Bizarre confirms PGR4's cities, comments on DVD constraints

I love how this quote is purposely cut off before the sentence right after it stating that they found a way around it.

Lets see how this will turn into a flame war, thats right I said it.

Love how every other place lists the city name and country except for "Quebec, Canada". Thanks. >.>

If only there was some sort of larger storage medium, but it's a good thing all of us here on Joystiq are against that type of crazy talk.

Now I wonder how many people will jump in claiming either no necessity for BluRay or evidence of it's need. Of course, rfom is almost a garauntee.

I wonder if the Shanghai, China city will feature the next tallest building in the world, the Shanghai Business Center... even if it ain't finished yet.

should be future proof, no?

Well well well...and Microsoft said that DVD was plenty of space for the 360.

This is coming from a Microsoft published game. Priceless, simply priceless. I wonder, what else tied the developers hands aside from more tracks due to the lack of a Hdd and DVD.

Hey, is this not another lie by Microsort?

They said that DVD space would not be an issue yet here we are less than 2 years into the 360's lifecycle and WALA....ding ding ding....you have a 1st party developer complaining about SPACE.

FLAME ON....XBOTS...SPIN THIS ONE!!!!!!

is that supposed to be Quebec City, Canada????

Oh shi-, hit the deck!!!! 100 post thread coming through!!

I don't get why day and night racing is a draw for some gamers. Even all the way back the first game that incorporated it, "Enduro" on the 2600 (at least I think it was the first), the night parts weren't any more challenging than the day time drive. I always thought weather effects were cooler and made for a more challenging race than day or night effects.

Of course the DVD size is going to be a constraint. DVD is getting to be an old format; just like floppies, CDs, and other methods before them, their size is becoming a problem. Mark my words that in a handful of years (by 2016, I'd imagine) BluRay or similar storage will present constraints of its own.

However, this points more to the fact that developers shouldn't be taking the easy/normal way out anymore. Instead of designing a new texture for every period of the day, develop a method for the environment to be dynamic and to change based on attributes that can be arbitrarily set. This would be similar to the varied lighting talked about in the last paragraph.

This will be where video games truly take off. Artificial intelligence is created through lists and decision trees, not programming every decision. Animations shouldn't have to be programmed, either; once a strong enough physics engine is developed, the rules are put in place and the rest does its own work. See the HalfLife2 engine for evidence of that.

Instead of developing '200 new animations!' for next year's Madden, develop proper collision detection and apply proper inertia and momentum to the bodies and let it happen realistically.

Of course, this all requires processing power, so there's going to be a bottleneck somewhere. And spanning multiple discs isn't a solution for some games. Next-generation (~2011-2012) a high density format will be a must. For now, there are workarounds that could possibly lead to the next step in videogames.

This article is made for a console comparison - it has nothing to do with fanboyism. The two consoles differentiated themselves on the need or lack thereof of HD media. Microsoft obviously saying it wasn't needed.

I think it's quite obvious to most people that Sony had it right there. And before the fanboys grab ahold of the post, I'm not saying everything Sony has done was right. They've got the hardware to enable great software, but that great software doesn't exist at the moment. Sony has an advantage if XBOX360 developers are struggling with Microsoft's hardware. If Microsoft allowed HDDVD games, it would put them well ahead in enabling developers for this console war.

I'm sorry...did you just seriously say "wala" when you meant "voila?" Now that's pathetically priceless.

Gah, sorry, that didn't reply in the right place. Damn you, new site design!

...they will probably put this content in, in a dlc...
anyway here come the ps3 fanboys... this is probably the highlight of their day.

Another thing, the level to which a high-density format is NEEDED should be judged by how many games are constrained in the end by normal storage. If as much as 10% of the 360's final library could have used extra storage, does that justify $200+ more for the system from the get-go?

I don't think so. High-density storage will be needed when most games (50%+) can't fit on normal storage, likely next generation.

Look at it this way. DVD was on the fringes of being finalized when the original Playstation came out. What if it was completed before the Playstation was built - about 12-18 months earlier? Would it have been smart to put DVD in the PS? After all, there were multiple Playstation games that didn't fit on CD. But, that would have made the PS several hundred dollars more than it was and probably would have doomed it from the start. DVD fit in the PS2 because it was cheaper and ready for the mass-market and because the MAJORITY of games required that amount of storage.

Even though they've found a way to sort of get around the issue, it's basically there in black and white; the developers were limited in what they could accomplish due entirely to storage constraints.

one word: two.

that's how many discs you need to make this a non-issue.

godisamyth why spin....no matter how much space blu-ray can hold...PGR4 will never come too ps3 anyways troll...

That's kind of weird, I didn't know you needed all new textures for different times of day. I figured you move or change the light source and the engine takes care of shadows, color overlays, etc.

wait, so because they can't put in the tracks from the *previous game* in more than one time of day, that's reason to say that the storage medium isn't good enough?

most games don't even include content from the previous game!!

"oh no, we can't put 2 games in one, the format is doomed!!!"