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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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oh snap! I have revealed my Canadian location... Yep, we get milk in bags, but we don't need fridges cause we have igloos. Also, we drink pop on our couches, not soda on our sofas.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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How many copies of Guitar Hero II 360 were sold? I bet it's a lot more than 300k.

I admit, I bought a song pack when it was first released, out of the excitement that I've been playing GH for so long and I could finally do this, but I'm still sticking with my protest and haven't bought a song pack since... at least until More Than A Feeling is released.

Once Rock Band starts their download service, something tells me they won't be so evil with their song pricing. Maybe then Activision will wake up and realize they're treating the fans of the franchise like assholes.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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I think everyone agrees that it appears to be too expensive...the issue is whether or not MS/the devs agree. I've purchased one pack and ONLY one pack, because I only like the songs in one pack enough to pay that much. I would have bought all three, but the selection was too weak FOR THE PRICE ASKED.

I don't think it's an accident that the fourth pack has higher profile songs for all three titles. The fourth pack is a winner, IMHO, so I'll probably pay for that, too. I suspect that they'll further cherry-pick the titles out there to release packs that have A-list songs and not change the price. THAT is the lesson they're testing, now.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:43AM (Unverified) said

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What I'm honestly worried about at this point is Activision turning around and trying to sell us GH2 songs for GH3 so that we can finally play them online. I mean, shit, I've JUST BOUGHT THOSE.

Has anyone even asked them about this before?

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, we love it, F-ck you Activision.

We'll see how much "we" love them when everyone buys Rock Band and sells there GH II's on Ebay.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:47AM (Unverified) said

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Since when did buying DLC mean you're "rich" or "dumb"?

Yeah I'm not poor but that doesn't mean I'm uber rich. I just happen to not think the prices are that outrageous or expensive. I'll gladly pay for them.

Basically the ones complaining are a bunch of whining bitches. Don't buy it if you don't like the price. At the same time quit bitching to those of us who don't care about the price and don't think its a big deal.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:59AM (Unverified) said

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"Basically the ones complaining are a bunch of whining bitches. Don't buy it if you don't like the price. At the same time quit bitching to those of us who don't care about the price and don't think its a big deal."

We don't buy it. That's the point.

If you don't like us complaining, then don't listen. At the same time, quit vehemently supporting Activision and their bloated pricing schemes around those of us who are trying to change something for the good of everyone.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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This has definitely convinced me to part ways with Guitar Hero and join rock band. If Activision is going to not only lie about how much DLC they will have for GHII and price songs that many of us have already played on the PS2 at over $2 apiece (and making us buy them in packs that they determine), then I have no reason to remain loyal to GH. I'll keep playing GHII (as the songs already on it are good), but after Rock Band arrives, so long Activision.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 11:57AM ShinAntonio said

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Some of you are being overly dramatic for nothing. There's no way on Earth Activision would so dumb as to actually decrease the number of songs available on the initial release and then bump up the song pack price to absurd numbers.

I suspect 6.25 is the price they arrived at after considering what would sell the most and maximize their profits. This statement was basically saying they're satisfied with the response.

Activision knows a move like that ones some of you are predicting would alienate the GH fanbase big time. They're not idiots. They're business people.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 12:07PM (Unverified) said

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To Farseer its hard to ignore whiny bitches like yourself when you CONSTANTLY whine and complain in every thread related to Activision or Guitar Hero.

You're not trying to change anything for "good". You're just being a cheap ass loser.

Last but not least I'm glad you don't buy it. You're the one whos missing out. The rest of us will continue to enjoy the great music and the game itself. And Activision will continue to enjoy its sucess. Activision is in the business of making a profit. And it costs money to put out games and DLC I'm sure. I'm not going to be mad at them or scream like a lil bitch because they decide to sell something to the mass public at a price THEY deem is okay.

Just like any other company Activision wants that paper and its obvious they're making it.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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Johnny,

I don't know why you consider it "whining" to protest something you think is wrong.

Also, I don't see how you can consider the boycott of GH song packs "missing out". I would only be "missing out" if I hadn't played all these songs before (and paid half as much for them the first time). I have more than enough money to buy all the songs from the first game, but I already played them, so I feel that it is not a wise decison to pay twice as much to play them again. If that were all, I'd leave it at that and let people like you feel cool in their blind support of corporate greed.

