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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:53PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know that it discounts Moore's comment since it's definitely not selling to the level anyone expected given its pedigree. It took a surprising amount of time to get there... but, even still, I guess you have to attack something when no one cares about your system and you're a PR guy lol.

That said, it'll be interesting to see what happens in Japan when more of the big guns hit the PS3.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:03PM Triforceowner said

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Final Fantasy will probably drive 1,764,266 PlayStation 3 units in its first week.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 4:08PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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@Triforce

I don't think so. I mean lets use LOZ as an example. People in Japan are crazy for their Zelda, yet Twilight Princess did pretty bad in Japan. I honestly think the same is going to happen to FF13. I just don't see over million japanese gamers just suddenly buying ps3's just to play FF13. It seems that unless the game is on the Ds, Japan isn't interested.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:53PM (Unverified) said

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Retailers are probably still on their launch inventory of xbox360s.. and, wasnt there a report that said Wii was outselling PS3 6:1 in Japan? So much for that.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:05PM Cutriss said

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Actually, the initial shipment to Japan was around 200K units. This angered a lot of people in Europe and the US because during the ongoing shortages in those territories, anyone could just walk into a store in Den-Den and buy one. Some people even imported from Japan because they could get it cheaper and sooner.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 11:45PM (Unverified) said

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kon

the 6-1 wii sold started in May.. check it up! work out the maths! if u can..
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:56PM 007craft said

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Are you trying to start a flamewar in the comments with the way you wrote that article?

That just super that the ps3 sold 500 000 more then the xbox in japan. This is the same japan where you can find vending machines with used womens underwair in them and a nation obssed with anime. tenticles and school girls. Japan hardly holds the leverage it once did. Today (unlike 10 years ago) there are plenty of good western game developers and those Japanese type games arnt as popular as they once were.

Im just making this post to counter all the "I love japan" posts you will find in the comments below, cause the internet is filled with those people for some reason. Damn be proud of your own nation people.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:01PM vidguy said

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You can be proud of your own nation without being derogatory towards another.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:12PM (Unverified) said

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you are a trashy trashington
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:25PM Negativecool said

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vidguy-

Mike's opinion about how Japan's importance and innovation in gaming (beyond the Wii) being on the decline is provacative and deserves other opinions. How about you comment on the bigger picture of what he's saying, rather than dumbing it down to a few sentences and playing the politeness police---which by the way, thanks, we should all be nice.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:41PM vidguy said

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You want the long version? Ok.

Japan's culture is very different than the US, sure. There's a reason the Wii is outselling all competitors weekly and looks to remain the dominating console this generation - quirky, small, light, nice design, etc, these are things we are told the Japanese like. I'm not quite sure what vending machines and tenticles have to do with gaming culture, but whatever. The US is the land of 75% obesity and shotgun weddings, what do you want?

While the Sony brand has traditionally been strong in Japan, and a million-sold is nice for any company, it's hard to believe it took ~8 months to reach the sales mark. I don't have the resources here but it'd be interesting to see how quickly the PS2 reached that number. Don't blame it on price - it was Sony's strategy to go all out with tech and put that pricetag on their new console.

It's very true that the West can sustain itself in the gaming world, but there's something to be said about the market that is home to two of the three console makers. What is true for Japan is not true for the rest of the world, but that market can seriously affect what goes on here, whether it is consoles, game developers, or simply new ideas.

While Japanese games aren't as popular here in the US anymore, look at Japan's sales. Conversely, look at how well (rather, poorly) US-made games tend to sell in Japan. A large majority of US sales are sports or FPS games; Japan has a different market with different products. We all know what comparing apples and oranges gets us, so can we just take Japan's sales numbers for what they appear to be?
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:25PM (Unverified) said

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According to vgcharts.org, the PS2 sold approx. 3.3 million whereas the PS3 is at 1 million (launches aligned). I don't know if anything was competing against the PS2 back then, but today's numbers are piss-poor!
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:54PM vidguy said

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Woah, hello gustapo censor police!
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 4:11PM Shagittarius said

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When they naturalize all the Mexican Male illegals we will only be 55% Overweight as a nation.
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Posted: Jul 20th 2007 12:05AM vidguy said

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No comment, Negativecool? I typed that all for you ;)

Thanks for the stat, Jason. So PS2 reach 1 million much quicker, to be expected with the pricing but it shows something about the immediate success/failure of Sony's strategy.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:56PM iBubbles said

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Soon Wii will surpass 360 in global sales.
And I think you'll see a sales spike for the PS3 here.
While I went looking for a Wii yesterday [didn't find one] I also noticed that the PS3's were sold out, a first since the week it came out.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:01PM (Unverified) said

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It still has a while to go. I don't know how "soon" it'll be.

