Sony says they're giving Epic more PS3 support

by Alexander Sliwinski on Jul 23rd 2007 10:27AM

For those who haven't caught on yet, there seem to be some issues with the Unreal Engine 3 and the PS3, resulting in delays for some games and ~~cancellations~~ postponements for others. Sony's Phil Harrison says in a Game Informer interview they didn't do enough initially to support Epic in making the UE3 -- which runs the timed exclusive Unreal Tournament 3 -- run properly with the PlayStation 3. He says Epic "isn't a huge company" and that they've "parachuted in some our [their] SWAT team of super engineers to help them." Harrison says this will increase the performance of the engine on the PS3 and gamers will take notice.

Although not a red flag for casual observers, when Sony announced during their press conference that they would be putting more support behind the Unreal Engine 3, it showed a passive acknowledgment of an issue. What that issue is -- well, that's up to the lawyers to decide at this point. The lawsuit by Silicon Knights against Epic showed that the UE3 problems weren't just PS3 based, but Xbox developers are having similar issues too. Microsoft currently has "no comment" on the situation. The UE3 ~~problem~~ issue is something nobody wants to talk about, but could be one deep rabbit hole.

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Tags: dyack, epic, harrison, rein, sony, too human, ut3

Reader Comments (75)

My believe is that the Unreal Engine 3 can run better on the 360, because it have more memory than the PS3.

PS3 is putting a lot of money on the UE3 just to make the engine run properly... thats not a good thing. But Gears of War runs perfectly on my 360.

But the most probable is that the problem is in the engine, and not in the hardware.

UE3 already runs properly on PS3. Look at Rainbow Six: Vegas. They're just putting similar resources into the PS3 version of the engine now, so that games will be up to par with their 360 counterparts.

Xbox 360....512 MB of RAM unified
PS3....256 MB Sound......256 Video..

How does the 360 have more?

Mark Rein already stated that UT3 is running better than Gears was at this point in development. See link below. I think the problem is that everyone is utilizing the engine but they haven't made it developer friendly and just haven't told developers how to resolve problems when they arise.

http://digg.com/playstation_3/UT3_Running_Better_on_Playstation_3_Than_Gears_of_War_Last_Year_on_the_Xbox

Why bother? is Fernando Rocker =/

"UE3 already runs properly on PS3. Look at Rainbow Six: Vegas."
Bad example. Its already been pointed out (see Aug.07 Game Informer pg 94) that RS:V looks far better on 360. They said "Environments are noticably muddier and jaggier, as if Ubisoft forgot to use anti-aliasing...the game also skimps on environmental effects."

Not THAT MUCH more memory - betteer menagement.
Less used by system - only 32MB from 512+10MB in X360 are used by syste.
PS3 now uses 82 MB (IIRC).
AND You can allocate 512MB as you wish - no strict 256/256 split.

***AND of course everybody already knows that GPU in PS3 is only slightly upgraded midrange GF7600GT taken from PC at the last moment when it came to light that projected 2xCell PS3 with no GPU would mighty su*** compared to X360.
128bit 8ROP 500Mhz 256MB DDR3.
Only pixel shaders were doubled from 12 to 24.

Thats why custom built GPU in X360 being newer technology (nearly DX10 card) beats it in most cases.***

It runs perfectly when your 360 is not Red ringing right? Aswipe, Mark Rein has said that the PS3 build of UT3 is running better than the GoW build of the same timeframe on the 360.

not more, but "better ram"

@Anonim

"AND of course everybody already knows that GPU in PS3 is only slightly upgraded midrange GF7600GT taken from PC at the last moment when it came to light that projected 2xCell PS3 with no GPU would mighty su*** compared to X360."

Everybody does?? Thats strange since they haven't released all the specs and the developers would lose their jobs if they were found confirming anything. The information available right now is a bunch of assumptions based on a few tiny bits of actual info that was released. Right now RSX is assumed to be a highly modified G70 part. It's not something you grab at the last moment like you said.

Also I'm pretty sure the 2xCell thing was just a rumor that got debunked already.

OFFICIAL presentations.
***SDK leaks***
Unofficial confirmations by developers
etc. etc.

So yes everybody KNOWS.
The specs of RSX are widely known. And unfortunetely for PS3 subpar to GPU in X360.

That it isn't *official* doesn't make it UNTRUE....

@Anonim

Saying the RSX is :"only slightly upgraded midrange GF7600GT taken from PC at the last moment"

is a HUGE ASSUMPTION.

Except you are completely wrong.

