet"?

jesus FrankTheCrank, unless you work for Apple or Sony, you're the biggest fanboy ever.


kevin,
this has costing MS lots of money, so you can bet they've resolved it. MS doesn't have a 'long track record' of bad hardware, the Xbox 1 was a tank. you're missing out on great games if you let the definition of fanboy FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) on this site deter you.

at least with this warranty you can let go of the Uncertainty and Doubt.




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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 11:19AM (Unverified) said

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@ Joemama and Jeff,

nice try but....its beyond standard for consoles to go through multiple redesigns throughout their lifetime. since NES days.

the PS2 had 13 revisions and the Wii has already been redesigned more than once. the PS3 has gone through one already as well, see Europe.


seriously, don't know who's doing more "damage control", Microsoft or Sony fanboys.




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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 11:21AM (Unverified) said

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Digi Smalls...

If the XBOX1 was such a tank, what happened to XBOX2?

I'm just loving the fact that M$ has egg all over it's face. They kept ducking this problem. Time and time again. A class action lawsuit was coming. They just dodged a bullet.

My nephew has a 360, I enjoy going over there and checking it out. I hope his doesn't poop the bed. His friends did already. He's afraid his will. The whole thing with this RROD is too bad. It really stained the XBOX image. I was this > < close to getting one. I'm waiting for the redesign, 65nm CPU and quieter DVD drive.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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FrankTheCrank,

i'd say it was a bad manufacturing partner. with this 33% failure rate everyone kicks around, i think it was one of the three manufacturing plants MS contracted to make 360s. MS did break their relationship with one of those three last month (Celexa i think it was called)

but MS did admit their problem and are now going out of pocket to cover every 360 currently in existence. short of going back in time and picking better partners, this is the pretty much the best response you could ask for.

that said, if MS hadn't done this, i would've definitely supported a class action suit. but again, they did.

what you call 'egg' is actually a pretty good example of corporate responsibility. yeah it was fairly late, but it IS retroactive.





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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 3:36PM (Unverified) said

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Digi...

They had no choice. It was hurting them. Month to month sales have dropped off. People were getting spooked by this RROD. Retail displays had RROD's for god's sake.

I'm looking forward to a redesign. Should be next spring. I will definitely look out for this new box, if it ever comes. My AMEX points, enough for a 360 Prem., are burning a hole in my pocket. And I have to admit, I love XBL Arcade!

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 3:31PM kgav said

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Multiple points of failure comes from either poor design, poor production or a combination of the two. Considering the 360 has been out for 2 years I would think any production problems would have been discovered and corrected by now.

That leaves poor design, I think based on the rapid development cycle needed to beat the competition to market there may be inherent design flaws that may still plague the console for sometime to come. "Fixes" such as a redesigned heat sink may be stop gap measure attempting to work within the confines of the current overall design of the system.

Hopefully they analyzed the system from the ground up, identified the numerous points of failure, determined the root cause/causes and redesigned as much as necessary to compensate for all defects of the original design.

Basically the the Xbox 360 should be a case study of how not to design and produce a product. Customers should not be made to suffer on this sort of scale. No amount of customer service makes up for not designing a well thought out well executed product.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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yes kevin,

but even 33% failure still leaves twice as many 360s working as designed than don't. that's millions of 360s. like my original '05 unit.

your assertion only applies if the failure rate was 100%. and it's not.



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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:54PM kgav said

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Digi Smalls,

No, my statement does not imply a 100% failure rate. Even poorly designed products can function. In fact I don't even believe the failure rate is as high as 33%. I think it is most-likely at 15-25%.

Think about this, what other company could produce a product with a 15-25% failure rate and stay in business? Could an automobile manufacturer do so? Could a refrigerator manufacturer do so?

Why on earth would a buy a product with a 15-25% failure rate? I don't like being inconvenienced and buying a $300 system having it fail, and then having to go through the replacement process is inconvenient.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:38PM severian00 said

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#82

I can name several manufacturers: Coby, Classic, Norcent, and Apex. They all make crap that breaks at about that 25% rate. It's all about economies of scale.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:47PM (Unverified) said

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J Allard was there to take all the credit when 360 launched now he is nowhere to be seen and Peter Moore is scooping up his poop.