In the end, I don't know if it's going to matter to publishers who #1 is. If the 360 gets passed up, it's not going to change that they have a 5.9 attach rate. People buy up shit for the thing like crazy, which is even more surprising given the apparently common hardware issues.

Point being, I don't think it's going to affect much for the 360 in the long run. It's simply a pissing contest for Nintendo fans.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:07PM iBubbles said

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I bought a wired controller for my 360 since I didn't feel like paying for a wireless. It crapped out on me after a month.
But at least I haven't gotten the Rings of Death yet.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:57PM Cutriss said

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Hey guys - "soon" apparently was a few days ago. Media Create showed Wii at about 50K shy of 3 million from July 2nd to July 8th. Whenever the new numbers hit, it will almost *certainly* have passed 3M by the next week, July 9th to July 15th.

The Enterbrain numbers for Wii in the article state that they're from early June, so they're obviously out of date a bit.

Feel free to add more "waggle" to your correction.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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Actually the Wii was 50k units shy of the 3 million mark (with a typical 70k+ sold per week) as of July 8.

and the PS3 was 25k units shy of 1 million with 12k units sold per week as of July 8. (according to Media Create)
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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How many of those were 20GB models?
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 1:59PM (Unverified) said

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I wonder how many of the 500,000 Xboxes sold were due to 3ROD?

I own 2 360's so don't call me a fanboy. I'm just very pissed off because my 2nd 360 hasnt even returned from the repair center and last night my 1st 360 gave 3 red lights. They are both stored in 2 completely different setups so it's not "user error". Every single person I know who owns one has sent theirs back at least once too.

I'm SOOOO tempted to get a PS3,but the lack of games on it doesnt make it any better then a breaking machine like the 360.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:08PM (Unverified) said

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Speaking of machines breaking, has the PS3 had any problems in this department?

I know when it launched I heard some stories of errors and whatnot, but I haven't heard anything in a long time. That surprises me, given the bad track record the PS1 and PS2 had.

...

Shameless PS3 bash: I guess not enough people own PS3s to know if they're breaking or not...
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:20PM (Unverified) said

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I'm going to take this as "No Anam, the PS3 isn't having any technical issues."
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:01PM (Unverified) said

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Congrats Sony!

Now how about another price drop to celebrate?
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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I don't have anything against Japan, but what games are they playing on their PS3's?

Then again, PS1 and PS2 always seemed to get loads of Japan-exclusive games.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:05PM accolade said

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Xbox 360 = Genesis in terms of sales. Genesis was not a success in Japan but in the USA it soared.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:18PM CommentSystem said

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And then it died....
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:20PM hvnlysoldr said

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The Genesis then tried to technologically compete with the SNES adding horrible add-ons and forgetting all their targets.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:16PM (Unverified) said

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I honestly wish the PS3 would drop to $399. It has it's problems (just like every other system),but once the games start coming out for it I would love to jump to the PS3 over the 360. I have a Wii,but that suffers from the lack of games just as much as the PS3 does. I never cared for Nintendo first party titles and I was hoping this time around we'd have awesome 3rd party games with a whole new way to play.

Dropping the PS3 to $399 would sell systems pretty well over here in the US. The average joe blow is who made the PS2 the success it was,but now Sony completely did a 180 and is targeting the anesthesiologists who can afford a 52 inch plasma tv and a $599 "gaming" system.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:24PM (Unverified) said

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A PS3 drop to around $400 or less would make it a definite buy for me.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:28PM radicoon said

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But last time I checked, the name of the game was to not go bankrupt =)
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:25PM (Unverified) said

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Sony sold 940,000 PS2s in the first *3 days* of sales in Japan. Sony sold 975,000 PS3s in the first *240 days* of sales in Japan. Uh... yeah.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:26PM sand0789 said

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The 360 is still outselling the PS3 worldwide, despite weak sales in Japan. I think when things really get rolling, the PS3 will be the hotspot for Japanese type games and the 360 will be for Western type games. The Wii is just for Wii games, I guess. I just haven't seen much that appeals to the hardcore there.

None of this should be very surprising. You can't understand what the Japanese like. I don't even think they do. Look at the best selling PS3 games in Japan and you want to burp milk out of your nose and scream wtf.

Japanese gaming is going DS/Wii in a big way. They want cute. As long as the 360 can continue to release quality Western oriented games at the rate they are, and have Fall seasons like this year's, I will be one happy camper and may not need the PS3.

Do I want to play Heavenly Sword? Sure I do. Will I miss it when I have Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo3, Lost Odyssey, and others to get through? I doubt it. Do I give a shit about any of the games on this week's "Japanese best seller list", hell no.

Every single game on the list is something that I do not want to play. I like FF, MGS, and that is about it these days. I don't count Mario as Japanese, though, for some damn reason. That is somethin we both agree on as being good.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:57PM cc123 said

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"The 360 is still outselling the PS3 worldwide, despite weak sales in Japan."