Mark Rein:
UT3 runs better on the PS3 than Gears Of War did on the X360.

el tonot

The 360 has 512MB that can be used in whatever way they need it. The PS3 only has 256MB available for video.

The PS3 has 256 video ram and 256 xdr ram. The gpu can use both pools of ram.

You should probably use a better source than teamxbox.com for your PS3 info.

cc123:

But using the second pool is so slow as to be nearly unusable, and you have to use cell resources to be able to even acecss the memory at all.

@Ordeith

Again please stop using teamxbox.com for your PS3 info.

When the GPU accesses the xdr ram it is very fast.

You may be referring to the Cell accessing video ram which is slow but it doesn't really matter since thats something that doesn't get used.

Everyone forgets that the RSX is designed to work with the cell making the graphics power of the PS3 scalable. Dev's are not limited to the capabilities of RSX alone. That is why there are bad ports to the PS3. It's more lazy devs than a hardware limitation.

You are wrong about the RAM too. The PS3 has 256MB of GDDR3(360 has 512) VRAM and 256MB of XDR which almost 3 times faster that GDDR3 and can be used for video.

This year we will have great PS3 games. Next year, we will see amazing PS3 games when the Sony and the devs really start taking advantage of the hardware. What we see now is less than half of what the machine is capable of.

@Noshino

=(

Buck up man. I still read all your posts.

MS actually did mention they were working to some degree with Epic for the Unreal Engine 3 on the 360 during the conference. Although I can't remember exactly what it was about.

JUST WOW...

So Is there Any Reason to Own a POS3?
Maybe for a BR-Player...

I dunno but there is NOTHING that looks interesting on the POS3...
360 has the best line up, Followed by the Wii..
I see alot Wii games that look better...

So Again, I ask myself $600 for what..... Obviously it's NOT a REAL Gaming Machine, Maybe just a Good Folding Machine...

Hmmmm......

you're an ass. Anyone that still uses "POS3" really needs to be castrated by a feral squirrel.

But it is a piece of shit...

Nothing wrong with saying an opinion. Its just ilke you fony fans continue to use "waggle" and other idiotic terms when talking about the Wii.

err...the Wii IS a waggle, the fact that you JonnyBoy2U don't understand it or know anything about it doesn't make it a POS

Great news. Anything to make this Engine run smoother. Its seems with the popularity of Gears, the Unreal Engine 3 will be getting a lot of use this generation. Im all for the ps3 games looking the best they can look.

Who cares about either one. I'll be playing this on PC.

"***AND of course everybody already knows that GPU in PS3 is only slightly upgraded midrange GF7600GT taken from PC at the last moment when it came to light that projected 2xCell PS3 with no GPU would mighty su*** compared to X360."

I do not know where this "fact" came from but it is bullshit. Nvidia and Sony announced a partnership to design the graphics chip for the PS3 in EARLY 2003. How is that at the last minute? Nvidia decided to go with the PS3 and not the Xenon at the same time. They were not making any money with Xbox.

"The PS3 only has 256MB available for video"

No, the developers can access the other 256 of ram for video if they wish. Damn, where do you Xbots get your info...the Inquirer?

No jackass it is $500 for a PS3. The $600 model is not even on sale yet.
I wonder how many people agree with you that the PS3 has no games coming in the Mythmass lineup worth playing. I will not list them, that is pointless. If you think the Wii has a better lineup than the PS3 this fall then that is your opinion, one I do not share. Xbox has Halo3 and what? Mass Effect I bet will be delayed till 2008.

The ps3 has been $500 for like a nano second when compared to how long its been $600.

Plus we know the price is going back up as soon as sony "runs out" of the 60G version.

How long that will take is anyones guess. Hopefully a long time.

And you know damn well that the 360 has more than Halo 3 and Mass Effect coming out this fall and winter.

Its fine that you believe that sony has this so called awesome lineup of games this fall. But I think most people already know that the Wii and 360 surpass it by far.

"Plus we know the price is going back up as soon as sony "runs out" of the 60G version."

It's pretty obvious that the 80gig PS3 will drop to the $499 price point once the 60gig version "runs out". So the price is not going back up. It has not been officially announced because then everyone would just wait.

@ GodisaMyth

Xbox has Halo3 and what? Mass Effect I bet will be delayed till 2008.

Umm... Try this.... Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, GTA4(with exclusive content & 360 build showcased), Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, PGR4, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, COD4 (Shown on 360 build), Splinter Cell Conviction, Orange Box, Mercenaries. And that's not even including sports titles. I may also have missed some by Lucas Arts (The Force Unleashed and LEGO Star Wars the Complete Saga). What does POS3 have again coming this fall that's so great??