The reason I complain (only on threads relating to the price of GHII DL content BTW), is because I'm afraid to see what people who have no self control will do to the future of DL content.

What happens when GHII offers brand new songs (not re-releases) ONLY in DL format? What if they decide to keep this pricing or increase it?

I'm fine with paying $100 for the peripheral and the disc containing 60+ songs. I'm not fine with them offering future installments only via DL at $100 for 48 songs. Keep on showing them that you like to throw away money, and that will be the future.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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OH on another note its hilarious how you people think that Rock Band is going to be somehow less expensive than GHIII. IF anything the controllers will be more expensive while the songs themselves are a lil less costly.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 12:32PM (Unverified) said

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I have purchased all of the available tracks because my fiance and I entertain a lot, and every party we throw eventually turns into a Guitar Hero party. To be able to throw $6.25 at Microsoft and be able to entertain our guests for another 30 minutes is actually one of the best deals I've seen in a long time.

If you dont like the price, then dont buy it. If you think that you are going to scare Micro$oft and Red Octane by vocally boycotting it, well, you wont. Even if you did "win", then all they will do is stop offering the content altogether, and then we all lose.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 4:08PM ludwigk said

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You couldn't be more wrong. You are forgetting the case where the consumer AND the company wins. This is the one where they sell a good or service at some price X, and we buy it at that price and are fully satisfied. They sell many more copies, making much more money, and have the added goodwill of satisfied customers.

I can hardly blame you. Consumers these days are dicked around by so many different product and service vendors that its no surprise people refuse to acknowledge the possibility of a happy ending.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 12:53PM (Unverified) said

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I've made my mind up so go ahead and charge $100 a pop for this stuff I will never ever buy any of it or even your Guitar Hero product. The more this stuff goes up in price and the more pay DLC is on Xbox Live the less and less I'm buying. This vote with your wallet stuff was never going to work because many people can't control themselves and will pay for it, they are like drug addicts with no self control. This is only going to get worse and these publishers and MS are laughing at you all the way to the bank. Just wait till we are paying for demo's.. It's coming just watch!

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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"Just wait till we are paying for demo's.. It's coming just watch!"

One word, dude: CRACKDOWN. We don't have to wait, that day already came and WENT.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 1:32PM (Unverified) said

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Am I the only one who thought of that scene in Dazed and Confused where Parker Posey is dumping crap all over the freshmen and says" "Smile, you love us." Thats activision to us. Now cue the 70's music!

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 2:21PM (Unverified) said

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"I have more than enough money to buy all the songs from the first game, but I already played them, so I feel that it is not a wise decison to pay twice as much to play them again."

That's fine...but some of us DON'T HAVE Guitar Hero I on the PS2. In my circle of friends, none of us played GH until GHII for the 360. You may seem to think we lack some form of impulse control...but then, you've already enjoyed this content. It's no sacrifice for you. Your perceived value is less because its REHASHED content for you. It's not NEW, like it is to me. Hence our perception of the perceived value of the content is not mutual. How could it be? I've played less GH overall and NEVER played these particular tracks. You consider the price unacceptable, while I merely consider it overpriced for packs with songs I don't want. If I want to play "Killer Queen" I can only play it by buying the pack OR by purchasing the PS2 version and Guitar. And for those who don't have a PS2, that as well. Never mind the issue that I want to play on my HDTV in 1080i in full 5.1 stereo, as well.

To take the role of Devil's Advocate for a moment, I think you're assuming things that may or may not be true. The assumption is that we're convincing Activision and Microsoft that overcharging is good. Conversely, they may be thinking that sales are SO poor, it doesn't make economic sense to do more for the relatively small profit to be earned. Since none of us knows how the economics of it work, we can only guess.

As for the famed Oblivion Horse Armor, that's actually an argument that the market works. After the furor of the initial pricing, all of the further content was priced cheaper AND had more bang for the buck. This most recent pack has more popular songs which are considered Rock Anthems (Sorry, but releasing songs by The Donnas and The Exies before hitting groups like Deep Purple, Judas Priest or the Ramones....DUMB). That doesn't make the price more palatable, but three good songs sells a lot better than one or two.