So since J is also the man behind the Zune I wonder who will scoop up that poop.

How many times is Steve Ballmer going to hand this guy the ball only to see it fumbled?

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 12:48PM (Unverified) said

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i agree that it's unacceptable kevin. but the replacement process isn't the answer, it's just a first step.

like you said, it's either design or production. my 360 has gone through heavy, heavy use since november 2005, and works flawlessly. that leads me to believe it's the production.

changing their production situation (getting rid of one partner), making this public apology and considerable investment means they're serious. obviously doing what they have been doing, sending replacement after replacement isn't the goal.



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Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:10PM (Unverified) said

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whoa random. my answer to 85 was posted as 84. never seen that before.



Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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The gamer community needs to track this for themselves. http://www.theconsoletracker.com was built for this purpose. Be honest, and it will be fair.

There are still a lot of people that won't be covered by the extension of the warranty. Are they gonna have to find ways to make their machines RROD so they can get service? My 360 locked up after 5 mins. Just froze. No RROD. So, not covered. And I personally can't really forgive Moore for the "service after the sale" comment. A lot of people have had a lot of issues with their refurbs.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:28PM (Unverified) said

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Digi and Kevin,

what do you guys think this is going to do for all those fence sitters? I highly doubt these folks, like myself, are going to even bother with this current generation of 360's. Who needs the inconvenience?

M$ should just scrap 360 v.1 and move on!!!

A 3 Year warranty isn't going to make me feel better about buying a system from, insert name of big box retailer here. That's great and all, but having to constantly worry about that? That puts a serious crimp on this things.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:32PM GoonieGooGoo said

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Way to go Microsoft....

As an owner of 2 LAUNCH 360 Units......with ZERO Problems.....I appreciate the peace of mind provided by the warranty extension.

And given I just purchased an ELITE as well....I'm even happier.

Too Bad SONY didn't do this with the PS1 or PS2........

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 1:54PM (Unverified) said

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yeah part of what you say is true FrankTheCrank. this warranty is just as much for current owners as it is new ones.

perception wise, MS can't bring a smaller, cooler 65nm redesign soon enough. the 360 will be two years old soon. hopefully the case would be different so people would know its really different.




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Posted: Jul 9th 2007 12:05PM kgav said

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11.6 million 360s sold. The 1.15 Billion is enough to cover 2.5 million repairs. So about 21% failure is covered.

I am on the fence and will be for a while. There are a few games I wouldn't mind playing but the one I am waiting for is not out until January.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 3:36PM SirUrza said

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564 days later and still running fine.


PS3 fanboys unite and flame microsoft anyway you can.

Posted: Jul 6th 2007 4:52PM (Unverified) said

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I guess that next Xbox patch will convert all 3 light error codes into 2 light error codes...sorry not covered.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 12:41AM Killamajiger said

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First I am really getting annoyed by all the people who keep saying that by extending the warranty Microsoft (you can tell that they are biased from the start is they use any $'s) they are admitting that they have somehow have massive problems with defective Xbox's and that the default rate must be over 33% since they won't admit what it is.

Second, in regards to the people who say that the elite has a lower failure rate than normal 360's that can probably be linked to the fact that people who buy a elite are more likely to be the sort of people who read gaming blogs, and post on gaming forms, as opposed to people who buy normal 360's who might not, and therefore when they have no problems with it they don't go out and tell anyone.

And finally to the poster who said that companies can't afford to make products with 15-25% failure rates, if you read Consumer Reports, you will see for many major appliances have failure rates similar to those, and in the current issue, one maker of gas ranges (Viking) actually has that fabled 33% repair rate (followed by KitchenAid at 20, and Amana at 19).

All that's to say that I think Microsoft did a good thing here by extending the warranty, and don't see how getting something for free, or actually getting your money back is bad (well, other than for Microsoft stockholders, who might see the price dip a little).