"What does POS3 have again coming this fall that's so great??"

I knowthe answer, I know the answer... nothing!

PS3: Fall Lineup

Lair - 8/14
Warhawk 8/28
Heavenly Sword - 9/4
Eye of Judgement - 10/1
Orange Box - 10/9
GTA IV - 10/16
Sing Star 10/30
Assassin's Creed 11/1
Uncharted Drake's Fortune 11/1
UT3 - 11/1
COD4 - 11/5
Mecenaries - 11/6
Army of Two - 11/13
Haze - 11/20
RockBand 11/20
Time Crisis 4 - 11/20
Eyedentify - 12/1
Final Fantasy XIII - 12/1
GranTurismo HD - 12/1
Tekken 6 - 12/1

No doubt a lot of those will move...but no doubt some of the Xbox games/versions will slip as well.

See Rocker this is why Noshino made that comment and why we can't take you seriously.

Why list mult-platform titles. I was refering to exclusives only.

If you like the 360 lineup better, fine. I don't which is also fine.
I also like to not have to worry about turning on my system and hoping that it does not take a GIANT shit on me.

Again I am not going to list the PS3 exclusive lineup because most already know what stellar games are going to hit this fall as either full games or downloadable demos.

Fernando, oh...nevermind, I have decided that you are not worth a reply anymore.

"Your right Jonnyboy2u. It needs to have at least a 33% fail rate not to be classified as a POS."

right on, right on...

Like half of that are on the 360...

And FF, Tekken, AND GT are coming on 12/1?

If thats true then its news to me.

As for the sony exclusives none have me interested other than LilBig.

I'm not the one who started listing multiplatform releases, I just did so cause the original poster did.

And pretty much anything listed for the first of the month is not a real date, but those are the most current dates that are out there right now on ebgames.

Nothing ever moves up on ebgames but things often move back.

Are you a fucking idiot? Most of the games you've listed are multi-plat.

@JonnyBoy2U

But it is a piece of shit...Its just ilke you fony fans

So, is this the mysterious stranger masquerading as you again, or is this your own trash talk? I have trouble telling the difference.

PS Phony works better as an insult pun

Your right Jonnyboy2u. It needs to have at least a 33% fail rate not to be classified as a POS.

Is that really the best you sony trolls can do?

Everytime someone points out a negative on the pos3 you automically bring in RRoD into EVERY thread.

I've said it b4 and I'll say it again. A;; consoles have issues. Theres no console that can claim that one of their units hasn't failed. MS is relatively new to the console making business. And they made a mistake. They're working on it. And they've addressed the problem.

And in all honesty the ps3 is a pos because of all the crap it has it. I call it shit because its a machine that just happens to play games. And it only has a few worthwhile games at that. And none coming out in the future that I think are worth the hype or crazy you sony fanboys want to give it.

Besides FFXIII and MGS4 I don't see any game thats makes the ps3 a great product or worth the price. And even then I'm not spending $600 just to play FFXIII.

Heh, there are many criticisms that are true about the PS3 Phranctoast, but you're right, at least rampant hardware failure is not one of them. I think the greatest problem I've dealt with so far is a stuck button on the controller.

But I believe the good Jonny is a Wii fan, and so is immune from that line of attack.

I would go as far to say that I would own a 360. If it was more reliable (everyone knows someome who had one break.) and if all the games I wanted for it were not available on either the ps3 or the pc.

@JonnyBoy2U

"Everytime someone points out a negative on the pos3 you automically bring in RRoD into EVERY thread."

Perhaps we should go with disc scratching then.

"MS is relatively new to the console making business."

They made a console before without such a massive failure rate.

"And none coming out in the future that I think are worth the hype or crazy you sony fanboys want to give it. "

I think the same thing about the Wii, but I can accept that some people love playing Zelda MCMXVII and Mario super-duper-uber-rubber-smash-dance-dance-revolution.
You have elevate your hate to a religous crusade.

I think it just the fact that programming for a multi core device is hard enough when the cores are all the same speed, the PS3 on the other hand has multiple cores that run at different speeds.

Fernando. noone asked your IQ or what you have down your pants. PS3 like the 360 has plenty of good games coming out this fall/winter.

Oh this is the real me. Not Curmeo.

And if you can't tell the difference thats just another sign of how dumb you are.

"And if you can't tell the difference thats just another sign of how dumb you are."

Actually, you and your kind on the internet have a positive gift for making me feel smart. Certainly you help me resist using bad insults like WiiTard, Fony, or Xbot. Because I ask myself, do I really want to be like JonnyBoy2U? You make me a better person. Thank you.

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