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Posted: Jul 7th 2007 10:28AM (Unverified) said

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NintendoFanbot,

i got no problem with Nintendo's success. infact ive loved all their systems except for GameCube and Wii.

wat bugs me is when fanboys say "Wii pwnd PS3!!" thats like saying Corolla pwned Mercedez because it sold more. stop comparing Wii with PS3/360, its ridiculous. how can you compare when Wii ports are really bad versions of PS3/360 ports? as far as exclusives go, every system has those.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 10:55AM Top Cat said

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@ 51
"wat bugs me is when fanboys say "Wii pwnd PS3!!" "

trust me, thats not nearly as irritating as when someone looks at these sale charts and tries to claim differently

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 11:53AM NintendoFanbot said

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"how can you compare when Wii ports are really bad versions of PS3/360 ports"

I played Call of Duty 3; it was the same as the 360 version except with waggle instead of normal-mapping and HD. Fortunately a LOT more Wii games are going to amount to more than that in the upcoming months. ;)

And PS3/360 ports like CoD, Oblivion, etc. are ports of PC titles. So it doesn't impact me that much as a CONSOLE gamer. ;)

Posted: Jul 9th 2007 1:37PM (Unverified) said

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well this was inevitable. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY in Japan must now have a DS or DS Lite. Salamajamas, that's priceless!!!!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 1:26PM (Unverified) said

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Lets see... why do we compare the Wii to the 360/PS3. I don't know because they are competing, because the heads of all three companies consider themselves in competition with one another, because everyone-maybe even you at some point- were playing up this whole console war thing. Like it or not these three consoles are in DIRECT COMPETITION with each other. Oh and by the way if Sony only wanted to make their consoles attractive to hardcore gamers, they wouldn't have included a blu-ray player standard. Instead they wanted to push the blu-ray format to the hardcore gamers and push their gaming content to the casual gamers by putting a blu-ray player in their system because it's obvious that having a higher price point is not helping them much.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 1:47PM aristokrat said

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We shouldn't really be using CoD3 as a measuring stick, because it absolutely sucked on the Wii due to the controls. As much as I loved holding my hand deadly still pointed directly at the middle of the screen to keep from spinning wildly...

Actually, I guess you could call Wii CoD3 more hardcore because you had to have a tense arm constantly throughout gameplay, as opposed to the other versions were you could actually relax and enjoy the game (though the lack of relaxation in Wii games in general is a peeve of mine). I'm glad the Wii has been able to show me what war/combat is really like, my entire body lead around by the direction of my hand: feels like I'm in a halo or something (ha! pun intended).

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 1:57PM (Unverified) said

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NintendoFanbot,

"I played Call of Duty 3; it was the same as the 360 version except with waggle instead of normal-mapping and HD. Fortunately a LOT more Wii games are going to amount to more than that in the upcoming months."

really? cuz last time i checked, PS3/360 versions had 720p native, 5.1 surround, and online play. but yea, your Wii version must be the same!

the metacritic ratings must be the same as well right? lets see...PS3 version gets an 8.0, 360 version gets a 8.2, and Wii version gets a 6.9 LOL. i guess the "new" gen "intuitive" motion sensing controls were too much for the reviewers!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 1:57PM (Unverified) said

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NintendoFanbot,

"I played Call of Duty 3; it was the same as the 360 version except with waggle instead of normal-mapping and HD. Fortunately a LOT more Wii games are going to amount to more than that in the upcoming months."

really? cuz last time i checked, PS3/360 versions had 720p native, 5.1 surround, and online play. but yea, your Wii version must be the same!

the metacritic ratings must be the same as well right? lets see...PS3 version gets an 8.0, 360 version gets a 8.2, and Wii version gets a 6.9 LOL. i guess the "new" gen "intuitive" motion sensing controls were too much for the reviewers!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 2:18PM Micmoo said

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The gizmondo is the future, The ds is a fad, it will fail/

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 2:57PM (Unverified) said

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You people are funny. Anyone that spells "what" as "wat" is automatically a fuck up.

Oh and Curmeo, try to justify why Katamari, Killer 7, Okami and other such games were less cutting edge than even other games on said system.

You will try but your explanation will sound like something under Jack Thompson. It will be amusing to say the least. ;D

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 3:16PM (Unverified) said

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You know, as a cross-platform gamer since 1992 when I was about 7 or so, I couldn't care less who sells the most consoles because I know none of them are going away. Not the Wii, 360 or even the PS3 is going to pull a "Dreamcast" here folks. (although my DC is still one of my most-played systems, Virtua Tennis FTW!!!) And it doesnt matter how many lame analogies the fanboys can come up with about Corrola's and Merc's, one simple fact remains: you go to a different place to buy a BMW than you do a Neon, economy vs. luxury, but unfortunately for guys like Curmeo when you go to gamestop/eb/walmart/target anywhere you can buy games the wii is sitting right next to the PS3 and 360. And if you think it's not a decision that ALOT of people make to go with one OVER the other then you're just lying to yourself. As long as they keep charting the numbers on the same chart I can sit back with my 360 and Wii and psTWO and laugh as all the PS3 guys act like they're driving by my house revving thier huge V12 engine of a system but with no road to drive on. Game on folks, game on.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:00PM (Unverified) said

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Sidepocket,

not the ideal games to use in your arguement, except for Okami. lets see:

Killer 7 got a metacritic rating of 74/72 on GC/PS2.