And to those people who say they won't buy a 360 until it is fixed, if you get one now, even if you have to send it in 10 times you will still have more time with it than if you waited a year before you were convinced, and got it then.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 3:34AM (Unverified) said

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I think some of the complainers here would be negative on anything MS does regarding the 360. It is speaking well of a major worldwide company to admit there are issues with any product they sell AND taking steps for their consumers to be provided a "fix". Unlike Sony and the issues with the PSP pixel problem that they would not support but simply stated "it would resolve itself", Microsoft has found that this is a problem and is addressing it in a formidable way. After all, when are computers and other sensitive electronics really fully tested and without any possibility of breakdown. I had 2 computers in a row recently that did not work out-of-the-box.


Extended warranties are just that, extended. Extra coverage is the choice of the purchaser and is like an insurance policy. Some get used and some do not, but it is the peace of mind we really purchase.

Microsoft did the right thing from the very beginning any issues came up - a 3 day turn-around for a replacement console when the system was released and issues arose. What more do some of you want? Complain about important things that can truly affect your life - something that is shown to be a health risk and the company hid the fact, or a defect of a product that can cause death or serious injury.

By the way, a friend of mine had to return his PS3 3 times to the store - the first time, it would not turn on; second time, it made a terrible sound when the game disk was inserted and started to play. He kept the third one for 3 weeks and then decided that the games were not coming out fast enough to keep it. He also has a 360 and had a problem with the RROD once - MS fixed it for free - sending him a new console as a replacement. No problems since and it has been over a year.

Posted: Jul 8th 2007 9:59AM (Unverified) said

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To blazer for post#14: I echo your statements exactly. I have had my 360 nearly over one year and have played it for hours at a time and it has yet to overheat or give me the red ring of death. Which proves it is not every x360 console that has been manufacutred with defective cooling systems. All of the negative comments and those who are laughing at this situation are mostly made by sony fanboys who may not be experiencing major mechanical problems but somehow their sales still suck not matter what. This issue is being addressed and their is a fix and 360 will continue to grow right along with its vast number of titles and exclusivities that PS3 is losing by the hour! by THE HOUR!! congrats to Wii owners and its success but that too is going to fade away over the next year or two. 360 is the only true next gen console worth having. Oh man I don't know how any PS3 owner can feel proud of owning a $600 blue ray USB HUB that virtually has no real games worth buying it for. Stupid dumb Sony fanboys are constantly bragging about how they voluntarily got raped and molested by Sony.

Posted: Jul 10th 2007 9:40AM (Unverified) said

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Unashamed Flaming....

Peter Moore - King of the Trolls (looks a bit like Lenin), likes nothing more than sitting in his big red leather chair basking in the aroma of his sweat smelling farts and the memory of his last success, the Dreamcast.
Lets all raise our hands and thank ole' Pete and his chum's for.......

Giving.......your small hardcore (and constantly on here whining) fanbase the Royal Shaft by providing them with a piss poor games console. Its loud! It overheats! Is it a steam train? Hell no! its the Microsoft 360, crappest console ever made.
Brainwashing.......your loyal fans into licking your butt for fessing up that your console is shite and it needs a 3 year warranty because there is a very high probability it will RRoD on them.
When......the 3 year warranty runs out and the 360's continues to RRoD, you will then tell your butt fatigued fans to shell out even more $$$ to buy the newer 65nm xbox 360 instead of offering it as a free replacement. More Cigars....more butt sex.
Not.......having the balls to include HD-DVD out of the box and therefore anhilating HD-DVD's chances of competing agianst Blu-Ray in the HD format war.....keep a firm grip on those ankles now boys! hallelujah, Glory, Amen.
Creating.......the 360.Bill O’Reilly brigade who waste their lives in turning any little PS3/Wii news into Watergate, whilst on the other hand applauding Microsoft's 360 holocaust.

Buy a PS3 or Wii and give your arses a break!

Posted: Jul 12th 2007 5:55PM (Unverified) said

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Change of $$$x per produced unit so far... MEANS: expect to get each and every unit in for repairs within the next 3 years.

Otherwise, wouldn't they have taken a charge over an "statistical
average" number of failures?

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