I'm willing to bet if there IS a pack 5, it will have some big hitters like Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, Bowie and Joan Jett in it, and its less likely to have Burning Brides or The Slip.

Your repeated use of pejoratives doesn't help you argument. By painting everyone who doesn't fully agree with you doesn't help your case.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 2:43PM (Unverified) said

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WizardDru,

Point well taken. In my haste to condemn what I perceive to be a bleak future, I did overlook the fact that there are situations where some users access a different value to this microtransaction method.

Furthermore, any use of pejoratives on this thread have been mainly retaliatory, though that is not an excuse. I guess that being called a "whiny bitch" numerous times has made me a bit defensive. :)

I also cannot help to play devil's advocate here either. I understand that these songs are new to you because you did not play GH on the PS2. Does it feel good that you will be paying, for these 47 songs, near $100 for what others can get for $40?

To put it in perspective, you only paid $60 for GHII on the 360 (with 64 songs). A separate 360 game disc for, say, $50 that has the original GH tracks would then, in my opinion, be a better offering to those who have decided to pick up the game for the first time.

Regardless, this isn't the first microtransaction debate by any means, and though we hope that our wallets are a good enough representation of our vote, this article leads me to believe that Activision sees profit over their customer base. I guess that the GHIII/RB showdown will be a big indicator of how the franchise(s) will proceed with add-on sales.

Glad to hear that you're enjoying the game. :)
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 4:31PM ludwigk said

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Factoring in the price of the PS2 to play GHI tracks is completely missing the issue, and an irrelevant comparison. In that case, I'll include the cost of the 1080i TV to play GHII packs at high resolution, along with the digital receiver and 5.1 speaker system for the audio, and the bigger house I'll need to play it in. Gee, $1,005,006.25 is mighty expensive for a song pack there, bucko (I live in NorCal Bay area.. houses are expensive).

You're mistaking barriers to entry with content vs. price, which is a more succinct and logical comparison, and the one being made by the "GHI vs. 3-Song Pack" argument. Because we can argue all day over what we don't have... "I don't have a PS2..." "I don't have an HD-TV..." "My friends bought X-360's already" "my retinas have a rare disability and I can only perceive NTSC resolutions.." "My ears bleed if I listen to non-dolby 5.1 audio" "baby kittens die when I play a microsoft console" (ok, now I'm just having fun)

Of course $6.25 isn't a lot of money. I can definitely afford these packs. But, would you pay $6.25 for 3 snicker's bars when you can get 35 for $40? (This assumes that these are magic snickers bars, that, like the 35 songs in GHI, have no diminishing marginal utility, but rather individual static utilities.)

Is it so wrong to want things to be better; to argue that they should be? I'm not playing devil's advocate, I'm an advocate for the consumer. That includes you.

And the song packs did come out in the right order, just like Wii VC titles. Less Popular -> More Popular. At first its new and exciting, which will inflate demand regardless of what is being offered.

If you launch with Filet and Lobster, who's going to buy the meatloaf? This week, you get meatloaf.. some people buy it. Next week, you get lasagna, some people buy it..... Finally, you get Filet and EVERYBODY buys it, resulting in overall higher purchases. Everybody wins (Everybody in this case is defined as Activision and Microsoft).
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 3:21PM (Unverified) said

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"Does it feel good that you will be paying, for these 47 songs, near $100 for what others can get for $40?"

No worries, mate. It certainly DOES NOT feel good. I think we all agree that Microsoft and Activision are making some big mistakes, here. Because if the entire catalog of GH I was made available RIGHT NOW, I would cherry pick, like I suspect most are doing. That's lost revenue for them. I would GLADLY spend $50 for the whole catalog of GH I...but at these prices, no one will.

I don't know how their finance structure works...maybe this makes them the same profit as selling at a more reasonable structure...but it's a self-defeating strategy. If Rock Band comes out with cheaper DLC, then I think that will be nails in the coffin for GH III.

Especially if Rock Band can deliver on the promise that GH has not: frequent content updates. I can imagine Frampton Comes Alive appearing (the whole double-album) under Rock Band...and if it's reasonable, I can imagine buying it. But at the current pricing...Nada.