Katamari got an 8.6

thats besides the point though. these PS2/GC games were amazing/good for their time, which was last gen. if u release games like those on the PS3/360, it will be a joke. get with the times. its 2007, not 1996. every PS3/360 game is required to support 720p (which shows off next gen graphics and better gameplay) and 5.1 surround sound. most PS3/360 games that suit online play have it as well, the exception being Sega's Virtua Tennis and Virtua Fighter on PS3, probably because Sega isnt as rich as Ubisoft or EA.

its no secret that Wii ports suck. if Wii owners want to continue playing 3D Mario/Zelda/Metroid, go ahead. ive played these games on the N64. not much has changed other than a motion sensing remote and "GC-on-Steroids" graphics.

Contrary to what Iwata and Reggie claim, better hardware/services dont *JUST* mean better graphics. its a whole lot more, which is what next gen is all about.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:31PM houser said

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I love the sliding bar that PS3 fans put out...

What happened to 1080p as the STANDARD??

ANd I would have loved to have seen Okami, Killer 7 or Katamari in 1996. Since you seem to think they are so dated.

And the 360 (and NOT PS3) will be getting Katamari.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:35PM (Unverified) said

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@ Curmeo

Next gen has nothing to do with graphics, it has to do about the console that came out. For instance with your view, X-Box should have been the real next gen machine and PS2 would have been last gen.

WTF is wrong with you?

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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Why does it really matter what Sonybots think!!! The Wii is smashing the PS3 and PSP combined in all regions. The PS3 is a shallow follow up to it's great predecessor. Even with only GCN 1.5 capabilities the Wii's games will eventually match if not surpass PS3 games like Genji (PoS) and any of their rubbery looking sports games. Besides it takes 3x as long and almost as many times to develop PoS3 games as it does Wii games!!! The FACTS ARE THE PS3 IS AN UTTER FAILURE SO FAR and nothing in hell will change that!!!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:47PM (Unverified) said

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Sidepocket,

actually no, Xbox1 and PS2 were priced the same, had similar hardware, had similar controllers, and both had online services. much like PS3 and 360 right now, Xbox1 had the *slight* edge in graphics/performance and had the better online service, although PS2 online was/is free.

i never said next gen has nothing to do with graphics. all i said was next gen is not *ONLY* about better graphics, contrary to what Nintendo claims and wants people to think, when they refer to Sony's/MS's focus on better hardware/services.

it seems like you keep tryin to find something to argue with me about. you ought to ask the "WTF" question to yourself.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:55PM (Unverified) said

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actually the XBOX had a HUGE edge in graphics compared to the PS2!!! It's online offering (PS2) was forgettable to non existent (to be fair Nintendo didn't even show up!! I don't count the PSO games) and thought they both cost almost the same the XBOX was wayyyyy more expensive to develop than the PS2.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:54PM (Unverified) said

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Curmeo, let me help you out:

Wii >> PS3 > 360
(In Japan)

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:07PM (Unverified) said

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rubaiyat,

1080p was never claimed to be the standard for games by Sony. all they said was 1080p was possible on the PS3. Ridge Racer 7 proves that, a game that runs NATIVELY at 1080p at 60 FPS. i have the game. its beautiful.

i do agree Sony tried bullshittin us about the two hdmi ports and dual 1080p output crap though.

i wasnt talking about Okami/Katamari/Killer 7 when refering to 1996.

good for 360 owners about Katamari. i like the 360. only reason i dont own one is because im waiting for the 65nm version.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 4:57PM (Unverified) said

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actually grog it's more like this:

DS>>>>Wii>>>Xbox360>>PSP>PS2>PS3

In all regions not just Japan!!!

:P

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:06PM Fernando Rocker said

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@Curmeo

What a fuck are you talking about??? The PS2 was the weakest system last gen, and still was the "winner" of the last gen. The Gamecube is a lot more powerful than the PS2, and the Xbox is a little more powerful than the Gamecube... every multiplatform game from last gen was a lot better ont the Gamecube/Xbox than in the PS2

So, power doesnt mean anything. PS2 was the weakest and was the most succesful. Same with the Wii.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:17PM (Unverified) said

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Fernando Rocker,

im not denying PS2 was graphically weaker than Xbox1/GC. but the gap between PS2/GC/Xbox1 wasnt as great as the gap between PS3/360 and Wii graphically.