What makes you say that...are you just assuming this based on US numbers?

The only concrete numbers we have are for Japan and NA and when you sum those two it puts the PS3 slightly behind. All the PS3 needs to do is slightly outsell the 360 in PAL land and they would be even.

And from the numbers we occasionally get access to it would be safe to say they are equal or the PS3 is slightly ahead in Europe for weekly sales.

I think right now they are either equal WW or they are so close that it doesn't really matter.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:33PM (Unverified) said

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All kinds of numbers are available at vgcharts.org
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php
360 is around 10 million, Wii is not far off and PS3 is around 4 million.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:36PM (Unverified) said

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It's shameful that Japanese gamers thought PS3 is a better console in the brief amount of time than 360. I'm sorry but 360 has a kick ass line up, and this just shows out OUT OF TOUCH japan is with the rest of the world.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:39PM megapenguinx said

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PS3 is finally gaining speed.
Sounds good.
Competition is good.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2007 7:01PM (Unverified) said

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All I want the PS3 for is MGS4, but that's it.

Congratulations Sony.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:51PM (Unverified) said

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The thing against 360 in Japan is this:

As you can tell by American cars vs Japanese cars, the Japanese care about quality and long term survivability of the product.

The 360 is the opposite of this.

Case in point.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:37PM Vidikron said

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You have one major flaw in that argument. The original Xbox didn't have nearly the problems the 360 does. There was an early problem with some of the Thomson drives getting DDEs, but they were just one of 3 DVD drives being used and that problem was ironed out fairly quickly. The PS2, on the other hand, had constant issues with dead drives throughout the whole of its life cycle. Yet, the PS2 utterly destroyed all comers in Japan and elsewhere. The problem in Japan for MS goes much deeper than build quality.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:53PM Triforceowner said

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Xbox will get half a million this gen? I'm doubting that to be frank. Average is 3,500 a weak. Every now and than something will boost the sales, so the average might be 6,000 a weak in general? 6,000*50*5=150,000-ish?
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 9:04PM teejaykay said

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Um, try 1,500,000-ish. Although, to be fair, the numbers you used are ridiculously optimistic.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:59PM (Unverified) said

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The beginning of the PS3 finally gaining traction will be the the day it hits $400...
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 2:59PM SpartacusMagnus said

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Gotta agree with both Evan and Jake here.

Even though the PS3 is outselling the 360 in Japan, sales are still extremely underwhelming. Globally the 360 is still selling better and that doesn't look to change anytime soon.

Also remember that Japan is a fairly small market and is becoming more niche every year. I respect cultural differences, but I as an American gamer, have absolutely no desire to adopt a more Japanese taste for games OR hardware. Japan is the odd ball in the gaming world. Western games make up a much larger portion of the industry and therefore MS could be successful with the 360 even if it fails miserably in Japan. Sony however depends on Japanese sales much more, so these lackluster numbers should be making them a bit nervous. Though I'm sure publicly they'll just spew that "10 year life cycle" line around with a smile and two thumbs up...

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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:03PM (Unverified) said

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long live PlayStation!
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:07PM Starcade said

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I'm sure Sony sales will improve, but I don't see them sustaining increased sales at their current price point. It's not like Sony didn't already offer this price point once before. They did, and Sony themselves said the higher end unit greatly out sold the cheaper unit.

To achieve mass adoption, the PS3 needs to be permanently at a much lower price than where it's currently being offered. The PS3 should have started at $399 and become cheaper in a couple of years. Above $400 for a game system, and you're looking at more a hardcore customer.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:09PM (Unverified) said

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"Speaking of machines breaking, has the PS3 had any problems in this department?"

I'm sure there are defective units out there like anything else. But it definitely does not have "multiple design issues" (MS's own words) like the Xbox 360 does. There's nothing systemic, and I haven't really seen any large scale reports of problems.

I bought a PS3 last week due to the "clearance sale" on 60GB models and it at least feels like a really well designed system. Very quiet most of the time (even quieter than the original PS2 at full bore), solidly built although the finish is not really to my liking, internal power supply (no brick), not really a huge amount of heat coming out even during heavy gameplay. It seems really well engineered. I've seen photos of the innards as well, and you know it has a massive ducted heatsink and fan.

btw, people who comment about how Sony sold 940,000 or whatever PS2's in 3 days in Japan seem to forget that they only sold around 250,000 the entire rest of that first year (partly due to supply problems, but then due to a perceived lack of games). So the PS3 is really only behind by about that many units - or about 25%. Yeah, it's off the pace, but not by nearly as much as you think.

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Posted: Jul 19th 2007 3:12PM (Unverified) said

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Go Playstation!!!! : D

And those crazy Japanese go ga-ga over train simulators, how different they are from us and yet some loser wapanese always have to kiss the ground they walk on.
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