I think the feeling of angst comes from the fact that Harmonix comes across as a bunch of guys who really just want to deliver a product, and the combination of Activision and Microsoft are getting in the way and blocking access with palms out-stretched.

It's just that, even at these largely high prices, some folks are going to pay the money...not because they like it, but because it's no so odious as to prevent them from spending at all. But like me, I'll bet few will purchase in the kind of volume they could, because the price is higher than they like. Some people seem to think that makes anyone who does buy some sort of addict, slave or some sort of idiot for doing so. For the price of a Venti Latte at Starbucks, I'll quibble, but I try to put in perspective.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 3:26PM (Unverified) said

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"I think the feeling of angst comes from the fact that Harmonix comes across as a bunch of guys who really just want to deliver a product, and the combination of Activision and Microsoft are getting in the way and blocking access with palms out-stretched."

Bingo. I agree completely. :)
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Posted: Jul 13th 2007 3:54PM Hoffer said

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I've bought all 4 packs, but I've never played GH1. I know Rock Band is supposed to have new songs every week. If they are at $2/song, I won't be buying that many. Then again, I though I read they planned on doing the song pack thing too. I love these games, but that love could quickly disappear with these prices.

Posted: Jul 13th 2007 5:41PM DanielSW said

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"in time, anything will become desirable"

I couldn't agree more. In fact, if I didn't already own Guitar Hero for the PS2, or had downloaded it for Frets on Fire to play with my USB-compatible Xplorer guitar, I probably would've downloaded it as well.

Luckily we'll never have to find out what that's like.

I'm wondering how long I'll be able to hold out on songs I don't want when Rock Band keeps churning them out on a weekly basis. Hopefully they don't charge as much as Activision. Otherwise, things might get a little costly for me.

Posted: Jul 14th 2007 5:19AM (Unverified) said

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The prices for this are pretty high, yes this is a given. Also, I might as well get this out of the way, I downloaded packs 1-3 on the first day I bought GH2 (but GH2 came with free MS points, so justify that anyway you see fit).

Now, everyone blames either two parties for the prices: Activison, or MS. But why hasn't anyone said anything about Harmonix? They created the notecharts for those songs, no? Rock the 80's is the final game that Harmonix is working with RO and Activision, and then they are done (most likely for good, but there have been alot of reunion tours lately if you catch my drift)

This content will be available long after Harmonix splits the band, but of they plan on still using GH1 songs (again, something that Harmonix played a major hand it), a good chunk of the profits will go to them. Instead of just adding the price up after they leave, it looks like they just made it high enough right off the bat.

So please, if you are gonna bash Red Octane, Activision, and Microsoft, then at least bash Harmonix too. I know Harmonix comes off as this group of nice guys that just want to give the people what they want, but don't forget they are a buisiness, and if they just gave away everything then they wouldn't be a buisiness for too long.

Posted: Jul 17th 2007 12:32PM sand0789 said

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This week's Business 101 lesson:

Pricing. Products are priced such that they bring in the greatest total profits possible. One can sell at a very low price to more people, but at a smaller profit per sale. You can sell at a higher price, to less people, but more profit per sale.

These GHII song packs are overpriced for me. I have not bought any. But to say they are "overpriced" in the business sense is officially wrong. They have just sold nearly $2 million worth of these things. My guess is that at $3 per pack, which is the most common request I hear, that they would not have sold the necessary 1.5 to 2 million downloads to get the same profit. I am assuming the song packs cost about $2 in licensing and overhead, which may be directly influenced by the quantity you sell.

The bottom line is that because so many people are willing to pay that much, they are priced appropriately at that level. It sucks that many of us can't add songs for a price that makes sense. But, that is just the way the world turns, I guess.

Posted: Jul 25th 2007 9:38AM (Unverified) said

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Yo some don't realize the point I don't have a Ps2 , but i have a 360 so i never got 2 play the first GH. I will pay double for GH download before I buy a Ps2 and guitar and game for it. Its alot cheaper for me 2 download 2 my 360 not saying pricing is all that fair just saying that thats the reason some of the others are paying for the DLC.

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