PS2 still had an online service, unlike GC and so far Wii, and it never hurt that the system could play dvd movies. plus things like EyeToy helped sales(i dont think a nintendo home console has ever had a cam accessory). those are *SOME* of the reasons its was successful. if future Wii games only support 2 player online with no voice chat (Mario Strikers Charged im lookin at you), it will be a real shame since PS2 had online FPS games like Socom which supported voice chat.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:24PM Phion said

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"its a whole lot more, which is what next gen is all about."

HAHAHAHAHA, that totally made my day man.

I get the point Curmeo is trying to make...but the delivery makes it sound like standard internet trolling.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:25PM (Unverified) said

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@curmeo

stfu and go to the ps3 fanboy site and wait for some games my friend.. there is no way you can convince anyone on this thread the wii is pawning the ps3 cause they are different.. they are in the same fuckin market and people actually like the wii better than the ps3.. graphics isnt everything my friend...

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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o and the ps3 and ps2 online system sucks balls so dont bash the wii's alone

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:29PM Mr Khan said

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@ Curmeo

You were taken in by Nintendo's clever marketing. Once (if ever) they start losing to the competition, then all of a sudden they shall "not be directly competing" according to them, that's why they said it early on, they know that the onboard hardware is a joke compared to the competition, but there is no way that better technology makes a game more hardcore

No one could possibly assert that Metroid Prime 2 is less hardcore than, say, Perfect Dark Zero, even given the technological disparity. Try the former and the latter, and the more hardcore one will reveal itself

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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"wat bugs me is when fanboys say "Wii pwnd PS3!!" thats like saying Corolla pwned Mercedez because it sold more."

Difference is Mercedes make a profit off their high end cars, sony dont.

OMG TTL HAXXED!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 6:09PM (Unverified) said

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MrKhan,

i assure you Nintendo's marketing has not been able to decieve me. it if did, i'd be a Wii owner ;) Nintendo uses the "graphics dont matter/motion sensing FTW/gameplay over graphics/PS3-360 hardware only means better graphics" argeuments to lure people into buying a Wii instead of a PS3 or 360. unfortunately for them, their arguement has backfired on them, atleast with me.

i never said better hardware/services automatically mean better gameplay. alot depends on how good the developers are. but as far as multiplatform games go, Wii ports are naturally the weakest link because of the weaker hardware and lack of online.

as far as exclusives like Metroid go, i just dont how they can be compared to games like Perfect Dark Zero. Metroid Prime 2 doesnt have an online mode, has limited stereo sound, and is in 480i. the only potential superiority of MP2 would be its gameplay which, like i alluded to before, is something subjective.

keep in mind 480i FPS games like MP2 and MP3 will always have the resolution disadvantage, which is key for FPS games. the more resolution the better.

finally, comparing Metacritic ratings of a GC game with a 360 game doesnt make sense: they are systems from different generations.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 6:28PM (Unverified) said

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"keep in mind 480i FPS games like MP2 and MP3 will always have the resolution disadvantage, which is key for FPS games. the more resolution the better."

Nope.

Goldeneye N64 > Any current FPS with 1032095285048i HD.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 6:36PM (Unverified) said

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"wat bugs me is when fanboys say "Wii pwnd PS3!!" thats like saying Corolla pwned Mercedez because it sold more. stop comparing Wii with PS3/360, its ridiculous. how can you compare when Wii ports are really bad versions of PS3/360 ports? as far as exclusives go, every system has those."

"the metacritic ratings must be the same as well right? lets see...PS3 version gets an 8.0, 360 version gets a 8.2, and Wii version gets a 6.9 LOL. i guess the "new" gen "intuitive" motion sensing controls were too much for the reviewers!"

So wait, I'm confused. Are we supposed to compare the Wii to the PS3/360 or not? Direct comparison between sales numbers is, according to you, somehow ridiculous because they are not in "direct competition." And yet you turn right around and directly compare metacritic ratings for the Wii and PS3/360. Wait, I thought they weren't in direct competition and a comparison is "ridiculous."

No, my friend, the only thing here that's ridiculous is you.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 6:55PM Fernando Rocker said

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@Curmeo

Metroid Prime 2 and 1 are not 480i, they are 480p at 60 FPS, and have Dolby Prologic II.

You are a noob. An annoying noob. Really.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 7:24PM mrmolina said

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DS Lite: 157,435(red arrow)6,453 (3.94%)

What that says is that the sales for that time period is 6,453 units less than the last one.
Because if the DS' sales were to fall that badly the percentage would be in the hundreds or thousands.

