Best Buy Xbox bundle for $399 and HD DVD for $150

Agreed, that doesn't make much sense. Either the actual cost of the bundle is $350, or there are other pieces to the bundle.

And unfortunately, $150 is still too much for me to pick up an HD-DVD player. Nobody likes to pay for a format loser.

Because Table Tennis is a horrible game

Table Tennis is way better than Top Spin 2. And $150 for the HD DVD add on and 6 free HD DVD movies is a no brainer.

Dont have a problem buying a cheap HD DVD player because the winning format future drives are bound to play the losing format eventually anyway now that there are drives around that read both.

In two years time you'll get dead cheap chinease drives that will play any HD format.

both formats lose, why buy an overpriced disc when i can download it digitally

I don't see why people keep saying you NEED a wi-fi adapter for anything. The PSN downloads are slow enough anyway that I'm going to have to wire my PS3 when I get one...and don't even get me started on the Wii-Connect. Now why would I want to fuck up my XBL transfer rates with a wireless adapter? Face it, as inconvenient as it may be, wired is still the best current option for console gaming.

You should probably at least try it before saying how bad the transfer rate is. I used wired connection and the wifi adapter and noticed no difference at all. Downloads move quick, no frequent drops or lag online. The adapter works extremely well, and for the price it damn well better. But I agree it isn't necessary like the SDF try to argue.

My friend has a wi-fi adapter, and the same ISP as I do, so I have tried it in a similar setting. My wired connection is a champ compared to that one.

On top of that, I've had nothing but trouble trying to hook up my Wii via wi-fi...almost to the point where I'm ready to just buy their ethernet adapter and run another CAT-5 up there. I don't doubt that in the future wireless will rule the roost, but at this point it just hasn't proven itself to me.

I've found the experience with wi-fi varies significantly with what wireless router you have. My old WRTP54G's wi-fi didn't even work well enough for internet browsing a lot of the time, much less gaming. The WRT54GL I have now is much more solid, but I still have my PS3 wired since it's right next to the router.

I dunno about that. Two optical drives means less wear and tear on the main drive for game playing. Sounds alright to me.

Price drops, like any move you ever make as a business, are designed to make you more money. Selling more at a lower price can equal more $$$ than selling less at a higher price. They need to teach you kiddies Business 101, Statistics, and Political Science 101 in high school, required. I'm so damn sick of 90% of our population being tarded when it comes to anything that has to do with the world.

Because you want to play something other than MGS4 next year?

Because people like to have games worth playing.

games that also arent on the pc?

Yeah well, phranc...in case you haven't noticed, most of the people on here use their PCs (myself included) to bitch about shit on the internet, not play games. So yeah, while some of those 360 games are on PC too, most of us would rather play them on our couches, on our big ass HD-TVs, than sitting a foot and a half away from the same kind of monitors we've been doing our work on all damn day.

Sorry, 360/GFW still counts as 360 exclusive. Troll elsewhere.

Blu ray hasn't won yet... and honestly it is possible they both could survive long enough to be killed by DL content.

Cd's still exist, and people are buying them. If cd's still exist and havent been phased out by DLC, what makes you think data on 30-50 gig HD discs will be phased out by DLC so quickly.

I never said quickly but they are so similar to the past format that the transition is going to take time... People still insist on purchasing full screen versions of things and are having trouble seeing the point to these new formats... Point being that by the time the transition takes hold chances are that DL content is probably going to be considerably more prominent. TiVo and amazon have their thing. There is on demand which is growing. Xbox marketplace, PS3 will probably do that too. iTunes store... Just saying.

Well I don't think Blu-Ray will replace movies all together. I seriously don't see DVD's being phased out for another decade. But as far as HD and Blu-Ray go, I think the winner has already been decided.

Cause we all know that "techies" tend to shop at Walmart, right?

Incidentally, a good portion of the A/V tech blogs and forum members tend to lean toward HDDVD over BR as far as visual fidelity goes...but we know it'll all come down to brand recognition and word of mouth advertising in the end anyway, just like VHS back in the day.

Target is not Blu-Ray only, Sony bought an end cap.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/28/false-alarm-targets-not-giving-up-on-hd-dvd/

Blockbuster is not Blu-Ray only, they will carry Blu-Ray in stores but HD DVD is available online and in some of their bigger stores.

"Blockbuster has decided to stock only Blu-ray discs in the vast majority of its nationwide locations, although HD DVD titles will continue to be offered online and in the 250 (out of 1,450) stores..."

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/17/blockbuster-chooses-blu-ray-is-the-war-over/

No one has won yet, most likely no one will. Toshiba tried to get Sony to agree to a standard using Blu-Ray discs and the Toshiba software but Sony wouldn't have it. Sony and Toshiba are throwing money at this problem hoping to come out on top but neither has the kind of money or power to force the decision. I'll admit HDDVD seems to have taken a hit lately but saying that Toshiba is going to lay down and say you win is the equivalent of saying that an NFL team has lost 2 games in a row so they are going to quit in the middle of the season and disband the orginization. It will take a couple years of Blu-ray truly dominating the market (they really honestly aren't even in the neighborhood of "domination" at this point) for Toshiba to pull the plug. This will be a long drawn out battle that will only be won by the companies that produce HDDVD/Blu-Ray 2 in 1 players.

Downloadable content at 1080p/i is a long way off. Though in 5-10 years it will probably be the thing that does kill these 2 formats.

So please for the sanity of the world can we all just decide that the best thing that could happen is all movies come out format neutral and let the customers actually decide.

But that would be like politicians doing what's best for the people and not for themselves and their corporate sponsors... it's just not going to happen.

bigger isn't always better.

How's the 300's PiP pre-post-production special feature on your superior format? Oh...

I believe "Do the math" was the Atari Jaguar's campaign slogan...

Gotta pick your talking points wisely ; )

Eventually, there will be a game to play on the PS3. Eventually? Right? I mean maybe something good will show up...Xbox 360 is almost two years old and it still lacks a good game though. Sheesh, when did games begin to suck so bad?