If i'm wrong, someone put up a LOGICAL explanation to that.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 8:36PM (Unverified) said

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I don't care if my Wii can't support HD. I don't give a crap about surround sound. All I care that it has some fun local multiplayer games, the classic Nintendo franchises, and maybe a few quirky games. Still, I can rest assured knowing I can play games online (for free), I use easily the best controller, I get much better resolution than 720p, and I've had this all for about five years. Guess what my favorite system is.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 9:30PM (Unverified) said

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Okay I admit the Wii IS "inferior" graphically to the 360 and PS3 (though so far I haven't really seen that MUCH of a significant diffrence IMO). But it really doesn't matter you Sony Fangirl/Fanboy because:

DS>>>>Wii>>>Xbox360>>PSP>PS2>PS3
In all regions not just Japan!!!

Oh btw I kinda recognized your other comments @ cubed3 and N-europe where you sometimes troll curmeo or whatever you call yourself!!!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 9:34PM (Unverified) said

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THe last 8 months I've been having fun using the Wii as a Web Browser(youtube on the big screen), downloading a couple of VC online, instant weather checker, and sharing/showing photos to family and friends. So I guess the Wii can be more than just a GAME SYSTEM!!! Honestly, the graphics bashing is getting old just like the kiddy bashing; can't the trolls come up with something new for a change!!!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 9:53PM (Unverified) said

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curmeo is no noob she/he just likes to twist things around to make Nintendo/Wii/DS look bad. Ignoring facts and trying to cloak the truth!!! Sorry kid, the truth hurts(especially to Sony their bots and plants) the Wii pwnd PS3 not just in Japan but everywhere else. Give up trying to change/deny that truth and admit the PS3 is an UTTER FAILURE!!! I don't take any pleasure in that but it's the DAMN TRUTH!!!
PS and please...please give the graphics and gimmick crap a break it's getting pathetic tell us something new and we don't know!!!

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 11:01PM (Unverified) said

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i hope many of you realize that everyone and their fucking dog said the same thing about the ps2; that it was leading to epic phail.
think about this for a second, and then post your fanboyish posts.
and don't pull that "ps3 fanboy" shit out of your ass, i haven't ever played one nor touched one.

Posted: Jul 7th 2007 11:00PM samfish said

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Curmeo, you're really in denial about what makes something "hardcore".

So you're telling me that those MILLIONS of college students beating your ass in Resistance every night on a 19" SD TV AREN'T "hardcore" gamers?
Or the millions more people who own a 360 and DON'T have an HD TV yet (the majority of the population, mind you), furthermore a surround sound system, also aren't "hardcore" gamers? Some of who, I'm sure, own well over 20 games for whatever console they have?
Your logic is so stupid it makes the baby Jesus cry, chief.

The funny thing about you is that you fell for Nintendo's marketing propaganda hook, line and sinker. If Nintendo wasn't competing with Sony and MS, than developers wouldn't be moving teams off of 360/PS3 development and moving them on to Wii development, for one thing.

And honestly, if one more of you kids tries to use that stupid car analogy, I'm going to fly to your house and kick you square in the nuts.

But the real funny part? If the Wii ever DOES start losing to the 360 or PS3, you can bet your ass that kids like you are going to start crowing about how the Wii "is getting pwned" by the 360/PS3.

Posted: Jul 8th 2007 8:30PM (Unverified) said

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Has anyone even considered price point?! That is a huge factor on who buys what and when. I have a wii but is not because I dislike MS or Sony I just bought it for the reasonable price and it was different (putting a side that I'm a bit dissapointed with their games so far). Ask yourself a question...If all 3 console were at the same price range...which one you would you buy? ...Different competition now, ain't it?

Posted: Jul 8th 2007 10:36PM (Unverified) said

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Isn't the sales of the DS Lite going DOWN in Japan one of the signs of the apocalypse? Excuse me, I need to go build my underground bunker now.

Posted: Jul 14th 2007 10:51PM (Unverified) said

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Curmeo, your arguments are absolutely ridiculous. The thing you don't seem to realize is that hardcore gamers aren't all the same. I consider myself to be a hardcore gamer. I own all 3 systems from last gen and already have a Wii60. I will buy a PS3 at some point, when it has more exclusives and a lower price point. I have played (and beaten) most of the major releases of the last generation. And you know what? I have a 20" SDTV and use its good old-fashioned stereo speakers to listen to my games. I don't even care enough about 480p to buy the cable I need to use it. And I've only had that TV for less than a year. Before that I had a busted-ass knob-operated POS with a single speaker and crappy picture. Does that make me a 'casual' gamer?

Posted: Jul 20th 2007 11:54PM Spiza said

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The PS3 is a success in Japan because it has already outsold the xbox360. That makes it the default for all the HD RPGs that will come out of Japan which will dramatically inflate the sales. Final Fantasy is definitely going to the PS3.

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